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04:00
@ThePhD Well, specifically there is very few jobs or work in the humanities other than teaching or academia.
And... that's how most writers get paid. Whether it's writing lore and helping designers for video games or putting out books or working in the news side of things, you're pretty much just looking for anyone who needs a pen and who's too lazy/busy to do it themselves (unless that person is you, in which case you can't be lazy).
user406009
@ThePhD Yes, but they are called starving artists for a reason.
user406009
That sort of work is unreliable and usually low paid.
vOv
They're starving because its low-paid and unreliable, unless you write an amazing fantasy novel.
@jaggedSpire >.> The catface wasn't necessary, y'know.
user406009
@ThePhD I would rather buy lottery tickets.
04:02
@ThePhD lies
@jaggedSpire Truth!
@ThePhD :3
Oh god not the face sob
how are you still traumatized?
how can I help?
Nobody gets used to The Faceā„¢.
04:05
I did...
user406009
@jaggedSpire Clearly we need eye bleach in form of animal photos.
@jaggedSpire Because you succumbed to the darkness.
You let them have your soul.
@ThePhD because a good soul is quite tasty if you know how to prepare it
curried soul with some paneer...
I was curious to see what they did with it. Can you blame me?
@ThePhD but the darkness is tasty and made of chocolate
Guys I have a question for you all
If you are going 80 mph, how long will it take for you to go 80 miles?
0.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999‌​999999...... miles
04:10
What?
@AngryShoe an hour, genius.
you should remember this from that vid you posted a while back :P
Thank you for ruining it for ThePhd
user406009
@AngryShoe That depends, is Bartek driving?
you're welcome
@Lalaland lol
Hmmm
@Lalaland Yes
04:14
angrySpire has a certain charm, as does angryFractal
user406009
@AngryShoe Then it will take 5 years once you take into account the constant accidents and necessary repairs.
user406009
@jaggedSpire Are we all going "Angry" now?
@Lalaland it appears to be a trend
user406009
I could probably change my name to: "AngryLand"
or AngryBird
04:17
@Lalaland and here I thought you were going to go with "30 minutes"
user406009
@jaggedSpire Yeah, my bad. That would have probably been the better joke.
@Lalaland ah, well
user406009
I guess the "drop out of school, become a stand up comedian" plan would not be the best idea.
I think it's a language thing
It's weird that every european gets it and americans don't
For them "miles per hour" is probably parsed as "speed".
So they never think about the actual meaning
probably most aren't used to the units making sense without actual math
user406009
04:20
Well, in American English, "how long" also means time.
Yes, in the question it also means time
user406009
What's the joke then?
@Lalaland If you are going 80 mph, how long will it take for you to go 80 miles?
user406009
@AngryShoe 1 hour?
user406009
04:22
If you are going 80 miles per hour, then it will take 1 hour to reach 80 miles.
Yes, but why?
Hello
user406009
Because it's the definition of miles per hour.
user406009
@haris Welcome!
Guys, I have a question about cybersecurity.
user406009
04:23
@haris Sure.
Will knowing web development help me in cybersecurity?
3
That's the original video that sparked the question
user406009
@haris What exactly do you mean by "cybersecurity"?
@haris Yes
04:24
Sorry about misspelling
user406009
@haris It's a pretty broad topic with a lot of various subcomponents.
user406009
There's encryption.
I want to go into network protection
@Lalaland No there's not.
user406009
There's other junk like SQL injection.
04:24
It's going to be banned soon, no point in learning it
user406009
There's stuff like memory exploits, etc, etc.
So, if you want to do security for webdev, doing webdev will help
can I have an upvote?
Mikhail, u have credibility because of Russian hackers
Also because of my degree in biomedical imaging
@Lalaland Never got how that worked.
04:27
I am going to take Networking course and Network Security course, and a bunch of CS courses on software engineering and databases. I am teaching myself web development right now. How can I tell employers to give me an internship for the summer in network security when I have yet to take those courses next semester
Please help!!
lol
Stop it Cicada
Also, since in CS we mainly learn about CS topics like algorithms, ai, etc., is security primed toward CIS majors?
@haris By talking about interesting projects, when people talk about their courses they look like fucking loosers. When I was their age it was about Fast Cars, Loose Women, and Hard Drugs.
user406009
Companies do internships in network security? That doesn't make any sense at all.
lol my resume solely consists of courses....
user406009
04:29
A network security intern would be pretty much useless.
user406009
@haris Look for a more normal internship.
I found some internships on it security intern
user406009
That would be my advice.
Lalaland thank u for advice
Which field has the most internships?(in your opinon obv)
fucking CS
04:30
Seriously, for the good of an already fragile "security", don't take a job in network security
opinion
user406009
@haris Just look at the websites for the largest companies in your area.
I'm more and more convinced that "hacking" is pretty much like shooting on the red cross.
Companies near me are hiring for web devs and systems engineering both of which ican do but is different from IT security, so how will this exp help me get a job in security?
You can do web dev?
04:32
Yea im teaching myself webdev from a textbook
I read chapter on networking for this text and this got me interested in network security
So you read a textbook and now you "can do web dev"?
What's the textbook?
user406009
@haris If you are actually interested in network security, I would recommend reading about encryption/authentication as well as the most common types of exploits.
user406009
Lists like owasp.org/index.php/Top_10_2013-Top_10 would probably be a decent start.
Randy COnnollyfundamentals of web dev
fact, don't trust the sbox
user406009
04:34
@haris You could also read up descriptions of the latest and greatest exploits that have been found.
Lalaland, ok i iwll remove web dev as a course for next semester and take an applied cryptography course instead
> The book guides students through the creation of enterprise-quality websites using current development frameworks, its comprehensive coverage of a modern internet development platform includes HTML5, CSS3, Javascript, and the LAMP stack (that is, Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP). Other important technologies covered include jQuery, XML, WordPress, Bootstrap, and a variety of third-party APIs that include Facebook, Twitter, and Google and Bing Maps.
lol
user406009
The problem is that "cybersecurity" is a really broad topic.
> Year: 2014
I don't have any cs projects. I was learning web dev to show employers my initiative by making a basic website. How can I show employers interest in it security without related side projects?
user406009
04:36
On one hand you have lower level attacks like heartbleed.com
More like 2008, imarite?
2015 text
user406009
On another, you have high level mistakes like blog.codeclimate.com/blog/2013/01/10/…
i torrented it
user406009
And you also have more theoretical encryption stuff.
04:37
I hope you don't get a job in web security before you at least take your CS degree honestly
Lalaland what domain deals with network security?
Like you can do web dev or any other stuff, but please let go of security
I see most jobs require CISSP
user406009
@haris If you are interesting in practicing those types of attacks/whatever, you might want to look into CTF (or capture the flag) challenges.
Ive seen those. thanks
user406009
04:38
Stuff like microcorruption.com is a good example.
So i should complete those and write about them in resume?
thanks
Actually, I would just work on cool C++ projects because nobody expects you to have domain expertise when you are a 2nd year student
I am a junior
entering second semester
I am also math minor
if that helps
04:39
Do you know what the s-box is?
no
Then it doesn't!
user406009
> PHP
@Lalaland Those are fun.
user406009
@user3886129 A big one, starfighters.io just got released.
user406009
04:41
It is made by the same awesome team which did microcorruption.
@Lalaland Whoa.
Anyone have exp with getting clearance? i see a lot of security jobs require that
user406009
@Mikhail Now you have just made me curious. What is an s-box?
In this case its the box used in AES
The Rijndael S-box is a matrix (square array of numbers) used in the Rijndael cipher, which the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) cryptographic algorithm was based on. The S-box (substitution box) serves as a lookup table. == Forward S-boxEdit == The S-box is generated by determining the multiplicative inverse for a given number in GF(28) = GF(2)[x]/(x8 + x4 + x3 + x + 1), Rijndael's finite field. Zero, which has no inverse, is mapped to zero. The multiplicative inverse is then transformed using the following affine transformation: where [x0, ..., x7] is the multiplicative inverse as a vector...
There are people believe that the current box is compromised letting folks like the NSA effortlessly read your documents.
user406009
@user3886129 Wait, I swear it was up.
user406009
04:43
Maybe I gave you the wrong link?
I feel like using linear algebra and matrix transformations will come in handy with this
user406009
Wait a sec.
lol, its like fucking listening to kids telling me how they think multiplication is important
i meant real number space transformation
r to r transformation'
user406009
@user3886129 stockfighter.io
user406009
04:45
You know, if you name your company StarFighter, and your product StockFighter, you are just begging for confusion.
user406009
I mean, come on.
user406009
@Mikhail Nah, I thought we were pretty confident about AES.
user406009
It was some other algorithm that people thought the NSA backdoored.
@Lalaland Thats what you think!
user406009
I think it was this one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG
04:47
Guys am i wrong to suspect that many of the cracked software available on russian tracker sites is infected with malware? like os and antivirus software
user406009
@haris Nah, I think you are right about that.
user406009
Why would you torrent antivirus software?
user406009
That just doesn't make any sense at all.
i mean why crack stuff for free lol
im a poor college student thats why
user406009
@haris Anyways, most of the time, pirating software is unnecessary. Free software is mostly good enough in most cases.
user406009
04:49
Speaking as a poor college student myself.
u are a college student??!
What's your major>?
user406009
I am Computer Science major with a minor in Biochemistry.
Nic
nice
Are u a senior?
user406009
No, I am in the same position you are in.
user406009
Junior, second semester.
user406009
04:50
But I'm graduating a semester early, so only one more year is left.
Lol u know more than me about it security. did u take a networking course yet?
Nice
user406009
@haris No.
Okay
DId u find an internship?
user406009
Yep.
Nice
in what field?
user406009
04:52
Pretty generic. Some sort of web development.
Are they paying u?
Like how much?
user406009
Yes. Google pays just as much as the other tech companies.
AT GOOGLE?!?!?!?!?!
user406009
Last I checked, they all pay around 7K a month.
YOu are interning at GOOOGLE?
user406009
04:53
Google has a lot of interns.
Nice man
u are set
user406009
@haris Not quite. Still need to study for this stupid MCAT exam next month.
user406009
It really sucks.
bro that was my dream to do mcat and cs
i even did volunteering at local hospital
was a bio major originally
but i realized medicine is not for me
user406009
Yeah, the volunteering is a bit boring.
04:55
so cs for u is like a back up?
user406009
Truthfully, I have no idea what the heck I am doing.
user406009
Just living day by day and keeping my options open.
thats good
my chances of med school disappeared when math courses fked my gpa
user406009
@haris Anyways, if you are serious about getting an internship next summer, you should apply to companies ASAP.
user406009
The earlier you apply the better.
04:57
linear algebra, discrete math, stats with 3d calc all i got a d in. retook for an a ,b,a. But mcat doesn't consider retakes....
Thank you i am
ALso during winter most people are gone now for a few weeks for chistmas
user406009
If you want to prepare for phone interviews, a good book is amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/…
THank you
user406009
Google Code Jam (code.google.com/codejam) is also a place you can look for additional practice.
I feel like there are so many fields and not enough time to get decent in any field
user406009
My main advice for a resume would be to focus on showing coding experience and/or completed projects.
user406009
04:59
@haris "Field experience" doesn't really matter for internships.
i mean i just got a handle over assembly and c, java, C++ and now im learning web dev, then networking, then cryptography. how the heck do we get time for this
user406009
They are looking for people who can code and people who can learn.
yea thats why im learning web dev to show something
thanks for confirming my suspision
suspicion
user406009
If you don't get an internship, then I would recommend looking into research opportunities for the summer.
okay
user406009
05:01
Those are much easier to get, and still allow you to get relevant experience.
How is the job market in your opinion?
Most of my engineer friends who graduated still dont have jobs.... not cs though
user406009
@haris What do you mean by that?
user406009
I'm young, naive, and still in school.
user406009
I don't really know anything about the overall job market.
Lol u sound more mature
Also for web dev, how did u learn it?
did u take a course
user406009
05:03
@haris Practice I guess?
user406009
Truthfully, I am not that experienced.
user406009
There are tons of things I do not know.
is it possible for someone of my exp(junior) to learn sufficient for a basic website--no web apps or anything--in a month?
user406009
@haris Probably yeah.
thanks bro
user406009
05:04
It's a just a question of how much time you are willing to invest.
ok
thanks for your advice and motivation
cya later
Wait, how old are you?
user406009
@haris Oh, and summer research may or may not be paid. That really depends on the school, professor, etc.
user406009
@AngryShoe Me?
im 20
05:05
Both of you
user406009
I am 20.
how old are u lol
user406009
(I know, still young and foolish)
user406009
@AngryShoe For interest's sake, how old are you?
05:08
23 I think
user406009
Hmm, that's interesting. There was a front page article today in the LA Times about companies using un-orthodox information to better determine interest rates for loans. Stuff like how much time you spent look at the loan terms, etc, etc. We talk a lot about the ethics of discrimination in here and some people might find this an interesting practical example. cc @JerryCoffin
user406009
It's always fun to see your thought experiments randomly show up in real life.
@Feeds lol
@Lalaland ... uwotm8
"People who write their names in all caps are scored worse"
CEO Response: "yeah we have no idea why, it just is"
...
YOU MAKE THE PRODUCT YOU IDIOTIC FUCK
YOU SHOULD KNOW.
JFC.
How do you just write off responsibility for your OWN WORK so casually?
"Yeah it just screws these group of people over. Not a clue. Not even really a problem."
user406009
05:24
@ThePhD Welcome to the wonderful world of machine learning.
user406009
@ThePhD The more interesting ethical questions are when his software starts showing that race, age, or gender is a "factor".
user559633
Depends on what you find interesting, I suppose.
user406009
@tree-stand I think it's interesting because it's a core conflict between two strong competing desires.
user406009
On one hand, we want to make the best predictors possible.
user406009
We want to improve the world through better knowledge and technology.
user559633
05:28
@Lalaland What's that, to tell a certain nice social lie to children and to be correct?
user406009
On the other, we have desires for justice and equality.
user406009
We want people to be given an equal chance.
user559633
That article is a fluff-piece.
user406009
On a really metaphorical level, the issue feels to me like the forbidden fruit of the Garden of Eden. Some knowledge shouldn't be known or acted on for the greater good.
@Lalaland so young so foolish
working on bachelors in CS right now?
user406009
05:31
@nick Yep.
user406009
With a possible followup of a masters or an MD.
haha you seem the type
user559633
"Some banker is going to deny me a credit card because I chose to study Romance languages instead of Javascript? That's not a world I want to help create." Two things. 1) Yes, "some banker" would be justified in saying "yeah, it's unlikely you're going to be a good borrower." No one is entitled to free stuff or for others to put themselves at risk because some kid paid 160k to go to a 4 year book club. 2) Then create something better.
you remind me of PhD a little bit
wait what, MD?
user406009
@nick Yeah, I am probably the closest in spirit to him.
05:32
@ThePhD you have a soulmate
user406009
@nick Perhaps we are the ones who should move the HK and live together?
user559633
@Lalaland Ugh the last part makes me so uncomfortable. "Look, all I'm saying is that objective truths and strong statistical significance should be ignored so I can continue rejecting reality."
:D
talk to PhD, something tells me he wants ur luv
user406009
@tree-stand Do you think that company should also be allowed to use race as a factor for their interest rate calculations?
user559633
@Lalaland Did it say that the company was? No.
user559633
05:34
I'm sure they are going well out of their way not to train their model on biases that are legally actionable.
@nick Huhwha.
user406009
@tree-stand Just because a bias is not illegal, that still doesn't mean that it is ethical.
@ThePhD :)
user559633
@Lalaland So yOu wOuLd truSt SoMeOne wh0 wRitEs liKE thIS WitH $700,000 of uR oWn moneY??!??
user406009
@tree-stand I just think you have to be careful.
user406009
05:36
For instance, I would not support the "how long does the person look at the terms" criteria.
user406009
What if the person has bad eyesight?
user559633
I promise you that those data points are incredibly small factors.
@tree-stand I would trust you
but then again I just signed a contract without really reading it
user406009
@tree-stand Yes. In practicality it probably doesn't really matter much.
user559633
That article is such a piece of shit.
user406009
05:39
I still think it's a fun ethical dilemma though of where to draw the line.
user406009
But then again, there is a reason why I chose the name la-la-land :)
user559633
For a business? At the law.
user406009
@nick Keeping my options open.
user406009
I'll probably get rejected by all the medical schools though.
user406009
Maybe.
05:47
@ElimGarak Get in mumble and drill me on physics stuff. D:<
perhaps, I know it's quite challenging to become a doctor
why would you switch though? is medicine more interesting than CS?
user406009
@nick The goal would be to use the MD to better create medical software.
interesting
would it be worth it though, do you think?
user406009
@nick That depends on a lot of things.
user406009
There might be some significant salary benefits.
05:53
actually the other day I was in the doctor's office and I did see an opportunity. they recently replaced all their shit with macbook airs but they're all running this ancient-looking data entry program
Startup Idea Get
@Lalaland are you actually in it for the money, or what?
user406009
@nick I think at a certain point, we are all in it for the money.
true, but it seems to me that most hyper-academic types are really just there because they like school
career is an afterthought
user406009
My main concern is what will allow me to live the most comfortable life I can live.
user406009
What will allow me to work a job I like, while also allowing me to live nicely.
user406009
I like having the financial flexibility to eat out now and then.
05:55
i think $1 million is a healthy salary
user406009
I want the ability to not worry about making it until the next paycheck.
user406009
I don't want to worry about whether or not I can afford turning on the heater.
user406009
And if you have dependents, or want to start a family, stuff gets expensive extremely quickly.
well, I would say most Americans don't worry too much about those things
@nick depends on in which currency ...
user406009
05:58
You got to worry about school districts (and/or private school).
NICK GET ON MUMBLE AND SMACK ME WITH PHYSICS
Also 'aid' is such a desirable sequence of letters to be had - getting paid, getting laid, receiving aid ...
user406009
@nick I know some people who aren't doing so well.
user406009
It's not a life I want to live.
user559633
@Telkitty having...
06:00
@Lalaland fair enough
but at the same time, layering degrees upon degrees isn't necessarily going to help [edit: english is hard]
at a certain point, you actually have to figure out how you're going to get rewarded for all this time in school
user406009
@nick I am well aware of the time costs.
some people simply dont care about big money and they just continue on in academia as a researcher or assistant professor
@Lalaland well, time is one thing
user406009
@nick Yeah, the money costs are another.
but really I'm referring to the worth the degrees
does it guarantee you a higher paycheck? does it guarantee you'll never be without a job?
user406009
Nothing is every a guarantee in life.
user406009
06:04
But I think some bets are worth taking.
go for it dude
if you have a goal in mind, and you have the aptitude to achieve it then I'm definitely not trying to discourage you
quite the opposite in fact
a background in technology and medicine would be quite unique
the industry of health care seems to be constantly lagging in terms of innovation, and there's an incredibly amount of money in this field
if you have a good idea i guarantee that you would get funding for a startup, should you choose to take that path in life :)
just be sure to lawyer up
ahhhhhhh
Where's Bartek
He'd like to throw Physics Mechanics problems at me.
probably in the hospital after crashing his car
yeah he would
oh I forgot you invited me to join mumble
can't today, my internet seems to cut out every 30 seconds now
06:44
I have come here to say good night.
It's 1:44 and I've managed to finish my English homework.
I will see you all tomorrow, or today, I mean.
I'll have to wake up in 4.25 hours.
NIGHT FOLKS
NIGHT NOOBLE
06:57
@user3886129 NIGHT

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