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9:00 AM
This is a list of all Wikipedia's articles on millennia: == Past == BC 10th millennium BC 9th millennium BC 8th millennium BC 7th millennium BC 6th millennium BC 5th millennium BC 4th millennium BC 3rd millennium BC 2nd millennium BC 1st millennium BC AD 1st millennium 2nd millennium == Future == 3nd millennium (current millennium) 4th millennium 5th millennium 6th millennium 7th millennium 8th millennium 9th millennium 10th millennium == See also == List of years List of decades List of centuries...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There’s a list of years, too.
 
@LucDanton Too dangerous for the browser.
 
New reduced testcase is 170 lines :(
 
Years are longer there.
 
user1804599
9:10 AM
Right, because some years didn't occur in Canada.
 
sehe@desktop:~$ qalc
> 225 square feet

  225 * square(foot) = 20.903184 m^2
Thanks, qalculate. Even though your input grammar is horrific, you're a big help
 
seems like regular english to me.
 
user1804599
Steve has square feet.
 
@Rapptz I mean, when you're not hitting the jackpot like this. It's really rather finicky, but sometimes it JustWorks
 
9:25 AM
Ah.
 
@LucDanton Thank you so much. My brain just went kaboom
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you guys are planning to just hang out at the SPIEL all day and play ALL the things?
 
@Xeo Something like that, I guess.
 
Ok then.
Damn. Botched the link and flag gone
 
@Xeo Then when we get back home we'll play EVEN MORE things.
 
Xeo
9:32 AM
Yeah, D&D on Sunday for me prolly, so 3-day SPIEL, I guess.
 
> Designing a Reporting System using Flyweight and Factory Method Design Pattern
Something makes me not want to click this LinkedIn "C++ professionals group"
 
Well, there are 600 games at the expo, so we'd be hard pressed to play 'em all, but we'll try :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes when is it?
 
Xeo
Thursday-Sunday
 
user1804599
Ugh, this spamfilter can't block Chinese spam because it fails at Unicode.
 
9:40 AM
That means it's not a spamfilter
Which is it?
 
user1804599
SpamAssassin
 
Wahahaha. That's not like it's widely used anyway :(
 
user1804599
What.
 
user1804599
Why does ack not print anything. :|
 
user1804599
Oh wait, I want AWK not ack.
 
9:45 AM
@rightføld Impressive.
 
@rightføld Impressive
 
@rightføld Impressiv
 
ackward
 
user1804599
I want sort, not AWK, anyway.
 
Why was this vid in the related vids for CppCon talks? youtube.com/watch?v=TTF9pnjOgkA
@rightføld make your mind up
 
user1804599
9:48 AM
Well I should filter with AWK first.
 
user1804599
Otherwise huge memory consumption.
 
sort only uses huge memory if enough is available, that's a feature.
Now, if you actually meant "huge runtime consumption", filtering might make sense.
 
user1804599
du -a | awk '{ if ($1 > 20000) print $0 }' | sort -nr | head yay
 
Ugh,
That's selection.
 
@rightføld find -size +20000 -printf... or coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/32a9bc274626713a
 
user1804599
9:57 AM
I have never used find.
 
user1804599
ls, echo, globbing and grep have always worked fine for me. :P
 
Down to 10 lines of compact fun, anyone want to try their hand at reducing it further?
 
That last line is golden.
 
At least GCC only freaks out on inane stuff.
 
10:01 AM
1 hour ago, by Luc Danton
Although interestingly enough I did not produce the original code by wildly banging on my keyboard.
 
user1804599
I.e. all C++ code.
 
Morning
 
4/10 too much cream
I like to chew on my cakes :D
 
user1804599
@Sofffia yummy
 
It's "Ferrero Rocher Cheesecake" btw
 
user1804599
10:07 AM
That shit is tasty.
 
Xeo
cheesecake <3
 
@AlexM. But so moist.
 
user1804599
KWARK
 
Time to file! Breaks 4.8, 4.9 and 5.0.
 
> Update: Final cow found dead following seven-hour standoff which saw marksmen shoot two escaped cows in Norwich
 
10:14 AM
> Officials in Dallas are trying to figure out how a nurse who had treated Thomas Eric Duncan before he died last week became infected despite wearing protective gear.
Not good
 
isn't that the nurse who touched her face with the gloves?
no that was someone else
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes giggidy
 
user1804599
I want AWK quasiquoting in Haskell.
 
morning friends
 
@sehe Yeah, that's what I do as well. SO answers should be self-contained if possible.
 
user1804599
10:32 AM
QSE looks nice.
 
user1804599
> class MySed: protected QSE::StdSed
 
user1804599
dat protected inheritance
 
> I’m a software developer, dealing mostly in web things. I’m also (more importantly) a committed Christian—please talk to me at any time about that.
> (more importantly)
also hi
 
user1804599
> qse_setdflcmgr :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wonder why Herb didn't mention anywhere that this is how it's done in D. Perhaps to avoid another static if like fiasco from Bjarne?
 
user1804599
10:43 AM
Screw it, I want PCRE anyway.
 
Bjarne doesn't care if it comes from D.
I don't think anyone in this room liked static if iirc.
 
the iphone 6 actually looks good
 
@Rapptz I might do, just to special :P
 
bending issues aside, I'd totally use one
 
user1804599
It's not a Nokia so it's terrible.
 
10:48 AM
static if undermined the need for concepts.
 
user1804599
SFINEE DAT IS NIET ZO
 
user1804599
s/the/one/
 
user1804599
@sehe fornicating?
 
user1804599
CaliFORNICATIOn
 
> There is no breaking change
except SFINAE tricks.
 
user1804599
10:50 AM
SFINAE tricks Herb!
 
@rightføld ew, who wants a windows phone?
 
user1804599
Not all Nokia phones run Windows, you silly pirate.
 
Silly ... thing... that's not how you tar with the same brush.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman o/
 
@thecoshman I have one.
 
Xeo
10:57 AM
@Rapptz always depends on which static if you're talking about
 
context
 
Xeo
there were three things or so conflated in one thing called "static if"
 
@Puppy we all make mistakes.
 
Xeo
> Additionally allow “this” in not only the first parameter location
ugh what
 
works for me
probably already close to supporting it for binary operators in Wide, now that I come to think of it.
 
Xeo
11:06 AM
No, that's just horrible
At least from the example, it seems like it tries all possible positions for "this" in the argument list
 
hmm
whereas I already have a kind of explicit this support
all I'd have to do is support putting it in different locations.
 
Xeo
> The meaning is that we allow x.f(a,b) to invoke functions that could be invoked by moving x into any position in the parameter list, i.e., functions that could be invoked by y.f(x,a,b), y.f(a,x,b), or y.f(a,b,x).
 
What should I call a special concept that’s never fulfilled?
 
user1804599
htop is so terrible.
 
user1804599
It changes the current selection when it updates, and even when you're in a modal like the signal selector.
 
Xeo
11:14 AM
@LucDanton "absurd"?
 
Ta.
Um, is there a StreamInsertable concept somewhere? I’m not sure what constraints should apply to the result type of out << x.
I suppose out should be convertible to that type. Also ContextualBool?
 
Xeo
The result type should itself prolly satisfy StreamInsertable<result_t, decltype(x)> and be (contextually) convertible to bool?
 
@Xeo That first (recursive) requirement makes the concept diverge ;)
 
Xeo
@LucDanton I wouldn't require the out -> result_t conversion
 
At least in most cases.
 
Xeo
11:24 AM
@LucDanton Hm, okay, add the condition that either out = result_t or StreamInsertable<result_t, decltype(x)>
or something like that
can't think
 
Sensible.
Mmmh, I kinda didn’t plan on expr<decltype( … ), expr_req, expr_req>. How does CL handle that?
requires(Type const& x, Stream& stream) -> { { stream << x } -> ContextualBool; { stream << x } -> …recurse here…; } I suppose.
 
Xeo
actually
the result type should just be convertible to bool, period, I think.
 
You don’t expect stream << x << x to make sense?
 
Xeo
Since you may not want to insert a decltype(x) afterwards anyways
@LucDanton it might not make sense in certain cases, dunno
just thinking out loud
if x is a stream modifier or something
that could make sure at the type-level that it isn't applied twice, by returning a wrapper from out << x
 
I’m okay with that not being stream insertable. (While the two types ‘before’ and ‘after’ would be!)
 
Xeo
11:31 AM
hm
 
Also I’m a bit sloppy, the top concept is going to be StreamInsertable<Type, Stream = std::ostream&>. Think void foo(StreamInsertable item); (not sure if CL allows elision of the <> in the presence of a defaulted parameter but oh well). Tangential point though.
 
@LucDanton Pretty sure that C++ in general does not permit eliding an empty <> for no explicit template params.
 
Does that matter?
 
@LucDanton I think in CL you'd have T& in place of ...recurse here..., where T is the first type parameter of the concept variable or concept function
 
@Puppy If I ask ‘Does ConceptLite allow for void concise(Iterator i);’ is ‘Pretty sure that C++ in general does not permit dispensing with template<…>’ a sensible answer?
 
11:38 AM
template<typename T> concept Stream = requires(...) { ...; { stream << x } -> T&; }
 
@LucDanton Oh I thought you were talking about, e.g. template<typename T = void> struct X {}; X x;
 
Xeo
you both were, I think.
 
I read CL as cl.exe, as in MSVC.
 
Xeo
I think he just misunderstood your reply
 
@Xeo No.
He explicitly said CL, i.e. Concepts Lite.
 
Xeo
11:40 AM
I'm talking about the elided <>
 
@AndyProwl If f is an std::ofstream, f << 1 does not have type std::ofstream&.
 
> not sure if CL allows elision of the <>
 
Xeo
@Rapptz yes, and puppy was talking about that too: "eliding an empty <> for no explicit template params." (admittedly in the context of "general C++" because he thought Luc meant MSVC). I think Luc just misunderstood what puppy meant.
 
I was perplexed by the ‘in general’, yep.
Trivial for the always fulfilled concept?
 
Xeo
"Useless" :P
 
11:42 AM
or Any or Void
 
@AndyProwl I don’t think that’s quite right for Any (the identity element for disjunction is false), and Void is a bit misleading (he says, while he uses void_t all the time).
In fact, the ‘interesting’ bit of Trivial is requires() -> all_of<>;.
 
to me "trivial" does not sound enough "universal" though
 
Xeo
especially in the presence of "TriviallyCopyable" etc
 
Type.
 
@Rapptz I think it’s makes more sense to pick a more meta name. It’s going to appear in things like conditional_t<foo, blah, Trivial<X>/Absurd<X>> and so on.
 
11:50 AM
Identity?
iunno
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 3 hours ago, by Shadow Wizard
@InfiniteRecursion rule #21: if a user put avatar of a beautiful girl, this is a male user.
giggle
 
lol people were stalking your facebook
what a time to be alive
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 4 hours ago, by Infinite Recursion
@ShadowWizard I hope she returns
haha
 
@LucDanton Why not just name them Success and Failure then? That's what they actually do.
 
@Rapptz yes indeed
now why is my FB reachable from SO
ah, blah, SE profile out of date
 
11:52 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
WTF, I'm getting unexplained linker errors.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Explain please.
 
@Puppy Don’t think they work that well. ‘The success concept is the concept that is always fulfilled’ vs ‘The trivial concept is the concept that is always fulfilled’ (objections regarding trivially copyable aside for the moment).
 
The most common commit message in our repo is "msvc build fix".
 
11:55 AM
> Believe it or not, some applications still require ascii and don't play well with unicode.
 
"Intellisense tools"
 
@LucDanton Always(Fulfilled) and Never(Fulfilled)?
 
? I can’t invent syntax.
 
I meant Always and Never or, if that's too cryptic, AlwaysFulfilled and NeverFulfilled
 
12:00 PM
Concepts::Yes and Concepts::No.
I’ll sleep on it. Getting hard to think about stuff.
> error: incomplete type 'Concepts::detail::and_<…>' used in nested name specifier
^needless to say, the use of the type appears after all definitions of and_.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz lol more indirection
 
And now an incomplete use of std::conditional.
 
Ugh I have to write docs
 
@CatPlusPlus careful, that much fun should be moderated.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton You're on a run
 
12:15 PM
@rightføld Most abhorrent use of smiley there. Anyways, golfed it a little since I just returned from getting/bringing the kids to/fro school and doing the groceries:
#include <ftw.h>
#include <stdio.h>
int main() {
    return nftw(".", [](char const*fpath, struct stat const*sb, int tflag, FTW*){
            return FTW_F==tflag && 20000<sb->st_size && printf("%lu\t%s\n", sb->st_size, fpath), 0;
        }, 20, FTW_DEPTH|FTW_MOUNT|FTW_PHYS);
}
Who said C++ is not a productive language :)
 
user1804599
Yum, chorizo.
 
@rightføld his penis, obviously?
 
user1804599
Do you even get the joke?
 
@Xeo Nice. We should meet there.
 
user1804599
Or is this a case of the Mondays s?
 
12:19 PM
@rightføld I think so, m8; But I'm not sure I can trust the source of that though
 
user1804599
fortune told me.
 
@rightføld Did you even get the alternative joke?
 
user1804599
It runs every time I start Z shell.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes ye. Thursday is already "verplant" (how the heck to you say that in English?), though.
 
Planned out?
 
12:20 PM
That's a bug. It's useless and takes resources.
 
Scheduled?
 
Fully booked, taken
 
user1804599
@sehe It's fun and I don't give a shit about said resources.
 
Xeo
Hm. Doesn't quite have the same feeling to it.
 
@rightføld Okay, so you appreciate my return jokes too !
 
user1804599
12:21 PM
 
ergh... if you're going to make a site return fuck all then load the actual content via ajax, make sure it fucking works would ya.
 
Ugh, uncurlable ajax bullshit.
 
as in curl... odd way of putting it, but yeah.
I don't think it helps that this work laptop is really needing to be repalced
 
You need to be repalced, pal.
 
I do, my fucks tank is empty.
 
12:26 PM
Hmmm, I think I can rub salt in the wounds.
 
go for it dick butt
 
Why would you do that
 
Not my wounds.
 
Still
 
I think I've found a reason why maybe our Jira system at work is shit slow, it seems to be full of crap that nobody is actually using
 
12:28 PM
@Sofffia My enemy's wounds.
 
so many boards, such duplication
@R.MartinhoFernandes like I said, go for it
 
That would allow extensibility
Or something similar to "open-classes".
 
It only actually allows syntax.
 
the new building we've been moved into is 2 mins away from mcdonald's :(
I'll have to climb the 7 stories on foot everyday to make up for it
 
So if I define RetType func(X&, Y);, then any X have x.func(y)
It's like opening the class and adding func as a member function.
 
12:36 PM
I don't think so, func() won't have access to the non-public data members of X
it's just notation
 
:C
 
Xeo
extension method, if you will
 
Does this mean that with int x[10] I would be able to call x.begin()?
I didn't read the whole thing.
 
@Sofffia What?
Don't tell me you like that Ruby bullshit.
 
12:39 PM
I don't even like classes
 
I like Bjarne's email address
 
Classes are so monolithic
 
Xeo
I think making x.f(y) and f(x, y) equivalent at this point in C++'s life is... hard. Because it will surely break things.
 
rubby
 
also it's not terribly needed IMO
 
12:40 PM
@Xeo More overloads! You get an overload! And you get an overload!
Overloads for everyone!
 
How much BS would it be to have something like using const { ... } to make const the default in that context?
 
very
 
I thought you'd say that
 
> note: cannot convert 'out' (type 'std::basic_ofstream<char>') to type 'std::ostream& {aka std::basic_ostream<char>&}'
 
What context?
 
12:42 PM
^sanity check pls
 
@Sofffia inside the using { ... }
 
@LucDanton Lvalue-to-rvalue.
 
ooo methinks I need <fstream>
 
the lhs is an rvalue of type Derived, the rhs is an lvalue ref of type Base.
also that.
 
@AndyProwl I don't get it. Is this unrelated to what we are discussing above? Do you mean a random block so that using const { int x; } would effectively be { const int x; }?
 
12:44 PM
@Sofffia yes, unrelated. And yes, as you wrote
 
@LucDanton compiler messages still excellent :S
 
Most of the time my variables are actually const. If they're not it's because I forgot to add it
 
inb4 int main() using const { ... }
 
Hey all. I'm using Eclipse (actually LiClipse with CDT 8.3) for C and am surprised to find I have no code completion, argument suggestion or any of those IDE features I would expect. Those features should be there, right?
 
there are exceptions of course, but the default should be const IMO
 
12:45 PM
Yup
 
@foobarbecue for C? buzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Any idea what might be wrong?
 
You haven't checked the docs. You even ask us whether it's a feature. I predict the number of users of LiCipse approaches 0
 
You mean, except trying to write C?
 
@sehe Might be that the follow-up messages made it a bit more obvious! I didn’t check though.
 
12:46 PM
I would get my head checked if I was to willingly want to write C
 
@LucDanton I do that too :/
 
eh? I'm trying to patch up some ancient seismic code.
 
@Sofffia Except, if you did, you wouldn't have basic sanity, meaning you wouldn't necessarily get your head checked either
> seismic code
He knows we sometime mumble
 
So... any helpful suggestions here, or just mumbling trolls?
11
 
I would just get sent to some mental hospital
 
12:47 PM
(This is my first time trying out the SO chat rooms)
(So I'm honestly not sure)
 
"seismic code" must be related to "hockey programming" and "boat programming"
 
It doesn't matter that it's liclipse, it's CDT.
 
@foobarbecue Just mumbling trolls who are reluctant to read the docs for you.
 
@foobarbecue I'm not a mumbling troll
 
vim best IDE
 
12:48 PM
I'm just a troll
 
Ok, good
 
Bye
 
@foobarbecue Ah. Well, that stuff usually WorksForMe. Did you try Stack Overflow or Super User?
 
@foobarbecue No, yes
 
@AlexM. Sorry I took mumble offline for you
 
Xeo
12:49 PM
@sehe I'm nomming cake, and IRTA Snack Overflow.
 
@sehe You bitch.
 
Sorry.
 
We have a Mumble keep calm
 
@foobarbecue then I'd suggest reading the rules before dumping questions :) You can find them on the starboard. But in general yes, trolling level is quite high in here
 
loungecpp.net
 
12:49 PM
don't panic
 
@CatPlusPlus Not very well advertised
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Can I press the PANIC button?
 
@sehe, which docs do you reccomend -- CDT help I guess you mean?
 
I told them where this info can be found
Not my fault everyone is bad at following instructions
 
@foobarbecue no.
 
12:50 PM
@Sofffia loungecpp.net/w/Procrastination_Station (discoverabilty < minimum)
> them
Trololol
 
I just want to sleep all day today
 
@foobarbecue Anyone of the top links here: lmgtfy.com/?q=cdt+completion
 
Xeo
@Sofffia me too
 
I also
ate some beef meatballs last night that didn't agree with me too closely
 
Xeo
my day's almost over though
 
12:52 PM
tell me about it, haven't slept a wink
 
but I made myself get up because running the build takes over two hours.
 
Xeo
@Puppy I also wouldn't agree with being eaten
 
(follow @LoungeCpp for service status updates and stuff there is rss also probably)
 
@StackedCrooked TIL @StackedCrooked monitors mentions of Coliru in the lounge
 
@Xeo Most of them are too dead to disagree.
 
12:52 PM
@AndyProwl, aha! Found the rules, thanks.
 
Xeo
@Puppy Well there's the problem - "most".
 
(also follow me because I occasionally give the internet the gift of my humour)
 
Xeo
abandon ship
 
@foobarbecue No problem. Also, when you want to reply to a specific message, use the arrow on the right - otherwise it will be linked to the last message by the user you're pinging, which is confusing
 
Why are flags still a thing?
 
12:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus Which is fine because it shuts up half the internet during the subsequent recovery period
 
@Sofffia Because countries
 
SO.chat flags, silly :3
 
@AndyProwl inb4 gif
 
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
 
12:55 PM
yeah I know
 
Xeo
PUBIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
 
RUBIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
 
cubic
 
PUBIC SERVILE ENDOWMENT
See. We're not mumbling at all
 
you're all craPUBIC SERVITUDE ANNOUNCEMENT
 
12:57 PM
@AndyProwl Wow, all these features. Not your grandaddy's IRC channel...
 
"foobarbecue" is a clever name
I like it
 
@foobarbecue you'll find it has its own problems once you get familiar with it, but in general it's not bad
 

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