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12:00 AM
also I have observed that I have a minor panic about live systems.
probably understandably really.
 
@JerryCoffin agreed. He's just honest. It does say something about the state of maintenance of libc++
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wadworths 6X on at club:)
 
@Borgleader you need to relax the barriers that prevent you from understanding
 
@sehe I suppose--mostly that "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", probably. In this case, probably 99% of users are on Intel where it makes no difference anyway.
 
Trueness
 
12:08 AM
Intel doesn't relax.
 
@StackedCrooked They obviously need to listen to Frankie Goes to Hollywood more.
 
I've heard that song a lot of times.
Got much airplay here.
 
@StackedCrooked And a lot of other places. If you trust Wikipedia: "[...] the BBC banned the record from all its TV and radio outlets, with the exception of its Top 40 show.[7] "Relax" immediately shot to Number One in the UK charts and stayed there for five weeks"
 
> i will be honest on the scale of 1 to 10 i would rate my programming knowledge to 2..... yes i am a beginner and I'm just tired of procrastinating when to learn programming i want to go for a masters degree on computer science but before then i want to know learn more programming and i would also love some help from you guys. 2015 is my year to really step up my game
Anthony try a little harder.
 
Morning
:silence:
 
12:48 AM
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Because it's late afternoon/evening (at least where I am).
 
@JerryCoffin West Coast?
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Oh no, I'm not on the West coast. I'm like...a whole mile away from the actual coast.
 
Hm, I see. Do you take the plane to get to the beach, then?
Oh nvm it says on your profile. Apologies.
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara IIRC, my profile (amateur-file?) still says I'm in Colorado, but I've been working in California for the last ~10 months.
 
12:56 AM
Yes it says Colorado Springs
 
Noisy fucking cats, (literally), outside. Now I know why exploding kittens got funding:(
 
@Rapptz wtf
 
@Rapptz I keep wondering if I should do a kickstarter project to fund my writing a book on C++. Anybody who donates enough gets a signed copy.
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1:20 AM
I guess that means if I write one, I might be able to sell (or at least give away) three copies, anyway.
 
I'm so bored I'm reading the news.
 
Guys, I'm getting Crosswind ready by today, Crosswind library, Lightweight GUI system with websockets. Mobile is going to take one or two days more.
 
pls no ads
 
needs screenshots
 
@Rapptz ahem
 
1:24 AM
needs more references to tendies and GBP.
 
:P
Good morning.
 
Good morning. Bad kerning.
 
@MarkGarcia こんばんわ
 
At least as I see it on FF.
 
1:24 AM
@AMostMajestuousCapybara I'll add screenshots.
 
@MarkGarcia Too lazy to bin.
 
@Rapptz There will be plenty tendies and GBP.
 
@Rapptz Oh my I think you don't get it. ;P
 
Nope.
I'm not well versed in Philippines humour.
 
I won't tell.
@Rapptz s/Philippines/Lounge/
 
1:27 AM
Loungippines
 
BTW, I've typed a considerable amount of "Lounge" and when I type "tongue" I misspell it to "tounge".
 
@MarkGarcia "tongue" is spelled strangely. The "gue" ending is vaguely unsettling.
[Do I get extra credit for hiding the "gue" ending on "vague" that way?]
 
lol
 
I'm not really sure about the "tendies" or whatever does it mean but there could be a currency module that could include GBP. It is a good idea tough.
 
It was sarcasm
 
1:57 AM
So... Why was this downvoted? All the other answers seem busy making very strange workaround for not passing 0, NULL or nullptr. I find the assumption that the OP wants that quite ludicrous — sehe 10 secs ago
 
@sehe Undoubtedly downvoted because you mis-typed its as it's.
 
Ah. That makes sense
 
@sehe Look at my comments bracketing your question. Your answer is simply wrong.
The other answers sure are ... interesting, though.
 
@Deduplicator Nice of you to come tell me about your opinion. I think the comments were damage enough.
It's sad that the OP doesn't clarify. Because if it's really about the sillyness that others assume, the question can have my downvote.
 
@Deduplicator I don't think the question is sufficiently clear to say his answer is wrong with any degree of certainty. Yes, there are other answers that are closer to answering the question literally as asked, but if taken literally as asked, the question seems to make little or no sense.
 
2:11 AM
@sehe: Do you interpret the possibly intended interesting question as "how to pass a pointer to a temporary", or as "how to pass the address of an object"? Because if it's not the former, I must apologie for mis-understanding.
 
@Deduplicator And if the former, you must have downvoted the other answers too...
Because the others definitely don't show pointers to temps. They show temps of pointer type. Yay.
 
@sehe No, didn't. Will take a look.
 
@sehe Your ~magical fairy of upboats~ is here to save the day
 
The others did take it as a silly question, and reading it literally. Which would sure make the question completely useless.
 
@Deduplicator After Robin's comment, I think you're al right. The OP is trying to wank edge cases. I'm sorry I've wasted time on his endeavour :|
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Thanks, but I'm deleting anyhow :)
 
2:17 AM
No problem. I did my job of restoring balance in this lowly world.
 
@Deduplicator I mean, if it /had been/ about passing a const reference to a temporary array... That would have been slightly interesting/useful
 
Yes. You know, there might actually be a way even in C++, by monkeying around with a temporary std::array. C99 compound-literals sure are nicer though.
 
The problem with using rep and score filters is that I miss questions like this:
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Q: C++ code for school?

danijel matesiccan I get some help with this task guys ? Thanks "Write a program that in entering priam numbers until we enter Zero .Calculate and print the sum of all the even numbers. Enter numbers must be positive and less than 100?"

At least until I check the 10k tools. Good stuff.
 
It has an upvote??? Probably for attracting those comments ;-)
 
I wish the filter could be configured as, "show only questions with score >= 0 or score < -5"
 
2:28 AM
Aww
First student. Last words after ~3 hours of python code: "You are a great tutor."
 
But you suck at Python
 
It was really basic questions.
Also, hey!
 
@Jefffrey What's the rate?
 
€20/hr
 
Cool! What's that again? InstaEdu?
 
2:30 AM
InstaEDU.com
yes
Wait
It's dollars, not euros.
$20/hr
So like ~18€/hr
This is a milestone for me.
 
Is it just text chat or video?
 
Anything.
She asked for text explicitly.
Depends on the students.
You have to be ready for video if they ask to do so.
 
3:30AM, Thursday, what better time for beer
 
@Mysticial Delete?
and a nip of whiskey maybe ;)
Boah it's seriously too late for me to get involved :P
 
Noo it's morning for me I can't get drunk
I need to work
 
2:47 AM
@CatPlusPlus Good luck with this now. I've still got a couple of hours until I have to get my hands on it.
@CatPlusPlus What are you actually working on?
 
Dumb web things
 
In python.
 
I'm doing dumb embedded device things (sometimes web connected as well). FPGA guys are always good for a funny surprise at the latest development integration phase ("that matches our internal model a lot better, and also saves us costly register/RAM implementations")
Driver/Hardaware mapping can get hard (I'd suppose that's why it's called Hardware).
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Remember: software is the part you can only swear impotently at; hardware is the part you can kick and/or throw out the window.
 
3:03 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Nah, just let it sit for all to enjoy. They get auto-deleted anyway.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm verifying most of my code just by unit testing on my host dev environment (Suse Linux outdated). But as mentioned, the FPGA guys get funny sometimes. Not to mention MCU errata :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ MCU errata? So you're dealing with something like a Zynq or Cyclone with an embedded ARM?
Or are you dealing with the MCU separate from the FPGA?
 
@JerryCoffin Ahhh, and I didn't mention the holy cost (BOM). Higher development cost is nothing, compared to serial production cost. Though that way down, it gets a bit bizzare sometimes.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Indeed. I'm fortunate in that what I work on is (currently) low enough quantity that production cost doesn't override everything else to quite the degree it does in some markets.
 
@JerryCoffin "MCU separate from the FPGA?" Yes, the latter mostly. I didn't gave up hope we're going into direction of SoC's (Altera provides a nice scalable model it seems). But what we have now is somehow, let me say "Gefrickel" (bricolage is the most translatable term I found). We have our proprietary extended bus interface solution to interface with the processor.
 
3:17 AM
How do I tell Linux to replace old packets with newer ones when the UDP receive buffer gets full
I'm not even sure it's possible
linuc pls
 
Did you try
`replace old packets with newer ones when the UDP receive buffer gets full`
on the command prompt?
 
Yes, even with --please, did not work
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Proprietary, more or less ad hoc bus design? That sounds like it could be just lots of fun!
 
"Ad hoc" describes it well somehow. In expectation of applying standard linux kernels to the platform, standard HW interfaces like PCI Express or alike would have being worth a thought first.
I think the problöem was, when we've been evaluating such technologies, we found too many vendors that just tried to sell something to us.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It certainly seems to be true that every vendor has absolute proof that if you buy their IP, your design will make you billionaires, and if you buy anybody else's, you will all die in debt and infamy (and this remains true, regardless of what you're trying to do or how you're doing it).
 
3:39 AM
@Jefffrey Sounds risky. Koalas might seem scary to some people.
So, what are you gonna buy with that $60?
 
Lol.
 
4:15 AM
We've been trying to learn, from what those vendors are actually doing. But there were several reasons (at some point production cost), why we've started to cook our own thing here.
I'm still hoping all of the application components, will survive changes of the underlying HW platform(s). Best of hope is a next generation SoC with a linux OS running it.
_"So, what are you gonna buy with that $60?"_ An eucalyptus tree sponsorship maybe.
Save a koala a day, keeps the psychatrist away ;-)
 
4:42 AM
:(
SOAP-based APIs
 
lol SOAP
 
5:42 AM
According to the French government, not eating baguette might be a warning sign that you’re becoming a radical Muslim.
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lol
 
@LucDanton ...and if not that, just simple insanity.
 
@LucDanton Not doing sports too?
 
@Rapptz "They cease doing sports because they involve mixed-gender activities."
 
I should probably read the grey letters eh
 
5:47 AM
@Rapptz I find the use (and lack of use) of blue emphasis really off-putting too.
 
@LucDanton lolwut
 
@Mysticial Top right.
 
Is that conservative propaganda btw?
I don't know how the situation is in France atm but is there a case of hysteria over there?
 
.gouv.fr is a special purpose domain. It’s very much official.
@Rapptz Sneakily intolerant (or even not so sneaky) rhetoric is making its way into the mainstream, which is worrying. That’s about it, until I learned of this thing.
 
6:07 AM
Talking about UDP, (Good baguette-esque way to point at radicalism), I have a question, UDP, using ASIO, for example, if I send a packet, 8k's, the packet (if arrival succeeds), is there any chance that it could not arrive complete? Do we have the packet in one single read?
 
Not only it can arrive not complete, it will likely arrive out of order
Or not at all
It's UDP
 
@Rapptz Whoops, looks like the government is reinforcing surveillance as well.
 
Yeah I read about that.
 
6:33 AM
@VictorLopez UDP packets that are above the MTU size get fragmented, but there is no reassembly mechanism when you lose a fragment: the whole packet is discarded by the receiving end.
And yes 8k is very likely to be above MTU size
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Below the MTU, is the packet ensured to arrive complete (if it arrives)?
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Below the MTU, can 2 packets arrive in the same read? Let's suppose that half of the first packet got lost and then I'm receiving the next packet's first half.
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Having a buffer of PACKET_SIZE size for the reads.
 
In practice I don't see any reason why a packet below the size of MTU would arrive incomplete except for exceptional hardware issues and stuff like that.
Usually UDP is all-or-nothing
Sending 2 bytes and receiving 1 is, I think, allowed, but I have no idea how that would even happen
It means your packet is massively corrupted anyway because size and checksum have to match
So the likelihood of that happening are extremely close to zero and if you want to be sane just assume that packets < MTU arrive whole or don't arrive at all
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Can MTU be increased?
 
6:43 AM
If you have control over the network, yes, it can
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara That makes me happy.
 
7:12 AM
Over all networks
 
7:26 AM
Time to buy some baguette.
 
@LucDanton One baguette a day keeps the extremists away
 
I wish the baker's were this close.
 
@LucDanton I'ld like a chocolatine very much now
 
Une kalachnikov au blé complet et deux croissants svp
@Rerito South-westerner spotted
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara No just a lazy one
 
7:37 AM
@Xeo Have you been watching Kantai?
 
7:48 AM
Hi all
I am using seagull tool for tcp connection, my client sends SYN packet but the seagull responds with RST,ACK. I found that the seagull is installing the PORT on 127.0.0.1 instead of SERVER-IP. Anybody why this happening, or a workaround to bind PORT on SERVER-IP
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Q: TCP: Server sends [RST, ACK] immediately after receiving [SYN] from Client

RiyazHost_A tries to send some data to Host_B over TCP. Host_B is listening on port 8181. Both Host_A & Host_B are Linux boxes (Red Hat Enterprise). The TCP layer is implemented using Java NIO API. Whatever Host_A sends, Host_B is unable to receive. Sniffing the data on wire using WireShark resulted...

 
You have to press Ctrl+W in Seagull. If it doesn't work, try in this window first.
 
8:18 AM
Good thinking
Jan 25 at 18:09, by Lightness Races in Orbit
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@AMostMajestuousCapybara Depends where it's inserted
 
@sehe Your wife disapproves
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Een volkoren goedemorgen voor u!
@AMostMajestuousCapybara What do you know about that :)
Setting priority is not requirement. Requirement is to set thread name — Ankur 33 mins ago
Took me a lot of time to compose myself and a non-inflammatory response too:
@Ankur That's ok! I just answered your question. Feel free to ignore the sample if you didn't need it. Welcome to Stack Overflow. Please read this too meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5234/…sehe 42 secs ago
@LucDanton Does the UKIP recrute in France now?
 
Too funny. And too fast
 
~took me a lot of time to compose myself~
oh nice I got a badge from that
 
8:24 AM
Literally. I received the comment while underway to the office. I had all that time to figure out how to respond.
 
I usually delete answers to ungrateful people
 
You didn't leave it :)
I sometimes do.
(I'm over plinking, right)
 
@sehe I'd get banned (again). Deleted this one for example, guy had the balls to downvote the only answer to his question :whoa:
 
morning
 
afternoon :w
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Q: Building butt on Fedora 21

SvenI'm trying to build butt (https://sourceforge.net/projects/butt) on my Fedora 21 system. The default build chain should be used says the author. So I made a ./configure and afterwards tried make But this fails: [root@sven butt-0.1.14]# make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory...

 
8:34 AM
@sehe Too long to explain, you’d need to take down notes with your Pen.
 
Also, what's UKIP?
 
The UK Independence Party, commonly known as UKIP (/ˈjuːkɪp/), is a Eurosceptic and right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom. It was founded in 1993 by members of the Anti-Federalist League with the primary objective of securing the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union. The party is led by Nigel Farage, with deputy leader Paul Nuttall. UKIP has two Members of Parliament, three representatives in the House of Lords and twenty-three Members of the European Parliament, making it the largest UK party in the European Parliament. In October 2014, UKIP reported a membership...
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara the downvote is gone btw
@LucDanton Jean-Marie?!
 
@sehe Yes he removed it. And I removed my answer ;3
 
@Rerito Delicious poultry. Or political parties with equivalent combined brain mass
 
8:48 AM
Yum chicken
 
yum chicken
> Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit, security
> No such command: chicken. Please use /usr/bin/yum --help
 
Got that wrong:(
Also, I have no chicken or coffee:(
Tea bag morning.
 
@sehe It’s The Next Generation these days.
 
@LucDanton Really?
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara wot?
 
8:53 AM
@AMostMajestuousCapybara His offspring
 
user1804599
Shall I make unary + overloadable
 
user1804599
or just make it the identity function?
 
overloadable
 
identity
there, I bring balance to your indecision
 
8:56 AM
IdentityOverload
 
user1804599
:( now I'm confused
 
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Q: Does functional programming increase the 'representational gap' between problems and solutions?

FuhrmanatorSince machine language (e.g., 0110101000110101) computer languages have generally evolved to higher forms of abstraction, generally making it easier to understand the code when it's applied to a problem. Assembler was an abstraction over machine code, C was an abstraction over assembler, etc. Ob...

Interesting question.
 
So now we have "O/R impedance" and also "representational gap". I say it's all a receognition of the fact the humans are bad at analytical thought
> I've written software for everything from network equipment to Apache helicopters. Although I mostly program in C++ now, it was actually my seventh language I used professionally, so I like to think I can still think outside the C++ box.
Interesting bio
 
9:12 AM
@sehe certainly
> The representational gap could be potentially increased, because [some] real-world problems aren't modeled easily with such abstractions.
and some are. Eh, I find it weird how the conception of FP as an "academic" and "impractical" approach got so popular
Time for another blog post about higher-order programming
 
posted on January 29, 2015 by Adam Welch (MSFT)

The Visual Studio Memory Usage tool is now selected by default in VS2015 CTP 5 . When you first debug a native app in CTP 5, the Diagnostic Tools window will launch and show both the Memory Usage and CPU Usage tools since they are both checked by default...(read more)

 
I think the phrasing "increase of the representational gap" is already too far removed from reality.
We have to accept that the program is the reality. There is no representational gap once you made that shift
 
my colleague taught those students design patterns and old OGL
how do I tell him it was bad
@sehe yeah
 
user1804599
@sehe Don't mind the gap!
 
9:18 AM
you never work with real cars. You work with some model of a car.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's never bad to teach people. It depends on how they are using it
@BartekBanachewicz There's the problem. The human has a model of the car. The program just transforms data.
 
@sehe he told me they were terrible and didn't put any effort at all. He asked me to proofread the test he made for them at the end of the semester. I dismissed half of the questions as blatantly wrong.
 
There is no real need to make the program worry about mapping the two
> wrong queston
 
@sehe as long as the human can still consciously analyze what and how the program is processing
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
user1804599
9:20 AM
Dividing integers results in a rational.
 
Doesn't need to be concsciously
 
@sehe by "question" I meant "a question and a set of answers where either the question premise is incorrect, all answers are incorrect, the terminology used is wrong"
 
Is this a dupe of this?
Nah. Guess not.
 
my kitchen smells less like fried food and more like coffee now
great success
 
Xeo
9:30 AM
ew coffee
 
@Xeo embrace the darkness
@AlexM. high 5
 
:D
 
@AlexM. Oh noes. You're gonna be too healthy
 
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Q: Run your program for n = 100,000.

Vikram Reddy Build an array of random integers using public int[] generateRandomNumber(int N, boolean onlypositive) 2. Write a procedure called 'method1' which finds a number 'tofind' if it appears in the array. if 'tofind' is in array, return the position else return -1 Print how many comparis...

lol
 
> Your program must use IntUtil.java provided by me
lolol
"Your program must use IntUtil.java provided by me." Who is this speaking? You have not provided an IntUtil module, so it cannot be you. Is the person speaking real? Are we real? What is truly real in the world? So many questions. — Alex M. 9 secs ago
 
9:40 AM
@JerryCoffin 6 now!
 
> Write a procedure called 'method1'
What a beautiful, self-explanatory name.
 
@JerryCoffin Totally! I can buy it already
 
user1804599
 
That's it, that shitty Android bug drives me insane I'm gonna toy with some C++ instead
 
yes, at the end I just used a remove_rvalue_reference trait to construct a tuple type with the right types, and then just std::forward everything to it, the tuple constructor handles then the move construction of the values from rvalues, and the rest (&, const&) are stored by reference

Just as a motivation for this, i use it in a zip view of ranges, where one of the ranges can be a transformed view, and thus returns an rvalue, forward_as_tuple would then store this temporary by rvalue reference, but this is UB as soon as this tuple is returned and the temporary dies, the rvalue reference p
 
9:45 AM
nnbkknkknknjnkjnkjn — Vikram Reddy 1 min ago
 
that's what you get if you convert moonrunes to the latin alphabet
lol @ the guy who edited the question to make it prettier =)
 
@AlexM. 2 reps!
 
> deleted by Vikram Reddy 1 min ago
aaand the fun is over
 
I was trying out KDE because why not
I don't like it very much
 
I liked KDE for the ~15 mins I used it :D
it reminded me of Windows, somewhat
 
9:49 AM
nah
Not sure what version of KDE you were using though.
I was using KDE 4
Looked sorta like this
 
that's the one
looks like Windows to me
 
Cinnamon and XFCE looked more like Windows to me
 
I get that feeling with XFCE, isn’t it deliberate, too?
 
Think so.
 
XFCE doesn't look like Windows that much
 
9:52 AM
 
Windows doesn't have that bar on top by default
and it doesn't have OS X-like stuff at the bottom
if you look at KDE's bottom bar you see the start-like button
 
the quick launch bar from Win XP and Vista (not sure 7 and up still have it, probably yes)
 
our CEO is here and I'm chatting on the lounge
 
the taskbar
 
and then that icons bar near the clock not sure what it's called
 
@AlexM. lol
 
and then the clock
 
spoiler, you can use themes to change the look and most of them can be made to look like more or less any other.
 
@BartekBanachewicz HI BARTEKS CEO!
 
9:53 AM
@thecoshman yeah we're talking about default themes
 
@AlexM. bleh
 
Atm I like XFCE the best as far as DEs go.
 
hm, I should've uploaded an image with that text in a huge font, and oneboxed it :D
 
@jalf lol, that's why my desk is in the very corner of the room
and backs of my screens face the office
 
I wish I had that setup
 
9:54 AM
is your workplace that serious
 
people sometimes say it looks like I'm alienating from the people
 
@AlexM. who?
 
Bartek's
 
@BartekBanachewicz You think the CEO will not recognise the significance of that placement?
 
but it's realistically the only way to watch porn undisturbed so
 
9:55 AM
everyone opens up a funny video from time to time here, nobody minds
 
@AlexM. lol, not really. I just don't like sitting near crowded desks.
 
@AlexM. as long as you're using headphones, go for it
 
if they had those small screens around (mini-cubicles) it would be ok
 
I hate sitting where people can come up behind me unnoticed
 
but a large table is unacceptable
@jalf yeah also that
 
9:56 AM
@jalf you'd hate my seat then
 
I've got one of those screens behind me, but there's a gap between it and the wall that you can go around if you want to. I do that all the time to talk to my manager, but it also means he can do the same :(
 
I'm next to a colleague who sometimes calls other people for assistance
so obviously they stand next to me
ALL OF THEM
 
@jalf put a garbage bin there
or a coat hanger
 
fuck me at one time one guy propped himself on my desk
 
@AlexM. is that that bad?
 
9:58 AM
yes if your general response to hearing people make noises is wanting to kill them
 
> fuck me
> at one time
> one guy
 
no, otherwise
 
rightfold material right there
 
Good night.
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara the very reason his icon is small for me
@Rapptz sleep tight
 
9:59 AM
@BartekBanachewicz why
 
@BartekBanachewicz coat hanger? I think you mean a coat stand. A coat hanger is the triangle thing you out a coat/jumper/shirt onto to the hand on a rail.
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara where did you live in, a cave
 
also is "icon" innuendo for something else
 
At my first job after high school, I accidentally elbowed my boss in the crotch because he tried to sneak up behind me :p
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@AlexM. yeah i havent been here for about a month
 
9:59 AM
what was your username before, that park young guy?
 
Taught him not to do it again
 

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