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hmm... ...only around 70wpm for me
I learned how to make tacos from him, @R.MartinhoFernandes :)
> Does this apply to green teas as well?
Hmm, not sure
This is one of the rare cases where I absolutely do not adhere with the humor
Wasting food is bad and that guy should feel bad
00:05
if we only spent a carton of milk for each million of people to be entertained, it'd be pretty damn cheap
By that logic killing someone for the entertainment of billions would be pretty damn cheap too
By your own flawed logic, may be, idk.
Oh, well. Carry on being a little privileged idiot then. For my entertainment. Idk.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dafuq is wrong with that guy.
basically everything he ever does is break eggs
the bread defrost one, I was like, "Cool, he's gonna set the bread on fire!". Nope, just more egg breaking.
@DeadMG And spill milk all over the table/bathroom.
00:10
@R.MartinhoFernandes Far from just milk.
Ell
Ell
Hi guys
@NolwennLeGuen You're off by a few orders of magnitude. The value of a human life has been estimated as ~10 million USD, compared to a few dollars for milk. So you'd have to entertain a few trillion to be of the same damn cheapness.
Ell
Ell
Do any of you have a problem with power->micro USB in general?
none of mine seem to work reliably
> how much money do you spend on cleaning supplies?
@DeadMG Guy's just bananas.
@Ell You mean like a phone-charging adapter?
Ell
Ell
00:15
Yeah
I have an Asus, a HTC and a generic one and none of them work reliably :o
Maybe its my tablet
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Q: Javascript form validation, too many if statements?

MikeI have a form with five elements, firstName, lastName, username, password and passwordConfirmation function validateRegistrationForm(firstName, lastName, username, password, passwordConfirmation) { formReset(); //alert("validateRegistrationForm() has been called"); var firstName = firstName; //...

I'd like to reply something like "this is already pretty damn optimal"
@Mechanicalsnail LOL
I just got wrecked by that Zoltan ship.
Ell
Ell
Charger, y u no charge?
@Ell first, you need to define charge :)
00:26
Well, night
Jan 5 at 10:56, by Ell
Hmm. Can anyone suggest a way to define charge?
Ell
Ell
Heh :P
@sehe #define charge
@Ell A good memory for useless things ...
^ confirmed
00:27
Hehe.
35 mins ago, by Nolwenn Le Guen
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@sehe About 30Hz I go down.
If it is accurate I drop at ~50 Hz
@DeadMG Me too, around that same area. Can't really turn the volume up though. And I don't have woofers. I'm sure otherwise... because my amplifier is THX certified and the PC is attached with optical cable
@JohanLarsson Ew. Small speakers
@JohanLarsson Yeah this is reasonably accurate
@sehe yeah small by computer sounds good though, you into hifi?
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00:31
Happstack is funny.
-1
Q: Arrays of strings with pointers

UnderDogIn the following code: int main() { char names[2][11] = {"Manchester","Party"}; char (*jk)[11]; jk = names; // LINE 1 char gaming[10] = {"Jetking"}; char (*po)[10]; po = &gaming; // LINE 2 cout<<"PO is "<<*po; Line 2 requ...

~55Hz
Anyway. Off to bed!
@sehe With my headphones I can hear it down till 3Hz. Are you sure that's accurate?
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Are you sure your headphones are accurate? :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not saying your hardware rendering is accurate. I was gauging the accuracy of the frequency displayed relative to the sound signal heard
@JohanLarsson Yup. But I don't care much about computer noises
@GigaBass Rather nice site. 'real life' enough. Me with my (absent) typing system did 66 wpm on the first two samples (avg). That is a reprieve. It's certainly not very fast, but I always do very badly on the 'old fashioned' proper typing tests with random letter patterns
00:42
@sehe What is wrong with computers? Have you tried/heard about this btw?
@JohanLarsson They make irrelevant noises. I have other players for media
@JohanLarsson Haven't heard about that. I use Edirol UA-25
@sehe ok, might be similar, same ugly studio look so it is probably good
I've been thinking about upgrading speakers & amp but am pretty clueless
I think it's actually the Roland 'B' brand, so not top of the line
@sehe what is the rest of your stereo?
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01:03
Hmm.
@JohanLarsson It's an Onkyo receiver 7x100 Watt THX certified
> What’s next, claiming that AdBlock is inspecting and subverting Internet traffic, and hence a crime under the Wiretap Act? -- here
anything thx certified is going to have amazing S/N and amazing low frequency performance
@StackedCrooked what's up with Mashiba's sister? She's been to all those fights and she >still< doesn't know it's Ippo that's crushing her brother's face in? LoLoL!
@doug65536 These days, THX certified is getting pretty common. I have ogled 'standard' desktops that come with THX sounds cards. However, my setup is >10 years old and that was pretty rare back then
@kfmfe04 A hippo will crush a face anyday. It just massively outweighs the odds
@sehe rofl - I was referring to Hajime no Ippo - an Anime StackedCrooked told me to watch... ...but I agree, a hippo would also crush her brother's face in
and so would a 10ton white polar bear
01:12
I thought you were. However, for lack of context, I thought I'd just make a little fun
yes, sound cards commonly have amazing signal to noise ratios now. that's the main thing, power supply noise. todays motherboards have massive overkill power filtering on sound card for THX cert
it's trivial (today) to generate a really really good line-level audio signal
But then we spoil it all with amplification :)
yep lol
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I'm going to write a distributed bug tracker.
that's where they start shoveling tradeoffs into it
01:17
@Zoidberg wasn't hexapoda distributed?
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No, all the rewrites were centralized.
@doug65536 and with some good reason
@Zoidberg that sucks.
I remember being able to hear motherboard crosstalk noise through my monitor speaker. You could hear the distinctive sector read loop noise pattern on commodore 128D
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I think I'm going with a Git-like model.
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Multiple remotes, multiple copies of the bug DB, clone/pull/push.
01:21
@doug65536 is not the jitter a problem? I don't even know what it sounds like tbh but DAC's are pretty hot when reading hifi forums
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And of course, comments.
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On pull, you also get notified of any comments on your reports or reports you're watching.
well, if you run them at 96KHz or higher sampling frequency and mix in 24-bit format, the noise gets pushed into very very high frequencies. I'm no elecronics engineer though
you can easily filter those ridiculously high frequencies, and algorithmically compensate for any non-linearities that you find when testing the design. You end up with an excellent signal
@doug65536 from what I have read you want a clock that is not the cpu, but maybe the guy who wrote it was the guy selling a dac
@doug65536 yup me too, on my current PC as well, which is partly why I have the external sound card
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01:26
@sehe wat
lulz
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klootzakz
you're welcome. It's public domain
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A bug with its legs taped together with red and blue ducttape?
Naw. It's legs broken. To make it distributed. And some colour added.
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01:27
@sehe hey hey hey it's a derived work from something I'm the copyright holder of!
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You can't just release it in the public domain. :P
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Distributed bug tracker: written in Erlang and runs across multiple servers.
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And it's web scale.
@Zoidberg Not really. I created this from scratch. And you didn't register a trademark nor a brand. You fail.
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:P
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01:30
$ hxp init
$ hxp new
$ hxp remote add origin [email protected]:daknok/hexapoda.hxp
$ hxp push -u origin
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Workflow. :P
make it a git extension then
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@sehe Okay, okay [email protected]:daknok/hexapoda.git. git extension.
@Zoidberg That sounds rather silly.
@JohanLarsson no matter how perfect we make an audio device, audiophiles will never be happy with it
01:32
robot
they want ∞ S/N
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Who doesn't?
it occurs to me that the interface I have proposed for my encoded_string is vastly more amenable to performant COW than std::string.
Most of the time I just want signal. Any signal.
01:33
"Oh, this tool has a bug. Let's report it." ... "Wait, I need to install this thing and take n zillion steps." ... "Meh, let's go shopping".
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I don't want signals. Signals are terrible.
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Let me just use Mach messages already.
@DeadMG Would it perform reliably and well under concurrent programs?
ya but signals are great when you are testing an FFT you wrote
@Zoidberg :0
01:33
@sehe I actually think that it might.
@DeadMG So, you don't use any locks, while keeping it thread safe? Sounds interesting
unlike std::string, there is no indexing operator, and the operator* is read-only access
in fact, there are very few ways to mutate the string
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You can implement a string as a lock-free, atomic queue of characters. Not that it's a good idea. :P
@DeadMG That's a good start
that should keep the false positive rate much, much lower than std::string, where virtually every access could be a write.
01:36
@doug65536 that is true, I read a discussion where they discussed if using RAID would hurt sound quality. My estimate is that 50% of the involved were serious :)
@JohanLarsson lol. That's rather extreme. Allthough, I do have a fetish for silent computers. And I mean silent
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@R.MartinhoFernandes you only need to init and add remote once.
@Zoidberg So what?
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That's probably even less effort than with most other bug trackers.
01:37
@JohanLarsson lol. tell them to underclock and undervolt their CPU's for reduced switching noise and EFI
@Zoidberg not with bugseverywhere
@doug65536 tell them to buy a piano and learn how to play.
(up-arrow to edit)
ya I know, too lazy this time
thx though
:)
I'm going to hit the sack. i've got a headache burgeoning
01:42
@sehe I have a close to ideal setup for that, computer in another room, just keyboard & screens where I use it
@JohanLarsson I just have fanless computers. Works a treat
Only that day where you find that your new Samsung monitor has a buzz unless to set the brightness at precisely the right value... I was almost going to return it :0
ssd I assume? hdd's sounds quite a lot
@JohanLarsson ssd obviously
I had that with a Samsung monitor actually, it failed after a couple of months
mine is still going strong after about 4 years
01:46
30"?
@JohanLarsson nah 23" (SyncMaster 2343BW) awesome resolution: 2048x1152 (which is hard to come by these days)
I want to replace my other monitor but keep finding that 'Full HD' (lol...) is about what you can realistically get these days.
So much for the HD TV revolution: it just means the end of decent computer monitor resolutions
Hey
all
ah a notepad! A wonder you didn't post a BOM first :)
can anyone point me to a way to learn c overnight
i have to take a course tommorow
01:50
@Cygwinnian good luck. On a Sunday as well?
yup
:(
and c is very confusing
its whack
there are no objects :(
Well, I know only of a book that teaches C++ in 10 minutes. But C? That's gonna be tough
@Cygwinnian There are int x = 42; -- there, an object
@sehe I got the cheap Dell 30" after Samsung it works ok. 30" is a must for coding imo
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Q: LNK2001 Unresolved external array,I can't manage to find the cause of this?

BogomilI've been getting a linker error in my C++ project for the last 2 days that I can't seem to fix, the error is: error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "struct Engine::ThreadPayLoad * payLoad" (?payLoad@@3PAUThreadPayLoad@Engine@@A) C:\Users\Blight\Desktop\Engine\Engine\RendererDX11.obj It's ...

@JohanLarsson what's the resolution on the dell? (linky to specs?)
01:52
@sehe 2560x1600
@JohanLarsson I guess that'd work on 30" - linky? Is it still being made?
Oh wait
That's $1000
@sehe I did not find model number on it but it looks like the one, guess it is still being made
@doug65536 Yes, boost::array was one of many.
@sehe You have that? Man you,re fancy...
I have one of those: newegg.ca/Product/…
@Borgleader I most certainly don't
13 mins ago, by sehe
@JohanLarsson nah 23" (SyncMaster 2343BW) awesome resolution: 2048x1152 (which is hard to come by these days)
02:01
It would suck that you can brag with a 30" monitor ..with a Dell logo on it.
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Damn.
@StackedCrooked My thought too. I'm not paying 1000 anytime soon
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I want a type trait that tells me whether a type is an Objective-C class.
@Zoidberg It's possible
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@StackedCrooked How?
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02:02
The C++ standard library doesn't have such a thing.
@Zoidberg It's called std::gtfo<T>::value
@Zoidberg amazing
Don't all objectiv c classes have certain methods or properties in common?
You can craft a type trait with SFINAE.
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@StackedCrooked Nope.
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Well wait.
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They are all convertible to id.
02:04
SFINAE? as in Some Fucking Idiom Noone Actually Employs?
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@kfmfe04 Mashiba was a hell of an opponent though :)
@Borgleader Sorry I'll never do it agin.
@StackedCrooked lol I just tried to make a funny =/
Sorry For Inadveredly Nuking Any Eligibility.
Which doesn't make sense unfortunately.
i hate my life
:(
Hey @Andrew
hows it going?
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You're not alone.
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02:07
I also hate your life.
You're surrounded by suckers lol
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You're not alone.
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I also hate your life.
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You know.
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02:08
@StackedCrooked Thanks.
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Types that have a member of type id named isa, which is at offset 0 are Objective-C class types.
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So I can use SFINAE.
@Zoidberg Is a user defined type declared in C++, but having a id isa member also compatible with ObjC/considered an ObjC class?
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@sehe yup.
So off you go, on your merry way, armed with offsetof and some types of failsafes :)
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02:13
Wait. Damn.
@sehe offsetof is UB on non-standard-layout classes.
I think.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's part of the failsafes...
I was being a bit sarcastic too:
11 mins ago, by sehe
@Zoidberg It's called std::gtfo<T>::value
I did know that. My point is "that isn't trivial"(/"why do you bother"?)
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isa must be of type Class, not id. :P
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02:15
Objective-C classes are trivial, I think.
So, why is detecting them not? Perhaps they're too trivial
@sehe He is so young. He can still afford to blow all cannons on a squirrel.
Anyways, I reckon that if offsetof is UB for non-stdlayout types, then perhaps the 'at offset 0' isn't so hard or ObjC classes are always stdlayout (possible for all I know but unlikely)
What is a non-standard-layout-class?
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One for which std::is_standard_layout<T>::value == false. :^)
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02:18
Damn. I need an Objective-C runtime library. :<
Oh, it can't reliably determine what the offset will be at runtime.
I would guess.
Although, if it can read from the members then it should now the offsets anyway.
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Fuck.
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#include <iostream>
#include <type_traits>

@interface Foo
@end

@implementation Foo
@end

int main() {
    std::cout << std::is_standard_layout<Foo>::value << '\n';
}
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Output is 0. :'(
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Oh, I know.
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02:22
I can just use std::is_convertible<T*, id>::value. :P
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And if you use a class that defines operator id(), well... fuck you.
question
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I could also use SFINAE and decltype([T class]) to check whether it responds to Objective-C messages. That may be a better idea.
i and trying to go throught my vector using size_t
any idea how i can do that?
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You mean iteration?
02:26
i know how to do with iteration
but i am trying to understand and use std::size_t
He wants thought.
can't one want to breify example to me?
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for (std::size_t i = 0; i < vec.size(); ++i)?
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But seriously, use for (auto& x : xs).
02:27
@RyanFung You should not use std::size_t but std::vector<T>::size_type instead.
Technically.
what is size_t
isn't that just int?
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No.
i see you increment i in size_t i inside the for loop
int is signed 32-bit. size_t is most likely 64-bit unsigned. (on 64-bit platforms that is)
so i was thinking whether or not it is just a int
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02:28
@RyanFung See here.
o...so it;s like an address
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No.
size_t is unsigned int iirc
size_t is an unsigned 64-bit integer.
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02:29
It's a type that can hold the size of any type.
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@Borgleader no.
(on 64-bit platformas, that is)
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On my machine, std::size_t is unsigned long (long?).
On my machine it fits your mom.
@Zoidberg Most likely unsigned long.
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assert(sizeof(yo_momma) == 0); // warning: expression overflows
02:30
unsigned int __w64
@Zoidberg during macro expansion
yo_momma breaks expands macro expansion
because they can't expand when she's there.
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lol
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CoffeeScript-like language that compiles to C++.
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firstHundredOddNumbers = (x * 2 - 1 for x in [1..100])
02:34
python-esque
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// compiles to
auto firstHundredOddNumbers = [&] {
    std::vector<int> _xs;
    for (int x = 1; x <= 100; ++x) xs.push_back(x * 2 - 1);
    return _xs;
}();
Very good!
@Zoidberg auto f100odd = boost::irange(1,101) | filtered(arg1 % 2 == 1);
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I like f100odd = (x * 2 - 1 for x in [1..100]) better.
anyone how do i return a program status in my main?
just exit( a number here)?
02:36
whoops auto f100odd = boost::irange(1,101) | transformed(arg1 * 2 - 1);
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int main() {
    return 42;
}
@RyanFung lol
wow
i thought you can only return 0
lol
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The implementation of the C runtime on my machine does this:
02:37
@RyanFung you mentioned "return"
in main
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exit(main(argc, argv, env));
@RyanFung why would you have to return it then?
@Zoidberg UB. You can't call main inside your program
For professionalism!
return an error
02:37
lol
@RyanFung but it can only be 0, you contradict yourself
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@sehe Who cares. It's the implementation of crt0 on my machine.
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@sehe You can in C.
if fail
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And it's not UB in C++. It's impossible.
02:38
@Zoidberg Verboten
Calling main. The fucker.
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Implement division by three without using +, -, *, / or % operators.
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Okay. x /= 3;.
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People y no think outside the box.
New One Piece episode will soon be released. Meanwhile I can watch Fairy Tail.
@Zoidberg Oh you!
You broke the contest. Happy now?
02:42
@RyanFung you can use the constants EXIT_SUCCESS or EXIT_FAILURE
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l
m
ryanair
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fifa
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02:42
uefa
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ECMA
Are you guys retarded?
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Yep.
Sometimes. Why?
Just checking
02:43
Oh. Thanks
@Borgleader your checking behavior is slightly neurotic.
@Zoidberg banana football stigma etna
@StackedCrooked That's because I am slightly neurotic ;)
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I'm going to do that CoffeeScript-like thing for C++ and I'll call it C++++.
but checking is a requirement for winning
according to the rules of chess
02:44
non-neurotic checking
@sehe Oh you! You got me :)
@Zoidberg Nah. Call it ++C++
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C+=1
@sehe Aiming for the ugliest name ever?
Whats a good way to parse mathematical equations? I can only think of Recursive Descent
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Coffee++
02:45
@StackedCrooked I'd call it UB++
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TheLanguageOfCuntSuck++
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@Borgleader Using a mathematical equation parser.
I was thinking of writing one
@Borgleader That depends on the grammar... Mathematical equations is hardly a welldefined notion
@sehe That doesn't sound so bad.
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02:46
As long as it's recursive descent and decent.
damn. I'm off
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Goodbye.
Goodnight.
@sehe I wanna start with the simple (a + b)/c^d * e
Dec 30 '12 at 23:58, by sehe
Somniac hobbies and sack hitting: coming up
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02:47
Also, in C++++, unrestricted switches. :P
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Anything with operator== will do.
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Wait. Is there a proposal for unrestricted switches already?
@Zoidberg They already did that with C#.
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Yeah, but C# is not C++.
@Zoidberg The # sign is
++
++
So C# == C++++.
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02:59
I know. Reddit.

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