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A: Chat Rules on Stack Overflow

rubenvbhttp://chat.stackoverflow.com/faq All rooms are owned by regular users (anyone can create a room, only a dedicated bunch of geeks can keep one alive and on top of that active). Some rooms have their own rules. Some don't. If you don't like a room and its inhabitants, you can always click on "le...

upboat me on meta
please
I'm hungry for metapower.
Also:
Lounge<Butcher> Because the bakery is closed.
@rubenvb maybe link the wiki as an example?
user142019
Hello @JohanLarsson.
hej ponny
user142019
@rubenvb +1 for the last sentence.
SO Chat is out of control!
17:04
@JohanLarsson added.
user142019
> Why does this room have a dozen owners? Most of the other rooms don't have half as many!
C# room also has a wiki, you have my upvote
user142019
C# room has a billion owners LOL.
hehe
I make every reg owner, don't see a problem with that really
17:05
IIRC, the C# room is full of prudes.
Or so I was told.
By someone-that-shall-not-be-named.
user142019
The only thing I really dislike about the C# room is that almost nobody who pastes code uses monospace font aka control+K.
Code pasting -> Ideone/Coliru/Liveworkspace
user142019
So it looks like an unindented clusterfuck.
C# room is not very busy but the regs are nice
17:06
Actually ben is uǝq upside down backwards
1. Your nickname is a lie. 2. Everything on the Stackexchange network has rules. — rubenvb 6 secs ago
user142019
Hallo, ik ben Ben.
@rightfold *heet
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So I've been using VIM so much I can't write an email without having random j's and k's everywhere. Anything similar happen to anyone else?
@rightfold I spent far more time than I wanted with the horses today again. 750 kg and solid cranium is not a good combination :D
user142019
17:08
@JohanLarsson Okay. :v
user142019
May 8 at 13:13, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@thecoshman Whenever I use an inferior editor there is a high chance I will drop a bunch of jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj in it.
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Is there a problem a memory-mapped file cannot solve better than plain C FILE-type I/O?
user142019
Also, me too.
user142019
I had to use GNU nano a week ago.
user142019
jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
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17:09
rofl
what does j do anyways?
user142019
I didn't know why my cursor wasn't moving unless I looked more closely.
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Moves letfjjj
user142019
@rubenvb moves the cursor down one line.
isn't that what the down arrow is for?
user142019
17:09
That requires moving your hand and is annoying.
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^
user142019
HJKL are on the middle row.
so now you can't write the letter j but can move the cursor down a line? That's an improvement.
user142019
Vim is modal.
user142019
17:11
You have normal mode in which you can use HJKL.
user142019
In insert mode you obviously can't since that would insert those letters.
user142019
In insert mode you have to use arrow keys or go back to normal mode first.
Speaking of music, should I feel bad for liking good old linkin park?
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@Jeffrey No. Good.
What's rotational symmetry?
1. Yes, but ben is uǝq with 180 degrees of rotational symmetry doesn't have the same ring to it. 2. You're entitled to your own opinion, @rubenvb. — ben is uǝq backwards 1 min ago
user142019
17:14
@Jeffrey He actually means inversion symmetry, but whatever.
user142019
Also see roundabout sign and swastika.
What ring is he speaking about?
TIL the ring.
user142019
17:16
is a 1998 Japanese horror film by Hideo Nakata, adapted from the novel Ring by Kōji Suzuki, which in turn draws on the Japanese folk tale Banchō Sarayashiki. The film stars Nanako Matsushima, Hiroyuki Sanada, and Rikiya Ōtaka as members of a divorced family. The film was later remade in the US as The Ring (2002). The film is the highest grossing horror film in Japan at 12 billion yen ($137.7 million) and is also considered the most frightening horror film in Japan according to a survey of Oricon. Plot Two teenagers, Masami (Hitomi Satō) and Tomoko (Yūko Takeuchi) talk about a videot...
user142019
Great movie.
Not really, the plot is stupid
I'm trying to learn both LLVM and Boost.Spirit at the same time. This was not a good idea.
user142019
Last time I've seen it was 11 years ago so I don't remember much from it. :P
user142019
Maybe it was bad.
17:18
It's not quite true though @rubenvb, that would imply that the letter order remains the same (qǝu). As I explained to someone a while back I did it to confuse and disorient my enemies... I definitely don't want it to be accurate :-). — ben is uǝq backwards 53 secs ago
He is trolling us
user142019
TERRORIST
Atari UX!
@Jeffrey I failed the troll test
I answered him again.
17:20
hi @TomW
yo
this is the only room that allows one to waste time during weekends
I beg to differ
the C# room is pretty wasteful atm
@TomW We are always wasteful.
I'm just here to complain about cmake and clang
17:30
Then complain.
And be trolled.
cmake y u no document incompatibility with python 3.x
I jest somewhat, but I did spend quite a large part of this morning researching how to set up a usable clang-powered build system. So far I haven't been able to find anything explaining how you actually use it for non-trivial projects
am I meant to use e.g. make?
user142019
lol
user142019
ibtool emits error messages in XML format to stderr.
@TomW wtf is a clang-powered build system?
cmake sounds like make. If that's the case, how do you use it as a build system rather than just generating project files for other build systems? If that's documented, I can't find it, or else tl;dr
17:34
cmake is a meta-build system
it generates build system files
like makefiles, vcproj, codeblocks projects, xcode, etc.
It's something like autotools.
you do cmake && make (at least on Linux)
Right. That answers that one.
....windows?
depends on compiler
For Clang+MinGW-w64 you'll need my .cmake script files
for Clang+MSVC there is no way in hell.
why is it Clang+anything? What part doesn't Clang do itself?
(see here for the cmake files.
@TomW uh, everything but the compiling?
Linking, library, debugging...
Bah. Nothing's ever simple.
17:38
it has a built-in assembler, but I don't know when it uses it or not.
@TomW just use my packages.
Save you a headache or two.
But keep you at libstdc++ generation GCC 4.6.
@rubenvb ew
Thanks. Maybe I'll understand more of what the readme says with some more research
@LucDanton sorry, still need to figure out the ABI crap to make clang work with the newer versions.
@TomW which readme is that?
The one for your packages, that you just linked to
It says: grab the gcc-4.6.?-dw2 package, and the clang package, and unzip them to the same directory.
So this and this
If you want CMake to work, put the .cmake files in your CMake install location where they seem to fit. I think it should be share/cmake-2.8/Modules/Platform or something or other.
Then doubleclick the clang32env.cmd, cd to your build dir, cmake ../to/your/source/dir -G"MinGW Makefiles" -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=clang -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=clang++
and then run mingw32-make.
17:43
Thanks.
If any of that doesn't work, please let me know.
Seems I've misunderstood what Clang was. If I'm going to need MinGW anyway, I have no particular interest in swapping out bits of the toolchain
It's another compiler, it is completely different from GCC, so you can check your code.
They often disagree(d) on the tiny print of the C++ standard.
Everything seems difficult to me on Windows.
well, that's a handy extra string to the bow I suppose. Not that I'm expecting to be writing any complicated C/C++ any time soon
17:46
@CaptainGiraffe hmm, it isn't really. You just don't have a package manager.
@CaptainGiraffe Windows is simple when you use Windows idioms. Trying to hammer the *nix way of doing things into Windows seems to cause pain
@TomW What does that even mean?
To write software on Windows, I i) install visual studio ii) open the solution iii) hit 'Build'
GCC <-> Unix.
@rubenvb That package manager (the package maintainers) is a very good thing.
@TomW True
17:50
@CaptainGiraffe I agree. But it can also be a limiting factor if it doesn't have the version you're looking for.
Well, I'm fairly sure that it's common to write some extra code into the solution before hitting F5, but I guess it's not compulsory :)
@MartinJames well yes, there is that. Depends if you feel like taking a liberal definition of the word 'write' ;)
@rubenvb version + or -? Rarely have the upgrade created problems
@CaptainGiraffe both. Sometimes you want the old version, sometimes you want the new version. E.g. LLVM breaks API quite a lot. Or at least it used to. Not that I used it ever seriously.
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, I just finished Blade Runner. You know what that means...
17:53
Daaaas Booooot!
@EtiennedeMartel I just finished Contact, that was a disappointment
gf is watching The blue lagoon
@JohanLarsson You should join, for a multitude of reasons.
@CaptainGiraffe Do any of them involve watching the film?
@CaptainGiraffe hmm not sure
17:56
@JohanLarsson play it by ear.
Nibble an ear..
maybe I'll just start VS and write something dumb :D
I set myself a goal first thing this morning of building a tech demo for various stuff I hadn't used before, starting from implementing a COM object in plain C and finishing with a web project with signalR receiving pushes from it to display [some arbitrary output]
18:15
unordered_map is invalidating some of my shit for some bizarre reason.
@EtiennedeMartel Whaddaya think of it?
@CaptainGiraffe I found the pacing to be incredibly slow. But I liked the ending.
user142019
libffi is neat.
@rightfold Does that mean we can expect your next project to use it?
user142019
Most likely.
18:18
@EtiennedeMartel If you want a fast paced book let me recommend "Focault's pendulum" Umberto Eco. Probably the best book I've read.
guys please upvote my question I got baned for deleting my bad question :) stackoverflow.com/questions/15311708/…
@Klasik Linking that here will probably have the opposite effect, you know.
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds "alright" so far.
only about halfway through, though
Er, 1/4 the way through
8 minutes.
@EtiennedeMartel Yes! Do you like this?
@JohanLarsson Not bad, not bad.
@EtiennedeMartel Ah, it's finally picking up.
It's not supa dupah, but it's pretty good to listen to.
Reminds me of Sazh's Theme.
Bored.
5
18:48
@Rapptz There's this show you could watch...
bored in a good way in Sweden
Good idea.
Time to watch some animu.
No, I meant one with ponies.
(But you know that. It's not like I'm subtle)
@StackedCrooked The only one I watch now since my interest for it died down
AKA Detective Conan
18:50
Cool.
I saw the first 10 episode or so.
But it probably gets better later.
But it's kinda depressing that the girl will never find out who he really is.
On the onslaught of constant cases, there are some plot development episodes which are really cool
Hei guys: room 69.
ahah
How many episodes are there now?
Got it?
Hmm.. it's 19 years old
18:52
@Jeffrey Yeah, nobody ever made that joke before.
696 episodes.
@Rapptz That's quite the diarrhea.
I should grow up.
lol, I accidentally typed detective conana
@Jeffrey That happens naturally, you know.
18:53
698 is on Nyaa
wow
Ell
Ell
bthomehub really sucks
Oh yeah, 698. May 18th, 2013
Should probably edit Wikipedia
I want to see another anime but iunno if I actually want to
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Q: Vtable ran away

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dat title
Attack on Titan (進撃の巨人/Advancing Giants) seems like a good one.
10 is a boring number :(
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18:58
@Rapptz Attack on Titan is okay/good (Overhyped imo). I like Gargantia a lot better as far as new anime.
hey guys. Any chance anyone in here has used linux's hcreate/hsearch/hdestory hastable functions from search.h
?
@Tek I don't like mecha anime
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@Rapptz Funny you say that, 'cause neither do I. You're assuming too much. So far there's been more storyline than actual mech appearances which is why I enjoy it.
I don't actually assume but it just puts me off a little bit.
I did some seriously interesting debugging with gdb and found that a hdestroy() is calling free when it's memory has already been freed. I have no clue why this is happening, wondering if anyone else my have a clue.
19:01
Also, since when does crunchyroll license anime?
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@Rapptz Same but it's rare that mech anime has a good story and not just random pew pew everywhere.
TIL how to launch a process and give a new process group id
@gideon *may
@Mysticial hi :)
19:04
@Jeffrey ah yea. And 2 mins passed and I cant edit it :(
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@Jeffrey Love that clip.
@gideon Good!
Loved that show.
lol
@Rapptz This is fucking gold. I did not expect the second comment after reading the first one.
19:16
gonna make a mod bot for reddit
Make a bot for eve online instead? id like to get rich without effort kthx :P
my reverse engineering days are over!
So, yesterday, a friend of mine gave me the autograph he got from Day9.
You lucky bastard =/
19:23
Next step would be meeting Mr. Plott in person. Hmmm.
Feb 1 at 18:31, by Etienne de Martel
Mark my words, one day, I shall meet Sean Plott in person.
@Borgleader The real lucky bastard is my friend. Several months ago he shared on Facebook a photo of him with IdrA and Machine.
But I guess living in Seattle has some advantages.
Damn him!
I want to meet them too :(
nevermind
:9491434 Sean "Day9" Plott is one of the most famous StarCraft commentators ever.
if not the most famous
Well, he's probably the most famous in the West.
19:30
yeah
in europe/asia that's another matter
Netbeans is so slow right now :\
@Pawnguy7 "Netbeans is so slow :\" FTFY
19:48
@StackedCrooked is there a spec for wide?
@Jeffrey There's not even an implementation yet.
@EtiennedeMartel Specification usually comes first :/
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@Borgleader Not when you have an SSD :D
@Jeffrey Not really.
@EtiennedeMartel So what should an implementation implement?
19:51
We're talking about a programming language, not a mind wank exercise.
You write a language without having a rough sketch of how it's supposed to be?
@Jeffrey You create the language first, then you define a spec, if you need to.
But sometimes you don't need a spec. Look at Python.
@Tek SSD's dont make shitty code go faster
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iunno. I'd do a basic spec then implement the language and expand on the spec.
> In computing, a programming language specification is an artifact that defines a programming language so that users and implementors can agree on what programs in that language mean.
19:54
@Jeffrey And your point is?
specification ---- so that ----> implementors can agree on what means what
Not the other way around
What if there's only one implementor?
Then, if a second one comes around, he can simply look at the first implementation and copy its behavior.
And while a reference implementation is a kind of specification, it's not a formal one, which is what I think you're talking about.
I made this.
Also my friend fell out of the window today and died.
hope your weekend's better
wait what?
@EtiennedeMartel If I understand it correctly the C++ standard defines a specification (syntax, rules, behaviors) and an implementation instance that specification into a compiler. Isn't this right?
yiz
yiz
19:58
I have just finished my soup/congee breakfast (because broken teeth from mountain biking last Sunday) and off to half marathon
Some people's problem originate from themselves :p
@Jeffrey The standard came roughly 15 years after the language was created.

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