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3:00 AM
feeling too optimistic today? take a cold shower!
 
this sounds silly ... or even stupid ...
but I can not log on to my profile on my PC ... I am getting the error "the user profiler service service failed the logon"
 
"user profile can not be loaded"
@melak47 thanks ... for nothing
 
You should get a new PC.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 anytime :)
 
3:05 AM
or I can just do format
 
you can try a repair first
 
Or Google first.
 
In order to repair it, I need to be able to login using the admin account, there is only one account on this PC and it is the account I am trying to log into
 
you can launch a console from the install disk
 
So you can't even login?
Oops, probably not relevant.
 
3:07 AM
I have already googled ...
but let me whine at the same time :D
 
> whine, noun, a long, high-pitched complaining cry: the dog gave a small whine.
So you really are a bitch? :P
 
No apaul. I'll say it slowly for you. Veeeerrrrryyyyy sloooowwly. I have been mentoring a lot of students, helping them with python problems. One person that I respect said, you should go to StackOverflow and answer some of those questions, Alex Martelli is there etc. So a few days later I go to SO. Hoping to become involved. I look at the front page. I see the search bar, I type Python and look at the results. The first one is a question in a competition I am involved in, fun ensues ... get it now? I haven't looked up any other competition questions. I'm just lucky I guess. — user232912 5 mins ago
^^ The first thing in the Python tag is always the Python Troll. So is he the Python Troll? :)
 
while we're whining...my router refused to connect to the internet two nights in a row, saying the dialin server rejected my login data. support says if it happens again, I should call a guy to come and have a look. How's he going to fix their servers from here? with no internet?
 
I hope it is not a virus or worse still - I am hacked ... in which the case I would be so embarrassed
 
If you can't find the troll, then it's you.
 
3:11 AM
@StackedCrooked so when you're alone, you automatically become a troll? oh no!
 
Yes.
Poor second person that joins the community..
 
poor first person. who's he gonna troll when he's all alone
 
I hadn't considered that. How tormenting that must be.
 
@melak47 People still use dial-up? Or is the "dialin server" something else?
 
@Insilico it's somethig else
I couldn't survive on dialup ._.
 
3:18 AM
@melak47 The techs usually have mobile internet or they call someone in the backend on-site.
 
if they can't figure out what happened on their end now, how will it help if they send a guy here after it's already over :p
 
@melak47 I don't know, go ask the tech.
Could be router issues, which would of course require them to be physically present at the site.
 
umm ... I can not reboot into safe mode either ...
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 install disc -> repair tools (or something)
 
Unless your router can be configured from the Internet, which if that's the case then Internet connectivity is the least of your problems.
 
3:21 AM
@Insilico it can. the outtage only lasted a couple hours each time in the middle of the night
 
Burn a linux distro -> run the live cd -> run antivirus scan
 
the tech said the logs show nothing at all.
 
OR memory stick.
 
damn bird came begging for food again
 
Aw that Meta post has been deleted. I just got the popcorn started.
 
3:25 AM
@Insilico the "mods are morons" post?
 
@Borgleader Yup.
 
> deleted by Robert Harvey♦ 4 mins ago
 
@Insilico maybe it was part of a competition to see who could troll the SO mods the best, and they removed it like he wanted? :)
 
the best trolls last forever
I needed to beg to get my troll thread deleted
 
3:28 AM
At one point the OP said "I explained my problem twice, then concluded the mods were morons" or something to that effect. I was going to comment that the OP called everyone morons first, used a terrible analogy in an attempt to explain their position, and then only after much commenting did the OP actually provide an explanation.
 
Hahaha!
It's funny because it's true!
@ScottW you about?
 
Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
 
I don't know what that means.
So what's up guys!
 
@AlecTeal Oh I didn't even know you entered the room until Scott W wrote a reply.
 
@Insilico You can go get your popcorn now
 
3:31 AM
@Insilico I didn't know lied when you said you ignored me until you replied to a message.
 
@AlecTeal I did ignore you. That's why I said I didn't know you entered the room until Scott W wrote a reply.
 
Then you removed that, aww you do love me <3
 
@AlecTeal Yes, I clearly have affection for you.
 
I knew it :)
/me feels like Caboose "Did you miss me Church ( @Insilico )"
 
Oh, he's back.
 
3:41 AM
where do I downvote c++? — dirk Feb 2 '12 at 7:13
 
@Rapptz lol
 
@Rapptz Cute -- but the problem here is really gcc, not C++.
 
Someone in the year 2012 commented on a question asked in 2008.
 
Linking's very annoying
 
@Rapptz lol
 
3:47 AM
@Insilico Pretty routine, really. I probably have a dozen or more downvotes for answers that are simply obsolescent.
 
@Insilico How dare they!
 
Is it me or is the Lounge<C++> wiki not working?
 
You are not working.
 
Okay now it works.
Hmmm it's not working again.
WTF.
 
This is a little off topic, but given that there doesn't appear to be a room for this, I thought this was probably the best place to ask.
 
3:53 AM
(if it's about programming)
 
@LeaHayes Get out!
:P
 
lol, well thanks for the warm welcome :P
It's a GIT question
but subject to discussion
not really StackOverflow material
It'd get closed pretty quick
 
Keep in mind that there's not many people awake atm.
And I know nothing about git.
 
GIT qutestions get tones of upvotes...
 
I want to use GIT in a game project which will by its very nature have media assets. These are subject to change quite frequently during development. And was considering using Bitbucket, but I worry that despite them advertising unlimited storage that the project will soon become rather larger and "unfair".
Is this likely to be an issue? and if so, is there a way to prevent GIT from keeping multiple copies of media files (thus partially breaking the version control thing)
 
ahh okay hehe...
 
Newbies don't understand, Stackoverflow main site maybe hostile, irrelevant questions may get deleted. But this lounge is more hostile and questions will get deleted faster!
 
Okay, point taken, question is now available for down-votes and closing :P
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Q: Use of media files with GIT on Bitbucket?

Lea HayesI want to use GIT in a game project which will by its very nature have media assets. These are subject to change quite frequently during development. I was considering Bitbucket since their service is top-notch and I have used it for numerous projects in the past. Whilst they state that they off...

 
@LeaHayes Is there a reason why you need to have an online repository?
 
4:09 AM
yeah, its a small team project so the central repository would be very handy
 
Wouldn't perforce be better suited?
Oh wait it's not free... I always forget
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Has nothing to do with hostility.
We welcome newcomers with open arms.
 
@LeaHayes .... GIT stores the differences between each version.
 
Except if they are assholes.
 
Or help vampires, or both
 
4:12 AM
@Borgleader I actually prefer SVN and I've been looking at Mercurial.
 
@EtiennedeMartel sure ... sure ... then embrace them and dump them into a sea full of sharks
 
@Borgleader Help vampires are assholes who don't know that they are.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 No.
 
I don't like special treatment of branches (Mergeinfo ftw) and I like revision numbers.
 
We love GNU zealots the most though :3
 
You know, if we treated you badly at first, it wasn't because you were new.
 
4:13 AM
@Alec Mergeinfo?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 No, we give them a link to the newbie hints, then dump them into a sea of sharks. Big difference.
 
Initialization ritual! I like that
 
@AlecTeal SVN is fine for small teams who never branch.
 
The media assets will change as the game develops. We have 2 artists who are keen perfectionists :) Which means that the GIT size will quickly multiply each time they iterate over the assets.
 
For more complex applications, it's a bit... crude.
 
4:15 AM
@EtiennedeMartel you can branch in SVN
 
@LeaHayes Perhaps don't have them commit so often?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Yes, but merging is a pain if you don't properly do some maintenance on the branch once in a while.
That's what I dislike with SVN: I have to do everything myself.
I thought tools were supposed to make your life easier?
 
merge in perforce can be painful too
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I'm comparing SVN to Git or Hg, not to Perforce.
Perforce is also another piece of shit.
 
@Insilico yeah that would certainly be a useful policy. Perhaps have them commit once a day instead of after each change.
 
4:17 AM
@LeaHayes I'm a bit iffy about storing art on a Git repo.
Artists have tremendously unfocused workflows anyway.
At work, I always have the feeling that artists live in their own little fantasy world.
 
@EtiennedeMartel They don't? :P
 
And then we programmers have to go and fix their shit every once in a while.
 
hehe sounds right to me... and the frequent "What about this really really simple idea?"
 
I wonder how people at places like Industrial Light and Magic deal with their digital assets with respect to versioning (if they actually do versioning).
 
I did an internship at a game company and the craziest person there was the music composer.
 
4:20 AM
To be fair, the best source control system for artists is Perforce.
It's almost as if it was designed for them.
That would explain why it's such a pain to use for normal people.
 
@StackedCrooked Oh dear.
Feels like 1999.
 
Yeah.
 
@StackedCrooked That's actually the best designed website-designed-in-the-last-century I've seen thus far.
 
But you can download all his music. That's cool.
 
4:22 AM
@StackedCrooked better than "I did an internship at a game company and the craziest person there was myself"
 
I was just a clueless noob.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What is it about Perforce that makes it different from something like Mercurial or Git?
 
@Insilico Purrformance, mostly.
Also, the ability to lock stuff.
 
.....
 
Have to admit I did not use it that much.
 
4:23 AM
Git and Mercurial have locks, for binary files this is really impotant.
YOU CANNOT COMPARE PERFORMANCE BETWEEN Mercurial and Git
 
Last time I touched that was during my internship at Ubi Montreal, a few years ago.
@AlecTeal Calm down.
 
One is written in Python, the other C
 
@Insilico Can you make stuff single checkout in either of those? (I'm just curious btw)
 
@AlecTeal If your brain was located in your head and not your rectum, you would have understood that I was comparing Perforce to Git, not Mercurial to Git.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What is it about Perforce that makes it different from something like Mercurial or Git?
 
4:24 AM
@Borgleader I don't use Git, and I haven't used Mercurial extensively enough to answer that competently.
 
One is above one is below the performance of Perforce
 
I personally like the fact that in perforce you can see who has what in checkout at any one time
 
@AlecTeal For very large repositories, I had the understanding that the main reason Perforce was used was because it was blazing fast.
That said, that was back in 2010.
IIRC, Git wasn't that strong back then.
 
@Borgleader so does svn
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 No.
 
4:25 AM
@Borgleader You might be able to do something like that in Mercurial, I'm not positive.
 
Because you don't "checkout" in SVN.
You just get a copy of the whole repo.
And then you commit the bits of that copy that changed.
All you know is who changed what the last time, not who is currently working on what.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Checkout in Perforce means something else. You cant work on a file unless its checked out. All files on the repo are locked by default.
 
That's great for artists, because they usually touch one file at a time, and then they can't step on each other's work.
For programmers, who have a tendency to get all over the place, not so much.
 
either ways, when two people working on the same function in the same file for different purposes, merging would be difficult
 
@EtiennedeMartel wtf?
You check out in SVN, you clone in distributed systems by necessity.
 
4:28 AM
I'm starting to think that you're not even reading what I'm writing.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 IME that doesnt happen all that often. Same file yes, same lines of code no
 
all the more reason to not have your commonly used function/class 1000 lines long
 
Just a few words here and there, and then you make your own sentences and argue about those.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Mercurial is a lot better in that respect, I think.
 
If you check out a revision in SVN, you get that revision, not every revision.
Because it's centralised, decentralised systems need cloning.
 
4:29 AM
That's not even what I'm talking about.
What drugs are you on?
 
Just plonk him already. Please.
 
Because you don't "checkout" in SVN.

You just get a copy of the whole repo.
 
Alright, what am I talking about?
 
Quoting @EtiennedeMartel
SVN's checkout command probably.
 
Ah, yeah, but I meant that you don't checkout in SVN in the sense of what Perforce means by "checkout".
 
4:30 AM
@Borgleader more common than you think ... because once a team is working on some enhancements, they tend to be around similiar issues, which means same class/functions
 
I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
@AlecTeal Also, you keep quoting me out of context.
 
No no my bad, I had no idea you were using a different definition of "check out"
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I've had 2 internships and one semester long project using perforce. Rarely happened, granted i might have been lucky
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm pretty sure the misunderstanding is intentional, just like it obviously is in many of my jokes. Obvious difference is that I do it to be funny.
 
Hey @EtiennedeMartel you're great. I am of course using a different definition of "great" to what everyone here might think it means.
 
4:32 AM
@JerryCoffin Hi Jerry!
 
@AlecTeal Here's the problem: you don't give a shit about what I say.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh hai! :)
 
Hi All!
 
Now @EtiennedeMartel when you say "problem" do you mean "potato"?
 
You did not follow the whole discussion, just jumped on one bit of sentence that you thought was bad, without any context.
 
4:33 AM
When you say context....
 
You are by far one of the most abrasive morons I ever had the displeasure of talking to, and I'm starting to wonder how many times your parents dropped you on your head when you were young.
 
I kind of want to unignore Alec just to see Etienne's messages in context. From the looks of it, I think I want to preserve my sanity instead.
 
@AlecTeal When I say it, I mean "Your gravatar looks a lot like Potatoswatter's."
 
@EtiennedeMartel @Insilico just called you insane.
No seriously guys, I love you all, I can come in whenever and pick a section of your chat to laugh about
 
@AlecTeal No, he didn't, and you would probably know that if you stopped breathing so much shit.
 
4:35 AM
That "svn doesn't checkout" thing must be shared, I'v had my lulz, cya later.
 
@AlecTeal Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
 
@EtiennedeMartel the word you want is "air", perforce may call that shit, but no one else does.
 
@AlecTeal Okay, now I just unignored you after reading what Etienne just wrote. You've just proven that your reading comprehension is crap.
 
@AlecTeal If that was air, your brain would function correctly.
But no, it's shit.
You are shit.
 
For the record, I don't think Etienne is insane.
 
4:36 AM
@Insilico how's it proven? Perhaps you guys are too special, hardly a random sample of the population....
 
Just in case there's any confusion.
 
OMG, @EtiennedeMartel shit breathing shit?
Yo dawg :) "checkout" this stuff!
 
@AlecTeal How in the world did you conclude from my last message that I think Etienne is insane? I really don't appreciate anybody misrepresenting what I say.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hmm...now maybe that's the problem: total lack of a brain. As in: perhaps "Alec" is really a chat-bot.
 
@AlecTeal you want proof of his sanity?
 
4:37 AM
@AlecTeal How do you go in life without getting your teeth punched out of you?
 
This makes me wonder. Is it ever possible to prove that a person is sane?
 
birdie is singing for lunch again, brb
 
He might be a psychopath pretending to be sane.
 
Maybe anonimity is the only thing that's keeping you unharmed.
 
@StackedCrooked I don't think so.
 
4:38 AM
Could you guys mention my name when the stupid tech-chat starts pleas.
 
@StackedCrooked Apparently, yes -- but only if you're a particularly good psychiatrist.
 
Cheers dudes.
 
@StackedCrooked You can't. "This person is sane" is the null hypothesis.
 
Should we try to focus flag some of his stuff?
Or, better yet, summon a mod?
 
4:39 AM
The alternative hypothesis is "This person is insane". You can reject or fail to reject the null hypothesis. In Alec's case, the null hypothesis has already been rejected in favor of the alternative hypothesis.
 
Gamble on that mod not knowing what SVN is...
 
Nobody gives a shit about SVN, jackass.
And actually, weren't you supposed to leave earlier, or are you too much of an attention whore?
 
@EtiennedeMartel please continue
PLEASE PLEASE continue.
 
Sure, it's not like I have anything better to do before my LoL game starts.
 
Hey @EtiennedeMartel what do you think of Bazzar, that other one from canocal.
This is gonna be good.
 
4:41 AM
Looks that popcorn I was talking about is not going to waste, after all.
 
@AlecTeal You seem to think that you have allies in this.
 
Actually, at least from a psychiatric viewpoint, "sane" and "insane" are pretty much undefined. The closest thing they recognize to what most people think of as "insane" is schizophrenia. Courts also use "insane", but to use something entirely different from what it ever meant to most psychiatrists.
 
@EtiennedeMartel it's not a war, I found a source of humor, I'm sharing it with people.
 
There are two states: sane and Alec-like.
@AlecTeal I don't think anyone here appreciates you.
 
4:42 AM
When you say state.... what do you mean, because in the context of the United States, you'll find there are 50
None of them are called "Sane" or "Insane" btw, but there are some (at least 1) north and south pairs.
 
In fact, you're a pretty bad troll.
 
@AlecTeal Okay, now we know you're a troll for sure.
 
I mean, a good troll would at least appear to be serious to anger people with its insane remarks.
 
@EtiennedeMartel you're loosing focus, Bazzar, thoughts.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think it's safe to say he's not schizophrenic -- one of the symptoms of schizophrenia (and schizoid, shchizo-affective, etc.) is avoiding other people.
 
4:43 AM
New addition to the brown list?
 
But you're so ridiculous that my troll-o-meter blew up the exact second I saw you.
So I've been wondering: would counter-trolling work?
Thus far it is effective, because while you're wasting your time here, you're not plaguing the lives of others.
Think of my work as some sort of service to the community.
With that said, I'm gonna play some LoL. Back in 30 minutes or so.
 
troll-o-meter, he he
 
@StackedCrooked As opposed to a mall-o-treater -- aka "the food court" (at the mall).
 
> The average cost of a meal per person in an American food court in 2004 was $6.
That seems really cheap.
 
4:50 AM
@StackedCrooked I'd say it's pretty expensive, given the usual quality level!
 
@StackedCrooked Indeed =/
 
I'm hungry now.
 
@AlecTeal Pro tip: Most people here aren't from the US and don't give a shit about it.
 
Back
Oh right, USA people don't care about either 50 states, or version control. Noted, gone again
 
What is USA? Never heard of it.
 
4:55 AM
@StackedCrooked If only... :-)
 
I'm about to write a script that will hide any replies to this Alec guy.
 
@Borgleader I presume it has different functionality than the "ignore this user" function in SO chat?
 
@Insilico Ignore this user hides messages by the user, I want to hide replies to the user
Because right now only half the conversation is hidden
 
@Borgleader Oh right that's how I knew Alec was here (via Etienne's messages)
 
4:57 AM
@Borgleader You need to make it more generic and configurable than that. AbstractStupidityHiderFactory
 
@JerryCoffin Wouldn't it be AbstractStupidityFactoryHider? :-P
 
@Borgleader Already exists dude.
"hide posts"
 
@Rapptz show me
 
@Insilico good point. Except I think it's an AbstractStupidityFactoryHiderFactory.
 
2 mins ago, by Borgleader
@Insilico Ignore this user hides messages by the user, I want to hide replies to the user
 
4:59 AM
> Clients can choose to consume breast milk directly through breastfeeding … but they can always drink it from a breast pump if they feel uncomfortable
 
@Rapptz You misunderstand
 
Nice.
 
Oh well. Have fun I guess.
 
@JerryCoffin I thought "AbstraaactStupidityFactoryHiderFactory" was intentionally mistyped.
 
@Insilico Nope -- it's too late (and I'm too tired) to do a decent job as an AbstractSnarkFactory. My apologies.
 
5:02 AM
@Xeo "We allow the names of overloaded functions to be used as arguments to a constrained function."
From concepts lite.
> Number n = accumulate(v.begin(), v.end(), operator*);
 
@LucDanton wot?
 
Equivalent to Number n = accumulate(v.begin(), v.end(), [](auto a, auto b) { return operator*(a, b)});
 
@LucDanton Interesting.
 
@LucDanton How is the operator* part of Concepts-Lite though?
 
5:05 AM
Forget it I guess.
 
@StackedCrooked That is a nice view you got from your apartment, as always
 
@StackedCrooked Nice picture!
 
yep :D
Just took it with my phone :)
However, when looking with naked eye there's no glow. You see the sun as a yellow circle.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, that's pretty common.
 
Xeo
5:19 AM
@LucDanton Yeah, I saw that. I feel like that is just a hack, though.
also, mornin
 
soup
 
Xeo
My problem with the constraint-bound thing is that it is.... bound to constraints.
No constraints? No special handling.
 
I, too, am grated by the 'direction' of this type inference. I forget which language does that as well. (Scala?)
 
macromeme.com/cat/vhs-wake-up.jpg I feel old, I remember that.
 
5:34 AM
TWENTY KILLS.
What a ridiculous game.
 
lol
 
Viktor is so good when properly fed.
I was throwing lazors left and right.
I think I'm gonna incorporate a Tear earlier in my build.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Nah, more like, he only had a single glass of piña colada.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I take it you were viktorious ? ;)
 
@LucDanton problematic? Checking each element for end is often skipped for the n-fold boost Cartesian product chose speed over safety, not because safety is hard. — Yakk 29 mins ago
^how do I parse that?
 
5:39 AM
@Borgleader Huhu.
 
Xeo
We need a punbox here - everytime someone makes a bad pun, he pays into it. The chat server is funded from that. /cc @CatPlusPlus
 
@Xeo Are you trying to ruin me?
Bad puns is the only thing I'm good at =/
 
Xeo
@Luc: What's the difference between size and count now? One being an upper bound, but O(1) and the other being the actual count of elements but potentially O(N)?
 
Just the complexity requirement. Same thing as boost::distance vs boost::size.
 
Xeo
I see
@LucDanton I think he means that boost::zip_iterator only checks the first zipped iterator or something.
 
5:50 AM
I don't understand the 'Cartesian product' that is slipped there though.
 
Xeo
yeah, no boost algorithm comes to mind there
 
second answer is.. saying that we need static_if?
 
It used to be the only answer.
 
It looks like a sales pitch though he admitted he was ignorant it still comes off weirdly.
Well, if someone has figured out how to work around the lack of template constraints, static if, and type introspection in C++ and implement usable ranges in C++, all the more power to them. I clearly don't have good enough C++ metaprogramming-foo to pull it off. But I'd be very surprised if it were done in a way that your average C++ programmer could write a range-based function, and unless ranges and range-based functions can be written by your average programmer, I seriously question that they have much viability. D metaprogramming is actually accessible to the average programmer. — Jonathan M Davis 6 hours ago
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Oh, his main tag is . That explains it.
 
5:58 AM
@Rapptz You want to use my stuff to write a range-based function and prove him wrong? :)
 
lol
 
Xeo
Also, ugh, the way Dietmar uses 'lazy evaluation' in his answer
 
tbh I almost feel like downvoting Jonathan's answer
 
Xeo
Seems like he's talking about expression-templates, and not lazy ranges :/
 

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