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@sehe Back when the world was young and programmers still read Byte magazine, they had a benchmark that consisted of something like int ***********************************x; int y = ***********************************x;
hello from my home
Who the fuck keeps mucking with the SO interface /cc @JerryCoffin
@sehe lol
Obviously, they can though
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Q: Should we discourage leading +/-1 on comments?

Shog9I'm getting really sick of finding folks arguing about votes, only to see that the bickering started with a comment of the form, -1, because [some perfectly reasonable criticism] As has been discussed many times, voting is anonymous for a reason; folks who give up that anonymity do so at th...

00:14
@sehe SO keeps mucking up the SO interface, of course.
@milleniumbug I'd seen that. Seems like a mediocre idea with low upvotes and it happened already?
wow. SO is progressing
@milleniumbug ffs
Ell
Ell
Man work takes ages
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A: Should we discourage leading +/-1 on comments?

Lightness Races in OrbitPlease no. There is nothing wrong with this. If people get uppity about receiving a downvote that's their flaw. People keep complaining about not having downvotes explained, and a leading -1 succinctly links an explanation of how a post can be improved to a downvote received. Conversely, I love ...

@LightnessRacesinOrbit TIL about some vocabulary.
00:18
@Columbo "uppity"?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "succinctly"
Your eloquence is marvellous.
@sehe The best part is that, judging by what he said, he made this change before asking.
@Columbo heh ok
@Columbo thanks duck
@milleniumbug Assuming you're talking about Shog, yeah, par for the course -.-
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is that some sort of insult, or...?
@Columbo no
I also kind of wish you'd gauged community opinion first. You're not Jeff! — Lightness Races in Orbit 8 secs ago
00:29
@milleniumbug When I was in the Air Force, they actually taught about how to do this as part of "leadership training". Although they phrased it a little more politely, what they basically taught was to make your decision, then talk to your people about it, then find anything they said that could be interpreted as supporting your decision, and finally explaining your decision as being an implementation of those bits and pieces (which you, of course, phrased as "based on your input" or similar).
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Q: SVG Update Feedback

seheAs requested in Feedback Requested: Stack Overflow design update: The SVG update completely breaks the Opera experience when zoom <> 100% I might not be the only one using Opera, but am I the only one who zooms to get readable fonts on his high-DPI screen...? ...

I am amazed at the amount of people who don't really have visions of their own
@milleniumbug oh well, I'll get over this
@chmod711telkitty I'm surprised that you are
@sehe I'm surprised at your...wait a minute. No I'm not.
it's like 90+% of the population, then in those who do, 50+% don't do anything about it ...
00:32
@chmod711telkitty visions of the future? I get them all the time through the force
@JerryCoffin That's a clever way to make people create argumentation for you.
@Borgleader are you doing anything about it? ... day dreaming doesn't count :p
@JerryCoffin I know :)
@chmod711telkitty Yes, I sent two robots in search of the chosen one.
@Borgleader ...as Gandalf the Red directed you to when he visited in his Tardis.
00:45
dat mission
"NOOO, Mr. Fluffypuff! You will be avenged!"
00:58
Good morning Lounge.
Time to HTTPSify loungecpp.net.
01:09
Mozilla: "Yeah, suck it CACert."
That said, it sounds interesting. I wonder if they give free wildcards.
One thing that's very good is that it'd be much better than StartSSL, which is the only trusted authority who gives free certs.
Free as in "free unless you cancel before a year".
01:28
ffs how do you strikethrough comment text on SO?
Oh, apparently, you can't. Sigh.
Yeah. :(
Ell
Ell
Work is finally over
@Mari-LouA I was recently, erm, ‘informed’ by someone that I shouldn’t be calling red-haired people ginger because it’s racist. Not only because it’s a colloquial term for a group of people that share a certain physical trait, but—and this is where I nearly fell off my chair—because it’s an anagram of nigger and therefore inherently horrible and racist. Absurdities abound in this world. :-) — Janus Bahs Jacquet 2 hours ago
lol where do you get these people from?
Black Friday is obviously a day when lots of Africans go shopping and start fighting. Bloody bastards. — Lightness Races in Orbit 11 secs ago
giggle
or, should I say.... snigger
Ell
Ell
01:33
free pizza at least woo
going to bed
need more downvotes on the "ban +1/-1 comments" meta post
get to it
01:56
I feel like this should be really easy but I don't see how to get the solution...
Ugh this bug is so annoying.
02:33
Radioactive variables? :) — saiarcot895 Sep 9 at 2:46
volatile .. if you don't know the word ...
Ell
Ell
Where do you guys buy your music?
Y'all ready for black friday sales?
02:50
I only buy things when I need them ..
but now things you need are cheap for a day
not spending money is the best way to save money
 
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04:06
@Ell 7digital mostly
 
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06:06
hey c++ nerds:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27032790/what-are-the-15-classifications-of-types-in-c
@TrevorHickey I think l-value and r-value references are the same except for binding rules. And you forgot plain function pointers.
And pointers.
@MarkGarcia agreed
Don't know what Mr. Brown's talking about.
Also bool, char, etc. are all integral types. So that's just one classification IMO.
Templates? Dunno if that applies.
@MarkGarcia I was thinking the same thing. Even enum..?
But that would give me even less to guess with
Well, I emailed the man, so I'll post an answer to my own question if he replies.
night!
@TrevorHickey Can't open YT here. Do you have the title of the talk?
@TrevorHickey Oh. Good night.
06:14
C++14 adds the std::is_null_pointer primary type category trait FWIW, raising the count to 14 such traits.
@TrevorHickey Yup thanks.
it's all meta template programming stuff. Not mentioned anywhere in the slides, but he said it during his presentation
@LucDanton That name is kind of confusing whether that pertains to the type or the value.
Well it is a metafunction. Taking a type param.
@TrevorHickey The two clues are the word ‘partition’, and the fact that there are 14 primary type category traits (which purpose is in fact to partition the C++ types).
Which partition counts as two or whether the Standard’s claim that those traits do form a partition is correct I do not know.
06:26
> underscore T syntax reminds me of perk. yuck
lol @ typo
I don't understand.
Oh—is the 15th one plain char? I think it’s formally unspecified.
If that’s it, kinda anti-climactic.
I just realized how useful void is.
It's really special.
I misremembered.
> It is implementation-defined whether a char object can hold negative values.
Doesn’t say anything about the 'primary category'. So my bet is on plain char.
Or maybe character types in general when treated as characters.
06:33
Nah, because there is overlap: signed char is both a narrow character type and an integral type. And we want to partition.
'Non-integral narrow character type' is {char}.
mmmh
> For addition, either both operands shall have arithmetic or unscoped enumeration type, or […pointer stuff…]
That would leave '0' + 0 undefined.
(I cannot find any relevant integral promotion for the purpose of 'the usual arithmetic conversions'.)
If that's the case, much to the anger of JavaScripters doing C++ when they realize doing 'answer: ' + 42 would give garbage, if not UB.
Heh, there is wording in the conversion stuff that treats char as an integral type. So much for that idea then.
Maybe he was giving a ball park number
not an exact one
that’d make sense
I also thought of that.
06:42
seeing as the SC itself lost track of std::nullptr_t at some point
But it's an odd number to have.
(pun not intended)
how?
he's close enough I suppose
He may also just thought of it out of nowhere. Like, he was just emphasizing void.
But he should have just picked 42.
if it was important he would have expanded on the point more
06:45
ooo I’m seeing the bit where char is included in the integral types; don’t know how my Ctrl-F missed that
Finding such common words in the standard is like googling a common english word to find an article.
head’s fizzy and I’m super hungry
Effects of reading the standard.
cpx
cpx
How come this fails to remove non-characters?
No str.erase().
06:49
remove_if does not remove stuff, search for 'erase-remove idiom'.
I don't get the output.
cpx
cpx
I just answered the following question and just wondered why did I use str.erase().
@MarkGarcia positions after the result of removing hold garbage
@LucDanton I mean the algorithm. But I think I know now.
@cpx Because you were distracted with thinking about the undefined behavior you were invoking by calling isspace and isalpha without casting the parameter to unsigned char.
hI, Robot
cpx
cpx
Fixed.
@cpx Much better.
I regret voting for this parallel turn crap
Too much going on at once
@chmod711telkitty IP!
07:06
:'(
yeah I am an idiot ... wait, I was an idiot >_<
Good job
@chmod711telkitty Delete?
also mynah birds are trying to build a nest in neighbours new roof, fun to watch them trying to put all sorts of rubbish into the opening under the new tiles
are you... leading by example?
well, I don't hate that neighbour, we are not talking about the one behind my house ...
07:32
There's a reason that Why is “using namespace std;” considered bad practice? has "only" 660+525 upvotes. Read it! Also read the second most voted answer, I'd say. — sehe 10 secs ago
@MarkGarcia Me neither /cc @StackedCrooked
I'm glad this compiles, but at the same I'm not lol
You should be glad. Now, it gets more interesting when you sometimes need to add parentheses to be able to type the qualified version. (Having a hard time coming up with the scenario for that right now :()
@sehe it's the yt comments on this video.
07:37
@Rapptz hint stdlibc++
@StackedCrooked Oh gosh
what?
@MarkGarcia confused much? That's just "global scope qualification"
07:38
yeah
@Rapptz I hope you meant the ugly need of ::s.
it'd be ambiguous without ::
without :: the global test wouldn't even be found
Guys, I know, I know.
Just that I think @Rapptz doesn't like seeing too much ::s. vOv
07:41
You're right. I don't.
Unfortunately I have a naming clash so I have to do it
names love to clash
But we're all unique! Right?
(replace test with colour and you get my actual issue)
@Rapptz Why are you using the "u" version of "color"? You're American.
Interop?
07:46
colour > color, lexicographically
@Rapptz Easy, use color for your type!
The search for "color" is interesting in that it shows unrelated tags.
@sehe lol
I have a typedef for color :p
typedef for color; ??
using color = colour;!
07:48
Guilty!
Jan 31 at 22:38, by Rapptz
So the color limit for int is 2147483647?
@Rapptz Erm... chat.stackoverflow.com/… yields 1375 messages, roughly 18x as many :)
lol
@sehe I have no idea why.
It's weird.
We think so too :)
Lol. Kidding. I'm off to work
Oh sf::Color
07:50
this conversion is so colorful
seriously all these tag results are weird lol
broken chat search
Redundant. "Chat search" is enough
lololololol
Searching generated HTML!!!
terrible
Xeo
Xeo
07:58
lol. hi
@Rapptz struct test
that too
@LucDanton TIL. Not just for templates.
@MarkGarcia Think C ;)
Oh. Well I think I remember something of that, but I really don't know C.
08:07
that's why the typedef trick works in C
oh then forget I said anything
different ways of doing lookup
More like why typedef trick is necessary to maintain sanity
huh
08:11
Is someone reusing interview questions? I'm not sure I understand how that's capable of a DMCA takedown
DMCA is real gud
44:22 Yea, for thy sake I have suffered the loss of referential transparency http://tmblr.co/ZPJihp1Q8OF1V
cc @Bartek
lol dat account
that profile picture is from /g/
daily programmer threads
user1804599
@FredOverflow I think that is more likely.
user1804599
08:24
No kidding?! This just arrived:
Xeo
Xeo
> Dwarf Fortress is not something you "look into," it's something you get a PhD in. Gnomoria is a good graphical DF-lite that I've been messing around with, but DF is something that either consumes your life, makes you extremely frustrated, or both.
lol /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
Oh. It's not chat.
It's not, surprisingly
@sehe oh lucky you man! you're going to be rich!!!
@BartekBanachewicz what? the tiny bit of stuff it takes to make solar panels? Why would I worry about that? There are huge fields of raw resources to dig up. By sticking to pure solar I minimise pollution and thus minimise agro on bitters. And why would I not ensure I can run full capacity 24/7?
I've got like a 100 panels now, and due to efficiency modules only like 15 of them, but then I am backed up a good bit whilst I expand my factory. The main thing is ensuring I have accumulators enough to run over night. I'm at like 250MJ and that nearly runs out over night. But recharges nice and quick due to all the panels.
08:40
@thecoshman lol I thought you were talking about real solar panels.
polar sanels
@sehe polars anels
that totes works
Just so we're all clear. OP is using Opera 12.16. It's the almost latest and greatest. Some misunderstanding has arisen due to the useragent's format. However, they're not running an ancient version. It's new. It's fresh. It's Norwegian. — J. Steen 11 mins ago
lol
That came as a surprise.
08:46
@sehe Nigerian US soldier
@sehe why don't you get an extension thingy to tweak the CSS to use a large font size? Fair enough they should design their CSS to cater for high res/dpi screens, but you know what it's like getting them to do anything worthwhile.
@thecoshman It's not the same thing, chap. And also, that's just layering on more cruft. I don't believe in that
@CatPlusPlus Precisely
I broke dicsourse again
@sehe well yeah, there's more to it then just font size. Plus, if your anything like, it will start out just tweaking the site to work better on your screen, then soon start to bloat with crap you don't really need but it's fun to toy with.
I clicked New Topic, then hid it, then started to edit, and now it can't be cancelled
08:52
@CatPlusPlus hihi
And it's stuck on 'create a new topic' but with contents of the edited post
@thecoshman they are butt ugly, take shitload of space and in general I feel that stacking up solar into oblivion is meh
but then again, my new approach is to scale in space
I was building way too tight
I've realized that when I've managed to run the first train
@BartekBanachewicz vOv it's a factory, it's not meant to be pretty, it's meant to be functional. They do take up space, but then there is huge amounts of land. I have them off away from my main build area.
yeah it's cool if you do it that way
I've my oil rigs also a bit away, connected by a train, but still too close
it's my first run, I'm also mostly experimenting anyway :V
@BartekBanachewicz I've still got my two starting deposits of copper and iron so no need for trains yet. Coal is a bit further away, but I don't use it now, will do soon when I start pumping out the plastic fantastic.
08:56
my factory is far from percect
Can you put the oil directly into trains? Don't you need to barrel it first?
@thecoshman I have deployed another iron mining site of 6 drills and I'm still able to grind trough all that in realtime
@thecoshman I process it on-site
I send plastics and solid fuel on trains
@BartekBanachewicz I've been focusing on getting my full pipeline up and running first.
@thecoshman it took me like 2 minutes though. I'll show you, it's lolsosimple
@BartekBanachewicz I've got enough local oil fields for now. You know, they never run out? they get really slow production, but never run out.
08:58
@thecoshman yea
@BartekBanachewicz sure, pictures a go go

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