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11:00 PM
Oh God not that again… T_T
It is a dupe of a dupe of a dupe, and the dupe graph has cycles.
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@RadekSlupik It doesn't have to be ASAP. But it would've been closed earlier had someone who was aware of the dupe had seen it.
 
@Mysticial You're amazed that Java users aren't very observant? That's what's...well, not amazing, but definitely amusing.
 
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Some people consider it to reveal the true worth of a PL whether such a statement has a well-defined behaviour
 
> I suppose the down-vote is because someone didn't believe C++ could make you pregnant? :) – sbi Oct 14 '09 at 8:02
> It gave me an abortion. – Skurmedel Apr 15 '11 at 15:36
 
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I don't remember whether the sequencing order update changed anything (with C++11) but I don't really understand why anyone should really care
 
11:05 PM
Use pure functions in non-assignment expressions. The code may become a line or two longer, but people would actually understand how it works.
 
@eq- Or, to put it more simply, some people are idiots.
 
@eq- they changed sequence points for C++11 to clarify multithreading stuff
 
@MooingDuck ...but in the process, some things that previously led to UB became defined.
 
anyone here is a computer science graduate?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil I am!
(I think many of us are)
 
11:14 PM
What do you learn in computer sciene
Like all the languages or just concentrate on one certain
or no languages at all an just machine code
What the hell do you do there :D
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil computer science is about theory, not programming
 
@MooingDuck you dont learn programming languageS?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil generally you learn a language for a year to learn to program, and then the rest you learn several new languages, various programming concepts and stuff
@MohamedAhmedNabil I learned* eight languages (*to varying degrees)
 
@MooingDuck So at college you dont concentrate on just one language and get a degree in each one
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil no, you get a degree in programming. Algorithms, language design, interpreters, compilers, networking, data structures, interop, multitasking, etc
 
11:17 PM
@MooingDuck And after college you decide what language you wanna go deep in ?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil usually you go deep in one language in classes, some will go deep in another in your free time. Then you go into the real world and give you a new language every five years to learn
@MohamedAhmedNabil example: the Java programming language did not exist eight years ago.
 
@MooingDuck What college did you do to?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil hmm, I've been avoiding personal information at a scope narrower than my State. Why do you ask?
 
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@MooingDuck, what is it I'm not getting about your Java reference?
 
@eq- that you have to learn new languages because there's new ones all the time. Java is now one of the biggest languages, and it's only existed eight years. That means everyone who's been programming for longer than that has had to learn a new language.
 
11:20 PM
@MooingDuck i was wondering if you got a scholarship or not and how do you get one.
 
My point is don't "specialize" in a language. Learn lots.
 
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@MooingDuck, I'm trying to grasp your eight years.
 
@eq- not a long time
@MohamedAhmedNabil you find them and apply for them. Some the schools will randomly give you some if you're good.
 
@MooingDuck Say what? I have Java books that are over 10 years old. I believe Java was publicly released around 1995 or so.
 
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I mean, Java certainly has been around (and verbose!) for almost 2 decades
 
11:21 PM
whoa, I can't math
2012-1995 = 8 right?
answer: no
 
@MooingDuck I really wanna get one because the oppertunity is amazing, I live in egypt and i can see the huge difference between here and there. CS here is epic but it will be alot better outside
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil they're all over the internet. Also, most colleges (here at least) have people to help you find scholarships.
 
@MooingDuck im 15 right now and still want it soo bad
 
@MooingDuck Hmmm...what base is each number in? If you wanted to badly enough, I'm pretty sure you could find a combination of bases where that was a correct answer...
 
@JerryCoffin probably a fractional base?
 
11:23 PM
@MooingDuck Do i need to win awards or competitions to get scholarships
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil usually
 
@MooingDuck What type of competitions and how do i participate
 
challenge: find a base where "2012-1995 = 8" is true
 
@MooingDuck I'm pretty sure it can't be true if they're all in the same base. I'm pretty sure you need 2012 in one base, and 1995 in another (since 8 is only one digit, you can't do much with it).
 
@MooingDuck how do i get a college to notice me?
 
11:26 PM
@MohamedAhmedNabil Scoring insanely high on college entrance exams is one possibility.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil You have to apply first. then see if you can get a scholarship
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil have good grades, do extracirricular activities, win awards
 
how hard are thoose exams? I will prepare from now
@MooingDuck no extracirricular activities here XD
 
@Chimera you can get scholarships before you apply, my church gave me one
 
@MooingDuck Excellent!
 
11:27 PM
how hard are the college entrance exams??
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil there's activities everywhere. There's no clubs? No churches? No library?
@MohamedAhmedNabil it's not a hard or not hard. The more you study the better your score.
There's no top or bottom
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Without knowing the country you're in, that's impossible to answer.
 
@MooingDuck There are but as you might have heard the previous regime screwed up everthyinh
 
well, I guess there is a bottom and top, but I doubt they get hit
@MohamedAhmedNabil I live in America, I don't know anything about other countries.
 
@MooingDuck The destroyed anything about scientific research and shit
@MooingDuck Thats a big part of why we did the revolotion
@JerryCoffin Egypt
 
11:28 PM
@MohamedAhmedNabil because America?
@MohamedAhmedNabil volunteering at a local library is surprisingly helpful.
 
@MooingDuck At least in the US, there are usually a handful of people who get perfect SAT scores most years.
 
@MooingDuck no beacause the previous regime destroyed scientific research, no public libraries
 
@JerryCoffin but only a handful. It's not realistic to think that once you reach a certain point, the test is "easy"
 
In thoose College entrance test, what is included
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil volunteer anywhere, it doesn't really matter
 
11:30 PM
online works?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil everything taught between 5th grade and a masters.
@MohamedAhmedNabil I haven't tested it, but its probably better than nothing
 
@MooingDuck fuck it XD I was so bad at school
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil The country that once hosted the greatest library on earth (at Alexandria) now has none? Assuming you're right, that's a truly sad state of affairs.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil can't do multiplication?
 
@MooingDuck True -- especially since nearly ever year there are also a few questions that are open to at least some dispute.
 
11:31 PM
@JerryCoffin Do you know that all the money from the Alexandria Library was stolen by the previous presidents wife?
@MooingDuck Fuck no XD
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil wait what?
 
@MooingDuck i can but i forgot the times table
most of it XD
you know calculaters and stuff
Ruining heads man
 
CS has a lot of math. Programming not as much, but a CS degree has plenty.
 
Is there programming scholarships :D
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil sure. I linked you a bunch of them
 
11:33 PM
@MooingDuck Not computer science but programming by itself
 
@MooingDuck I wouldn't really describe it as mathematics. More like databases. As in, "Did you insert this image of what I wrote on the blackboard into your brain? Yes -> you pass."
 
So learning C++ wont help me on my college entry test
 
@DeadMG my algorithms class required a bit of math. Mostly it was the math classes that required math
@MohamedAhmedNabil it probably would actaully
 
good :D
thank you all
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Probably not directly, no. Logical thinking (for example) should be tested though (but I can't say much more than that -- it's been well over 30 years since I took a college entrance exam).
 
11:36 PM
@MooingDuck escpecially you :)
Is 15 a good age to start preparation
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil any age after about 10 is fine
 
@MooingDuck Im not too late?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Yes -- assuming you stick to it.
 
but im not too late right?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil no, not at all. Several of the guys in my CS classes had never programmed before they came to college.
 
11:37 PM
@MohamedAhmedNabil No -- at 15 most people aren't thinking much about college yet at all (nor anything else much further away than their current school year).
 
Its my dream you know :)
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil if you learn a programming language, that's huge. But don't slack on math. They generally require a lot of math classes.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Are you in high school? If so it's a good time to join academic clubs and study hard.
 
Getting my CS degree and becoming a GUI or games developer
@MooingDuck Im awesome in algebra and geometry
@MooingDuck but need a calculater
@Chimera Im still gonna start first year of high school
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil meh, close enough. Algebra is the important thing
 
11:39 PM
man
the clang source code is full of SourceManagers
really, clang?
u so disappoint
 
@DeadMG SourceManagerManagerFactoryManager?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil The earlier the better.
 
Thanks all, Hopefully i will get there :)
Gtg all :D thanks again
 
and a FileManager
 
@DeadMG globals make some things easy, and they have deadlines and managers to please.
 
11:43 PM
actually, they don't appear to be global.
one thing I will credit clang with, there don't appear to be globals/singletons
 
Excellent, so what's the problem
 
the problem is that it seems like an extremely roundabout way of going sema(parse(lex("<iostream>")))
oh, great.
name of CPU, name of ABI as strings.
 

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