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12:00 PM
Huh. That completely undermines your argument for "pure madness" :|
 
Hmm, this is interesting, I haven't really obsessed over computational complexity due to the sheer amount of math involved, but it seems to have a logarithmic link with screenspace coverage. Pretty good. Usually ears take barely 50 pixels, nostrils a few pixels. Should scale pretty well on a bunch of characters.
 
user142019
I should use INTERCAL on Interstates instead of Ruby on Rails.
 
@sehe I disagree. The library prevents you from using best practices in C++ (stack allocation) without providing its own way of mitigating this (the way C++/CLI does)
presumably Delphi uses a GC, yes?
Why not offer that here?
 
user784668
@KonradRudolph no, IIRC
 
@Fanael Well it uses reference counting
 
12:05 PM
@DomagojPandža not if it takes .6 ms per pixel :D
 
.7 ms per entire framebuffer at pretty reasonable close range. Getting in the ear can push it to 3 ms, though. :D
So, as long as I'm not making an ear inspection game, I should be fine. :D
It blocks off at .3 ms, no matter what the distance. I think it's safe to disable SSS at this point because ears are barely a speck on the screen at this point.
 
what if my neural network is giving me totally unstable results, even when learning on the same set of data?
Can I somehow mitigate this randomness?
 
@LucDanton lol; the fusion bug with adapting (std::/boost::)tuple was... conflicting header guards O.o (I thought boost generated automatically unique header guards)
 
Also, I've just noticed that the green blood joke is really a good debugging hint.
But enough about bathing light in blood, how are you guys doing today? Enjoying Sunday?
 
Xeo
Havin a good time crashing Clang
 
12:20 PM
Xeo, did you have any issues building Clang?
 
Xeo
nope
Did you remember to ./configure?
 
yes
everything is fine except for one file- an SVNVersion.inc
 
Xeo
sec
I think I remember something about that
 
Clang seems to assume it's existence, but it wasn't configured or generated by CMake
 
Xeo
Lemme grep my IRC log...
 
12:21 PM
@Xeo Me complaining about it during this conversation on #llvm.
 
Xeo
That aside :P
 
@Zoidberg you could help me do that.
 
user142019
Sure, by giving you a hint: use Haskell.
 
sheesh Haskell
 
@Xeo so I built clang in my VM...but now I think I'm missing a standard lib. :D
 
Xeo
12:25 PM
libc++, but have fun building that on Linux :P
You can also just use libstdc++
 
shouldn't I have that though if I have g++? :S
 
Xeo
Ya
 
@Xeo doesn't that build pretty cleanly on Linux?
 
so how do I gently make clang aware of its existence
 
Xeo
@rubenvb As soon as you get libsupc++ or libcxxabi or all that stuff built...
I just remember having some issues with that.
 
user142019
12:26 PM
Does libstdc++ have emplace already?
 
@melak47 You modify clang/lib/basic/Frontend/InitHeaderSearch.cpp to point to where the headers are.
@Zoidberg yes, since like GCC 4.6 or 4.7.
 
user142019
Why does/did it lack it for so long? Is it that difficult to implement or were there more important things that went first?
 
user142019
Oh nice.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb IIRC, that shouldn't be needed anymore for the newer versions
But I could be wrong
 
oh wait
No you're prolly right
 
12:28 PM
@Xeo ugh, I have to reconfigure and rebuild it? nuhhh
 
Xeo
@DeadMG: Sorry, was something else I remembered :s
 
@melak47 Check where it looks for headers by adding -v to the compile command.
 
ack
after all of that, it looks like I'll have to re-pull and re-build anyway
 
is there a way to check if a type is complete?
seems handy to static_assert that in a lot of situations.
To aid users.
 
12:34 PM
@melak47 so that should find your GCC 4.7 headers just fine.
and your C headers. And your Clang headers (obviously)
 
so it can't find the libs?
or did I forget to tell it to link the stdlib? I'm confused :D
 
@rubenvb The Standard requires the existence of such a check, but does not actually expose it, I believe.
 
What is the problem? Linker errors or compiler errors?
@DeadMG Is there a simple type_trait? Like checking sizeof for 0 or something?
 
linker errors. std::cout? undefined reference. printf? undefined reference :)
 
@rubenvb That is what MSVC's implementation does. Whether or not it is Standard I cannot say.
 
12:38 PM
Then the question becomes: is sizeof(incomplete_type) == 0?
 
Xeo
It's an error
 
@rubenvb Actually, nevermind. I'm an idiot :D @Xeo
 
@Xeo so an incomplete type is not considered for named template parameters?
 
Xeo
huh?
 
oh no, the sizeof fails
 
Xeo
12:42 PM
ya
 
and then the other function is used
aha
I'm an idiot in these things
My SFINAE is weak.
The SFINAE is weak with me.
 
user1357851
I am so retarded, I am using Java in Eclipse to write to a file in an App, then I run the app pn my phone and tried to locate the file on the PC where Eclipse is ran ... couldn't find it :'(
 
That's why IDEs often fail to do their purpose: the people using them use it as an everything and forget about what it is doing.
 
so
I am having to nuke my build directory and rebuild LLVM and Clang from scratch.
this is not the funnies
 
@DeadMG ha-ha!
why? :/
 
12:55 PM
well, it was leftover from a previous Windows installation and that kind of fun.
and promptly didn't work
 
Xeo
Hm, Clang trunk still can't EnableIf<X>... :(
 
@DeadMG just rerun CMake?
 
@rubenvb No effect.
 
huh weird. What's the error?
 
SVNVersion.inc, it does not exist.
 
1:01 PM
you're not building intree are you?
 
inwhat?
 
@DeadMG SubversionVersion, Incorporated doesn't exist? I'm glad :p
 
@DeadMG in the source tree.
as in you did svn co ... llvm && cd llvm && cmake .`
 
uh, I used the cmake GUI and TortoiseSVN
exactly as I did before
 
oh god
oh
I thought you said you copied something to some other pc
 
1:08 PM
uh, no, but I did reinstall Windows in the meantime
 
<facepalm>
 
what?
 
That's pretty much moving it to another PC.
 
yeah
I think that starting from scratch has only made my problems worse, though.
 
user142019
I want food.
 
1:14 PM
or, well, I guess I'll find out after the ten million decades it takes to build this thing
 
user142019
I crave it.
 
@DeadMG :D
 
user142019
 
user142019
Yum.
 
@rubenvb turns out it helps to use clang++ when compiling c++...
@Zoidberg too much bread, how are you gonna eat that
 
Xeo
1:18 PM
@Zoidberg Mmm, that might be nice to have right now
@melak47 ahaha
 
yes, laugh at me ;_;
 
user142019
I changed my Facebook cover into a picture of a delicious hamburger. :')
 
user142019
@melak47 It's not a lot of bread. It's just sliced in an unusual place.
 
@melak47 well, you could use g++ too, but I guess that's not what you were after.
 
@Zoidberg You practically have more bread than filling.
 
user142019
1:20 PM
So?
 
user142019
It's still de-fucking-licious.
 
2 big 4 mouth
 
user142019
2 girls 1 cup
 
@Zoidberg ¬_¬ I don't see much burger in the burger
 
user142019
 
user142019
1:22 PM
Because you're a pussy who can't have vegetables.
 
This isn't logical: sorting type_traits alphabetically.
 
@Zoidberg ¬_¬ that is not the same burger
oh, and afternoon folks :P
 
user142019
NO SHIT SHERLOCK
 
This isn't possible, along with sorting type_traits by "type"
because they interdepend awesomey sometimes
 
user142019
@thecoshman ¬_¬ the former wasn't a burger at all.
 
1:23 PM
@Zoidberg not quite, but when I am having a burger meal, I prefer to have more then just condiments
 
Has anybody here distributed an application made in VS 2012?
 
user142019
tickets = @db[%q{ SELECT Id, Summary FROM AllTicketsForProject(?); }, params[:project_id]] isn't Ruby beautiful lol.
 
Damn you guys, now I want a burger :/
 
user142019
Go to Hamburg harharhar.
 
user142019
The weather hates me.
 
user142019
1:26 PM
It's FINALLY fine weather, but fuckin' pollen. :<
 
@Zoidberg sssssssssssssuck it
 
@Pawnguy7 depends...what do you mean by "distribute" :p
 
user142019
No. Sucking pollen would trigger an allergic reaction.
 
user142019
@KonradRudolph Me too map (+ 1). Harharhar.
 
1:27 PM
@melak47 In some way, shape, or form in that it included the redistributable or somethings similar to make it run.
 
@Pawnguy7 I usually link crap statically so people can just run it when I share the binaries via dropbox :p
 
@KonradRudolph damn that sounds good
 
@Zoidberg You probably mean fmap. I doubt dinner is a list.
 
@melak47 I would, but I don't know if I can rebuild xinput
 
@Pawnguy7 ?
 
user142019
1:29 PM
@KonradRudolph Sure, but only on monads, since monads are like burritos.
 
I need more words in there to give an appropriate answer.
 
@thecoshman It’s a curry my father cooks some times, I’ve never done it myself but I can honestly say that it’s one of the best curries I’ve ever prepared.
I think we need a Lounge<Foodporn>
 
@KonradRudolph here will do just fine :P
 
or maybe lounge . foodporn
 
@Pawnguy7 okay, how about "what the hell do you mean, rebuild xinput"
 
1:30 PM
Smelly cat.
 
> UTF-8 is not practical for internal representation for characters with codes over 127: string comparison won't work.
epic fail
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've found a solution to our GDrive problems... 1) make new folder 2) move everything into it
 
@melak47 As I understand it, it is built using the DLLs, and I think would need to be rebuilt to link everything statically.
 
I don't even.
 
@Pawnguy7 you don't have to link everything statically
 
1:32 PM
few, just noticed plinks had re-enabled them selves before it got a chance to piss me off
that means I will have turned it off, before I get a dozen attempted plinks
 
@melak47 I don't know. Fairly new to the subject. If possible, then, I am not certain how. Switching it got mt a bunch of errors on every other configeration.
 
@DomagojPandža ... and back to sabbath
 
@Pawnguy7 switching what, what errors
 
@melak47 Code generation, to how it is statically linked (for example, mD). Linkerish errors.
 
there are no linkerish errors
there are linker errors and compiler errors
 
1:38 PM
Mawning all
 
mawning tonies
 
user784668
@rubenvb have a linkerish error: mv "$(which ld)" "$(dirname "$(which ld)")/linkerish" && linkerish does-not-exist.o
 
16 hours ago, by sbi
"...like a boy in orthopedic shoes I stand corrected." :)
dat pun
 
Damn, I need to write a (mock) grant proposal and can’t concentrate. Anybody got music suggestions that are good to work to?
 
Hell March 3
 
user142019
1:39 PM
@KonradRudolph Slipknot
 
okay, next
 
Xeo
Disturbed
 
user142019
DeWolff
 
user784668
@KonradRudolph 4'33"
 
@KonradRudolph I would start by pressing cmd+w :P
 
1:40 PM
@TonyTheLion some one should star that
@KonradRudolph death klok :P
 
@thecoshman the thing I quoted or the dat pun thing?
because what I quoted is already on the starboard
 
damn
so many different requirements for a unicode string
 
@KonradRudolph primal fear
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ I should stop trying to funny around you
 
@Fanael that's not an error
 
1:43 PM
@DeadMG 'must not be a string'
 
@thecoshman ahahah, I thought that quote was a good pun.
 
@thecoshman Not quite that bad.
 
must be a series of contiguous unicode codepoints
 
Why are the traits in the standard not ordered in an implementable order?
 
@TonyTheLion it was indeed, as did the others who stared it, presuming they are not just sheeping along... or confused
 
1:44 PM
I suppose that would be the minimum requirement...
 
not a chance in hell
 
fucking basterdz
 
my word, there’s a serious genre bias in this channel
 
for one thing
people will cry at the wastage of UTF-32.
 
@thecoshman I don't know about the others, but I starred it because punny
:)
@DeadMG :'(
 
user784668
1:45 PM
@DeadMG Use UTF-0. All code points encoded in 0 bits.
 
lol
 
user784668
In fact, I have a perfect, bug-free implementation in C++.
 
user142019
Ruby's $< magic variable is so specialized… :|
 
Ruby has a magic variable :O
 
user142019
1:46 PM
It's an object representing the contents of all files that were given as command-line arguments.
 
@TonyTheLion It's a PERL descendant
 
I know jack fuck about Ruby, besides that I once wrote a script in it.
@DeadMG I haven't done PERL either
 
user142019
lol PERL instead of Perl
 
user142019
also PROLOG
 
1:47 PM
Well, puppy has experience with PROLOG :P
 
user142019
How much experience do you have with Prolog?
Yes.
 
Mar 3 at 16:57, by DeadMG
prolog is bad.
lol
 
is putting implementation namespace in another header a good idea?
 
user784668
@rubenvb Yes. No. Maybe. Depends.
 
yeah, I don't think it'll work out here
too many cross-uses of cross-applied crosses
 
1:51 PM
> Orgy: A revel involving unrestrained indulgence, especially sexual activity
lol
that definition cracks me up
 
@Pawnguy7 you can link the runtime statically and still load dlls
 
> unrestrained indulgence
kek
 
can you guys remember what the final vote was on polymorphic allocators?
 
user142019
while(<>){print join(' ',reverse split ' ')."\n";}
$<.each{|l|puts l.split(/\s+/).reverse.join(' ')}
 
user142019
Meh Ruby pwns Perl by one character.
 
1:56 PM
hmm, if the only result is the LEWG page and there was no motion
 
The awesome is strong with this one.
 
It's Payne!
 
The second has an even more powerful violin section, goddamn chills.
 
@melak47 I was linking the xinput library statically as well, but it might be a mock library. I found some DLLs as well, but xinput is not listed (most others are), so I am unsure.
 
> The past is a gaping hole. You try to run from it, but the more you run, the deeper, more terrible it grows behind you, its edges yawning at your heels. Your only chance is to turn around and face it. But it's like looking down into the grave of your love, or kissing the mouth of a gun, a bullet trembling in its dark nest, ready to blow your head off.
I can hear this in my head. :D
 
1:59 PM
> Allocators in C++, however, have historically relied solely on compile-time polymorphism, and therefore have not been suitable for use in vocabulary types
what are vocabulary types?
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion dictionary types, I think
 

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