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17:00
@R.MartinhoFernandes but it's got you thinking now :P
also, is that word considered good for testing kerning?
@ThePhD Dry brain wave measuring is a finicky business because the skull and skin are not particularly good conductors, and we don't want to stab electrodes into people's heads. So it's important to know if the device is adjusted properly to the subject's head. Impedance tells you that.
I don't think he's got enough resolution to make it look any better. Of course, if he multiplies up the font size, it may look terrible again.
@thecoshman Nothing special about it, AFAIK, but it had one of the most obvious displays of wrongness in our interface.
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make sense.
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Makes sense*
17:02
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah
I don't know any particularly good word for testing this, as it probably depends highly on the font.
@R.MartinhoFernandes probably yes
(Say, a font with \/-shaped Vs and a font with \|-shaped Vs would have quite different kerning parameters for Vs)
@R.MartinhoFernandes but now we are entering the realm of "is there a right shape for 'v'"
@thecoshman I think both shapes I (attempted) described are perfectly cromulent.
17:06
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, cromulent indeed... wait... no squiggly line...
But the second would probably need no kerning adjustment on the right, while the first would want to pull things on the right closer to it. (It's quite obvious if you get kerning, but I'm not sure I can explain without the ability to draw shapes on paper)
@thecoshman haha
I think I have found what should now be Computer Science 101
@MohammadAliBaydoun Yeah, that's what you get from bird-dogging.
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17:09
A coworker discovered the weirdest of bugs in VC++ today.
When he inherited from `std::array`, and passed that as the point-type to a particular kdtree template implementation, and *then* instantiated the "nearest neighbor" iterator, cl decided to loop endlessly.
If he instead made a typedef for `std::array`, it compiled fine.
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hahahahahahahaah
That sounds awesome. (in a FFS kind of way)
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It's weird as fuck
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... o.0
I need a State in JS
17:10
Anyway, I can now close my screen magnifier and stop staring at the goddamn pixels.
I AM FREE. I made all the text uglies go away.
I know how that sounds
but I need it
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FWIW, State is being slightly annoying right now for me
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't know you and pixels had a relationship.
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@BartekBanachewicz Dude, it sounds like you need more hammers.
17:11
I thought about just using Haskell, but I need to modify State in a way that adds new method to the s
@ThePhD I am not a pixel, I am a free man. youtube.com/watch?v=Xcaxlxgnvf0
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am begging for one for like two hours
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... was the n sitting a bit high?
maybe I'm just dumb
@TonyTheLion I've spent the last days debugging one-pixel-off issues with our text (yes, we're stable enough that we can afford to deal with that)
17:12
but I can't think of a way better than State here
and I found myself passing the context by hand myself
:/
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh wow
rather you than me
@R.MartinhoFernandes and there are no features you could be adding? is kerning really the best thing you could be spending your time optimising?
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@BartekBanachewicz Sooo... what about OO polymorphism again?
@thecoshman We're not going to add features for a release on Friday.
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And kerning is serious business.
17:13
@Xeo Not after 17:00 - it's illegal.
I feel like a lawyer :\
@Xeo There's no multiple inheritance in TS
and I need a behavioral chain so inheritance is a poor tool to model it
@Pawnguy7 Everyone hates you?
@thecoshman And to be honest, the "Impe dances" screenshot I posted was quite serious, don't you think?
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... can't you branch and start on the next release? vOv
17:14
Well no.
(nevermind that that was not how it looked at first, only the result of one of my misguided attempts to fix it)
@Pawnguy7 You make a ridiculous amount of money?
Also no.
@R.MartinhoFernandes :P
For various essays I need to write, I need topics.
17:15
or a behavioral tree, as I already said
In this case, it was persuasion.
@thecoshman We're a small team and all three of us are fixing minor bugs.
well maybe I could use a tree
@R.MartinhoFernandes fair enough. I guess they have to be done at some stage
The only thing that came to mind I feel strongly about is bad internet comments, but I don't know what to do about them, and non-frequent web surfers probably don't know.
So, I looked up a list.
And found banning smoking.
I'm thinking about everything functionally now :/
One of the points was to be that it is costly.
But that is partially because higher taxes caused by this...
@thecoshman But we have a bunch of stuff scheduled for design or re-design after this release.
I don't know what to do here :\
17:17
I, and three other curry fanatics, are going out as a team tonight. Plan is a massive blowout at the Barn plus beer later. I exepct there will be another blowout at home tomorrow morning.
@MartinJames I'm going to a Belgian beer bar for a friend's goodbye party.
@MartinJames luckily, I'be never suffered from 'curry shits'
sadly, suffered from all too many cases of shit curry :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yay! Good way to celebrate your font victory. Not 100% sure what will happen tonite - No night-out plan ever survives contact with the first bar.
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Hm, I'm out of foods again
@MartinJames Well, we're celebrating his new job in Belgium, not my victory against the pixels.
@Xeo That seems to be a recurring theme here in the lounge.
17:21
TIL: Never ever let anyone touch your anus.
Not even a doctor.
zch
zch
Food s universal topic.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Make it a joint party, (or whatever your recreational drug of choice:).
zch
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Everybody discusses it.
@Jefffrey We don't want to know.
I know. But I had to share my pain with someone.
17:23
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think you have the bigger win :P
@Jefffrey erm... are you sure that was the doctor?
@thecoshman Yeah - anyone can go out get another job, but font-rendering...(~~shudder~~).
"Slayer of pixels" sounds like a cool thing to put on my business cards.
I don't have business cards.
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@jefffrey you have a bad doctor
@thecoshman No, actually. Those official-looking papers appended on the walls might be fake. :(
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I think you can already put that on your card if you've ever played any 2D action game.
17:26
@R.MartinhoFernandes Put it on your CV too. You're sure to get loads of work fixing keming. I'm sure you'd enjoy that.
@Ell He whispered nice things into my ears during the visit. He is nice. His hands on the other hand...
@MartinJames Oh gosh.
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@Jefffrey Does NOOOOOT sound like a doctor to me.
@MartinJames I don't want to like that... even though it was fun :S
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's too late now. All the loungers know where to call for font issues:)
17:27
@R.MartinhoFernandes you should. I should.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Good thing I broke that message off from Jefffrey's
@thecoshman I have a hundred half-done now.
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you just cut 50 in half?
@thecoshman lol, no.
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Are you making them by hand?
17:27
I bought one-hundred blank cards.
@Xeo As soon as I have a plan.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you building each one up from individual fibres?
@BartekBanachewicz still working on harvest?
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@Pawnguy7 No, on his addiction to Haskell. He's in a self-help group now.
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No, wait, not one hundred. Only fifty.
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Aww, man
17:28
damn it, one KSP mod too far :(
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@R.MartinhoFernandes So you really have 100 half-done. As soon as you get 100, you just hand them out.
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I can't static_cast void** to another T** :c
@Xeo They're all blank.
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As I said.
@ThePhD The same way you can't cast A* to unrelated B*. (where A = void* and B = T*)
17:29
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guessed that - you cannot decide on what font to use.
@MartinJames I'm doing them by hand.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes But I do that all the time with static_cast
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T* x = static_cast<T*>( myvoidptr );
@ThePhD Not with unrelated types.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would seem to be easier, given recent experience.
17:30
@ThePhD But void* is special. void** isn't void*, it's just another A*.
@Xeo how can you not be addicted to Haskell once you try it?
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Oh.
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Well, damn.
@Pawnguy7 yes
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@R.MartinhoFernandes static_cast<T**>(static_cast<void*>(double_void_ptr)) :D
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17:31
I wonder how I'd go from void** to T** and to void** ...
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@Xeo I wonder if that works. o.0
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Let's try it!
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(I shouldn't have written the above snippet. I know I'll regret it.)
@Xeo Dude, you brought ThePhD back and wrote that.
Hi everyone
:)
that is so cute
I'm still having problems with the concept of void**
can someone help me how to write while loop , consider integer 10 , i want to start with 0 with an increment 0.2
@Theorem Oh dear...
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10 / 0.2 = 50
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17:34
start with 0, increment by 1, until 50
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use integers.
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Stop. Bad PhD. Don't help the vampires.
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:c Sorry.
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well, I've done it.
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ID3D11RenderTargetView** rendertargetviews = static_cast<ID3D11RenderTargetView**>( static_cast<void*>( irendertargets.data( ) ) );
		auto& devicecontext = ref_get<ID3D11DeviceContext>( devicecontextresource );
		devicecontext.OMSetRenderTargets( static_cast<uint32>( index + 1 ), rendertargetviews,
			static_cast<ID3D11DepthStencilView*>( idepthstencils[ index ] ) );

		activert = index;
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17:36
Let the horrors begin!
@Borgleader oh
@Theorem wait what
Every single death in the Game of Thrones series is marked here. File under: proof that George RR Martin is ruthless http://t.co/UxYv3y11H6
@MartinJames : sorry , i just started programming yesterday :P
@Theorem use haskell
17:37
@BartekBanachewicz what is haskell :P ?
@MartinJames why?
@StackedCrooked Novice programmer, FP loops..
@Theorem a programming language that suits your name (like APL) but slightly less insane
@Theorem the only reasonable programming language around
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Can we have a "no extremists" rule?
17:39
@ThePhD Oh god. Unihan /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
We should have known. It sounds almost like union, but you need to know, that still does not make it UB...
@Xeo Definitely not! Or I will blow this room up.
@Xeo I already have one of my own - I ignore the 'Haskell is supreme' posts.
@BartekBanachewicz how ..reasonable
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where "Reasonable" applies to languages, not their practitioners [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-questions]
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17:42
@sehe Yeaaah, but it also sounds cool and enables me to do all those fancy text transformations on CJK data!
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... Except I don't do them just yet, but at least it's there. >.>
Sounds cool
@ThePhD What kinds of transformations?
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Okay, time to catch me some food. Didn't eat anything but some cookies all day.
Bring popcorn
17:47
@R.MartinhoFernandes garble
rot13
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Unihan's primary purpose is to allow for mappings from the different external encodings (GB, SHIFT JIS, CNS) to be mapped to a single codepoint. This is necessary because of Han Unification, where ideographs that don't have the same meaning in certain languages are still considered the same if that same ideograph is shared between multiple languages (very much the case between Chinese and Japanese, and sometimes Korean).
@ThePhD Meh, that's not a "fancy text transformation"
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I guess so. Maybe it's just more of an encoding dealio.
It's just something to appease angry Japanese people.
17:51
Watched first three episodes of Space Battleship Yamato yesterday. It looks promising.
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Still, they include a lot of information in the Unihan.
@ThePhD I know. But most of it is useful for doing analysis, not transforms.
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/angry/ethnocentric/
@R.MartinhoFernandes How was your talk?
@JerryCoffin There's a difference?
@bamboon Went pretty well.
17:53
Looking at the slides it seems like it was a short talk. (Which would be good imo.)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Awesome, sharing the slides somehow?
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@BartekBanachewicz The order of shaders is Vertex -> Hull -> Domain -> Geometry -> Pixel , right?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. Using "ethnocentric" renders the pleonasm more obvious.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oops, got it!
@ThePhD Something like that. Don't forget Compute, which occurs whenever I think.
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17:55
Compute is kind of "out of the pipeline" because it can do whatever the fuck it wants.
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@StackedCrooked ooh, we just finished watching that a few weeks ago
It's great.
you watch with other people?
It seems great yes :)
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Yeah, Yamato was one of the things I watched with a buddy when I came over on weekends
The other is now Kill la Kill
@ThePhD Keeping in mind that the differences in meaning are sometimes subtle enough that it's about like Spanish-, French- and Italian-speaking people each demanding their own "A".
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We need to find something besides that, though
17:57
Best slides ever seen!
@DeadMG computation is what happens whenever we both putate
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ComPutin shader?
@bamboon need to draw more attention, methinks
@JerryCoffin And that encoding meaning is just an insane goal.
@sehe Please don't give Microsoft any ideas about "COM putate"!
17:58
@Xeo In soviet Russia, Comrads compute shaders.
@sehe hmm sorry, what do you mean?
@bamboon I'm presuming you don't mean the slides in the swimming pool
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5 mins ago, by bamboon
@R.MartinhoFernandes Awesome, sharing the slides somehow?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno about that--maybe I should demand a new encoding every time I make a pun... :-)

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