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4:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes IIRC, you can do a cast of the first item's address into a char*
 
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Then you can, after the expression, add a , 500
 
Also funny: the debugger doesn't know that std::strings with embedded nulls exist.
 
user3010322
To see 500 elements in it or something.
 
Maybe try using WinDbg
 
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That should also enable you to bring up the StringView box, I think.
 
4:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, that was always annoying
 
@ThePhD Yeah, good luck with that. This thing is in a smart pointer. You know how well *p works as a watch expression.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Open it up, right-click on the pointer value, manually add a watch.
 
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That'll get you to the internals.
 
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Then you can wrap it in a parenthesis and do the cast.
 
Uhuh. I just received an SE mail telling me "I'm killing it". (a) Is it spam (b) Is that a positive?
 
user3010322
4:03 PM
@sehe It's real, Tomalak got one earlier.
 
Make << overload for this type and use std::cerr << x; :v
@sehe You're under arrest
 
@ThePhD I just checked DKIM - looks legit
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, that's actually what I have.
Freaking print debugging is smoother.
 
user3010322
VS's C++ debugger sucks.
 
It's like the people writing debuggers don't actually debug.
 
4:07 PM
2
A: Been contacted privately?

PëkkaNow that you mention it: I have my mail address publicly in my profile, and have actually been contacted privately repeatedly by pretty hot chicks. This one even sent photos. She is in a refugee camp after losing her father, poor thing. She believes in Love and sincerity. I did not make up the ...

^ that's eerily similar though. Complete with the "Killing" bit :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't make it legit :| Just proves they are consequent in their harvesting... :S
 
@sehe There's a reply from StackExchange below.
Two, actually.
 
@FredOverflow Yes, absolutely.
I think that the smartest way for a language spec to go is just to not ever use the word "character".
 
> In my last email, I failed to mention that we recently updated the program recognize folks like yourself who give so much knowledge to others here. It may have been a bit confusing why I was emailing you well after you actually hit that milestone, but I wanted to be sure you were included in the new program!
 
4:12 PM
and definitely not an array of them, seriously.
 
"well after"
 
also have you seen "The Warriors" already?
 
It was last week!
 
range, maybe.
 
they did a pretty good job this year
Not Get Jinxed, but still good :P
 
4:14 PM
dota
 
lol
no, cat, this is not an instrument.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks. I had noticed:
@StackExchange @tweetsbi O. Finally a shred of evidence that this is not a ploy to get info in some google doc :/ Hint: mail != trustworthy
 
dotes
 
inb4 butts
 
Are you pro esports player yet
 
4:16 PM
I played a few games at the ESL why do you ask
does that count
 
esports
alert
 
Competitive multiplayer has a value vOv
Adrenaline and all that.
 
I'm kinda bored
 
LOL
 
Different that couch-cooping octodad.
 
4:17 PM
A Netherlands
 
@CatPlusPlus you should play yourself some LoL
 
im not playing dota
 
you know that's like saying DF is almost like farmville right
 
im sure dota is like farmville
 
I'm really not offended by people not understanding, but it's kinda lame if you do play games and sometimes even try to say something meaningful about them
but then again you're a fucking cat
 
4:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus twas about the helpful text:
> Give us your country. E.g. USA, India, United Kingdom, Iceland. If you don't know this, ask a neighbor.
 
i have aa++ mmosr
 
i know esports
and dota
 
> It is an evaluation based on the player's MMO history
@CatPlusPlus hard to break that to you but MUDs are not eSport
 
4:20 PM
esports
 
I think the cat might be broken guys.
 
Wait, why are MUDs not esports?
 
theyre not dota
unlike dota
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes esport games are typically PVP
and geared towards championships/leagues/tournaments whatever
 
I'm making fun of this btw in case you still haven't caught on
 
4:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus I know.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Impressive.
A MUD (/ˈmʌd/; originally Multi-User Dungeon, with later variants Multi-User Dimension and Multi-User Domain), is a multiplayer real-time virtual world, usually text-based. MUDs combine elements of role-playing games, hack and slash, player versus player, interactive fiction, and online chat. Players can read or view descriptions of rooms, objects, other players, non-player characters, and actions performed in the virtual world. Players typically interact with each other and the world by typing commands that resemble a natural language. Traditional MUDs implement a role-playing video game set...
> MUDs combine elements of role-playing games, hack and slash, player versus player, interactive fiction, and online chat.
Totally not PvP
 
the fact that a game "incorporates elements of pvp" doesn't really make it an esport in my dictionary
mileage may vary.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You gave PvP as a reply to "why not".
 
I should play some ESPORTS with my thief
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes again, geared towards competitive PvP != having elements of PvP
 
4:24 PM
esports are dumb hth
I need more achievement points
 
@CatPlusPlus OH HOLY FUCK THE ORACLE HAS SPOKEN KILL THE WORLDS FINALS ASAP
 
dota is dumb too
 
KILL DOTA TOO
 
fine by me
Also 96% world completion
 
yeah, right.
 
4:26 PM
So close yet so far away
 
we get this. you don't get this.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Altough I admit the border might be blurry because people are throwing competitions at everything
Narrowing the scope to the games geared toward that makes it a lil easier to talk about it, but I won't stand defending that definition to death.
 
Genocide is a MUD, a text-based online game, focused exclusively on player-killing. Founded in 1992, it was influential as the first such "pure PK" MUD, and has met with positive critical response. == Game characteristics == Genocide's gameplay is based around "wars", sessions of PvP conflict, that restart at frequent intervals. Character development as it is normally known on MUDs is completely absent, with the only advantages that experienced players have consisting of knowledge of the game structure. Genocide's setting is the "Island of Genocide", which is subdivided into domains and, within...
 
What are you trying to prove now?
 
im totally pro aaaa+++ esports player
 
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@ThePhD Yes.
 
4:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol fine if that's that important to you to be right have it, MUDs are esport you are right I was wrong.
god.
 
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@thecoshman There is special syntax for reading and updating maps.
 
You're so bad at arguing about things that don't matter
 
True.
aaaand aapparently time to go home
 
mad about dota
Ugh I'm staring at the same line of code for like half an hour
 
@CatPlusPlus you were supposed to play lol with me btw
 
user1804599
4:30 PM
Delete it, problem solved.
 
you never did :'(
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
That game does nothing for me, also requires :effort:
 
"does nothing"?
IDGI
 
4:32 PM
It's boring
 
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@Jefffrey lol
 
@CatPlusPlus ah, you might get that impression if you don't know what's going on.
 
no, really.
 
I don't really care about what's going on
 
4:32 PM
yes, you care about sleeping and eating mostly I know
 
It would have to be interesting
 
how the fuck you're supposed to measure "interesting" by not playing I do not know
it's a competitive game
if you don't like competitive games you prolly won't like it
if you do like competitive games you might not like it
 
I play games to have fun not to win
 
winning is also fun
 
4:34 PM
If you can't repel incoming enemy with the power of /dance I'm not really interested
 
@CatPlusPlus that's what all losers say :P
 
playing to win is also fun
people like different fun weird I know :v
 
I play to win, generally lose, so I don't play at all.
 
@CatPlusPlus btw I should now say something about ~casual~ and how you should buy a ~console~ because ~pc master race~
and ~hardcore~
 
@BartekBanachewicz You know, you don't have to be all upset like that. You can just say "fair enough, you have a point there" or something. To steal from the current topic, you don't have to "play" everything to win :P
 
4:36 PM
or some similar bs
 
Rule of funny
 
(FWIW, "MUDs are esports" is not something I'd stand behind either)
 
esports from what to what
 
I like games that generate funny stories
 
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@TonyTheLion See? Aren't you glad I'm not THAT kind of PhD?
 
4:38 PM
All dota stories are super serious superpro esports nonsense
blah blah somebody esportsed hard and won who cares
 
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Goddamnit.
 
user3010322
Why does this range-v3 D4128 paper not mention what the most simple range syntax looks like. :c
 
read the docs
 
To force you to actually read the docs first.
 
Read the docs salt the dogs
 
4:41 PM
It's very smart.
 
WAit what
 
the docs will reveal you the secret
 
Chat should have user titles
 
You mean like "Actually a goat"?
 
i can live without
 
4:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus you know watching pros and actually playing are different tho
 
Meh, not visible enough
 
you get this thing called friends first
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes But... but it's boring. :c
 
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I've already read through most of it. ;~:
 
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I just want the interface. q_q
 
4:43 PM
@BartekBanachewicz In case of this genre, I don't like either :v
 
@ThePhD your constant inabilities are boring too
@CatPlusPlus no prob, perfectly fine. Don't hate :P
 
Still not sure if I should yay or nay #303.
 
#nohomo
 
You don't need to convince me dota is fun, I don't care either way
 
#nohate
#no303
 
4:44 PM
I thought you tried everything you hated :v
 
I don't hate dota, I'm entirely indifferent
I do find people who treat it veryserious funny
But that applies to most games :v
 
@ThePhD I'm glad <3
 
user1607528
started learning c++, why cout << mystring << a+b+c; wont work as string and int being concatenationed, see please codepad.org/3A0PbGRb
 
nomic is srius bisnes
 
I wish I were better at OpenTTD
 
4:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Chill out.
Seriously
 
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YOU PLAY OPENTTD?
 
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Dude OpenTTD is easymode.
 
I want a magnificent train network but I'm bad at vidya games
 
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I love doing the multiplayer in openTTD.
 
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Dude.
 
user3010322
4:46 PM
You gotta make the money first.
 
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Then you can do magnificent creations.
 
@Muhammet s/a+b+c/(a+b+c)/ hth
 
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GOTTA MAKE THEN $$$$$$.
 
I get bored with making money tbh
 
Xeo
@Muhammet Read a book
You guys suck.
 
4:47 PM
It's like with EVE, I'd rather just shoot spaceships build trains
 
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Well, if you multiplayer with people and join corporations together
 
concatenationed
 
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one person can ruthlessly make money
 
i get so excited to say that I know how to fix something that i forget we shouldn't help newbies
 
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and the other can build big train networks. :D
 
4:47 PM
@Muhammet Yep, you really need to get some introductory material.
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey You didn't fix anything. Did you even look at the code?
 
@Jefffrey There's no hope for people who use sed syntax to correct people
 
user1804599
@Muhammet string literals are delimited by double quotes, not by single quotes.
 
@Xeo no, (a+b+c) just popped in my dreams, so I wrote it down
i'm doing this write down dreams thing to get lucid dreams
so that i can fly
in my dreams
 
What I like is that 4th jam wiki page is still all "TBD"
 
user1804599
4:48 PM
Fly with what? That shoe?
 
@Jefffrey I just regularly attempt to pierce my left palm with my right index finger.
 
user1804599
  Running setup.py egg_info for package requests

Cleaning up...
Exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
 
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Yay, cancer!
 
If it works, it's a dream.
It doesn't work in reality.
 
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Ugh UnicodeDecodeError.
 
4:49 PM
Really, it just goes right through the palm in dreams.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just jump
if the gravity is messed up, you are in a dream
 
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Robor can you dream about Unicode-related bugs disappearing plix kthx.
 
user1607528
@rightfold got it, coming from php got the habit
 
or read something, watch something else and reread the same text
if it's not the exact same, then you are in a dream
 
Yeah, looking at clocks twice is another good trick.
 
4:51 PM
usually you are not able to read the clock
oh
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes i thought the best way to learn will be by coding
 
well, apparently i forgot some of the tricks
 
@Muhammet I don't even.
 
user1804599
Bullshit.
 
Kids these days.
 
4:51 PM
You can't learn C++ either way
 
@Muhammet go read a book
 
user1804599
You cannot write code if you don't know how.
 
@rightfold millions of SO questions disagree.
 
lol
 
I've learned first language by hand-copying examples from a magazine :v
 
4:52 PM
@SamDeHaan No they don't
 
I learned my first programming language by reading a book cover to cover and then writing some code a few weeks later :S
Don't shoot me.
 
shoots
misses
 
user1607528
@rightfold i do know it, why do you guys make a big deal out of me not knowing that it has to be wrapped in (). You probably all been there in first steps.
 
@Muhammet It doesn't have to be wrapped in ().
 
user1804599
@Muhammet I am not making a big deal of that.
 
4:54 PM
(Also, we're making a big deal mostly of the refusal to read introductory material)
 
user1804599
I am making a big deal of this:
 
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> i thought the best way to learn will be by coding, reading is useless until you try it
 
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It's not useless. It's not the only thing you should do, but it's not useless either.
 
trying it is useless until you read about it
 
You know what else doesn't work in reality?
My code.
 
4:56 PM
MSVC
 
I was taught Pascal by my uncle when I was 7 or 8
My first sorting algorithm was O(n^3)
I have drawn square shooting target because I couldn't draw circles
 
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My first sorting algorithm was never in existence, since I used standard library functions.
 
I have drawn on the bottom part of the screen because I couldnt use double buffering (that one is pretty hilarious)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes same here
I have some race condition
 
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Zit je aan de racekak?
 
4:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The first sorting algorithm I came up with turned out to be insertion sort.
 
@TonyTheLion racist.
 
user1804599
Maybe I should implement a sorting algorithm one day.
 
@R.m I chose the final index of an element basing on the number of comparisons won with other elements
 

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