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4:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Too bad the Soviet Union folded. Kind of ruins the effect of calling it something like "COMmunist filth!"
 
@JerryCoffin Well, since we're talking about dictatorships disguised as communism, there's still North Korea.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Good point: "C++/CX: from the lair of the Unicorn!"
 
also why the hell does CreateSwapChainForComposition of direct3d 11 give me non-S_OK hresult?
 
break on your HRESULT, you'll have a description of the issue
 
@SiPlus Because you did something wrong.
 
4:03 PM
Because it failed maybe you could read the documentation and find out
 
kbok, it's a lib, not app, so I can't set a breakpoint
@JerryCoffin thx cpt obvious
 
@SiPlus What? Sure you can.
Just attach to the process.
 
@SiPlus ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI!
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[I know, I've posted that before, but such is life]
 
Ell
That is genius! xD
 
@Ell s/genious/genius/
 
wtf is this?
a dick on a part of pelvis?
 
Ell
Some kinda bone called the humerus
 
ah, it's a bone
I've just successfully passed a pervert test
 
Is "dick" always your first guess?
 
lol no
 
4:07 PM
"— Guess what I bought you for birthday! — A dick?"
 
How in the world does that resemble a dick
 
Ell
it has a long shaft
 
@kbok There's dickhead in the bottom
 
@SiPlus It's a bone, not a boner.
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@SiPlus With this logic this room looks like a dick too
 
4:09 PM
@kbok With pretty much any logic this room is full of them
 
lol
 
ah no
 
I need more money
 
@kbok sell some food
 
4:14 PM
I need more money than that
 
sell your need
all of it
 
But then I'll have money I don't need!
 
you could give it to me
 
does anybody has any youtube channels with good cpp talks... i have meetingcpp to share, but audio sucks :( youtube.com/watch?v=Fotwf6qVXcI
 
4:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz how goes Lundi?
 
@kbok do you need $500 or less?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I could sell my need of money to you, then give you back the money. Does this sound good?
 
@Borgleader it's hard. I have a few ideas, but I needed a break from metawankery
Wanna help? :P
 
@SiPlus I need $8000
 
@BartekBanachewicz When I get out of semester hell sure
 
4:16 PM
@kbok ah, so selling your toilet bowl won't solve your issue
 
@Borgleader ....
 
Not really, no
 
I have 2 games to finish and a presentation to practice for ubisoft
and then finals T_T
 
anyway, this font now looks really decent
I haven't expected such a nice result
 
@BartekBanachewicz what font?
 
4:17 PM
@SiPlus look up
 
Is it consolas?
 
I like it too. It really is a decent font for something bundled with the OS.
 
Isn't it MS font?
 
Ell
Yup
 
4:25 PM
what is considered the "conventional" way to write a chat program between two people? Two clients that interact with a server?
and the server relays information between the clients?
 
@Crowz that's the IRC model certainly
 
tcp direct connect?
 
You'd have to do some fancy firewall punchthrough stuff for that
 
And some way to pass through NAT
By the way, how does WebRTC work?
 
@Crowz you can also do p2p
 
4:28 PM
Is there a server in between, or it's completely decentralized?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Have you pushed since doing fonts?
 
@Ell I am pushing now
 
Ell
Okay :)
 
Engine and MiC now have SConstructs
 
Soo I'm a little confused about C++ classes. Can I like, instantiate a client so multiple clients can connect to the server? IF that makes sense
 
4:29 PM
use them
 
Ell
Yeah I saw the scons file for minicraft
haven't updated engine yet though
 
@Crowz multiple clients on the same PC? Yeah, you can instantiate a client class a few time for that
 
@BartekBanachewicz You use SCons to generate the .sln ?
 
@Borgleader no. I work on .sln, and sconstruct is just an alternate way
 
Why is my makefile rule being ignored?
%.o: %.c
	clang++ -std=c++11 -stdlib=libc++ -c @< -o $@
 
4:32 PM
makefiles are crappy.
 
@BartekBanachewicz okay I have like, just source code but it's not in a class.
 
I know but I have 3 files to compile together so I'm not going to throw a real build system at it
 
@Crowz so put it in a class sigh
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then why add it?
 
@kbok Uh I don't really know what's the problem.
@Borgleader MinGW, Linux and possibly MacOS
and iOS and Android someday :3
 
4:36 PM
ifstream(wstring const&, openmode) is not standard?
 
@kbok why do you use makefiles?
why not simply bat/sh/ps script?
 
Because they really really suck
 
@SiPlus it's not "simply"
it's fucking 1000 times more annoying
 
Might as well type clang++ *.cpp
 
@SiPlus It's simpler to write makefile than bat/sh file that tracks dependenies and only build what is needed.
 
4:38 PM
and then again, it's simpler to write SConstruct than a makefile
 
I never really got to get a serious scons script to work.
 
Xeo
@kbok Do you have an all: x.o y.o z.o? :P
 
env = Environment()
main = Program(["a.cpp", "b.cpp"])
 
cd %~dp0
goto files
:build
compilerpath/gcc -O2 %1.c 'some other stuff such as compile to obj
goto:eof
:files
build file1
build file2
 
I mean, all I wrote was basically a makefile with slightly different syntax, which doesn't look like big jump forward.
 
4:39 PM
@Xeo yes
 
@SiPlus compare to what I posted
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's fine for trivial things. Not fine for things that use lots of flags, depending on stuff, and that includes assembly and shenanigans of all kinds.
 
all: datreader

datreader: image.o res_file.o datreader.o
	clang++ *.o -o datreader

%.o: %.c
	clang++ -std=c++11 -stdlib=libc++ -c @< -o $@
 
@Griwes sfml_files += Glob("dependencies/SFML-2.0/src/Window/*.cpp")
Also, it tracks type of file, dependencies, whatnot automagically
 
Do you happen to know any article/tutorial/whatever that builds a scons knowledge from the ground up?
 
4:41 PM
why not use c programs to build?
 
Can you implement 3ds animations in WebGL?
 
@Griwes scons manual is rather deep
@Crowz define 3ds animations
@SiPlus because C sucks
 
"Dependencies" not like in "this file depends on", but "semantics of build depend on...".
 
The program Autodesk 3ds
 
buildstuff somecfile.c somec++file.cpp someasm.asm
then choose correct compiler based on the extension
 
4:42 PM
@SiPlus dude, that's already been done. It's called SCons, and is written in python.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Scons manual is a bitch to read.
 
@Crowz you can use them if you make proper file loader and renderer
 
@Griwes meh. I found everything I needed so far.
 
WebGL is raw polygon-drawing API
It's not animation API or anything like that, it just draws polygons
 
@SiPlus You are obviously thinking that build systems are trivial stuff. You obviously never touched any project that does not build all files in the same way.
 
4:43 PM
Exporting 3ds files to something simpler is also recommended
because loading them from JS will be a huge PITA
 
@SiPlus I basically just want to make a short animation in 3DS that then optomizes to a static picture with a jQuery animation overlaying it. If that makes sense
 
@Crowz stop asking "If that makes sense"
also, export it to inter-format
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, it kinda describes every feature it can, true. But it doesn't say "the preferred way to create build system for big project is like this: [...]".
 
@Griwes I touched a project with non-trivial building stuff
Firefox
I can't compile it
 
...so you suck.
 
4:44 PM
@Griwes maybe because there isn't one?
 
@BartekBanachewicz So it sucks.
 
they want me to INSTALL LINUX to fucking COMPILE an ANDROID app
 
@BartekBanachewicz What I basically want is something like "Modern C++" for Scons.
 
not even test
simply compile
this is stupid
 
@SiPlus no, you suck
 
4:45 PM
Installing linux takes 30 minutes.
Installing linux in VM takes 30 minutes when you can do all kinds of other stuff at the same time.
 
@Griwes well, I started to use it only recently, so I am not an expert. Robot might be of more help
 
why should I install linux to compile something that compiles into ARM machine code and Java bytecode?
 
@SiPlus you shouldn't.
 
Windows can't write bytes to a file?
 
Android SDK has windows version
 
4:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Woot.
 
so use it FFS
 
@SiPlus 1) Build a cross compiler. 2) ??? 3) Profit!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it works! :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm talking about Firefox particularly, not all Android
 
@BartekBanachewicz I do not want an expert! I want simple checklist of simple advices.
 
4:47 PM
whatever.
 
Not having ability to cross-compile is retarded in all cases except for profile-guided optimization
 
@Griwes ... I want simple checklist of things I need to do to make 3D MMORPG. These things have to be simple.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Could you point me to some docs explaining how to get consistent unicode support for filenames?
 
1 min ago, by Griwes
@SiPlus 1) Build a cross compiler. 2) ??? 3) Profit!
If your skills don't allow you to build a cross compiler for any possible and supported configuration of host and target, then your skills suck.
Especially reading and googling skills.
 
hey, it was you who wanted "a simple list"
easy on him.
that being said, @SiPlus sucks.
 
4:49 PM
Or, better yet, s/Build a cross compiler./Use LLVM+Clang, which inherently is a cross compiler./
@BartekBanachewicz Hey, we have a simple checklist for C++, which is far more complex thing than a build system!
 
Here are two screenies from that awesome meta question last night:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/I5J2J.png
http://i.stack.imgur.com/V7ExZ.png
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@kbok Sorry, if you mean something something Windows, no. All I know is that it can be a fucking mess.
 
And 3D MMORPG is far, far, far more complex than build system.
 
Doesn't Boost.Filesystem solve this?
 
Math prerequisites piss me off
 
4:50 PM
I don't know what you need exactly, @Griwes, so I can't help you.
@Crowz Lern2Math
if googling didn't help, well, sit down and RTFM
no other way
 
@BartekBanachewicz Simple. Goddamn. Checklist. About. SCons. Not a manual. An actual user's advice what is worth using and what sucks and should never be touched.
 
I am going to refactor the entire ogonek codebase from the ground up.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I can't stand math... it's not even hard, it's just so much work for so little gain
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes NOOOooooo
@Crowz what?
It's quite little work for enormous gain
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
 
4:52 PM
just learn proper linear algebra
 
@Crowz What
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am afraid we are having too many zoidbergs here
 
I had an epiphany and now I know how I can make it super sweet. It will speed up development considerably.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You see, linear algebra sounds interesting, but I'm only at calculus right now. I want something with less abstraction and more application
 
Wait, I know what, you just don't know what math is about
 
4:53 PM
+1 ^
 
Yes calculus has no practical applications whatsoever
No sir
 
Math isn't about something.
Math is an answer, but the question is not known yet.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, I really don't
 
@BartekBanachewicz I still have six months for my originally planned released date.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah then ok.
I actually have about 3 :/
Shit I am not going to make it.
 
4:54 PM
And I don't want to do this kind of thing later.
The sooner I do it, the sooner I reap the benefits, and the less impact it has on clients (given that right now there are zero clients, it's a perfect time to do it)
 
mmm chocolate with cherries and cranberry
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, proceed then.
little sanity checks don't hurt, I guess
 
I need to formalize some of the TMP I have been doing (all internal). It was starting to get messy and too ad-hoc.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know that feel.
 
I am starting to think about introducing more block types.
Right now it's patched by duct tape
oh god and I will need UI
uh.
 

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