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2:00 PM
I said viruses were good at this:
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz It looks nice and it’s Opel.
 
7 mins ago, by Cheers and hth. - Alf
I think bacteria find it difficult to traverse the distance between galaxies. So when the galaxy blows, poof!, all the local bacteria gone. That's when it pays off to be a higher level life form. (Ignoring, for the discussion, that about 50% of the cells in the human body are bacteria, or like 10% in mass)
"traverse the distance"
then:
1 min ago, by Ell
you said that viruses could travel in space :3
So let's drop the strawmen, eh? :-)
 
Ell
what is "traversing the distance" if not travelling!?
 
It's not "travelling into space", as you seem to believe
 
how about piggybacking on a comet?
 
2:01 PM
@DeadMG he already ruled that one out
traversing a distance of space, and building a rocket to escape Earth's gravity, are two very different things. no idea why you're bringing the latter into this
 
Ell
well I have no clue what traversing a distance means then :S
 
um you go from point A to point B.
 
Actually being on earth bacteries are actively traversing huge distances into space, it's just relative
 
user1804599
@Ell foreach (@distance)
 
not the same as:
4 mins ago, by Ell
@lightness humans can fly into space
 
user1804599
2:02 PM
owned
 
lol
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix whilst inside Earth's gravity field it's kinda moot ;P
 
says the guy using the fucking disgusting sigil.
 
user1804599
What?
 
did I miss something
 
user1804599
2:03 PM
When Wide is done, I’m going to fork it and add sigils.
 
rightfold forks Wide girls. with his sigil.
 
Ell
then humans and viruses are good at traversing distances
 
@rightfold that's a safe claim
 
Yes, what is it you want, son?
 
2:07 PM
Not a bike
@Ell humans cannot survive the vacuum of space, actually
 
Okay. But you didn't summon me
 
just so you know
 
I already knew
 
Ell
they can with space suits?
 
2:09 PM
@sehe A bigger clue stick for creationists
 
@Ell Again, no. You need food, water, toilet breaks. Plus you'd die of old age before reaching your destination.
> As explained in the context of candle flames, zero g's means there's no natural convection. This means body heat doesn't rise off skin, so the body constantly perspires in an effort to cool itself down. Even worse, because that steady stream of sweat won't drip or evaporate, it simply builds up. All this makes for a pretty moist journey to the beyond.
Ew. I never thought about that.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix :D
 
Ell
@lightness right, but we have sent people to the moon and the iss so we have proven that we can survive the vacuum of space, haven't we?
 
god fucking idiots everywhere
why am I even on the internet
 
2:16 PM
@Ell did we send people to the moon really?
 
what the fuck is going on here
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sadly, I can't do that. I did that in another creation. Let's just say, it wasn't a huge success (but I survived, hehe)
 
the song on my spotify is called "Helplessness Blues"
 
@Ell How is travelling to the moon even remotely comparable to traversing the distance between galaxies?!
 
couldn't fit better
 
2:18 PM
You're off your fucking head
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meh, it's just a question of speed.
once you get velocity in space you pretty much maintain it
 
Ell
@lightness you said humans can't survive the vacuum of space, but they have?
I don't understand how you can think viruses are more evolved than humans :S
I think the evidence is quite clear that humans are the most evolved species, just look around
 
11 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
@Ell Again, no. You need food, water, toilet breaks. Plus you'd die of old age before reaching your destination.
@Ell Okay so what you're going to have to do now, is to read the past hour of conversation in this room. Again. Sigh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if you built a station big enough, you could pack supplies for years and reproduce in space, at least theoretically
 
@Ell What the fuck? When did I claim anything of the sort? Are you a member of Bartek's "Strawman Argument Fan Club"?
 
2:23 PM
@Ell evolution doesn't have anything to do with that. virus can evolve 10000 times faster than us. They aren't going to become like us they are just different
 
user3010322
Welp.
 
user3010322
About to fly for 7 hours.
 
user3010322
And lose 3 hours to the timing difference.
 
user3010322
And then take a bus for 4 hours. <_>
 
Honestly, trying to discuss things with some of you is like pulling teeth. Out of a virus. You just make up the opposing argument as you go along.
 
Ell
2:23 PM
okay so I have no idea what this conversation is about anymore
 
@Ell From the looks of it, you didn't know what it was about in the first place! :)
 
Ell
maybe :)
 
I'll save my next conversation for someone who has more than 10-minute memory
 
@ThePhD did you tell us how did the interview go or did I miss it?
 
@ThePhD Keep us informed
 
user3010322
2:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Uh, I did. There's also attached rant-ish. I also talked about in in Mumble with TonyTheLion and ScottW and StackCrooked.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is currently not within our abilities. That it one day may be is irrelevant.
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit <3
 
@ThePhD mhmhmmh mrghghrg mmhbfhmm
 
Btw, does "linear programming" mean something to you?
 
user2684182
hi
 
2:26 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yes...
1st year Uni
it wasn't too difficult and I see the uses for it (they're massive, in case you were wondering), but I didn't find it too interesting either
 
I need a book or some good references. I have that in my third year. Don't feel like reading russian books
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix can't help you there
 
Doesn't sound too complicated and the teacher did sound correct. First class and I understood everything he said
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yep
 
Is there any other common term for that subject?
 
2:30 PM
@ThePhD I find it funny that STL, while working in Microsoft, doesn't use DirectX
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Not everyone dogfooods.
 
user3010322
He's working on makaing his engine work with OpenGL 4.4 now.
 
user1804599
I found a way to make pre-emptive multithreading easier with Styx.
 
@ThePhD how do I find where you talked about your interview?
 
user1804599
I’d simply have one OS thread that is in a Boost.ASIO runloop.
 
2:33 PM
13 hours ago, by ThePhD
I was interviewed by the GFS MSG division - Global Foundation Service and Something Something Something people.
 
user3010322
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Show Room Info (top right), search bar.
 
user1804599
And then Styx code would communicate with that through channels.
 
I find it funny that STL works at Microsoft. Also somewhat ironic, given their propensity for using the wrong names for things...
 
@BartekBanachewicz thanks
 
anyone happen to know if there is some sort of way to check if a vim bundle was loaded at all?
 
user3010322
2:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, if only because it matches his initials, I want to keep calling it STL. :D
 
I hoped it will be a one big image
 
those aren't creationists. those are utter morons who happen to be creationists.
 
but this one is particularly great
 
2:35 PM
don't make the mistake of thinking that is representative
there are billions of incredibly stupid dumbfucks who aren't creationists
just saying
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah I realize that
 
@BartekBanachewicz just checking
was afraid you were going to use this as some sort of "proof" to further your agenda
as it wouldn't be unprecedented
 
yeah when I say "creationists are dumb" what I really mean is "dumb creationists are dumb"
which is kinda a moot thing to say obviously
but it's not my fault the photos like above are taken and shown to me
 
the last one is funny
 
user1804599
Is it possible to have a lock-free atomic thread-safe priority queue?
 
2:43 PM
@rightfold you don't need locks in one thread
You could run your priority queue in one thread as long as you don't care about what could return the spawned threads?
 
I love you @BartekBanachewicz
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why now
 
@BartekBanachewicz Always
 
Ell
why do the laws of thermodynamics debunk the big bang? o.o
 
@Ell if the big bang did create matter
 
2:48 PM
@Ell plz not
 
rning
 
good rning to you, too
 
Ell
matter was created shortly after the big bang I believe
or during
idk
gluon's made quarks into baryons
 
In my uni residence we usually had jehovah's witness people. And I ran fast to my floor and scream "They are coming"... so everybody closed their doors and acted as if nobody was there.
 
@Ell wasn't matter already compressed?
 
2:51 PM
now
 
Ell
I don't know >.< I'm supposed to know this for my physics course too :/
 
lol
 
Ell
it started out with a bunch of quarks and other fundamental particles
 
check your textbook then? :D
 
@Ell They don't. They debunk the notion that the Big Bang materialised out of nothing. Except they don't even do that, really, since the laws of thermodynamics govern this universe, not the hypothetical realm that spawned it.
 
2:52 PM
how do I default init in haskell
 
I don't care about the big bang, creationists or lock-free queues. I'm creating croissants from a can of shaped dough and a chocolate bar:)
3
 
damn you and your croissants again
 
Ell
then as the universe expanded and cooled, gluouns exchanging between quarks allowed protons to form
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes what happened to wheels::locker_box?
 
@MartinJames me want
 
Ell
2:53 PM
@melak I don't have one :P
 
I had an argument with some people saying that it was harder to build a fly than to build a computer...I answered take two flies and you'll have more... take two computers and what?
we just don't know yet how to make a fly from scratch, that doesn't make it more "hard".
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I only just discovered that you could get croissants in a can - six of them, rolled up.
 
> According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago, [...]. At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly.
No matter was created during the big bang
It was in a compressed high pressure state and just began to expand
 
@MartinJames that's crazy... if there is something I miss about france/quebec is croissant :(
and maple sirup
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Haven't got maple syrup:(
 
2:57 PM
I have a can in my fridge and I'm keeping it for the right moment. I get to buy maple sirup once in like 4 years
 
the italian version of the page is much more precise on this
gimme a second
 
Ell
@jefffrey yeah matter was formedpslightly after the big bang
 
> On the very early stages of the Big Bang, there are many speculations. In the most common models, the Universe was initially homogeneous, isotropic, with a very high energy density, high temperatures and pressures, and was very rapidly expanding and cooling. Approximately 10-37 seconds after the initial instant, a phase transition caused a cosmic inflation, during which the universe increased its size exponentially.
 
@Jefffrey does that mean we could be still expanding?
 
well yes
 
2:59 PM
I am looking for a way to use bootstrap themes but want to be able to save data to sql server. To be able to fully utilize bootstrap I cannot use C#. How would I go about doing this? What language could I or should I use?
 
We are, aren't we?
 
You're "paying the complexity prize" - Spirit favours strongly typed attributes. I expect you'd run into many more issues. Of course, I can't know, but it's my gut feeling :( — sehe 20 secs ago
 
for the law of Hubble, yes, we are still expanding
 
I plan to expand in about 10 minutes, (must check oven).
 
@Jefffrey but if we are all expanding at the same pace... we could be still in the big bang but highly compressed and we wouldn't know!
 
3:00 PM
hey hey
calm down bro
 
The big bang was God running Shockwave Flash.
 
I just woke up at 4pm and I still have a giant hangover
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm mentally incapable of going recursively
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Um, it is...
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix We are... and we do know. It's all relative.
@BartekBanachewicz You can't, because that would be useful.
 
bah where's the formatting guide on questions for SO? How do I add a link?
 
3:03 PM
Possibly an XY-problem. Problem Y (derived as solution to X): I want to write the following type expression more simply:
 
@MartinJames And we're just the bug report
 
typename tuple_element<0, tuple< Values... > >::type
Problem X: I just want a function taking an arbitrary number of arguments of type Value
 
What I don't get is how if everything is coming from the big bang... It means we have one point of origin and things are moving away from that point... how can galaxy then can collide?
They're what attracted to each others and move in spiral forms?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Which Value :)
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix it's just some self-contradictions heaped upon some self-contradictions.
@sehe in my code it is an enum type
actual use of construction:
    template< class... Values >
    auto small_set( Values const... values )
        -> Small_set< typename tuple_element<0, tuple< Values... > >::type >
    { return { values... }; }
 
3:05 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix It doesn't matter since the big bang theory does not explain shit about the origin of the universe. It just illustrates a theory on a certain important moment in time in which we began to expand.
 
What was the matter doing there? What created it?
still unanswered
 
Regarding "origin" of universe, here we're into a logic error that i don't remember the name of!
at the moment
 
user1804599
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user1804599
How can I hide this output when running a command with ! in Vim?
 
user1804599
3:07 PM
It is incredibly annoying.
 
but the necessary background for understanding it is to contemplate the meaning of "exists" wrt. a universe: what does it exist in
 
Don't run a command with ! in Vim.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf anthropic principle?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i almost stopped reading SciAm when they published that silly article
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf what?
 
it came on top of the earlier idiocy of american philosopher Searle, being given prominent place
 
3:08 PM
no idea what you're talking about, sorry
 
the late Erik Naggum (infamous Norwegian Lisp-programmer and net troll) did stop reading SciAm then
 
@rightfold silent! IIRC
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Am I right that this is then your SSCCE? (coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/05e792041c071f3d <-- you could have made this)
 
Searle argued that non-biological strong AI could not exist, because a person doing the work of a chip in a computer would not understand what the computer was doing. Pure idiocy, conflation of multiple levels of abstraction. Still published.
 
Ell
I never know what the universe is. is it the sum of all things, or the thing in which the sum of all things resides?
 
@sehe yes yes you'r real good :.)
 
3:11 PM
@Ell what
 
the file is very small so i can just paste it all on coliryu
 
what's the "sum of all things"?
 
Ell
@jefffrey planets, stars etc.
 
user2684182
3:12 PM
Installing jhbuild configuration...
takes forever
 
are you trying to be poetic?
 
Ell
is the universe the data points or the graph axes?
no, I genuinely don't know :L
 
the first I believe
 
Ell
are things inside the universe or part of the universe?
okay
 
@Ell inside would assume there is a outside
 
3:14 PM
inside would also assume that "the sum of all things" is not the only thing that compose the universe
the universe is everything, from us to matter to magnetic fields
IIRC
> The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence, including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy.
IRC
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf So, I dunno if this counts as "prettier": coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/23deaa86bcefd2ac
template<class... T>
    auto small_set(T... values) -> Small_set<detail::head_t<T...> >
    { return { values... }; }
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit suck it
 
hehe
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf or, some cruftiness removed coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/777596c4be4b1f20
@Cheers Oops. Brainfart. You could just use template<typename T, typename...> using head_t = T; if you want :)
 
3:26 PM
give head?
 
no, my haskell program apparently isn't mutating my state
which is a tad ironic
 
gr8
 
loop gameRef = do
    game <- readIORef gameRef

    let player' = moveRight (player game)
                  where moveRight = (position.x) `over` (+1)
        game' = game { player = player' }

    print $ player game'

    writeIORef gameRef game
it prints (3,2)
all the time
ah fuck I see it
let's play "spot the bug" then
 
> You cannot associate default values with a type
So, I was right.
 
yay I'm an idiot!
 
3:38 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit available as a library
 
@BartekBanachewicz Faking it in userspace doesn't count
 
hahaha I didn't say anything about userspace
 
@BartekBanachewicz wow look at that functional code yeah
 
so how do you run a command in vim immediately? Like say I wanted to do ",ig" or something
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit who said it's functional code?
 
3:39 PM
a lot of you play starbound?
 
@BartekBanachewicz no-one sane
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so do you see the bug? :P
 
user1804599
Nice. auto ip = [this] () -> unsigned char const*& { return call_stack.back().ip; };
 
Also I think I can make it functional
by lifting moveRight
modifyIORef is not strict so it should work okay
@rightfold sanity check ^
 
user1804599
I use modifyIORef'.
 
3:42 PM
well if I don't want results immediately no use to use it right?
 
user1804599
Problem is if you never use the result.
 
user1804599
Thunks will build up.
 
user1804599
And you can get stack overflow.
 
user1804599
<type_traits> y u no std::enum_count.
 
why would you even want such a thing
 

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