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11:03 AM
@MartinJames No.
 
11:26 AM
@MartinJames nope, we are your imagination, are you thinking about us now? ;)
you know this hallucination of yours would only get worse the longer you hang around with us
 
Check your privilege; there are more genders than this. — Lightness Races in Orbit 4 secs ago
trollolol
added a pretend legal threat
> Check your privilege; there are more genders than this. Your website violates discrimination laws in several jurisdictions. Hope you have a good lawyer! :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but they're specifically looking for something to replace pregnancy!
 
I'm sooooooooooooo bored
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's sooooo old news
 
> Functions increase execution time and make parsing slow.
wow
 
11:31 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit let's troll a SE staff or a SE moderator together
 
ok
let's start by raising mod flags against all your messages
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@Aberrant Yes, that's precisely right. File-static is a total misnomer and means "local to this translation unit". If a definition of such a function is found in a header, and that header is included in multiple translation units, you end up with a lexical copy of the function definition in each of those translation units.... and because the function is file-static you have a copy of it in each translation unit.
inlineing can also result in code being duplicated, but for different reasons and in a different way.
Finally, remember that this behaviour of static is only in this case, and static means different things in other places. In fact, in most cases, it means more or less the fucking opposite. :)
 
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@sehe what did you do for DUO?
 
@ThePhD That's just not true.
 
11:49 AM
@ThePhD There's no such thing. Pretty sure you're confusing with add_lvalue_reference.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dunno about that. I think that if you interpret static as "One per surrounding context", then you get the same behaviour in all cases, right?
 
@DeadMG Arguably. On the other hand, it's the opposite if you look at class-static and function-static as "one per program".
Detect awful non-question and delete it. — Lightness Races in Orbit 22 secs ago
 
but that's a pretty abstract way to think about it and "surrounding context" isn't the most useful of phrasings.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit class-static and function-static are one per class (not instance) and one per function (not call), as opposed to one per program. Simplest way to see a difference is to use a template- every instantiation receives it's own copy of the static variables.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's just plain frightening
 
personally in Wide I don't intend to add a feature for mutable global variables.
that's the easiest way to go about solving this.
 
11:54 AM
@ItayGrudev so how you get op's mean? — Rakesh Sharma 17 mins ago
-.-
@DeadMG The end result is one per program, since you can only have one class named T in your program. Templates don't change that; you can only have one class named T1<T2> in your program.
 
@rightfold I made sure you got paid :)
I developed several "mijlpalen" of LSPO (Lump-sum Personeel & Onderwijs)
 
now "its working nice"
wish i could just kill everybody
 
wish you couldn't wish
 
hmmmm
recursive virtual function will, I'm pretty sure, crash the Wide compiler.
or probably just one dynamic function calling another.
 
or trying to compile something
 
12:03 PM
@DeadMG I fixed your title, and downvoted because it's a RTFM question.
 
:D
yeah that title is much better
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit at least it's a question.
 
Irrelevant.
 
Deliberately ironic orphan message, that, I'm sure.
 
@rubenvb You have to RTFM before you can even come to the conclusion that it's a question that you need to ask.
 
12:05 PM
@DeadMG And once you've done so you have the answer, because you RTFMd
The trick is to R all of TFM
 
lol
 
Or, y'know, just search it for "align" like I did
 
I did.
 
Why do you even care about alignment for such a thing? (honest question, I really don't know)
 
ROLLBACK WAR
why would you rollback an obviously far better title
don't be a douche
 
12:06 PM
lol
 
@rubenvb Well if you're implementing a compiler that abides by that ABI then it's worth knowing
 
the final memory actually used for the exception object doesn't have a specified alignment directly, it's only kinda implied.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but the function is implemented in some c++abi library anyways, so just use that?
 
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@sehe did you make websites?
 
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12:07 PM
> De websites van duo en studielink zijn echt gemaakt door een stelletje retards. Omslachtig gedoe allemaal.
 
@rubenvb But is that actually safe? Because if you're throwing a type T and you're emplacing it into the memory returned by __cxa_allocate_exception, then you need to know that the alignment requirements are met.
what if you throw __m128(); on x86?
double word alignment is 8 bytes, __m128 requires 16 (or at least some SSE type does).
 
@DeadMG then someone ought to punch you in the nuts? :p
 
^that
 
@jalf Well, I agree that it's not terrifically likely that you need to throw a type whose alignment requirements are above double word.
but in order to determine that, you need to start by knowing that the alignment of __cxa_allocate_exception is double word.
 
Throw a page table.
 
12:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You protected it? that's kinda ridiculous, there's clearly no spam answers on it
 
@DeadMG yep, your question is definitely valid :)
 
flip a page table
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@DeadMG just playing. it's unprotected now
 
aw, Tony beat me to it. I was just about to say that
 
12:11 PM
oh and FTR, the alignemnt isn't guaranteed to be double word, either.
 
My obvious starbait didn't work. How depressing.
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METASTARBAIT
 
Weeee
 
even if you guarantee that the unwind header is aligned on a double word, the contents end on an 8-byte boundary, which isn't necessarily double word.
 
@DeadMG what?
 
12:12 PM
here we go
 
I mean, the alignment of the memory of the entire block isn't useful because you're not placing the object in the entire block, you're placing it after the unwind header.
 
how is an 8-byte boundary not a double word boundary?
 
@jalf x64 with 8-byte words?
 
and for some hypothetical x128, you could argue that it wouldn't even be word-aligned.
 
12:13 PM
@DeadMG a dword has the same size on x86 and x64
 
@jalf That was my thought too
 
sure, but that's a Windows API #define, not the usual meaning of "word" as it applies to processors.
 
in x86 (and its derivatives, such as x64) parlance, a double word is 32 bits
@DeadMG no, it comes from Intel
It's in the cpu docs
 
right.
 
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@TonyTheLion dat pun
 
12:14 PM
lol
 
but the Itanium ABI EH doc does not apply to only Intel CPUs.
 
apart from the considerations of for example, an x86 CPU shipped by AMD, it's also used on ARM and PPC and a bunch of other platforms.
 
AMD obviously uses the same terminology, so they can be disregarded, at least :)
Realistically though, I don't think you'll find an architecture where a "double word" exists, and is more than 8 bytes.
 
@jalf It's not being more that concerns me, it's being less.
 
12:18 PM
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A: Does a memory leak cause undefined behaviour?

Cheers and hth. - AlfThe burden of evidence is on those who would think a memory leak could be C++ UB. Naturally no evidence has been presented. In short for anyone harboring any doubt this question can never be clearly resolved, except by very credibly threatening the committee with e.g. loud Justin Bieber music, ...

 
I don't see why. You were worried that something placed on an 8-byte boundary might not be a dword boundary. As long as a dword is 8 bytes or less, every 8-byte boundary will also be a dword boundary
 
@rightfold nope. Alleen intern. Oh wacht. Ik heb wel eens hand/span diensten verleend aan het "Portalen" team. Dat was extern. Ja. Dat was... interessant
 
inb4 set theory
 
@jalf No, I'm worried about people trying to throw exceptions that have an alignment requirement higher than the EH runtime provides.
 
8 mins ago, by DeadMG
even if you guarantee that the unwind header is aligned on a double word, the contents end on an 8-byte boundary, which isn't necessarily double word.
 
12:20 PM
@TonyTheLion I loiked it
 
ah yes, I meant that they're not necessarily the same thing.
 
anyway, yeah, I suspect you'll have to dig into the source code of an existing implementation if you want to know for sure what happens
alternatively, allocate enough extra space that you can pad the exception data as necessary
 
I think for now I will simply issue a compiler error if the exception object is above pointer alignment
 
have you checked what happens if you throw a __m128 in code compiled by clang?
 
I have not.
 
12:22 PM
(I wouldn't be too surprised if they do something similar)
 
bandwagoning is da bomb
bomb's always worth it
 
heh, 1GB MicroSD cards are now sold for the price of what floppy disks used to be sold earlier
 
welcome to Moore's Law
 
Vlad from Moore's Cow
 
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@sehe nice
 
12:25 PM
class xxx Interesting name for a class
 
Overigens, het "omslachtig gedoe" wordt vnl. in de hoftoren bepaald. En natuurlijk helpt het dat er ca 34Mrd EUR in omgaat jaarlijks. En zgn. alles geautomatiseerd (lees: alles "ingeregeld" over 4-6 lagen vertalingen en controles. Handmatig. En dan alle "uitvals casussen" handmatig reviewen)
@TonyTheLion glamour porn
 
huh
I thought I fixed this bug ages ago?
 
I have that thought too at times
 
and I have a test for it right here.
 
maybe your test is wrong?
 
12:30 PM
perhaps
ah
more likely, I simply had the same bug in a slightly different code path.
I adjusted the test slightly for named members instead of member operators and now it triggers
 
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@sehe Het was opzettelijk anyway. speld.nl/2014/06/09/…
 
I think people 'create' mental illness - depression? Autism? bipolar? A lot of people are off in someway, stop making it a mental illness!
 
12:46 PM
@chmod711telkitty And giving it another name makes it something else?
 
You must have the need to make people feeling 'special'
 
@chmod711telkitty My problem is that those are all spectra and, yes, when people say "I have such-and-such" they're mostly overstating it, pretending like they are in some minority group with a binary condition.
 
> Adventure game fans rejoice! Tim Schafer has confirmed that Grim Fandango, the beloved LucasArts classic, is getting remastered and re-released for a whole new generation of gamers. Unfortunately, this news was announced at Sony's E3 2014 press event, along with the, erm, grim news that the remastered edition is, for now, exclusive to Sony's systems.
what the hell
 
@chmod711telkitty However, once you hit a certain point on those spectra and become non-functioning, then I think it's fairly reasonable to claim that you're mentally ill.
The problem is in the meaning of "ill", of course. By and large I agree with you, @chmod711telkitty, that many people claim to be "ill" when they are not, simply because they do not have what they consider to be a traditional neurology (about which they are usually also wrong).
 
GF being a Sony exclusive was sorta random
 
12:49 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well; non functioning... I'd say it's already an 'illness' if it affects your day to day operation to a certain degree.
 
well, I admit if you tried to commit suicide multiple times, or killed someone or burned a village down, then sure you are mentally ill
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Most psychological disorders require "interferes with living a normal life" as a diagnosis criterion.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @Nallath I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. Probably phrased the threshold point badly.
 
I am so bored.
 
Of course then the sorry-for-yourself crowd can just claim "I'm aware of it, therefore it affects my daily life". Ultimately everything your brain does interferes with your life; that's kind of its job.
 
12:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah yes, but it's not always required. Its just one of the points that you could check off (in most cases they state; you have 6 out of 10 points? You have it!)
 
I have had a gall bladder surgery done so I am at home. Nothing to do here.
 
bah
 
@Nallath It is required for the vast majority of disorders.
 
some guy came into LLVM and started talking about lack of GC in Swift
 
@Nallath It's certainly over-diagnosed in terms of a "condition" or "illness".
 
12:51 PM
But consider putting chemical on the lips and around eyes is considered 'necessary' for women in some regions and there is a bible in every hotel room in the u.s. I wouldn't consider anyone who is frequently unhappy mentally ill
 
I was all ready to discuss it and then he started flaming me
I was so disappointed.
 
@chmod711telkitty haha
@DeadMG what did you do
 
nothing
 
@rightfold ik heb veel erger meegemaakt (invoering WIA bij UWV... :{)
 
I simply disagreed with him, that's all
 
12:52 PM
@DeadMG suureee
 
no, really.
I was perfectly reasonable.
 
that is difficult to parse
 
user1804599
@sehe what is WIA?
 
@chmod711telkitty a disorder != mental illness
Disorders can usually (only) be diagnosed using objective tests. Autism, e.g., requires neurological diagnostics tests
 
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@TonyTheLion When my RAM is full and my OS starts swapping, I start flipping page tables out of frustration.
 
user1804599
> Wajong-uitkering
 
user1804599
Zeggen ze nu dat Chinezen gehandicapt zijn? RACISTEN!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes define a normal life
 
@rightfold hahahah
 
@sehe normal people - say soldiers kill other people during war time & yet it is not called mental illness
dictators who killed thousands or tens of thousands are not labelled as mentally ill normally
 
12:59 PM
They're just psychotic
 
user1804599
Psychedelic rock.
 
they are often labelled post-mortem with some kind of sociopathy
not always accurate
 
> post-mortem
very useful </sarcasm> would be better if someone actually removed these destructive individuals from their path of destruction while they're still alive
 
how many dictators had post-mortem you know of?
 
user1804599
Make love, not war.
 
1:02 PM
none, I was just saying
@rightfold condoms are cheaper than guns
 
user1804599
Put a condom around your gun.
 
kinky! ... oil it up too?
 
oh gawd
@chmod711telkitty inb4 lube
 
user1804599
Hoera. Straks lekker door de regen fietsen.
 
@TonyTheLion what happened to pretending to ignore me?
 
user1804599
1:03 PM
Teflon best lube.
 
yuk, regen
 
user1804599
Ronald Regen
 
@chmod711telkitty I wasn't pretending. I had you plonked, and I unplonked you because I couldn't follow the earlier conversation
 
@TonyTheLion sadly, usually the opportunity for that is when they still just look charismatic.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion You can also click "show posts" and it will unplonk until you refresh the page.
 
1:06 PM
@rightfold ohhh
thanks for the tip
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
:<
 
Its all sunny and hot here
for once
 
user1804599
Summer: the best day of the year in the UK.
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1:08 PM
it's too hot here
why can't the temperature stay at a constant 23C
we need to find a way to control the weather
 
@AlexM. We have- it's called "Emit copious amounts of carbon dioxide".
 
unhealthy
 
but that's not easy to fix :(
 
I've got a weekend to burn in Nova Scotia... anyone ever make a trip there?
 
not me, but it looks great
I bet they have huge shopping malls in there
in Halifax that is
 
1:17 PM
that's not a great sell, really.
Looking more for parks or things like that
 
meh
shopping centers and boulevards with restaurants and cafes are the best parts of any city
 
Sure, but I have no interest in the city.
 
fair enough
 
@TonyTheLion yeah, looks like Cape Breton and Keji... Nat'l park are the most popular by four minute internet search standards.
I'll be working out of the Truro area
but working Friday and then Monday-Thursday, so Saturday one direction, Sunday the other.
 
1:26 PM
ah cool
 
I'm dumb
I spent an hour going through the bank statement vs YNAB transaction log to see why there's a difference, and it turns out I forgot to log the Internet bill
:derp:
Which I would notice if I'd subtract the balances earlier
god
 
@CatPlusPlus It all starts with that realization. From here you can get smarter :P
 
> An important change for Free-To-Play and other mobile developers -- Apple has begun to reject apps that offer rewards for viewing videos or certain types of social sharing.
neat
 
@chmod711telkitty really? needs quite a lot of citations, if you ask me
 
well, she's right
they're usually portrayed as twats, but not mentally ill
but you hear it straight away for those crazies who run around shooting up schools
it's that "common man victimisation" thing — if you're a dude off the street, blame it on a mental illness. but if you're Saddam, fuck you, evil foreigner man
 
1:36 PM
more like the inverse. The "leaders have more moral obligation" perhaps
 
also the thing about millions of people being a statistic
and a few tens being a tragedy
or something like that
 
@sehe leaders have a moral obligation not to have a mental illness?
curse those cripples!
@alex yeah
 
hey, hello. It's not me claiming things. You claim things, I merely observe that I rather suspect the inverse to be applicable (Saddam doesn't get a "free pass")
 
Okay, this might sound crazy but personally I believe the U.S. made a mistake for not elect Hillary Clinton as the president - during the whole GFC, only few developed countries came out pretty much unscratched - Germany & Australia being two of the very few, they both had female leaders
I know you might cite the 'cause and effort' thing
 
1:52 PM
@chmod711telkitty Wasn't Kevin Rudd prime minister in Australia at the time? :p
also, I think there are better reasons to vote for Hillary Clinton than her gender :p
 
Julia Eileen Gillard (born 29 September 1961) is a former Australian politician who served as the 27th Prime Minister of Australia, and the Australian Labor Party leader from 2010 to 2013. She was the first woman to hold either position. Gillard was born in Barry, Wales, and migrated with her family to Adelaide, South Australia, in 1966, attending Mitcham Demonstration School and Unley High School. In 1982, she moved to Melbourne, Victoria. She graduated from the University of Melbourne with a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Laws in 1986. In 1987, Gillard joined the law firm Slater...
 
Germany & Australia had people as leaders?
 
@jalf but if we could get the mystical female-political-leader-shield, that would be a serious reason to vote for her
 
@chmod711telkitty The financial crisis mainly broke out in '08. That's a couple of years before she took office. :)
 
Lounge doesn't feel the same after the unconference.
 
1:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
 
you're not the same
 
need a hug?
 
Well I am not saying female leaders were all great, in fact a lot of them were not. But it would always nice to balance out male leading styles with female ones ... the whole yin & yang thing ...
@jalf (correction)she was in the office 2010-2013
 
@chmod711telkitty huh, Wikipedia said that was Rudd
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in what ways? because people look and act different in real life?
 
1:57 PM
The Prime Minister of Australia is the highest minister of the Crown, leader of the Cabinet and head of government, holding office on commission from the Governor-General of Australia. The office of Prime Minister is, in practice, the most powerful political office in Australia. Despite being at the apex of executive government in the country, the office is not mentioned in the Constitution of Australia and it exists through an unwritten political convention. Barring exceptional circumstances, the prime minister is always the leader of the political party or coalition with majority sup...
@chmod711telkitty Anyway, sure, I agree, I'd love to see more balance in that respect. I just don't think the gender of your country's leader is the dominating factor influencing how your country navigates a financial crisis :p
especially not the gender of the leader a few years after said crisis ;)
 
what about Germany then? It was a coincident too? :p
 
If the evidence you're citing is based on a sample size of one country, then yes
 

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