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4:02 PM
lol
 
once you have a certain number of atomic operations, you're not really gaining much over just sticking a critical section over the damn thing
 
I think it was @CatPlusPlus that set the room title
 
@Eloff Has nothing to do with mythbusters. It's Futurama.
 
I just watched a Channel 9 video on the Actor Model
quite interesting
seems to be what Erlang follow
 
it's not really my style, but I can see how it would work for some kinds of computation
 
4:09 PM
@DeadMG yeah, although you do see a difference in scalability the more cores you have, that threshold where it makes sense increases with every additional core. And of course if you have no atomic ops (say on the read path) then it's always a win.
 
Xeo
Hm
I'm pleasently surprised to find documentation on my game logic in the code I wrote some months ago
 
What? It required documentation?
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked It's literally under 30 lines
But I remembered stuff I forgot
 
Btw, dammit Saya no Uta is fucking scary story. I took a break right now because I can't handle the tension :D
 
Xeo
4:13 PM
heh
 
It has very well orchestrated horror/thriller moments.
Makin me scared to click for the next screen.
 
Xeo
Oh, I know that feeling. I know it sooo well from playing Muv-Luv Alternative
 
Sleep deprivation making me jumpier than usual.
 
Xeo
hehe
 
Hey @Stac
I have been lurking this channel for way too long :P
 
4:19 PM
@Nican Ah you replied!
 
I am not actually a bot!
 
Your avatar makes you noticable.
 
Oh?
 
There might be other lurkers that nobody notices because they have a default avatar.
 
OMG finally this guy posted something!!
 
4:20 PM
I see.
Also, as you asked, I have been working on a project using Mono and the Source Engine.
 
Source Engine?
 
I like reading the starred comments on this chat.
 
Ah, Valve.
 
@DeadMG Exactly. All I usually need to do is push/pop some object pointer in/out of a queue. The CS will hardly ever get past its initial user-space spinlock. On Windows anyway, the CS is an OS lock so I can be pretty sure it works correctly on my test systems and will also work correctly on different OS versions, different CPUs and different Windows boxes.
 
So a Linux game I presume?
 
4:21 PM
I hope when Valve ports the Source engine to Linux, I will be easily able to port it.
 
If it's OpenGL then it would expect it to be relatively easy.
 
But this project was born more in the anger of how little Garry's Mod provides from the Source Engine.
 
Perhaps most work will not be fixing code but adapting the build system.
 
I am tempted to ping all the lurkers.
 
Well, Valve already provides build files for building the server binaries on linux, although I never looked at them.
 
4:24 PM
I'll try to stay awake with another cup of green tea.
18:24 is not an hour to go to sleep.
 
@MartinJames For that, you can use the PPL's concurrent_queue.
 
Oh, @StackedCrooked, I am not sure if you read, but Valve already ported the Source engine to Linux, and during their first runs, it was already running faster than Windows.
 
Lol .
 
meh
 
How did that happen. I would assume that the code was tuned for Wiindows.
 
4:27 PM
they probably just used the newest GCC compared to VC6 or something
 
That was exactly their first comment. Made they a bit mad, spending so much optimizing for Windows only to have it run faster on Linux.
 
Or maybe they just removed some effects...
 
Ell
@Nican I was aware that they ported L4D2 to linux, but I read it ran slowly - as expected for the first test run of the port
 
Ell
but I didn't know they got it faster than windows. I wouldn't see why it would be faster
 
4:28 PM
"After this work, Left 4 Dead 2 is running at 315 FPS on Linux. That the Linux version runs faster than the Windows version (270.6) seems a little counter-intuitive, given the greater amount of time we have spent on the Windows version.
 
A good benchmark on a component can lead to false confidence because in the end it's the performance of the end product as a whole that matters.
I read that yesterday in my new book.
 
Ell
Well I'll be.
Is opengl still an open standard? or did khronos buying it make it not?
 
I hope it's still an open standard, how dumb is it to have a standard be called OpenGraphicsLibrary and not be open xD
 
@StackedCrooked what book is that?
 
4:32 PM
@TonyTheLion Most recent edition of "Computer Architecture, a quantitative approach". I bought the kindle version.
I had received a 2nd hand copy of the 4th edition a few weeks ago because Jalf had recommended it.
But I wanted a Kindle version as well because it's so convenient.
I don't even have a kindle.
 
how do you read it without a kindle?
is it good?
 
But I can sync the book to my computer at home, at work and to my phone. I can search etc..
 
You can read the book via a webinterface or via a desktop client. Or using the iPhone kindle app.
 
4:35 PM
even I have some Kindle books
 
@Nican and the optimizations they did also sped up the Windows version to 303 fps. Don't forget that part.
which means that in the end, each frame on the Linux build was 125 microseconds faster than a frame on the Windows build. Clearly a highly significant and utterly ground-shattering difference ;)
 
@jalf but now they are using OpenGL on Windows instead of DirectX.
 
@Nican did you read the article you linked to? During their first runs, it ran at 6FPS
 
That is correct.
 
4:38 PM
@Borgleader It's as open as it always was, which, to be honest, is not very.
It's open'ish :)
 
hmmm
I had a question on concurrency
 
@Nican I once read that the Windows OpenGL drivers shipped with consumer graphics cards aren't as optimized as the DirectX ones...
 
@Borgleader "Open" is sometimes used in the product name of closed commercial applications simply because it's a buzzword. It doesn't have any legal implications.
 
@TonyTheLion you should try asking it. ;)
 
what's the difference between a condition variable and a manual/ auto reset event?
@jalf I just was typing it. :)
 
4:40 PM
@StephanTolksdorf Microsoft's OpenGL driver stinks. It's pretty horrific. The drivers shipped by GPU vendors are fine
 
ugh buzzwords
 
The "manual/ auto reset event" needs some fleshing out I think :)
 
@StackedCrooked the ones from the Win32 API, I suspect :)
 
Ah, I don't know about those.
 
@StephanTolksdorf did it give any explanation of why the OpenGL ones were better optimized?
 
4:41 PM
@jalf I read that GPU vendors wanted to make an additional buck by only selling good Windows OpenGL drivers with their graphics cards for professional use. Has this changed?
 
@StephanTolksdorf It was never true in the first place. It makes no sense.
 
@jalf yes, CreateEvent is what I'm referring to
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@StephanTolksdorf Do you need to pay for the drivers in addition to the hardware?
 
not sure if something similar exists on other platforms
 
Look at the competition between ATI and NVidia, and tell me that any of them have ever been in a situation where they could afford to hold back on something that could improve performance of their hardware
What I think you've been told, and which is absolutely true, is that they ship different drivers for their professional/workstation cards
 
4:43 PM
Hahaha, who'd buy OpenGL drivers of all the things.
 
drivers which focus on correctness, accuracy and robustness, even at the cost of performance
because they're targeted at different users with different needs
 
http://stackoverflow.com/a/12545734/583833
Not 100% sure about my answer. Been a while since I studied vtables.
 
@jalf But since most games use DirectX, doesn't it make sense for the vendors to focus on the DirectX drivers, even if they don't want to cripple the OpenGL drivers to sell more workstation GPUs...
 
@Borgleader So you just made something up and crossed your fingers? :p
 
4:45 PM
Basically, ATI can live with their drivers causing the occasional crash, if it helps them beat NVidia's framerate in Crysis. They can also live with the odd bug that causes this game or that to render incorrectly. All that matters, basically, is performance. But on workstation cards, different rules apply, because your CAD users are going to be pissed if their computer crashes, or it renders incorrectly
 
@StackedCrooked: lol no I went with what I remembered.
 
@StephanTolksdorf sure, it makes sense for them to focus on whatever is popular, whatever gives them the greatest bang for the buck. But that doesn't mean that OpenGL drivers get left behind completely, necessarily
 
@jalf am i missing anywhere there if yes than please let me know so i can delete my answer
 
@jalf Is Crysis actually using OpenGL on Windows?
 
ATI have had pretty awful OpenGL drivers historically, probably for that reason. They've improved, perhaps because they see OpenGL as being more relevant today than it used to be. Or perhaps just because they're focusing more on their drivers in general
@StephanTolksdorf No clue. It was just an example :)
@RegisteredUser me? What have I got to do with that answer? Am I missing something?
 
4:48 PM
@jalf i just want to know is it correct ?
 
Anyway, with Valve pushing Linux gaming one can hope for the quality of OpenGL drivers to improve on all platforms.
 
What's an undownvote? Is that when someone downvotes then changes their mind and reverses the downvote?
 
Valve, Humble Indie Bundles, Graphics on Android devices, are all a good push for OpenGL
 
@RegisteredUser your answer is correct
 
Xeo
@Chimera removed downvote
 
5:04 PM
There seem to be many somewhat complicated or inefficient scope guard implementations floating around. Anyone got an opinion on this one for C++11: stackoverflow.com/a/12545195/558823
 
macros? burn it
 
/agreed
 
Xeo
There's no reason for using macros in his implementation
 
Don't know. The macros do save you some typing and make the code more readable.
 
Xeo
I see no reason why he uses the extra name##_handler variable
or even specific template arguments
 
5:10 PM
Oh, you are going to love Valve's SourceSDK. There are macros all over it.
Specially "#define CBaseClass C_BaseClass" to change the class name from CBaseClass, The server definition, to C_BaseClass, the client definition in the shared methods.
 
Xeo
auto&& guard_1 = make_guard([]{ ... });
 
@Nican Vot ze fook?
this just reassures me that no game developers, anywhere, ever, can code for crap
 
Xeo
:(
 
Xeo, are you sure that your snippet doesn't produce a dangling pointer?
 
Xeo
wut?
 
5:12 PM
make_guard produces a temporary, right?
 
Xeo
yes
auto&& will be an rvalue ref for an rvalue initializer
and that will extend the lifetime of the temporary
basically the same as auto const&
except that you don't need mutable members if you want to .dismiss() your guard action
 
Are you sure the lifetime is extended, there seem to be doubts: stackoverflow.com/a/10270797/558823
 
Xeo
@StephanTolksdorf The problem lies with OP's original implementation that returns a reference to a local object.
 
@StephanTolksdorf That's completely different.
threw up a new version of my cpp tutorials, btw
 
The Dead Simple Tutorials :D
 
5:21 PM
Ok, now I understand. Thanks for the hint.
 
5:35 PM
@DeadMG link?
 
@DeadMG i skimmed look good so far. if there are no big problems maybe i can convince marshall to reference that in the faq. instead of my tutorial, which has been offline for how many hundred years?
would you be interested in that?
 
Are you guys receptive to answering questions today?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Sure.
 
I'm making a library in C++ (it's been a while since I've used it) with MS Visual Studio 2012 Express, and I'm not sure what calling convention I should use for my API.
 
5:40 PM
std::cout << "I r the bestest programmer ever";
he he
 
The default is cdecl, but the I'm using it from C#, which uses stdcall as the default.
Is there a reason to use one calling convention over another?
 
@deadmg: "To make an integral type unsigned, just add "unsigned" in front- e.g., unsigned int." <-- needs some mod (e.g. consider wchar_t)
 
@KendallFrey Not particularly.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Pretty sure there's nothing illegal about unsigned wchar_t, although very strange. Besides, I haven't covered wchar_t.
 
@DeadMG it's invalid, yes
 
I'm leaning toward cdecl, since I'm guessing the reason C# uses stdcall as default is because most times pinvoke in C# is used for winapi.
 
5:47 PM
@KendallFrey If you don't have a specific reason for preferring one or the other, then it really doesn't matter.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Anyways, I haven't covered wchar_t yet, so invalid or not is irrelevant.
 
i was thinking in direction of wooly or weasel, like "basic integral types", "for most integral types", "except for some types i'll cover later", blah blah
 
@DeadMG Thanks.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf It's not important enough to warrant a mention so early, if I ever do cover whether or not you can make an unsigned wchar_t.
 
wchar_ t is an integral type
 
... and?
 
5:51 PM
that makes the statement incorrect
 
nobody sane would ever want an unsigned wchar_t, and the whole char, wchar_t, and encodings mess can certainly wait until later
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The importance of unsigned wchar_t is zero.
 
@DeadMG as it happened, microsoft did at one time define unsigned wchar_t. it took some time before msvc supported wchar_t as a built-in-type.
maybe you could define a magical symbol that means, "here i'm glossing over some details, so don't take this as the absolute and complete truth"
?
 
I save that for when the difference between "the complete truth" and "what I said" is important
 
Hm, you lack some understanding here. The point about "not important so early" would apply to your statement "It is UB to attempt to de-reference a NULL pointer.", which also is false as an absolute, but where the full truth does not matter because few if any uses the ability to safely dereference NULL pointers.
there is a difference in kind
in one case the too generalized statement gives misleading info, so that others might reference it and say "but deadmg said so!", while in the other case, it's how it ideally should be and who cares
...
just to ensure you know what i'm talking about re the second statement, i think it doesn't matter for the learner or even professional that you can portably dereference a NULL pointer in a typeid expression, nor that you can dereference null pointers in compile time expressions
 
6:06 PM
@Xeo @DeadMG Does your preferred make_guard depend on copy constructor elimination?
 
@StephanTolksdorf No.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Oh yeah. Let me fix that.
 
@DeadMG Does your make_guard return a ScopeGuard value?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The whole of wchar_t falls under "not important so early".
@StephanTolksdorf Probably. I never found a need for such a thing.
 
@DeadMG well, how can a reader determine when he's got as far that a statement is no longer probably just a convenient but inaccurate generalization, but technically true?
 
6:17 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Doesn't matter.
what matters is, if you accept it as The Gospel Truth, how inconvenient will your life be if you encounter a place where it's not true?
case in point: unsigned wchar_t. How inconvenient will it be? Well, probably not at all.
 
@DeadMG So, your ScopeGuard defines a move constructor then and sets an appropriate flag, or how do you prevent the lambda from being called twice if the copy is not eliminated?
 
Hi, whats the difference between a declaration like: Group::get_id() const {} and Group::get_id() {}
 
@WeaklyTyped do you have a textbook
 
Xeo
@WeaklyTyped Hi, read a good book. And our newbie hints while you're at it.
 
@Xeo @Cheersandhth.-Alf Thanks
 
6:24 PM
@StephanTolksdorf #1 seems fine to me.
 
@DeadMG #1?
 
Xeo
@StephanTolksdorf You already have a flag anyways if you want to be able to .dismiss() the guard
So just set _dismissed to true after moving.
 
You mean answer 1, so move constructor + flag.
 
yep
why do anything except the simplest possible solution?
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@Cheersandhth.-Alf The link was bad, but I fixed it. If you refresh the index page you should get a good link,.
 
sbi
6:30 PM
Uh, the robot isn't here?
 
@DeadMG Simplest is probably in the eye of the beholder. The other solution had the advantage that you didn't have to think about copy constructor elimination or the extension of the lifetime of temporaries and you didn't need a flag. It used macros though, which you obviously don't like.
 
@StephanTolksdorf Macros should never, ever, be used unless there is absolutely no other solution to the problem.
 
@DeadMG I don't agree. It's a trade-off. At least if you give your macros proper names and know what you're doing. Sometimes macros can save you from a lot of typing or code replication. It really depends on the circumstances.
 
well, if the other solutions involve massive code duplication, then they basically don't count :P
but the basic principle is good, which is that the other solutions, if they exist, must be pretty damn bad to warrant using a macro instead
and "A boolean flag" really isn't
 
boolean flag plus possibly worse performance if the optimizer doesn't have its best day... but in this case you're probably right... except for the downvote ;-)
 
6:38 PM
yeah, cause one boolean flag, man, my CPU just can't cope with that
it can only do about 12 billion operations per second per core
setting one boolean flag, and testing it once? performance murder
 
how is one boolean flag going to kill performance?
 
with a gun, usually, but it's also been known to employ axes and poison
 
If you're developing a library primitive there is some value in picking the most performant one...
 
if the optimizer sucks, you have way bigger problems than the extra boolean flag
like the non-inlined call to the lambda.. the non-inlined indirection that you used to access the lambda object... the extra non-zero stack space or register it used
 
@StephanTolksdorf Not everyone here writes high performance libraries so they won't understand your priorities.
Whether or not a single boolean will affect performance will depend heavily on the context. I can probably construct a situation where adding a boolean will increase the size of a struct and misalign a bunch of memory access causing a performance hit. But that's contrived.
 
6:44 PM
@Mysticial Automatic variable use only- no members.
 
@DeadMG True, but in my experience there's some stuff that some compiler have problems with. For example, MSVC won't optimize away some superfluous null checks for unique_ptr, and in general might generate suboptimal code for functions accepting or returning class values with destructors.
 
There's a difference between "fast enough" and "as fast as possible". When you're writing end-user code, "fast enough" usually applies. When you're writing (high performance) libraries, "as fast as possible" is usually the case.
 
"might"
the sane approach here is, 1. Write the simplest thing that could possibly work. 2. Go back and optimize it when it's not fast enough for some end-user.
else, you're just wasting your life desperately trying to extract cycles which won't matter based on some theoretical deficiency of the optimizer that didn't occur
you need to prove that you have a problem before attempting to solve it
 
@DeadMG Same thing. You can have an array on the stack. If it's aligned to 16 bytes, then it's more easily vectorized than if it were less aligned. Adding a variable can easily shift the array over to a different alignment. Yes, it's far-fetched, but it's possible.
 
possibly, but certainly not worth the time to implement a macro hack fix if you don't know that the optimizer will give up and die.
 
6:52 PM
@DeadMG DeadMG, I don't think coding the simplest solution and then only optimizing when somebody complains is the right approach for library development. But anyway, this discussion was more about the pros and cons of the scope guard implementation, even if mostly academical.
 
@StephanTolksdorf There's a very, very big difference between "Use the fastest algorithm I could reasonably implement" and "Micro-optimize a boolean flag away which will virtually guaranteed be eliminated anyway by using a disgusting macro hack".
you're gaining nothing for the worst possible solution imaginable
not like "My public API remains the same and I can fairly implement two algorithms which will, realistically, be equally as readable and maintainable", in which case, picking the fastest is perfectly reasonable, where you're gaining some real algorithmic complexity.
 
Okay, there's basically two approaches to performance-oriented software development.
1. Top-down
2. Bottom-up

Most of us only know of the first approach. It is the "standard" approach for writing "fast enough" software. This is what we are taught to do and only do.

The second approach is where you build the application bottom up starting with high-optimized routines and let those dictate how the high-level design of the program will be built. This approach is more commonly known as "pre-mature optimization" and is heavily frowned upon. However, it is the preferred method for writing "as f
 
man
I want to live in England.
 
@daknøk because of deadmg living there?
 
@Mysticial I would say, mainly, that the first approach is the one called for in the vast, vast majority of situations, and you'd want a serious justification for #2.
 
6:58 PM
And if anyone is wondering, my pi program is written using somewhat of a hybrid approach. (90% bottom-up, 10% top-down)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf among others.
 
@DeadMG bull. most software development is bottom up.
 
DeadMG, I did read your statements regarding optimizations as more general. If you meant them just in this specific example, it's obviously something different. Also, whether a few simple macros constitute a "disgusting macro hack" while a solution that depends the extension of the life time for temporaries, a move constructor and a flag is simple, is at least debatable...
 
waterfall was discredited very long ago
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Uh, Agile still counts as "top-down", by Mysticial's description.
 
6:59 PM
Top down > bottom up.
Which is easy with functional programming.
 
@StephanTolksdorf Did you use a macro? Was it unnecessary? It's a disgusting macro hack.
 
I think this discussion goes in circles ;-)
 
indeed
but I also meant my statements more generally
 
sbi
> the survey was unable to find a single person under the age of 28 in eastern Germany who believed in God. — Eastern Germany: the most godless place on Earth
 
@StephanTolksdorf You should probably know that this entire room goes in circles.
 
7:00 PM
as in, there's a big difference between "Libraries should trade off for performance", which I'm inclined to agree with, and what you suggested
 
@sbi oh, they didn't check out muslims then.
i think, on the one hand, atheism correlates strongly with peace and prosperity
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf They did. They are among the 4% that aren't either atheist or protestant (21%).
 
but on the other hand, germany correlates strongly with world wars...
hm
maybe it has something to do with language, how formal the grammar is?
we think of german engineers as outstanding
and german food as crap (except beer)
it is like paradox
 
Hi all.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The Second World War was the Allies' fault, and the First was pretty much everybody's fault.
 
7:05 PM
@DeadMG i'm not sure. the conventional explanation is "the germans did it". but re WWII, i think a case can be made that it had already been going on for ten or twenty years in Asia, with Japan invading China and other countries in that region.
we don't learn much about that in school
if at all!
 
@DeadMG What?! How was it the Allie's fault?
Allies'
 
@Bane Because they demanded ridiculously unreasonable economic reparations from the Germans and basically annihilated their entire economy.
 
@DeadMG Which is not true.
 
what were they expecting the Germans to do if not start raising trouble
 
@DeadMG Well, that's certainly why the Nazis got to power, but it is not the whole reason.
 
7:07 PM
But the Nazis did utilize that argument ;)
 
@Bane Yeah. Other parts were things like how the Allies made Germany accept responsibility for WWI, even though it was basically everybody's fault.
how the Allies stripped away some German territory that was theirs since before the war, and there's a whole bunch more
 
This article is concerned with the events that preceded World War II in Asia. Kuomintang and Communism in China The revolution led by the Kuomintang (KMT, or Chinese Nationalist Party) and others ended the last Chinese dynasty, the Qing Dynasty, which was replaced by a republic, the Republic of China, in 1912. Prior to World War I, however, the ROC central government failed to effectively rule its territory. China fell into a fragmented region of local warlords. Other than the warlord-controlled central government, two primary forces aimed to unite China under their ideology. The KM...
 
@DeadMG Again, that's the same argument. It got Nazis to power, in situations like these the extremists usually prevail. But that doesn't mean it's the Allies' fault entirely.
 
@Bane Well, it pretty much does.
I mean, if you put a Petri dish on a desk, fill it with that gel stuff, find some rotting food, and rub it all over the Petri dish, then it's kinda your fault when it gets infected with stuff
 
sbi
As a German born by parents which were born at the end of WWII, I am somewhat reluctant to join this discussion, but I can't stop myself from throwing this one in: There were a lot more factors playing into the hands of the Nazis than what you guys are debating here. (For starters, nobody has said anything about the whole Weimarer Republic debacle, the incredibly insane inflation after WWI, or about the "Golden Twenties" not being golden at all for 90% of the population.)
 
7:11 PM
@DeadMG I disagree. There were many factors, especially the people that actually got in power.
 
@sbi The hyperinflation was caused by Germany printing money to pay off their bills from the Versailles Treaty which were inflicted on them by the Allies.
in fact, I just watched a documentary on Keynes economics last night, detailing how he fought against the inflicting of economic sanctions, and predicted that Germany would rise and fight again because of the Allied crippling of their economy
 
sbi
@DeadMG You'd probably never guess, but that was part of my history lessons, so I was aware of the fact. There are, however, other ways to pay debts.
 
@sbi Depends on the scale of the debts involved, no?
 
Let me just note that today norwegian state television (NRK) published Yet Another Propaganda Article demonizing Iran on their web pages, distribution chain AFP (french) -> NTB (norwegian) -> NRK (norwegian). Most of these articles get into norwegian media via AFP -> NTB. I feel unwell reading them, like watching Hitler orating.
I think it's not long until something happens.
Israel promised an attack before the US election.
 
I hope nothing happens, I have friends in Israel...
 
7:20 PM
Agence France-Presse (AFP) is a French news agency, the oldest one in the world, and one of the three largest with Associated Press and Reuters. It is also the largest French news agency. Currently, its CEO is Emmanuel Hoog and its news director Philippe Massonnet. AFP is headquartered in Paris, with regional offices in Nicosia, Montevideo, Hong Kong, and Washington, D.C., and bureaus in 150 countries. It transmits news in French, English, Arabic, Spanish, German, and Portuguese. History The agency was founded in 1835 by a Parisian translator and advertising agent, Charles-Louis Havas a...
 
7:38 PM
const int *array = (int[]){1,2,3,4,5};
Why does that not compile in VS 2012?
 
Stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
Everything is wrong with this line and just stop.
 
It wasn't me.
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Q: Initializing string and array in C - The difference

MaputoI was experimenting with initialization of arrays and strings in C, and I found that: char *str = "ABCDE"; perfectly initializes the string with no errors or warnings, but: int *array = {1,2,3,4,5}; gives me warnings and eventually dumps core. It really bugs me now and I would like to know...

 
@LewsTherin Rough guess: because it shouldn't.
 
@LewsTherin does it compile with any other compiler
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh dear, look at the accepted answer on the question @LewsTherin just linked!
 
7:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus i've tried saying that to my mother. never works
 
I don't have other compilers with me.. but if he accepted it I guess it does.
 
@LewsTherin That's brutally wrong.
 
BURN THAT SNIPPET
 
I want to try something.. I doubt it would work
Nah it doesn't. Is there a way to do it one liner?
 
jesus. "New Updates Alarm! Run Samsung Update and install the new updates"
the proportion of idiots involved in software and hardware manufacture, has passed the line of no return i think
we're doomed
 
7:47 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf About 30 years ago.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf So the number of idiots will now increment exponentially until they all die due to overpopulation?
 
yah. or...
 
The problem does fix itself at the end :D
 
That's inefficient. Where's that robot uprising.
 
Anyone see the movie Idiocracy?
 
sbi
7:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus How would you know about that? You're not even halfway into your first life, after all.
 
@sbi I'm very smart.
 
@StackedCrooked Why is it wrong?
 
for a cat ;)
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus You feel very smart. That's a difference, you know.
Also, you're very young. Quite likely, thirty years ago your parents hadn't even started to date.
 
How can you look at that line and think "oh yeah, that looks good".
HOW
 
7:54 PM
@sbi You think he feels very smart.
 
:)
he said so
^ Example of statement with several possible interpretations.
 
I don't see so many.
 
I need to get out to get food, but it's raining.
 

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