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10:00 PM
though if you're lucky you can also find a two-room apartment for that rent
 
so
are there way more people on github than bitbucket?
I'm thinking of giving migrating a shot
 
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Q: best way to return an std::string that local to a function

Tony The LionIn C++ what is the best way to return a function local std::string variable from the function? std::string MyFunc() { std::string mystring("test"); return mystring; } std::string ret = MyFunc(); // ret has no value because mystring has already gone out of scope...???

 
@Crow :lol:
 
@AaronKyleKilleen at Northeastern they used to sublet apartments for "students" to be "affordable", and parking alone per month costed more than that
 
I got a Famous Question badge for this ^^
lol
 
10:00 PM
this is how I'd love for the place where I work at home to look like
 
I want an apartment that allows pets. Then finally I can live out my life long dream of being a crazy cat lady
 
@TonyTheLion I'm impressed that isn't closed.
 
I see dead trees
 
nearly empty except for the desk, PC and some small shelves in case I need them
 
@Rapptz I think back in the days I asked it, SO was less aggressive on closing and allowed noobs to ask more noobish questions
This was 2010
@Puppy Congrats. Have a cookie
 
10:02 PM
Yeah I see.
 
Hmm, cookies.
I forgot I have some.
 
Weeh I have to write docs on the server more docs all docs I see docs everywhere
 
 
@TonyTheLion We had a way smaller existing noobish question base to be duplicates of.
 
that right there is the way to live
 
10:03 PM
brown looks dirty
 
@Puppy This is also true
 
my next apartment will be completely white, no exceptions
 
@Crow That your place?
 
but wood feels so comfortable. That sounded sexual. Because it was.
 
@AlexM. White gets dirty fast
 
10:04 PM
looks cosy
 
it feels so splintery
 
@CatPlusPlus that's the point
 
@TonyTheLion I wish, I was gonna build one of them but it's like ~9k for all the supplies
 
it gets dirty, I see the dirty clearly, and clean it
brown always looks dirty :(
 
@Crow oh wow
 
10:04 PM
Just clean up regularly :v
 
Was looking at flats the other day, to buy in London
 
I do clean up regularly but it still feels dirty
 
interesting to see whats around
 
man
 
must be the colour
 
10:04 PM
London must be reeeeally expensive
 
my life is so fucked up.
 
Wooden floors are p resilient
 
between 350k GBP and 450k GBP in the area I would like
 
@TonyTheLion I hear Baker street is a nice place ;) (near 221b)
 
Dunno how I'd feel about wooden anything else
 
10:05 PM
for a 1 bed flat
 
I'm nearly 24 and still chronically unemployed and fighting my health.
 
@Puppy I think you're fine
 
1 bed flat
I had 3 beds in my room here for some time
 
woah
yea if I wanted 3 beds, I'd need to move out of London
 
We took one down to the basement because who the fuck needs 3 beds
 
10:06 PM
@puppy you're my age, I thought you were a fair bit older than me
 
And there's also another room :v
 
but that ain't gonna happen, so I'll have to settle for what I can get
 
@AaronKyleKilleen A lot of people say that.
 
@Puppy I only got my first job around that age.
 
We pay like 500€ for the entire thing, media included
 
10:07 PM
woah
 
is everyone in here from Europe? :|
 
Well, helping out my father at the garage doesn't count.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Technically, I worked for six months in retail to earn some money before university.
 
@Crow no
you're from the US
 
10:07 PM
And people from smaller town are like 'meh so expensive'
 
Why the downvotes? Should I have a degree in computer science to ask questions? — CroCo 19 hours ago
 
@Crow Rapptz is Murican and so is AKK, and there are a few other Murican regulars
 
All in all big cities rule, but some cities are way too famous and expensive for their own good
 
but I believe the primary body of the room is still European.
 
10:08 PM
@Crow Nope.
 
@puppy I think Jerry Coffin is from the US too
 
I kinda feel like whenever I say "cambridge" in here, everyone immediately assumes UK Cambridge hah
 
If someone quoted me 2000$ for a tiny shit flat I would die laughing on the spot
Your cities suck is what I'm saying
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Yep, but he's not in here right now.
 
@CatPlusPlus Berlin be best.
 
10:10 PM
Berlin is Lounge<Capital>
 
Alliteration > grammar.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what country are you from? I assumed Spain or Latin America from your name.
 
Does it make sense to allow identifiers to contain unicode codepoints (as opposed to restricting it to the ascii "subset", robot don't kill me for my terminology T_T)
 
Berlin
 
My name has at least two distinguishing features that should rule it out as a Spanish name.
 
10:12 PM
Also known as Belgium
 
@CatPlusPlus $2000 isn't even considered a good apartment, that's like a student with rich parents kind of apartment
 
Earth AKA Belgium
 
Well I didn't know he was talking about his home city
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does?
 
1) wtf is "nh"? 2) it does not end in -z.
 
10:12 PM
@Puppy Read the name article on his blog
 
dude that's so much effort.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen I'm from Portugal.
 
read it the other day, never seen anyone put so much effort into an explanation of their name
 
fuck yeah beer
 
@TonyTheLion Woah, someone read that.
 
10:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes orite, spanish it would have the ~ on the n?
 
@TonyTheLion whistles
 
R. Martiño Fernández.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Neither of those is apparent to someone who isn't familiar with the details of Spanish and Portuguese.
 
^ also this =/
 
10:14 PM
they might rule it out for you, but I'd wager that most of the rest of the world has trouble telling Spanish and Portuguese apart
kinda like Dutch and German.
is it Dutch and German I'm thinking of?
 
It's okay Robot. I know the difference
And that's all that matters.
 
everyoneknows that I'm the only one that matters!
 
and by everyone I mean me, but since I'm the only one that matters, that is everyone that matters.
 
10:16 PM
give dog battlesuit wtf
 
I found the article Tony is referring to.
 
@Puppy They're similar, but different enough to tell them apart, even by someone who doesn't know the languages. German has umlauts and that funny double S, which is easily distinguishable from Dutch.
 
wait
your father is Fernando Fernandes?
 
@Puppy oh gawd. Puppy, you really need to go and find out that there is an entire world that exists out there, and that there is more than just you around. You know, the real world, where you hopefully will get a job sometime soon.
 
@Puppy but he's portugese so it'd be ferdinand like magellan
 
10:18 PM
he was replying to my joke with his own joke
 
The real world is overrated
 
> ferdinand like magellan
what the hell does that mean?
 
@TonyTheLion It was a counterjoke to Rapptz's joke.
 
@TonyTheLion his first name would be Ferdinand, like the portugese explorerer Ferdinand Magellan
 
oh I missed the joke :/
 
10:19 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen Nope. We don't live in the 17th century anymore.
 
@TonyTheLion The joke is that the definition is recursive. Everyone knows that I'm the only one that matters, because I know it and I'm the only one that matters.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well Ferdinand is cooler anyway, clearly not an improvement
 
@AaronKyleKilleen In Portuguese, Magellan's name is rendered as "Fernão de Magalhães" these days.
 
I realize the joke's already dead so I see no harm in explaining it.
 
10:20 PM
The joke is butts
 
butts are a joke indeed
sadly one that people are falling for
 
wait a second
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I see so Ferdinand is an English rendering?
 
by "butts" do we mean "bitcoins" or "cloud"?
 
@Puppy ...
 
10:21 PM
Ferdinand Magellan (, ; , ; c. 1480 – 27 April 1521) was a Portuguese explorer who became known for having organised and captained the first expedition from Europe to Asia by the west, rounding the Americas by south and crossing the Pacific Ocean for the first time, which resulted in the first circumnavigation of the Earth. The circumnavigation was completed later by the Spanish Basque Juan Sebastián Elcano. Magellan is also known for making the first periplus around the Earth, through his voyages from Europe to the Far East, and to west, towards the Malay Archipelago. He was born in...
 
or both?
 
fair enough.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yea thanks.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Yeah, but even the way we write in Portuguese these days is not really faithful to the original name.
 
10:24 PM
Hmm, I'm imlementing LL(k) is going to be ... a challenge
 
good
yay evolution
@Borgleader What an utter waste of time.
 
I've seen it in historical documents as both "Ferdinan" and as "Fernam".
 
seriously dude just write a parser by hand, it's really easy.
 
@Puppy but ... table driven parsing !
 
(many words with -am mutated into -ão in modern Portuguese)
 
10:24 PM
you're wasting far more time on algorithms and generators than it would take to just write one.
@Borgleader Do it later. There are far more important and difficult things to do when implementing a language.
 
@Puppy Fernández in Spanish means "Son of Fernando"
I don't know what Fernandes means in Portuguese though.
 
it's like in Russian
 
Probably the same thing.
 
where my name would be Ivanovici because my dad's name is Ivan (Ioan)
 
@AlexM. Fernandov?
 
10:26 PM
neat
 
@Rapptz Same.
 
Vodka
 
Ell
watching localhost traffic on wireshark is confusing :S
I don't know which are sent from the client or server >.<
 
@AlexM. I think I'm gonna buy that on launch day.
 
Ell
10:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh that's an idea :P
thank you xD
 
@Rapptz I need to s/walking/cycling/
 
so when does c++ 14 come out
 
Next year.
:P
 
so will they call it c++ 15?
 
@AlexM. But in Russian everyone gets a patronymic.
 
10:30 PM
nah it was finalized this year, I believe
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Dunno. I was joking.
 
@Puppy Fine...
 
@AlexM. Patronymics are not a feature in Portuguese naming anymore. The family names just pass down unchanged, and the parent's given names don't pass down. It just happens that many family names are still patronymics from when those were a thing.
 
I see
 
My father is Fernando, and I'm Fernandes, but that's just a coincidence because my father is Fernando Fernandes. My grandfather is not Fernando.
 
10:32 PM
a new dwarf fortress patch is coming out in the next several days. Anyone play that?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG FINALLY
 
@AaronKyleKilleen I tried. The UI stomped me.
i couldnt summon the will to learn it
 
Stonesense got integrated into the main UI recently
With MOUSE CONTROL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Patronymics were cool.
 
@borgleader it is pretty bad, you gotta watch tutorials or something to get the basics
 
10:34 PM
@Puppy Thinking about it, I'm unsure what kind of "effect" a statement like using System;in C# would have on a symbol table =/
 
I learned how to play it and have kind of been wanting to start a game but then I actually go into the game and realize I don't feel like playing it.
 
@Borgleader Nothing. It only affects lookup.
 
@Borgleader It doesn't. Wide doesn't support such statements right now and I'm not sure how I will, if I decide to in the future.
 
Hmm, I guess that makes sense.
 
@Rapptz And I have one :P
 
10:35 PM
I don't :v
:(
 
I don't care if it's an accident.
 
it makes sense in your case
 
@Puppy Right but you have namespace x = y.z.w; though right?
 
yes (equivalent, anyway)
you can using anything in Wide so long as it is a constant.
 
I was hesitating between either of those approaches or even both =/
 
10:38 PM
probably both in the long run
but it's easier to start with just the first.
 
> The game is coming out next week! Soon you will get to join us in the living hell of debugging this monster. I'm only sort of playing! Almost everything about dwarf behavior had to be changed for this release, so literally every aspect of the game is crawling with bugs. We didn't wait this long because we hate you! We just wanted to get rid of the most soul-crushing bugs so you could join us in perfecting this creation without pulling out all of your hair!
I don't care about the bugs. Gimme gimme gimme.
 
tomorrow: robot stops playing DF latest patch because too buggy.
 
I don't think I have the patience
 
@Borgleader Fun fact: the Wide AST at module (namespace) level is just a symbol table, nothing else.
 
> most soul-crushing bugs
The entire game is soul-crushing
 
10:40 PM
Soul-crushing awesome.
 
and for UDTs then it's mostly a symbol table but not entirely.
 
Awesomely soul-crushing.
Who needs a soul anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes gingers sure as hell dont
 
hey
I have a soul
 
(fun fact i had almost orange hair when i was a kid, now its brown)
 
10:42 PM
I have a similar problem but more extreme
 
Losing fact: DF is fun.
 
I had very light hair that was practically the colour of fire
now it's super dull brown
 
@Puppy Blue?
 
I'm practically gonna dye it back.
 
10:44 PM
you guys ever work your way through an aquifer in DF... it almost makes you ask yourself why they're everywhere in the game.
I mean when I play I turn them on but still
 
I've never played with aquifiers not nuked
 
why are goalies so bad at penalties.
 
Well, turn them off, or pick a spot without one.
@Rapptz Er. It's fucking hard.
 
They always go to their right
:v
 
Penalties are "almost goals" on purpose.
 
10:46 PM
I know but still.
 
There's a reason they're used as the highest... er, penalty.
 
robopun
 
alright
it's nearly bedtime and yesterday I had an unfortunate stomachpocalypse recurrance despite drugs, but today it seems to have not materialized at all.
not that I'm complaining about that whatsoever
 
I used to be a goalie in high school and university, and I can tell you you fucking want to kill your defenders when they give you a penalty to defend.
 
10:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Funny because I was also a goalie.
 
I played goalie too.
 
on the rare occassions when my teachers succeeded in physically compelling me to partake, anyway.
 
Costa Rica lost.
Netherlands blocked two penalties btw
It was a pretty boring game tbh
 
oh well at least Belgium didn't win
 
10:50 PM
it was a football game, what were you expecting?
 
Definitely not an original joke from you :v
 
I was relatively good as a goalie or defender; terrible at anything else.
 
I'm terrible as goalie, because I can't not panic when something is flying towards me at high velocity
Also fuck contact sportsing
 
user1804599
@Rapptz 11 defenders :F
 
10:54 PM
Once the goal fell on me and missed my head by a few centimetres.
 
@CatPlusPlus Fuck non-e-sportsing.
 
Volleyball is acceptable
 
and even e-sportsing is of limited entertainment value IYAM
 
And table tennis
 
user1804599
Volleyball is terrible.
 
10:54 PM
My reaction was just standing there like a fool looking at it for a minute.
 
user1804599
The only sports I enjoyed at school were basketball and baseball.
 
Esports are extremely meh
 
user1804599
And jumping.
 
You guys are lame and boring.
 
@rightfold We call that "bus in front of the goal" in Portugal.
Or "bus" for short.
 
Ell
10:56 PM
rugby is fun to watch
so is tennis
and football
 
Tim Howard had 16 saves in US vs Belgium :v
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes “Yo momma in front of the goal” would work as well.
 
@Ell Hockey is fun to watch /cc @EtiennedeMartel
 
Netherlands played pretty well though.
 
user1804599
They wouldn’t even be able to get to that half of the field.
 
10:58 PM
@Rapptz Yeah, that was crazy.
I'm sad that the US lost.
 
user1804599
@Ell Tennis is kinda fun. Snooker as well. And football.
 
user1804599
The very worst I guess is chess. Followed by cycling.
 
All sports are boring to watch
 
8-ball is the worst.
 
user1804599
10:59 PM
Tic-Tac-Toe.
 
Professional 8-ball matches consist of: the first to play nets all the balls and wins.
A few times, the first to play makes a mistake and fails to net all the balls.
When that happens, the other player starts playing and nets all the balls and wins.
 
user1804599
3D billiards in space.
 
Cricket has got to be the worst and most boring sport ever. Also, I don't really understand how it works :|
I only remember having to play it at school, and it was horrible
 
@Rapptz Japanese can make any anime out of anything. Sometimes I find it a bit boring, stupid, nonsense
 
11:02 PM
Death Billiards is a pretty good OVA.
 
Ell
@rightfold That'd be cool I think
 
@Rapptz Is that 8-ball?
 
Yes.
 
Oh, the correct term is "pocket" not "net".
 
user1804599
liiiiiquooorrice
 
user3010322
11:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus I love Volleyball!
 
user1804599
I love a lack of volleyball.
 
Ell
yay I've added my stub to the list of sasl mechanism and it recognises it now :P
that took far longer than it should :L
 
Hmm.
In soccer, if you get sent off before the game starts, you can be replaced by a substitute.
 
user1804599
11:26 PM
 
user1804599
I hope he disabled email notifications.
 
wewt made hash map faster than unordered_map -_-
 
Ell
Is it okay to send passwords plaintext over TLS? Or TCP with SSL or whatever its called
 
user1804599
Hash maps suck.
 
inserts: 135ms
get: 42ms
inserts: 210ms
get: 82ms
mine vs it
 
user3010322
11:30 PM
Yeah....
 
user3010322
Here's the rub: does it support all the same invariants?
 
inb4, ub, not standard, and a few other things :P
 
user1804599
@Ell Yes.
 
Ell
@carl awesome! Why don't you submit a patch to clang or gcc?
 
user1804599
@Ell How else would you do it?
 
Ell
11:31 PM
@rightfold okay kewl
 
user1804599
You cannot hash them client-side and then compare hashes server-side.
 
user1804599
That would be retarded and unsafe.
 
user1804599
So TLS is used for encrypting the data (including the password).
 
Ell
Coolio
 
user1804599
@CarlGonzalve I bet your implementation is broken.
 
user1804599
11:34 PM
Does it expose exactly the same API with exactly the same contracts?
 
lol, the rules of soccer explicitly award free kicks for being spat on.
 
what about for being bitten?
 
user3010322
There's saliva involved, so maybe?
 
user1804599
How about being shat on?
 
@Rapptz Nope.
 
user1804599
11:37 PM
It’s only one letter of a difference.
 
It explicitly calls out kicking, tripping, jumping, charging, striking, pushing, tackling, holding, and spiting.
I guess biting can count as holding.
 
user1804599
What if one of the players is taken by aliens during the match?
 
user1804599
Does it count as an injury?
 
The referee has the duty to stop, suspend or abandon the match because of outside interference of any kind.
@rightfold If the ref deems that the player was deliberately taken he can yellow card him.
 
user1804599
lol
 
11:43 PM
Woah.
Spitting is then called out explicitly as a red card offence.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Biting would likely to get some spit on him. Do the rules specify that the spit has to travel through the air for it to qualify as spitting?
 
Just mention "spitting".
I don't think biting counts even if saliva is deposited. I think any definition of spitting will require forcible ejection.
 
user1804599
Spitting results in red card? Totally appropriate.
 
user1804599
Spitting on players that is. On grass should be totally fine.
 
Yeah, any of those actions I mentioned are offences only if done on a player.
You can jump all you want, as long as you don't do it onto another.
 
11:49 PM
Why don't they do anything about lasers?
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I can spit on the referee just fine? :D
 
@Rapptz What?
@rightfold That would probably be covered by something else.
 
I mean, I know it's outside of the control of FIFA
but still :v
 
@rightfold "dissent by word or action", yellow card.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lasers vaporising the ball when it approaches the goal.
 
11:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Laser pointers!
 
@Rapptz Oh, in the audience?
 
Yeah.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wouldn’t be surprised if you get a red card for spitting on him.
 
@rightfold Oh wait.
Spitting is "at an opponent or any other person".
 
What if you kiss your team mate?
And it just so happens to be a bit slobbery.
 
user1804599
11:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But I like spitting on myself. :{
 
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I don't think biting counts even if saliva is deposited. I think any definition of spitting will require forcible ejection.
 
lol
 
user1804599
I don’t like potato salads so I’m not backing.
 
user1804599
I yet have to eat a potato salad that can be swallowed without dissolving it into oil first.
 
11:54 PM
Kickstarter is so lolzy.
 
> I really dislike the mayo potato salad, but I like the vinegar based one. I can't morally support this project if it is going the direction of mayo. Do you think maybe you could make a few batches of potato salad instead and make one the way I want?

If this Kickstarter has taught me anything, it's that there are a lot of different kinds of potato salad. So, I will definitely be making a vinegar one!
I wish I could get free money.
 
I can't wait to see Kickstarter's official reaction.
 
Kickstarter has so many health/science related scams.
 
Yesterday a friend of mine said he would shit on his boss's desk if given 4800 euros. We thought about launching a Kickstarter.
 

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