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8:00 PM
@CaptainGiraffe I think B. Schneier has something about that on his blog. Just use a few rounds of (different) algos and it will be harder for them :/
 
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@DeadMG That's already widely known.
 
The best approach is still deniability a-la truecrypt, just store your data inside a (much larger) container, initialized with strong random, and make sure you use encryption that preserves random distribution of data (I think AES fits that, but look at what truecrypt uses(
@not-rightfold ba-dum----... nah
 
user1804599
% badum zsh
 
Ell
xD
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
8:03 PM
I don't want deniability I want my DH key exchange safe.
 
user1804599
Me and my parents are sitting on the sofa in front of the TV. I'm on my laptop, dad's on his laptop, mom's on her tablet.
 
user1804599
It's so cosy.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion how's getting the same question multiple times per day.
 
@not-rightfold Why would you be on your laptops. You're doing it wrong!
 
user1804599
Lidl ftw.
 
8:05 PM
@not-rightfold he knows about that
@not-rightfold ? they sell laptop seats?
 
user1804599
I want a watermelon milkshake.
 
user1804599
@sehe They have good snoep.
 
why would anyone want that
 
@ÓlafurWaage snoep = candy
 
user1804599
Read: winegums, but not Red Band's (latter is :puke:).
 
user1804599
And ALDI has good energy drink.
 
user1804599
Fuck A-brands.
 
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@Ell Buy it.
 
Ell
Aldi has the best gin in the uk
@not-rightfold I can't afford it yet :(
 
@not-rightfold wut?
 
user1804599
8:08 PM
@TonyTheLion see the one above.
 
@ScottW Job is fucking AWESOME. I love it!!! Yay!!! :) :)
@not-rightfold hahah. I don't mind. :)
 
user1804599
 
@TonyTheLion glad to hear that :)
 
Ell
blender is amazing.
If I was rich I would give them lots of money
 
8:10 PM
@Ell making a milkshake? huehuehue
 
Ell
you too <3
 
@TonyTheLion Happy to find someone who shares my feelings about his employment.
 
user1804599
News presenter is hot.
 
Time to try out Cinder.
 
@ScottW :)
@CaptainGiraffe Cool man!! We can have a party together :)
 
user1804599
8:12 PM
MILF.
 
@ScottW I love you too <3
 
@TonyTheLion During business hours =9
 
urgh
I'm so fucking sick
 
oh puppy, I wish I could help you.
Damnit, its frustrating that I can't come and kick your ass into gear so you can finally have a life.
 
8:13 PM
it's not my ass that needs kicking
try the gallbladder
 
I won't kick you where it hurts
 
user1804599
@ScottW GEAR <3
 
right now, I'm debating the merits of drinking, and therefore consuming things and feeling even sicker, compared to being thirsty forever.
 
does drinking water also make it worse?
@ScottW You need to get into gear <3
 
@TonyTheLion Consuming anything can make it worse.
 
user1804599
8:15 PM
Can't you get a new gallbladder from a donor?
 
@ScottW Everything, the problem domain, the people, the location, the work, and I even like my new manager. :)
@DeadMG Fuck sake. :(
 
@TonyTheLion I wish you well at this new and happy place.
 
user1804599
Puppy please don't die. :(
 
@not-rightfold It's a non-essential organ. You don't need a new one.
@TonyTheLion Actually, that was an understatement. For the last few weeks, consuming anything does make it worse.
 
user1804599
Go to Romania. They'll remove it for ten dollars.
 
8:17 PM
for the last like, nine months, I've been subsiding almost exclusively on cheese sandwiches and fruit and yoghurt; but now they both seem to be poisonous
leaving me with the two options of "Hunger due to eating literally nothing" or "Sickness"
and I'm not even sure if those two are exclusive anymore.
 
@DeadMG find a doctor that can take it out
 
user1804599
@DeadMG Why don't they remove it?
 
user1804599
Dentists don't like to remove teeth because they make money only off living teeth.
 
Ell
living teeth?
 
maybe your doctor makes money off gallbladders
@Ell real
 
8:20 PM
@not-rightfold Well, for some subset of the population, you can get nasty side effects. Also, it's kinda a permanent thing to lose one of your internal organs. You can't exactly decide to put it back.
 
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@Ell Well, IIRC they're made of cells.
 
@A.H. I have an appointment for next Wednesday. It's just not soon enough.
 
The author of the book goes on to explain how acquire/release ordering semantics are valuable /at all/ then, but I'm not comfortable lecturing out of his book for more than I already did. If you don't already have it, you can buy the book at manning.com/williamssehe 40 secs ago
 
Ell
@DeadMG I guess you don't have the option of private healthcare?
 
nop
 
8:22 PM
Go to the emergency
they have to treat you there
 
no, they have to assess you.
 
if its unbearable, just go. Fuck everything else, its your health, and you should get it looked at.
 
user1804599
assassinate
 
Ell
The emergency room is for emergencies
 
there's nothing stopping them saying "Oh, you have a non-serious illness, fuck off and go home, wait to deal with your GP".
 
8:23 PM
@DeadMG well, that's better than nothing
 
@DeadMG stab it on the door to the emergency room
 
@Ell if you can't eat cause pretty much everything makes you sick, what is that?
 
user1804599
Go to the Netherlands.
 
user1804599
We still have Samsom, so you get free healthcare and money if you're a foreigner.
 
I'm trying to heat soup and it wasn't heating up and I just realized I turned on the wrong thingy on the hob.
I'm a dumbass :/
2
 
Ell
8:25 PM
@TonyTheLion well, seeing as he's been seen by doctors before then I wouldn't call it an emergency
 
@TonyTheLion Eh, it'd still take a couple weeks if not more before malnutrition becomes a serious issue.
 
@ScottW oh baby, you're my beloved.
 
Ell
I'm not trying to belittle the condition, it's just less on the "urgency" scale I would say. But hey - what do I know.
The worst thing health wise I've suffered from is dehydration
 
@DeadMG I still think you should do something sooner rather than later, and not let it escalate. Don't feel bad for making someone deal with you.
 
@TonyTheLion I have an appt at the docs in a couple days.
 
8:26 PM
good
 
but the simple fact is, there is no immediate treatment for gallstones- you can't just take a drug and you can't just walk in and get the surgery
 
@ScottW No.
 
the only thing they could do if I went to A&E is painkillers
and even then, I had bad reactions to some painkillers in the past so I'm not even sure if that would be a wise move.
 
Ell
are you on painkillers at the minute?
ah
 
> Gallstone disease is relatively straightforward to treat. The most widely used treatment is keyhole surgery to remove the gallbladder.
> Gallstones are the most common cause of emergency hospital admission for people with abdominal pain.
 
user1804599
8:30 PM
Man.
 
user1804599
I want to vote for two parties. :<
 
@ScottW NO. Baby, you need to be alive.
I need you. <3
 
@DeadMG asses?
 
Actually, I read about this guy that "toughed out" a heart attack (in the US) because he couldn't afford the insurance.
WTF??
 
@not-rightfold did I miss an election?
@TonyTheLion +1
 
user1804599
8:32 PM
@sehe next election.
 
@not-rightfold you eager bitch :/
 
I can handle a lot of pain, but I don't think I could "tough out" a heart attack.
@sehe lol
 
user1804599
@sehe The current government is terrible.
 
@sehe Is that another way of saying "I agree that this is WTF"?
 
Ell
@not-rightfold aren't they all?
 
8:33 PM
@TonyTheLion I think a heart attack involves a lot more anxiety than pain
@TonyTheLion obviously
 
user1804599
76 seats for PVV and 74 seats for LP would be awesome.
 
user1804599
Ideal country.
 
@Ell Yup. Only the perception changes once you're in it
 
@sehe I don't know, I've never had one, but I don't they're particularly comfortable. Anxiety or not.
 
Ell
A coalition is less than ideal
 
8:34 PM
Belgium has like 7 political parties
 
Ell
yet all governments suck :3
 
its a bit mad
 
Ell
(apart from tories yo)
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion We have way more.
 
Politics
 
8:34 PM
@Ell A dictator is much simpler
 
@ScottW you crazy.
 
user1804599
@sehe OK
 
@sehe Yea, lets all move to NK.
 
This article lists political parties in the Netherlands. The Netherlands has a multi-party system with numerous political parties, in which any one party has little chance of gaining power alone, and parties often work with each other to form coalition governments. The lower house of the legislature, the House of Representatives, is elected by a national party-list system of proportional representation. There is no threshold for getting a seat, making it possible for a party to get a seat with only two-thirds percent of the vote—roughly one seat for every 60,000 votes. Since this syst...
 
thanks for the English.
Who needs Dutch???
lol
 
8:35 PM
@TonyTheLion In that vein, you could elect a better dictator :/ Move to one that doesn't suck quite so badly
 
I have a noobish question about typedefs in namespaces: I have a typedef in a namespace. It works fine within the namespace, but outside of that it cannot find it, it says "namespace XYZ has no member mydef"
 
@sehe most boring topic ever
 
@sehe true.
 
user1804599
@CBenni SSCCE.
 
@ScottW oh yea. <3 How's the German coming along?
 
8:36 PM
Großartig!
 
oh, you been too busy doing other things?
@ScottW Is that going good?
 
user1804599
Ugh SGP.
 
as, you don't have to live off dry bread and water yet?
 
user1804599
Awesome.
 
user1804599
I'm going to Barcelona on my birthday. :D
 
Ell
8:37 PM
Woo!
A holiday?
 
@ScottW :)
 
user1804599
@Ell 23rd; Christmas.
 
I want to travel during Xmas
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Go to Barcelona.
 
No
Prolly USA
I won't
 
user1804599
8:39 PM
@TonyTheLion You're going to hook up with Scott aren't you.
 
@ScottW oh yes I will.
I have some really good friends there, and I love going there to visit them.
lol
 
well
 
If I have a std::vector of std::unique_ptr. And I want to pop_back and get the last element. I would need to first do something like std::move(back()) then pop_back() right?
 
I'm gonna try and sneak in some sleep
 
user1804599
When I have a shitload of money I'm going to found rightfoldtopia.
 
8:40 PM
see you all maybe in like 20 minutes, or preferably more like 10-12 hours
 
user1804599
bye pups
 
lets just say 10 hours. Have a good night.
 
@Mysticial Yep. A T pop() style operation is only valid if T guarantees noexcept move, which is not written in the requirements.
 
oh baby, we could have a fuck fest.
 
So I got a new router.
 
8:41 PM
I have a router, and it works quite well.
 
And I found out my card doesn't do 5GHz lol.
 
I'm going to watch the last BB episode now
 
Oh well, the upgrade from G to N helps in any case, and 2.4 might actually be better for me.
 
user1804599
I want to watch MLP: FiM season 4. :(
 
8:42 PM
@DeadMG Is that an actual method in C++11? Or is std::move(v.back()) and v.pop_back() still the only way?
 
hahah
anyway I'll be back later
yea
Walt is a bit crazy
 
At least I can't find a returning pop() or pop_back() in C++11 std::vector.
 
lol yea
Hank is fucked really
his investigation is dead
 
@Mysticial You can make your own
 
8:46 PM
@Rapptz I figured as such.
 
Try not to return a reference to a temporary
:P
 
user1804599
Gah.
 
user1804599
This weekend is so boring.
 
user1804599
I need a fun project.
 
Ell
@not-rightfold do you know opengl?
 
user1804599
8:51 PM
No, and I'm not interested in anything that is even remotely related to graphics.
 
Ell
Actually, just write a nice wrapper for FreeImage
 
user1804599
And if I need to understand linear algebra for it then I'm not going to do it either.
 
user1804599
Please no. :(
 
user1804599
I don't want to do any work outside of my job anymore.
 
user1804599
I already have way too little time for my own projects.
 
8:53 PM
@ScottW the video, yes
 
user1804599
9:12 PM
I'm so fucking bored.
 
user1804599
@ScottW I don't know. I have never worked with SSL.
 
79 time machines. I feel compelled to get the achievement for 100.
 
@ScottW hahaha. With no requirements? I can do you up for one :/
@chris 99 Luftballons
 
@ScottW For what?
 
Ell
@not-rightfold do something networking!
game or some shiz
 
user1804599
9:15 PM
Game development is the worst subbranch of IT.
 
user1804599
It's worse than web development and mobile app development.
 
user1804599
But yeah, networking is fun.
 
You can get class 1 certificate for free from StartSSL
 
@CatPlusPlus Eh. I didn't know that either. Limits?
 
user1804599
I want to write something in C.
 
9:18 PM
@sehe Only one domain + subdomain.
Well, per certificate. You can have as many domains as you want.
 
user1804599
@ScottW use RSA and JavaScript. *runs*
 
@CatPlusPlus Good enough for me.
@CatPlusPlus That's even better.
 
evening lounge
 
Comodo has wildcard certs for ~100$/year.
 
or morning for those with derailed schedules
 
9:23 PM
@not-rightfold really?
 
No, he's a fillthy liar!
 
lol @Mysticial singleton factories
^
 
When I have a typedef in a .hpp, isnt it available in other .hpps that include the first .hpp?
because that is happening to me
 
user1804599
I'm going to design a shell language.
 
@CBenni Yes it is. See Stack Overflow. However, I'm willing to call duplicate header guards (or namespaces, or typos) :/
 
9:27 PM
I have quadruple checked it
and have been unable to reproduce it
 
Who did work with the Slackware here?
 
but not a single typedef from that file is available elsewhere
mmh
restarting VS fixed it
might have been a intellisense issue
 
@CBenni Then there is no problem!
 
true
 
@GeloVolro "the Slackware"?
 
9:30 PM
thanks anyways
 
@CBenni oh god. condolences about Untellisense (next time, try compiling :))
 
?
 
@sehe I need to add a word "distro" for using the, sorry, it's about grammar only, but about Slackware is another question.
 
@CBenni Kudos for getting a valid cause that I didn't predict.
 
mmh, I could have tried. too much confidence into Intellisense
@sehe lol
I have only once had issues with Intellisense
and that was back in 2005
 
9:32 PM
@GeloVolro I didn't. But I bet it's more interesting if others respond (optionally) if their answer differs from mine
@CBenni quick, file for the big prize, I'm sure that's a high score
 
hahahahaha
 
@CBenni amazing
 
hmmmm
 
4
Q: Why does this basic thread program fail with Clang but pass in g++?

template boyI have this simple program that works with threads. In Clang I get a bunch of confusing irrelevant errors. Here is the program: #include <iostream> #include <thread> #include <future> int main() { std::packaged_task<int()> task([] { return 1; }); std::future<int> result = task.get_future(...

%&$#$%@#$
 
What about it?
 
Ell
9:45 PM
man I need to make an opengl height map thing
but I'm so tired
it will have to wait 'till another time
 
I'm officially repwhoring now. I answered a VBA question :/ stackoverflow.com/a/18678204/85371
 
@sehe ...and some people accuse me of being a repwhore; I certainly never stooped that low though. :-)
 
lol
repwhores be repwhores
 
Being fair, however: somebody using VBA probably needs all the help he can get, and more besides.
 
@JerryCoffin Also, it's not repwhoring, actually; it's more like "I think I still remember how to do this"
 
@sehe Well, I was only assuming you were telling the truth when you said: "I'm officially repwhoring now.", but I guess if you're now admitting that you're a horrible, stinking liar, I won't try to argue. :-)
 
I am !
 
@sehe Probably another lie!
 
user1804599
std::string foo("foo");
assert(foo[3] == '\0'); // UB or fine?
 
@not-rightfold Probably both.
 
9:59 PM
I need a vector of futures, and this bug is preventing me from doing that.
 
@JerryCoffin Indeed !
 
@ÓlafurWaage Code? Futures can be moved but not copied, so keeping them in a vector can be a little tricky.
 
I'm emplaceing back std::async
1 sec to paste
 
Ell
Is there a pop back which gives an rvalue reference?
 
Ok, I'm going to step back a bit.
My issue is, I have a bunch of threads, and I need to figure out what threads are done and what threads are still running their thing
First idea was to have a vector of std::thread
but it's tricky to ask if its done
future has a way to ask if the value is ready
 
10:07 PM
@not-rightfold fine as of C++11
 
@Ell Use back() and then pop_back();
oh nvm, thats C++14
 
actually, I'm unsure if it only applies to .c_str()
@Borgleader nope
 
@ÓlafurWaage promises in general have that, so packaged_tasks could fit the bill (gets you away from std::async because it isn't a always-suitable primitive)
 
looking at packaged_task
 
@Rapptz oh youre correct, they were both tagged C++14 but one said until, the other since
my bad
 
10:22 PM
Hello, Monsters!
 
Ell
Hi
 
@Rapptz It's fine.
 
> But Mr Bruce (allegedly) Schneier - the only way I know this is really you is the SSL cert for the site. Which is issues by Symantec who have been fully cooperating with the NSA .
> I suggest we meet in the usual place to exchange certificates - wear a pink carnation.
8
 
Social Security?
 
user1804599
10:44 PM
@ScottW Use Jekyll.
 
Xeo
Whee, back from D&D
 
Yes, this is what I had in mind for "non-performant". Yet, several helpless performance kittens are weeping silently in a corner. Really, with the input sorted, a simple one-pass algorithm would be so much more performant, and arguably more clear... — sehe 39 secs ago
 
Is there some library that simplifies serializing+sending whole structures of data, including strings+arrays/vectors of non-fixed length via network?
 
@CBenni Boost Serialization or Protobuf (nothing a 10 second search on SO wouldn't reveal)
 
im taking a look at boost:serialisation
always look at boost first before asking >_<
I keep forgetting that
 
10:51 PM
^ that
 
Its been a while since I have last coded stuff in C++, bear with me :D
 
Yay. Welcome back to the club then. I always bear with people (see gravatar)
 
i bearly think its a problem
 
user1804599
@CBenni bear with me: D
 
user1804599
Use D!
 
10:58 PM
meh. I was going for that, @ÓlafurWaage :P
so if I want to send my data via network, I want it to be as compact as possible. what kind of archive do I use?
 

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