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8:00 PM
I have no idea what I'm talking about.
 
Just made it up right now.
 
Ah.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Apparently not..
 
I figured the "I have no idea what I" part out by myself!
 
8:00 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb It's group video chat. /shrug. Use it however you want. I know some people that use it for remote tabletop RPG gaming.
 
I would probably abbreviate it as IHNIWIMTA though.
 
@Drise I still made it up. Doesn't preclude someone else having done the same.
 
@FredOverflow Well, you would probably abbreviate it wrong. /snark
 
It's not like it's patented or something.
 
@SamDeHaan ohh
is it used for conferences?
 
8:01 PM
@SamDeHaan s/snark/truth/
 
like, C++ meeting or something?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Is it? No idea. Could be, sure.
 
@CatPlusPlus is definitely evil, it seems.
 
Hey, world domination is my thing.
Except I'm not evil.
 
You can start with world domino.
 
8:03 PM
You also have a more extensive vocabulary.
 
And you're not a cat.
 
Get it? It's supposed to be funny.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I prefer less photoshop. At least less HDR
 
i like the HDR things
it looks more realistic
 
8:05 PM
It looks more surreal, less real IMO
 
hmm
human brain also has built-in HDR capability
 
Human brain is much better at it than photoshop is (again, IMO)
 
Human brain is not so good, especially in static scenes.
 
hmm i agree. i've not done it yet but ppl seem to say you often need to help photoshop so the picture looks good
 
8:08 PM
But we have better notion in motion. We evolved for it!
 
@SamDeHaan HDR is annoying and taxing on my video card
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I'm a fan of avoiding photoshop at all costs. That said, It doesn't always work. I'm way too lazy to calibrate my camera's settings to every scene I want to shoot anything in, so photoshop stays in the process.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb y u use ppl and not I?
 
i see no difference in "lie"-means of calibrating your camera or calibrating with photoshop
in the end there is no "the real picture". so any HDR recording (except if you actually paint into the picture) is "real".
or am i missing something?
 
Oh, I didn't mean HDR. You can't really do HDR SOOC (straight out of camera).
 
8:13 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb I think your notion of reality is different. Could you describe it?
 
I always thought Johannes used pictures with ODR instead.
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı different than what?
 
What is a real picture for you?
 
in the end reality is a crude higgs container of all sort of dirty particles
you and the camera/whatever-processes-the-camera-result makes the picture I think
 
For example, a real picture has lower entropy and resonance
Not artistically speaking, of course.
 
8:15 PM
@SeçkinSavaşçı lower chaos?
 
you mean less contrast?
 
@Drise exactly
 
dunno what you mean by that :(
 
lower impact of dark noise
 
 
8:15 PM
@SeçkinSavaşçı PIC OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
 
Pic of what?;
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı No, but an example?
 
ha ok, let me find you in my library.
 
what does "lower impact of dark noise" mean.
is it something scientifically?
 
8:18 PM
yeah, there is something called dark noise, caused by black body radiation.
for example, how do you identify that this picture is not from a real scene?
 
difficult
but the mountains look weird :)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb They seem to center upon the building.
 
Well, first of all Because there is black spot on the left corner. XY derivative won't give the same result of YX derivative.
 
I'm doing evil things to you, Computer Vision is the root of evil, sometimes.
 
8:21 PM
lol
 
Actually in this picture, there is some gaussian noise that wipes out sharp corners
Btw dark noise is not something that you can avoid
it is there because your capturing device contains atoms.
 
you mean the "black noise" spot
of course that's not real lol
 
@JohannesSchaublitb you are talking with your human notions, think yourself as a computer and blackspot over there is just some pixel data.
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı My eyes contain atoms... What's your point?
 
8:27 PM
 
@Drise because we are in an enviroment over 0 kelvin, all atoms have motion depending on some factors. And this motion causes clashes between them, forming new molecules in equlibrium state. So wherever you look your scene contains some chemical reactions which causes energy to be flushed. This energy is the black body radiation. Also you don't need to have molecules for this radiation. Two atom clashes and there is some free energy in result.
for more scientific approach, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation
 
OK, that's above me lol
 
double or float?
 
Java is evil for lots of aspects.
@Drise double of float what?
It is the matter of precision
 
Lol, Java isn't evil. It's just boring.
 
8:36 PM
float : 7 digits after the dot; double : 15 digits after the dot
 
@Drise Who is that person and is he in a wheelchair or something?
 
@JimNorton I have no idea.
 
Java is evil IMO because it has logically inconsistencies.
for example you need at least 1 class to operate.
So it looks like purely OOP.
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı Just like your sentence has grammatical errors? :p
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı I remember someone saying long size is uncertain, so I wanted to know if that also applied to floats vs double.
 
8:38 PM
But you cannot derive classes from base types.
@StackedCrooked I'm not a native speaker, I'm just doing my best.
@StackedCrooked BTW can you explain me where is grammatically wrong?
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı @StackedCrooked He is doing a decent job, I'll give him that.
 
Xeo
@SeçkinSavaşçı Java's not a native speaker either. :D
 
re the lounge description "Thou shalt prefix thy standard library names with std::", of course not, except possibly std::distance.
 
@Drise 7-15 thing is general acceptance, it is purely machine/configuration dependent.
 
8:41 PM
@SeçkinSavaşçı Though I do condemn his lack of use of reply-to-this-message
 
@fred: on the contrary, the ability to do using is much of the very point of namespaces. otherwise just use C style name prefixes. after all, the difference is whether they can be removed, and if you want to force non-removal, then C style name prefixes should be ideal.
 
it's that moment again where you start reading about colors on wikipedia and after 2 minutes end up reading about quantum algorithms and black holes
 
Oh boy, can of worms just opened.
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı Try to find it yourself. You can find the answer in my original reply.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb y u no use SHIFT key
 
8:44 PM
lol
 
@Drise The standard library doesn't use capital letters either.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb why this interest in irrationality? after all, quantum computing relies on existence of parallell cosms interacting with ours, performing infinite computation in no time: it's fantasy. and after all, relativistically a black hole would use infinite time to form, in our frame of reference, because time goes slower the stronger the gravitational field, up to the limit of not progressing at all at the point where a black hole forms.
 
@StackedCrooked you make a good point but this just gets on my nerves after a while
 
@CheersandhthAlf why this interest in irrationality? That's a bit of a loaded question.
 
@johannes: that's why the original concept was called frozen stars, not "black holes".
 
8:47 PM
@Drise It's not like you are using the SHIFT key now :p
 
@CheersandhthAlf I think the interest is not irrationality but determinism. Remember that the NDA's are equivelant to DFA. That was one of the breakthroughs in my academic life.
 
@StackedCrooked It was an example.
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı if you allow very large DFAs yes
 
@CheersandhthAlf Large or not, it depends on your notion of size. I had an olivetti machine with 2 MB RAM which was huge when i was 5.
 
@CheersandhthAlf oh boy, i wish i would forget all the crap about C++ and instead understand black holes
 
8:49 PM
@Drise And I wasn't making a good point, I was making a silly joke that implied Johannes having the std so ingrained that it affects his typing style.
 
Playing Lotus all the time!
 
Not capitalising your sentences just makes you look silly.
 
agreed.
 
8:49 PM
there you have your shift key
 
@CatPlusPlus not capitalising just habit and not an indicator of silliness IMO.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Now he doesn't even use punctuation. Do I need to buy you a new keyboard? It seems your current one is malfunctioning.
 
BTW I have no evidence to prove it :)
 
noone except the pedants capitalise on the internet
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Now, you wouldn't agree to people using delete in the wrong places either, right? (Like on stack memory ^^)
@JohannesSchaublitb And the adventurists (or some word that resembles that).
 
8:52 PM
Is there any one implemented Bogosort for some reason?
 
I am not implemented it.
 
wHaT iS SO impORTaNt aBouT thE SHifT kEy?
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@JimNorton aching eyes!!!!!
 
@JimNorton It allows you to type { and }. Oh wait, you don't need those; you have <% and %>.
 
@JimNorton Ooh, are you into visual arts?
 
8:53 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb first u need to address the question of existence. in a relativistic universe they don't exist, as far as i understand it. so it's a huge leap...
 
Or in Python, you have ` ` instead of { and }.
 
@RadekSlupik trigraphs and digraphs, right?
 
@RadekSlupik Nope not me... I don't write in those silly languages..
 
How the fuck do I create a <code> tag with a single space? xD
@SeçkinSavaşçı Yup.
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, in that I see art.
 
8:54 PM
I'm creating a web app about art.
 
@johannes: if you want a third such concept, check out magnetic monopoles. a fourth: dark matter. fifth: the postulated expansion force that drove postulated exponential inflation (mr Guth)
 
Just don't use PHP..
It would be silly.
 
Of course I don't use PHP. I use Python.
 
@RadekSlupik There you go... good choice....
 
8:55 PM
Would you say programming is an art, a craft, a science, or simply a profession?
 
@RadekSlupik What?
 
@JimNorton I know; I'm good at choosing.
 
@StackedCrooked All the above.
 
@CatPlusPlus spaces instead of braces.
Indentation.
 
in short, we still live in the age of irrationality, we're not yet out of the middle ages. as i see it.
 
8:56 PM
Oh, space. I thought you were talking about backticks.
 
@StackedCrooked Definitely all of the above.
 
Yeah chatmarkdown kinda sucks.
 
@Drise I know this stuff, I'm looking for a more realistic situation of our times that bogosort can be beneficial.
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı Why do you believe that such a thing exists?
 
@JimNorton Does that mean programmers are artists comparable to, for example, Picasso?
 
8:57 PM
@StackedCrooked ABSTRACTIONS!!!
 
@DeadMG I simply don't. I'm just wondering if any exists.
 
@RadekSlupik You got me there :p
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı The odds of a successful bogosort are 1:N^N, where N is the size if the data set to be sorted
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı Why would anyone want an O(inf) algorithm when they could have an O(n log n) algorithm?
 
His full name is Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso. -_-
 
8:58 PM
And Cubism is a trend, like functional, procedural or OOP.. ?
 
Cubism is extensive usage of O(n³) algorithms.
 
Note also: I like to use my ass cheeks to type occasionally, so I may be talking out my ass here.
 
@StackedCrooked I would say so... just a different medium.
 
@DeadMG I also have the same argument with you. But maybe there is a useful application.
 
well, there isn't.
 
8:59 PM
 
what on earth would make you think there was?
 
^ Programming is an art like Picasso's?
 
@StackedCrooked Is that PHP art?
 
@CheersandhthAlf wait. dark matter is just an excuse. it hasn't been proven yet
 

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