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8:00 PM
@melak47 that means it's useless for me obviously
Also
 
> x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc-4.8-stdthread-win64_rubenvb.7z 38.2 KB/s - 2.8 MB of 29.9 MB, 12 mins left
 
the castle grew bigger
 
so slow. :(
 
Haha
 
(Xkcd) /cc @Xeo
 
8:00 PM
Where are you downloading from?
 
sourceforge.
 
Lulz.
 
I usually download at like, 2-5 MB/s :|
 
yup, extreme tininess will do it too
 
Ah, okay.
Guess I need to watch out for either condition then.
 
8:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I was kinda talking to ThePhD :p
 
@melak47 I won't pass a chance to advocate OGL ;)
 
@rubenvb let me know how that goes. Link to the grammar?
 
Why does C::B autocomplete never work :\
 
Stop using Code::Blocks.
 
Been over this :D
 
8:04 PM
Oh, well okay.
 
Good luck then
 
@rubenvb are your MinGW builds available publicly?
 
@BartekBanachewicz sf.net
 
like cock::block, a code::block is not a nice thing :)
 
yeah
 
8:05 PM
lol
 
I'm trying to implement a feature in Wide right now, and I have no fucking idea how I'm going to do it.
 
@DeadMG Use your Imaaaginaaation~
 
I am
 
@melak47 Okay, it's showing up on screen without projection.
 
8:06 PM
@sehe I was thinking about making another build target for minicraft, since supporting VS is really not worth it anymore
 
Albeit, uh. Without the projection I can't actually see anything, but at least its there, right?
 
@BartekBanachewicz huh. Oh you mean using mingw
 
@ThePhD I had the same thing. any projection matrix I tried messed shit up :D
 
~Sigh~
The weird thing is I went over my projection matrices with Domagoj
He even gave me the thing hand-written out and I verified it by hand too.
 
@DeadMG no and yes. There is a small change you can make to a libstdc++ header to make at least std::string stuff work. I couldn't test any more cause clang doesn't agree with braced init lists as default arguments for const ref function arguments. Let me see if I can find it.
 
8:06 PM
before you ask how I resolved it - I didn't lulz
 
Id on't get what's going on wahdahwadajwadawdk
 
@BartekBanachewicz 32-bit and 64-bit
 
> x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc-4.8-stdthread-win64_rubenvb.7z Unknown network error.
 
@rubenvb Nah skip it, I'd need a lot more than just std::string to justify moving from 4.6.3
 
:(
 
8:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz, if the openGL 3.3 feature set you used were not supported, what would it crash with?
 
@rubenvb should I pick those according to my OS or the desired target?
 
Downloading's hard.
 
@Rapptz download better internet
 
@sehe I copied it from some pdf to the readme of my project
 
@rubenvb does it have std::thread? :D
 
8:08 PM
@Pawnguy7 it would jump up and catch fire
 
@rubenvb Does it lift?
 
@sehe I blame sourceforge!
 
@rubenvb oh. that project :) forgot. Anyways, cool, I'm interested in anything non-trivial with spirit
 
@BartekBanachewicz desired target. OS is the -win32, -win64, -cygwin, or -linux64 part in the filename.
 
@Rapptz took 30 secs for me to DL
 
8:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Well, it gave be BAX, but I don't know if it is because of the openGL or something else.
 
@Rapptz buy a better sourceforge (condtradictio in terminis)
 
@ThePhD what?
 
@Pawnguy7 BAX?
 
@rubenvb Everyone was asking you questions about your build. So I wanted to as well.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah I just redownloaded, it's done.
 
8:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Event error description or something.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, didn't anyone tell you that? Guess you better get to fixing ogonek then.
 
I guess it was just bad timing.
 
WTB Projection Matrices that work.
Will pay Biggu Dollars.
 
so x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc-4.8-stdthread-win64_rubenvb.7z runs on win64, and targets win64?
 
@ThePhD GLM
 
8:10 PM
@DeadMG well, you've got all of libstdc++ which should work, just that I can't verify it.
 
@ThePhD I used the default DirectXMath ones and still had trouble :/
 
@melak47 exactly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz s/GLM/GLM And DirectX Math are not working
 
@rubenvb can it also target win32, or do I need both for that :S
 
@ThePhD then you are doing it wrong.
 
8:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz, it is, qouting:
Problem Event Name: BEX
 
So I've been told...
 
@BartekBanachewicz yep :D
 
@rubenvb It ain't gonna work if Clang won't parse the headers because it can't deal with braced init lists which libstdc++'s headers use. Or did you mean your test cases use that?
 
@melak47 no, I don't do multilib. You need two seperate toolchains.
 
@rubenvb blergh :p
 
8:11 PM
@DeadMG I meant my code using that construct.
 
orite
 
@melak47 i think it's really better less complicated
 
Stuff like void f(const std::vector<int>& bla = {}); wouldn't work with Clang and libstdc++.
But it should and it does on GCC 4.8.
 
maybe I'll get a Linux-targetting build of MinGW and see about testing targetting Wide (even if not the compiler itself) to another platform.
 
@DeadMG There is none.
 
8:13 PM
oh.
 
What Linux would it target? What glibc? What ld.so should it use?
Would that linux have lib64 or lib32?
 
I have no idea about any of those things.
 
or plain lib?
 
target ALL the platforms!
 
exactly. Every distro has its quirks on that level.
building GCC on that distro hides those things.
 
8:14 PM
so what you're saying is
 
Not to mention cross-compiling glibc.
 
there'd be no way to target Linux from Windows
 
@DeadMG yup
 
@sehe mingw-w64 is enough. mingw-w32doesn't exist.
 
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm
VEEERRRRY INTERESTING
 
8:14 PM
@rubenvb (I just fixed that)
 
well, that's dumb.
 
@sehe nope.
 
@DeadMG pro tip: reverse that. On linux: sudo apt-get mingw-w64 mingw32
 
god bless Windows.
 
@ThePhD uh oh
 
8:15 PM
@rubenvb edit fail :(
 
lol. Isn't mingw32 the old stuff that is replaced by mingw-w64 packages?
I think so.
 
@rubenvb I have both installed. Separately. On the same box.
 
maybe when Clang finishes libc++
 
@sehe huh. This is very much the old stuff you definitely don't want: packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/mingw32/filelist
 
oooh. Scons installer for windows asks what python to use. Sweeeet.
 
8:17 PM
ALthough that stuff is all old.
Fucking old Debian.
 
@rubenvb mmm. I'm not sure. I just apt-get a bunch :) It appears it doesn't conflict/ get in the way. Anyways dpkg --listfiles mingw32 | grep g++$ yields results, the other packages, negative
 
wait, what is the difference between mingw w32 and w64? :S
 
arch
 
so mingw w64 only targets 64 bit stuff? or what
 
@sehe yeah, they got renamed in newer releases. In Sid it's g++-mingw-w64
@melak47 wrong.
@sehe wrong.
 
8:19 PM
even I know better
 
@rubenvb lol
@rubenvb arch of libs, surely? what is the correct answer, if not "nothing"?
 
MinGW-w64 is a project like MinGW which provides Win32 API headers and libraries, i.e. the stuff that comes with ye olde Windows SDK.
MinGW is old and stale, and only caters for 32-bit.
 
Xeo
ITT: Naming fucked up all over the world.
 
Hm.
 
@rubenvb so what does -w64 refer to?
 
8:20 PM
MinGW-w64 is new and fresh, and allows for both 32 and 64-bit support. Hence the name.
Granted it is very confusing and you're not the first to have it wrong.
 
@rubenvb s/64/32/ then?!?
 
why not call it...MinGW 2012!
 
Hello again!
 
That's why I like to operate in the assumption ye olde MinGW doesn't exist.
 
How many people still have a 32-bit OS?
 
8:21 PM
1 min ago, by sehe
@rubenvb s/64/32/ then?!?
?
 
Just use MinGW-w64. Then there's two GCC triplets: x86_64-w64-mingw32 (64-bit target) and i686-w64-mingw32 (32-bit).
 
@Rapptz I'm guessing only @sehe.
 
@sehe i don't understand what you mean by that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel At work, yes
 
You should slap the powers that be.
 
8:23 PM
the -w64- is a "vendor" specification, used to tell GCC's configury hell that it should use the good stuff written by MinGW-w64 devs.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I have. But OTOH, I also have just 2GB of RAM.
 
I wonder if making one SConstruct for both linux and windows makes sense
 
not that MinGW is actually unusable bad or anything. MinGW-w64 is just... better. For all the right reasons.
 
Xeo
And OTOOH, my PC is like 6 years old.
 
@EtiennedeMartel on a daily basis
 
Xeo
8:24 PM
4 mins ago, by rubenvb
MinGW is old and stale, and only caters for 32-bit.
 
@sehe removing all important words in a sentence when quoting me isn't going to help me nor you.
 
Xeo
Note that there's no "-w64" in that message
 
@rubenvb THAT'S WHY I LINKED! God, I didn't make the effort for nothing.
 
I was very careful in my explanation. Please reread it.
 
Are you actually misreading it or what?
 
8:24 PM
@sehe lol.
 
Xeo
@sehe You did. :P
 
@rubenvb You were careful enough to confuse the hell out of me. Meh. I don't really need to know right now.
 
Xeo
You linked the wrong message, which should've also cleared the misunderstanding
 
Lol.
 
Xeo
Are you ignoring me now?
 
8:25 PM
ITT: Massive amounts of comma fucking.
 
@sehe MinGW-w64 is similar to MinGW except it supports both 32-bit and 64-bit. However, MinGW-w64 still has the old WinAPI that is 32-bit.
That's what I got out of it.
 
@Xeo Two messages appear to contradict. A third might be a hint to disambiguate, but doesn't really remove the contradiction. Not for an autist like me, anyway.
 
Xeo
@sehe Check again which messages you linked
 
@Rapptz Okay. That's neutral things, that refers to 1 thing only. Not a lot to guide choice by. But I'm clearly missing something
 
Since SCons wiki is dead, can anyone tell me how to set up compiler binary path for it?
And to tell it to actually use MinGW?
 
8:27 PM
@sehe I'll try again. Windows SDK = Official Microsoft headers/libs. MinGW = old and 32-bit only public domain windows headers and libraries. MinGW-w64 32 and 64-bit public domain (+GPL ReactOS DDK and WINE DirectX) headers+libraries. I pretend MinGW doesn't exist, and operate out of the assumption you aren't using my toolchains when you run into GCC on Windows trouble.
 
@Xeo I just did. Both talk about exactly the same name "MinGW-w64"
 
Xeo
@sehe Read the message below your first linked one
7 mins ago, by rubenvb
MinGW is old and stale, and only caters for 32-bit.
 
@rubenvb Okay! Clear.
 
Xeo
No -w64 in there.
 
OK. Glad we cleared that out.
 
8:28 PM
@ScottW what?
 
Please spread the word. I've explained this about a thousand times by now (not your fault!)
 
@Xeo I can see that. However, since the relation with the other claims is ... implied only, there is room for confusion. I'm proof of that :)
@rubenvb Will keep a bookmark
 
I have a question, that is probably dumb.
 
And don't spread FUD about the two projects, nor about the meaning of MinGW(-w64). None of it involves a GCC port. Both use vanilla GCC to provide a free Windows toolchain.
 
8:29 PM
@Rapptz Those are the best
 
@sehe Indeed.
 
/rant.
 
Xeo
Ask away, we will mock you after the fact.
 
And before
 
Xeo
And during
And without any fact at all
 
8:30 PM
And now.
 
And you will be stigmatized until your dying days.
 
like you?
 
Both the toolchains targeting win32 and win64 have both g++.exe and [target]-mingw32-g++.exe
what's the difference?
 
symlink?
 
@Rapptz nothing. It's to make autocruft build systems work.
 
user142019
8:31 PM
HHELLOO
 
@Rapptz Gee. I remember asking a similar question chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/8497198#8497198
 
@ThePhD so, what was so very INTERESTING?
 
@melak47 Nothing. I just am watching both GLM and DirectX fail to provide matrices that work with their own APIs.
 
@rubenvb So I should just use g++.exe and ignore i686-w64-mingw32-g++.exe?
 
It's very hilarious.
 
8:33 PM
DX's matrices do work with their own APIs
 
m_camera->setClippingPlanes(near, far);, and then I get function does not take 0 arguments.
 
@Rapptz yes.
 
WELL, YEAH.
 
Okay! Cool.
 
@ThePhD Are you seeing zebras?
 
Xeo
8:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Haha, macro awesomeness? :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm seeing horses and zebras.
 
@Rapptz if you check /usr/bin on Linux, you'll also see both gcc and something like x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc. Same thing here.
Well shit. Boost triggers a -Wconversion warning.
The bastards.
 
Clang's headers are full of warnings.
 
@Xeo Guess what?
 
it's ridiculous
 
8:36 PM
My parameters are called near and far.
 
Hey dead, were you the one telling me about making the collision manager thing for pong?
 
Xeo
#define near #define far Windows <3
 
TURNS OUT WINDEF.H HAS SOME PRETTY COOL MACROS
 
@DeadMG you mean MSVC warnings? Those are just plain dumb.
 
Xeo
Segmented pointers FTW!
 
8:37 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Can you undefine them?
 
Xeo
sure
 
@Rapptz I'll just rename my variables to nearZ and farZ.
 
@EtiennedeMartel like what? :3
 
@ScottW I actually only like you as a friend
 
#define far
#define near
 
8:38 PM
Should I write one boost.spirit parser for commandline args and sort their meaning per program, or write a specialized parser in each tool?
 
Seems to be for pascal-related stuff
 
Or can I extend a basic parser in each program to specialize it?
And no, I'm not using Boost.program_options.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Segmented pointers
 
Anyway.
WIINNDOOOOOOWWWSSSS!!!!!!
 
Xeo
haha
 
8:39 PM
*shakes fist*
 
Xeo
Those two catch everyone trying their hand at 3D stuff on windows the first time, I guess
It cought us when creating the Windows emulation of our Wii game
 
You should #define WIN32_MEAN_AND_LEAN always anyways.
 
@rubenvb That doesn't stop it.
 
oh
 
Xeo
The worst part was that some Nintendo header included Windows.h and had near and far variables. :|
 
8:40 PM
I ran into the same problem when making my matrix library.
 
*shakes fist*
 
WINDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWS
*shakes fist* !
 
Sorry chap, as appropriate as this is, it's a gif.
 
aw :(
 
Xeo
I'm too slow with one hand
4
 
8:41 PM
^ So much out of context fun.
 
I didn't even have time to edit it to not embed :(
 
@Xeo Slow jerkin'
 
Xeo
I saw that cuming even before sending it.
 
^ laaaaaame
 
@EtiennedeMartel Or it could be that it just takes two~
Ahhhnnn, so much~
 
Xeo
8:43 PM
Sometimes, I'm seriously creeped out by @ThePhD
 
<3
Just doin' mah job. :3c
 
what kind of stupid design ever lead to this
It's a cross-platform nightmare.
 
@Xeo So what?
 
fuck. I am pretty sure I am setting PATH for scons properly, but it can't find gcc. Hints?
(I am using env.PrependENVPath)
 
Don't use Scons.
 
8:48 PM
what.
 
Eat scones instead.
 
... anyway, it's by far most intuitive build tool I've tried
 
Xeo
Maybe not, if it can't find your GCC :)
 
You are the first person I've heard that likes Scons.
Then again I don't hear people talk about it much
 
@Rapptz Robot uses it for Ogonek.
 
8:49 PM
I don't recall him saying he likes it.
 
Well, he still uses it.
 
Most of ogonek is header only with the exception of the dictionary.
 
Mar 10 at 9:22, by Bartek Banachewicz
what are you using to build ogonek?
 
@Rapptz I like it too
 
@sehe :D two now.
 
8:51 PM
I don't count, huh?
 
@Rapptz Aaand the robot. Two persons, and a robot
 
> Ogonek is mostly header-only. The only part that needs compilation is the data in the Unicode Character Database. Currently I am translating the database to C++ source as static initializers (I am aware of benefits and drawbacks of this and other approaches and may or may not change in future versions).
 
:O
 
8:52 PM
THE PONY IS ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE
 
You seriously do not understand where I'm going with this.
:(
 
I don't.
You need to compile shit => use scons.
 
there isn't much to build
 
how is that relevant to anything?
 
sigh.
 
8:53 PM
Scons is silly.
 
Xeo
Eh, I'm not about to take you seriously any time soon.
 
you should ask @R.MartinhoFernandes whether he really likes it or not when he's around
I certainly like it more than makefilez.
 
I should never be taken seriously ever.
4
 
Noted
 
Every word out of my mouth is basically the verbal equivalent of silly puddy.
2
 
8:54 PM
don't worry
 
Likewise, I don't have a favourite build system.
 
s/puddy/putty
 
Puddy, because it sounds sillier. :3c
 
you just saying it makes it sound sillier
or typing it...
/crickets
 

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