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6:05 PM
I can Hasfuck?
 
I can haz fuck?
 
Haskell + Python = Skellthon.
 
SKELETOR
 
lol my thoughts exactly
 
Dat skeleton.
 
user1174868
6:14 PM
I think I am no longer responsible enough to not use an alarm clock
 
What do you call a fat programmer who writes Wide?
 
user1174868
So is HTML a good first language to learn? I think PHP might be too complex
 
HTML is a markup language, a form of structuring data.
 
user1174868
I was just joking :(
 
user1174868
But I actually had no idea what a markup language was
 
6:18 PM
Oh, wait, right. It's way too damn hot here, my brain is boiling.
 
user1174868
I was too tired to keep doing homework so I had some coffee now I am too alter to do homework
 
user1174868
I bought some jeans for $80, last time I did that I made $30 by selling them
 
@Jordan HTML isn't turing complete. It just describes stuff.
 
It can't express them algorithms. Sad HTML is sad.
 
one of the mods made a nasty comment on my harsh answer
 
6:34 PM
@FredOverflow New avatar?
 
@ManofOneWay For a ong time, actually.
 
@DeadMG No, Fred asked me about mine I believe
 
oh ok
 
What are you up to ?
No partying tonight?
 
partying is nothing but a waste of money
 
6:38 PM
You seem to be alergic to fun.
 
@DeadMG What about girls?
 
So, indeed, spending money on something you dislike is probably a waste.
 
I'm allergic to expending money and receiving nothing but loud-noise-induced headache and being surrounded by strangers in return
@ManofOneWay What about them?
 
@DeadMG It's a good way to meet girls
 
Better to spend a night writing a language spec than to party with friends.
 
6:39 PM
I could also meet girls by finding prostitutes
 
@DeadMG "party" does not necessarily means going in a club.
 
but oddly enough, they wouldn't be the kind of girl I'd actually want to know
 
Prostitutes != Girls
 
Actually, clubs are bullshit. You pay too much to drink crap beer and dance with uninteresting women.
 
@DeadMG This is the correct response when someone says you could meet girls doing X when you don't like doing X.
 
6:40 PM
I'm curious, do you guys like the STL?
 
@LeviMorrison That old 1994 library?
 
Some people like old stuff. Maturity, they say.
 
@LeviMorrison It's a great concept with a pretty good implementation (as of 1995) but could be much easier to use in a better language and with a couple changes.
 
STL? Sexually transmitted lesion ?
 
user1174868
Am I turing complete?
 
6:41 PM
@LeviMorrison The STL is old stuff. We like the standard library.
 
@EtiennedeMartel My bad. I've only used C++. I'm not very skilled in it.
Not up-to-date on terminology at all.
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's not really an awful lot of difference (as long as you only refer to that part of the standard lib which came from the STL).
 
@DeadMG Well, it's like saying C is the same as C++.
 
well, not really
 
Because some parts of it became part of C++.
 
6:46 PM
the proportion of C which is idiomatic C++ is miniscule.
 
And shrinking by the minute.
 
the proportion of the Standard lib which was the STL (more so in C++03) was actually rather large.
 
Yeah, but even the "STL" part of the SL has changed a bit, no?
 
the people across the hall from me are explaining the internet to eachother, and not doing a very good job
 
I mean, the STL vector is not identical to its C++11 counterpart, for instance.
 
6:47 PM
Just seen in the PHP room: "C++ is just a pretty syntax for C."
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not really.
 
some of it did change, but not much.
 
How do you have party without..?
 
@JimNorton Oh shit. These guys are gonna get it.
 
6:47 PM
and the C++11 vector is the same deal as the C++03 vector, it's just move semantics in addition and cleaned up in some other C++11y ways.
 
Just seen in the PHP room: idiots, everywhere.
 
@DeadMG well I agree most parties are a waste of time
 
@EtiennedeMartel They actually have a rather comical conversation going on about C++ and C right now.
 
Oh god don't do it @DeadMG.. it's not worth it
 
@DeadMG So, a subset is its superset now (or the opposite, eh).
 
6:49 PM
I tried to explain why their language suffers from a great deal of design problems (among other problems such as security issues since the interpreter is written poorly), at first they said "fuck you homie", then I said that I've actually worked quite a lot with PHP.. and they ran out of arguments..
speaking of php
this was earlier today btw
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, they didn't really change anything, just updated it. C++11's std::vector is the STL's 1994 stl::vector in a prettier dress.
 
@JimNorton This is my comment actually. You took it out of context. I was trying to convey that languages are just pretty syntax for assembler.
 
@DeadMG It still can do more stuff.
 
@LeviMorrison Oh ok...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well... not really.
 
6:50 PM
@JimNorton Someone had asked why on earth we would like a PHP internal rewrite in C++ when we have one in C.
 
the only new tricks vector has is taking advantage of new language features. Nothing more.
and they don't change it's fundamental operations
just some cleaner syntax
 
And shrink_to_fit.
 
@LeviMorrison Ok. On it's own the comment reads funny.
 
what would make a significant change is, for example, introducing ranges.
 
user1174868
damn you steam sale, is From Dust any good?
 
6:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Eh. I still think v = std::vector<T>(); is fine.
@Jordan No.
 
user1174868
Good, 2 days down, wallet intact
 
@EtiennedeMartel Some merkins really should do that.
 
Spotify Y U have to timeout for login before I can specify a proxy?
@Cicada awe now i'm sad
 
user1174868
oh lawd, my guild wars 2 beta launcher had an update
 
Mine 2, u jelly?
 
user1174868
6:55 PM
I love how GW2 comes out the day I go back to school
 
It crashed btw.
 
user1174868
I have like 90 days off and it comes out on my last day off
 
lol complete invasion of PHP room
 
It's pretty funny.
This room died because you all went to join the fun.
 
Why would you touch the PHP room?
It's got to have diseases
 
6:57 PM
@LeviMorrison It's called a chat transplant ;)
 
user1174868
What is wrong with PHP?
 
@Jordan :D Good joke ^^
 
user1174868
:(
 
@Jordan It's a perfect language, so everyone has to hate on it.
 
@Jordan Everything.
 
6:58 PM
PHP = Perfect Hypothetical Penis
 
user1174868
Do PHP people hate on C++ or is it sort of a one way street?
 
wtf did I just say
 
@Jordan Probably, but not nearly as much
 
@Mysticial I think your encounter with PHP may have broked you in the brain, Mystic
 
Pfff, uncovered my Etienne, screw you.
 
6:59 PM
@Jordan they hate on C++ because of the fact that C++ hates on PHP
 
@Jordan I think most of the PHP chat regulars like C++.
The one exception I know of is @ircmaxell.
 
@SamDeHaan My weekend started already... sooo...
 
/jealous
 
@Cicada I was pretty obvious, although I guess that dude fell for it
 
My weekend is going to have to have work stuck in the middle of it
 
7:00 PM
@Cicada Hihihi
 
Come to PHP room, and bring your popcorn.
 
@Collin He's a room owner and likes to maintain order.
I don't think he was following everything.
Just popped in.
 
did you know that PHPers frequently use the tag in their chat when linking questions they'd like to close.. and the most frequent reason for closing a question: "RTFM"
 
God just got brought up, so it should be a good time to go join the PHP room.
 
@LeviMorrison We do ;)
@LeviMorrison Yeah, when God is mentioned people usually try to blow stuff up
 
7:02 PM
erhm.. what the flux, wrong quote
 
user1174868
Buying a mesh chair is the worst idea, I spill so much food in it that I can't get out
 
But you can rasterize it.
 
user1174868
I wish the steam sale sold chairs
 
3 hours ago, by Tony The Lion
WHY IN THE NAME OF FUCKING SHITTY SHIT DO YOU KEEP COMING IN HERE TO BRING UP PHP AND REMIND US OF MISERY AND DESPAIR???!!!
 
@TonyTheLion This time it was to protect C++'s good name. :-)
 
7:05 PM
I thought that was quite clear.
 
361
A: Why can't there be an "ultimate" programming language?

Michael Stum Weakly typed languages like JavaScript and PHP suck as they are really error prone. Statically typed languages like C# suck as they are unnecessarily strict and lead to casting and more casting. Specialized languages like SQL or RegExp suck because they are not powerful enough to implement a Web...

So LOLCODE is the ultimate language because it doesn't suck.
 
oh cool
I"m switching to LOLCODE
where any feature is a bug and any bug is a feature
 
I'm switching to C++!
 
@Cicada Oh, are ya already fed up with PHP?
 
Nah, I still use it for kernel development
 
7:08 PM
Yeah, I also have all my high performance code written in PHP
All the simple things I leave to C++
 
Yeah. C++ is really a breeze to work with. Need a simple, short and efficient script? C++
 
Oh, me likes:
3 hours ago, by FredOverflow
@RMartinhoFernandes BREAKING NEWS: Language wars finally over. Preliminary result: every major programming language sucks.
 
No compilation, no nothing. It just works!
 
I do all of my kernel development in VB 6.0
 
@Cicada are you being sarcastic by any chance? :P
 
7:11 PM
Cicada is too pedantic to be sarcastic
 
@thecoshman You know me and my deep hatred for sarcasm.
 
@thecoshman No, pretty sure she's srs.
 
@Cicada it's about on par with your respect for most of us in here ¬_¬
 
@thecoshman I thought that one was negative
 
@Cicada He did a case insensitive compare. He rolled it himself. >.> <.<
 
7:13 PM
¬_¬ let's spare the sillies, Cicada loves sarcasm, has little to no respect of most people here
 
@thecoshman If I was as intelligent as Cicada, I probably wouldn't respect many people either. :-)
 
@JimNorton there's no need to kiss ass
 
@thecoshman Oh, but I'm not kissing ass.
 
@JimNorton then you are deluded
 
Cicada does in fact seem very intelligent to me....
And I respect THAT... but I could be wrong.
 
7:15 PM
HURRRRRRR
lol couldn't resist
 
@thecoshman He can't handle the frenchy accent
 
no offence to you Cicada, but I doubt you are exceptionally intelligent, this room actually holds a rather smart bunch of people
@SamDeHaan must be it :P
 
It's ok I'm not offended, I'm just a simple insect after all
 
I don't really but the argument for why std::tuple wasn't implemented with std::get as member, anyone care to enlighten me about it?
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A: std::tuple get() member function

doublepFrom C++0x draft: [ Note: The reason get is a nonmember function is that if this functionality had been provided as a member function, code where the type depended on a template parameter would have required using the template keyword. — end note ] This can be illustrated with this code: t...

 
Also it's not that I don't respect people - I actually do. I just don't get attached or anything. I don't care mostly. This is internet remember.
 
Xeo
7:17 PM
@refp Basically, because a templated tuple would require tup.template get<..>()
 
@Xeo why? ...
 
Xeo
Search for the template and typename question
Every member of a template is taken as a data member by the compiler unless told otherwise
It's the same as with the need for typename
If you didn't need template for the member, you'd have an ambiguity here:
 
@Xeo hmm.. I'm not too sure, I see the point but.. let me finish this snippet for you, the way I would have implemented it
 
Also may I ask why I look irrespectuous? Just because I'm constantly being annoying?
 
Xeo
foo.bar < 1 > (0)
could be parsed as a template member with 0 as an argument and 1 as a template argument, or as foo.bar less 1 greater 0
 
Xeo
regardless if the second meaning would even make sense in the context
 
@refp Ah, now I remember what that discussion was about. It wasn't about PHP but about you answering some question that we closed (or something like that)?
 
@Cicada it's very much a case of you can't look that smart at CERN, if you catch my drift.
 
oh god the C++ room is talking about PHP and the PHP room is talking about C++
these are clearly the endtimes
 
Xeo
4 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
7:22 PM
I don't work at CERN.
 
Xeo
'twas announced
 
I don't feel particularly smart either.
 
I guess most people aren't, even really great programmers.
 
@Cicada I'm not kissing ass here, but you seem fairly intelligent...
 
Rather just hard working people.
 
7:23 PM
> fairly
 
@Cicada you come across, to me at least, that you find it hard to consider many us as much more then a bunch of porn obsessed wankers (apt word in this case)
 
@Collin quick, it's time to subscribe to whatever religion you like the outcome of most! I hear Mormons get to be gods of their own universe sandbox!
 
@Xeo but.. what about this: ideone.com/kSU4S
 
Xeo
@Cicada seems fairly shortlived. :>
 
@thecoshman Oh no. This is just my way to inject drama.
 
7:23 PM
@Cicada my point was, that at CERN they are all very smart, but none of them stick out as particularly smart compared to each other
 
@SamDeHaan Do the pastafarians have anything cool? They seem like nice people.
 
Elon Musk doesn't seem to be much of a speaker.
 
Because you're all a bunch of perverted guys who think that what you see in porn actually happens IRL.
 
@thecoshman how long have you been on the internets? What is this 'troll'?
 
lol @Cicada
 
7:24 PM
@Xeo 17 years as a larva.
 
@SamDeHaan I call's it like I sees it
 
well if you never go out..
 
@Collin I thiiiink just colander hats.
 
Xeo
@refp template<class... T> void f(MotherOfTuples<T...> tup){ g(tup.template var<0>()); }
can't get around the template
 
@Cicada do people look at the angels in fine art, and dismiss as fictitious drivel? is it so wrong to escape into a fantasy world where a team of smoke hot beach volley ball girls fall to your knees an make passionate love to you?
 
7:25 PM
@Collin You'll like this:
in PHP, 1 min ago, by PeeHaa
We should just merge the two rooms. Apocalypse! Run for your lives!!11!
 
and no, I am not saying porn is art
 
@thecoshman See. Another success.
 
@Cicada and case in point :P
 
@Cicada, this room almost makes it too easy for you. It must not be that entertaining after a while.
 
@SamDeHaan As long as I win, I keep playing.
 
7:27 PM
@Cicada Fair enough.
 
Ell
why is porn always talked about here?
 
@Cicada do you have a boyfriend? curious :D
 
@Nils Yes! @TimPost
 
you are weirder than those PHP guys
 
@Cicada indeed, you have proved yet again to fail to understand something, or to put forward an argument for dislike. If you arm is to simple look immature, then take your success.
 
7:27 PM
@Xeo ah yes, of course
 
@Cicada :)
 
@webarto so much weirder.
 
@thecoshman Someone explain to this guy what just happenned please lol
 
@thecoshman I can't parse that.
 
I came here for the porn
What? where?
 
7:28 PM
@PeeHaa That's the reason we're all here ^^
 
damn you
 
@PeeHaa Sorry, @TonyTheLion 's not here right now.
 
Sad thing
 
any way, fucks are not to be spared on this, I have drink to getting, transporting, and filtering with my body
to steal a catch phrase, peace out girl scouts
 
Xeo
@thecoshman lol
 
7:30 PM
@Cicada I don't think it'll work. He seems to be failing at internet.
 
@thecoshman "I found my way over the Ireland an settled in a 'lovely' job as a Java developer. Oh yes, I just love working with Java ¬_¬" I like you
 
@SamDeHaan He should probably reboot his Google and defragment his IP.
 
Anybody know a nload equivalent program for mac 10.7?
 
@NicoBellic nload.src.tar.gz?
 
7:46 PM
@Cicada defragment all of his IPs
 
@SamDeHaan We could find him if we could just sort his packets by which IP address they're coming from
 
1. C++ Lounge 2. Tony The Lion 3. ??????? 4. PROFIT
 
Does OSX come with a compiler? Or does one need to install gcc or some other compiler?
 
I can define the third
it's "Shoot Tony the Lion, invent Wide and move to the Wide Lounge".
 
@TonyTheLion Last night I played Cards Against Humanity, and someone played: 1. Preteen girls 2. A good sniff 3. Profit
 
7:56 PM
lol
you want to shoot me? :(
 
@JimNorton You have to get one through Xcode.
 
Oh, god, Cards Against Humanity
I've played once, I "won", but it felt more like I lost.
 
@Drise Thanks for the information :-)
 
Lost part of my soul, that is.
 
7:57 PM
@JimNorton Install Xcode, and make sure you check the "UNIX development" checkbox (or something like that) during install.
 
@ManofOneWay I take it that means "no"?
 
thank you @EtiennedeMartel
 

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