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9:00 PM
ow. I was varnishing the floor, I tried to kick of my shoes because they where getting annoying, and I some how pulled a muscle or something. All I know for sure is my leg really hurts, and was done in the most stupid way possible
 
sbi
Then I had to also support his sister. She had supported him all by herself (two cops, no matter how nice and understanding, are not a lot of emotional support for a scared 12yo who longs for mum and dad), was shocked herself, but kept herself upright all the time, trying to not to let him feel. So, when he was in bed, she collapsed sobbing, too.
 
@thecoshman it's always like that in home improvement. I'm just glad it doesn't just happen to me
 
@sbi Mind my askin' how old she is ? (If that's not an impertinent thing to ask)
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth She is 15. Considering what happened, I feel like saying "only 15".
 
@sehe stabbing my self with a drill I can accept, but slipping of my shoes and pulling a muscle, I feel so decrepped
 
9:02 PM
@sbi I can pretty much predict the temperature of your ear lobes now. This stuff drains energy real quick. I bet you're feeling like you have a fever yourself
@thecoshman Good thing that you can still have a new word all for yourself
 
@thecoshman "decrepit"?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes just creepy, my guess
 
sbi
@sehe Now that they are in bed, that I have talked to their mother on the phone for what felt like 5hrs (it was about one, actually, but she was frantic), I had to tell someone the whole thing.
Thanks, guys, for listening.
 
:)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes perhaps... as you know words are my strong point
 
9:04 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes No, obviously decreped -- as in, "all out of crepes, need to go get some more -- oh, and some cream cheese to put on them too."
 
@thecoshman So is your imagination ... "stabbing myself with a drill" ...
 
Amazingly, he kept the bottles?
@thecoshman No your hamstring is your strong point
 
@sbi only caught the tail end of this, despite the scare, I'm glad to here your wee one is not harmed, and proved to be quite the brave chap
 
@ScarletAmaranth good call
 
@JerryCoffin Sounds like something the puppy would say.
 
9:06 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes s/cheese/strawberries/ I guess?
 
@sehe it's clearly not my (works really hard to remember his basic biology) quadrocept
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, all the cops entering and leaving the apartment had to climb over a mountain of empty bottles, because none of us felt like stowing them away.
 
Why don't kids just resort to programming while bored, really ... or at least 9gag ...
 
@sbi lol
 
Feb 29 at 15:24, by DeadMG
cheese is fucking tasty
"Cheese" fits just fine.
 
9:06 PM
13 mins ago, by DeadMG
it's time for strawberries
Actual context matters :)
 
"would say"
 
You win.
 
@sbi wait, how many bottles was he carrying? (feel free to slap me away if this is bit too soon) is he some sort of tentacled monster?
now to hobble back up stairs to clean up after the misses finishing my failed job
 
ever heard of a "bag"?
 
9:08 PM
@thecoshman You can carry a lot if you don't have two left legs hands :)
 
@DeadMG That's a high level abstract container.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Most of them are of plastic, weight almost nothing, but are very voluminous. He had a backpack full of bottles, two bags full of bottles attached to it, and carried three more bags in his hands. He must have been quite a sight. :)
 
@sbi Why are you telling him the details of the implementation of "bag" man ? :)
 
Conjures images of Rémi meets street musician
 
9:10 PM
@sbi Whenever I have a kid I'm going to make him carry around voluminous but light things because it's so hilarious looking
 
@sbi Also kind of explains him not handing over the bottles at first prompt: It might have taken 5 minutes to dismantle the luggage (SCNR)
 
sbi
Well, I have decided that this is a night to end with a bottle of wine, so I just uncorked a bottle of Spanish tempranillo. It's not too bad, but not too good either. Maybe this evening would have called for a more expensive one. Oh well.
 
@sbi After a couple glasses it will be much better
 
@sbi Make it a bottle with deposit :)
 
You can't dismantle The Luggage. It bites.
 
sbi
9:11 PM
In fact, that policewoman obviously had a very hard time believing that he carried all this.
@RMartinhoFernandes If your lucky, it only bites.
 
@sbi Maybe, but then again, it doesn't sound like exactly the sort of night you'd celebrate either.
 
Nope. Tomorrow you'll thank yourself for not spoiling the nice wine
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin No. But I need to come down to be able to go to bed. My alarm will go off in 6.5hrs, and I am pretty exhausted, yet too excited to go to bed.
 
@Collin Probably not -- even alcohol can't cover up a mediocre Tempranillo.
 
sbi
@Collin I doubt it. But it's not really bad, so it's Ok.
 
9:13 PM
@JerryCoffin I bet it can cover up good taste, though
 
@sbi That's certainly understandable.
 
Bitch please, i have never heard Tempranillo before :)
 
It's wine.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I thought wine was software to make windows applications sort-a-work on *NIX
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth It's a kind of vine, commonly grown in Spain, and often put into barriques.
 
9:15 PM
@sehe Amazingly enough, no, not really. A few years ago touring Bordeaux, sometimes I got to the point I had to be pretty careful to walk straight (sorry, but I do not deposit good wine in a spitoon) but could still taste quite well.
@sehe No, that's WINE.
 
No need to shout :)
 
sbi
@sehe At his mother's it's his chore to return all the deposit bottles, but he can keep the money. So a few months ago he approached me asking if he could do this here, too. I asked what would be the advantage for me if he did that? Different from his mother, it's not too hard for me to return the bottles myself. He thought about that for a while, and then offered to also take care of the glass for which there is no deposit, but which has to be taken away, too. To that I happily agreed.
 
@sehe Capitalizing an acronym isn't shouting.
 
> A spittoon (or spitoon) is a receptacle made for spitting into, especially by users of chewing and dipping tobacco.
Awesome.
 
@JerryCoffin (don't tell: I knew. And I knew)
> It is also known as a cuspidor
 
9:17 PM
@sbi the legendary "what's in it for me" :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes But also used by people doing "proper" wine tasting. Any decent vineyard will have them spread around their tasting room -- but at the really good ones, they'll be empty!
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth I prefer my kids to learn to make contracts that all involved parties benefit from. To give without asking for anything in return they have grandparents for.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
@sehe It's weird. "Cuspidor" means "spitter", i.e., the one doing the spitting. I never heard it referring to a receptacle.
 
@sbi So true. I remember making deals like that. Taught me a lot, mostly about 'staying honest' or 'no-nonsense' in relationships
 
@sbi Grandparents, ruining parenting since 10 000 bc.
 
sbi
9:20 PM
@JerryCoffin Yeah, this one makes my tongue curl a bit too much for my taste. I like my tempranillo like dark velvet with a hint of vanilla.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's also used to refer to the type of spitting sink used in dentistry. (Thanks, WP)
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's not "ruining parenting", it's "delayed punishment for what you did as a child."
 
@ScarletAmaranth No it's not like that. It's symbiosis. If arranged well it benefits all parties, including the parenting.
 
So much useful information about ... Cuspidors ...
 
sbi
9:23 PM
@ScarletAmaranth No, actually they don't, if parents are able to stake out their claim and defend it. I remember very well that one of my grandmothers would allow me to do almost anything, but I never had trouble with the idea that, when I came back home, this was over. Also, I remember my mother telling here calmly, but firmly, that, when I am alone with her, she can do as she pleases, but when I'm with my mother, I'll have to do what my mother says I should do.
I do the same with my kids, and they also never ever asked me to allow something I am sure my mother allows then to do. And I also tell her to watch me dealing with my kids, but never intrude in front of the kids, no matter what she thinks of what I say.
 
argh
 
I still had to bite my lip when my in-laws gave my kids no less than three surprise easter eggs (each). But I'm glad I do, and it gives them the necessary comparison experiences (if all is soberness/fairness all the time, how will they know what happens when you abandon boundaries/measures)
 
the strawberries; they were teh frozens
 
@DeadMG hmmmmmppppff lol
 
considering that they were frozen solid whilst in the fridge..
 
9:25 PM
And we've got the winner! The most out-of-context participant is ... * drums * ... DeadMG :)
 
@sbi it does sound adorable, this little kid determined to carry all the bottles for mum. Makes me feel really bad about the few glass bottles built up in my kitchen... I walk past the damn recycling bin for them on my way to bus
 
you really have a nack of relativizing food
@ScarletAmaranth That's not fair. He's in his own context. The rest is simply not paying attention
 
@sehe How do you relativize food?
 
@sbi I dunno -- good Tempranillo strikes me as a bit like good Pinot Noir -- I've heard of it, but never really liked any I tasted...
 
@DeadMG Throw it fast enough.
 
9:26 PM
^^ Zing!
 
lol
 
@DeadMG I find it is a rare treat for a fridge to not semi-freeze the food you are wanting to eat
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, that's a problem here, too. Sweets are way too cheap, and those grandparents just check how much it costs, not how the digestive system of a 3yo can deal with the amount. My take on this: at certain days (X-Mas, Eastern, birthday), I put no restrictions at all on how the kids eat. They can eat nothing but sweets all day. Usually, the smallest kid will throw up in the evening, their belly waving a white flag. have a granny around for that once or twice, and they see reason, too.
 
@sbi I can so picture the white flag
 
@sbi You're a cruel cruel person ^^
 
9:28 PM
No. Realism is the real deal. Everybody profits from sseeing reality
 
@ScarletAmaranth good parent *FTFY
 
@thecoshman Perhaps, you should switch to DVORAK. But don't change your typing habits
@sbi In fact, this time around I encouraged them to eat everything (I had to convince my wife just a little, saying "We don't want to be stuck with them easter eggs for the next 6 weeks like last year)
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Why? One of my rules for raising kids: Never put yourself between your kids and natural laws. How can they learn to obey those, when they never feel their brute onslaught? If you waste time in the bathroom in the evening, that time will be gone and isn't available for reading a story before bed. If you ignore a (one, really) warning that too much sweets are bad, you will feel they are. The sooner you learn that, the better.
 
@sehe I have considered getting my self a left handed Dvorak, but that is not going to help the fact that I just fail at spelling
 
@sbi Do your kids have any opinions yet that you categorically disagree with ?
(Should you find any of the questions inappropriate, feel encouraged to send me to hell! :))
 
9:30 PM
Most often, if we start dosing the the sweets, the majority of it will just be forgotten, and it was bad for my weight development :)
 
sbi
@sehe That's the bad thing about those surprise eggs: they only have very little chocolate, but a lot of useless crap in them.
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's a slamdunk :)
 
Slamdunk o_O ?
 
@sbi the sort of useless crap that reproduces and soon starts to form a culture in the corner of the room
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth I have a 15 yo daughter (who comes across like a 17yo, actually). Of course we have a lot we disagree over!
 
9:31 PM
@sbi Yeah, we're only just starting to really throw crap away. But the kids themselves are motivated now. Too much cruft takes the fun out of rummaging through the toy cabinet
 
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A: Deleting an array of classes

DeadMGThe proper way is to use a resource-managing class like std::vector<std::unique_ptr<MyClass>>. This will always guarantee correct resource cleanup with no user intervention. Any C++ code which sees delete, new[] or delete[] used should be immediately refactored to avoid them- and new ...

 
@thecoshman Starred. And - no typos!
 
what is it with people? the second question today to get 99999 C answers to resource management
 
@sehe do I get a star for every typo free post?
 
If i had a penny for every question that can be solved by simply switching to std::vector, i could probably afford to buy Microshoft
3
 
9:33 PM
@thecoshman No, hence the use of 'And' - it's a conjunction, not implication
 
sbi
@thecoshman "Corner of the room"? You underestimate the number of kids I have, and the amount of crap they accumulate over the years. It's really amazing, the stuff that starts to turn up at home once the kids get older. None of this I would ever buy willingly. Yet it finds its way into my household, and nobody knows how it did. But "Don't you dare to throw this away, dad!"
 
@ScarletAmaranth Nah, Instagram is the new hot stuff
 
@sbi from my understanding, at least you don't have worry about the popular look for kids being more or less the same as hookers
 
@sehe I'm so happy to not own a shitface account.
 
I join you in your righteous rejoicing
 
9:34 PM
Honestly, the amount of time people spend on shitface makes me want to strangle baby seals ...
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh, in that department we disagree a lot. When she leaves in the morning, I always have to hold back to not to tell her that I would never ever fall in love with a woman that's as painted as she is. She knows, so there's no point in repeatedly telling. It would only strengthen her resolve to stick with this. As it is, it's just a phase that will pass, too, in time.
 
@ScarletAmaranth strangle navy seals, FTFY; much more of a challenge
 
What's shitface?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes FB reference
 
@sbi my GF brother (probably family really) is terrible for hoarding crap like that. case in point, he has a kept an energy drinks can because he was given it by a guy on the back of a 'cool' truck (the brother is 21)
 
9:36 PM
What's a 'cool' truck?
I feel like everyone is speaking in code today.
 
A truck with icrecream.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You would ask the GF brother I suppose
 
sbi
@sehe How is he supposed to be able to ask @thecoshman's GF brother?
 
@sbi oh man, if only it was just the make up. I like a sexy lady, but I feel revovlted when I see (what looks to be) ten year old girls going around with trousers saying "want some" across that ass
 
@sbi My turn to say 'you would'
 
9:38 PM
May i repost I dont want to live on this planet anymore meme ?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes it a was a promotional pick up truck for monster (the energy drink in question)
 
sbi
@thecoshman I don't think she does that. (In fact, even her granny thinks she is rather decent in that regard.)
 
Are you sure it isn't in 15 karat gold?
 
sbi
@sehe Huh? That one went over my head.
 
@sbi I cheated. Snuck (sneaked?) in 'would' in that post
 
9:39 PM
@sbi yeah, in England and Ireland, the notion of innocent youth is long gone
 
eh
children are growing up faster, and that's just one example aspect
 
@DeadMG You got that absolutely in reverse
 
sbi
@sehe My reply is still the same, I guess.
 
@sbi .. ok. I didn't want to imply that the opportunity was real. It was just the proper course of action to get the answer.
 
I have a meta question
 
9:41 PM
@DeadMG yeah, I still don't have to like seeing prepubescent children dressing in clothing more provocative and sexually oriented then adults
 
i may or may not have a meta answer to it
 
I asked about a datastructure, but I botched the description
 
sbi
@thecoshman Well, my response depends on your definition of "innocent". From a certain POV, I even helped her to lose hers over Christmas. (From my POV, I helped her to be safe while doing so.)
 
Jerry Coffin gamve me better answe
 
sbi
9:42 PM
@Jerry is here, actually.
 
sorry a better way to ask it. Would i make sense to reask?
 
I even helped her to lose hers over Christmas. o_O ?
 
or edit
 
@sbi Wait what ?
 
@deft_code +1 for 'edit it'
 
9:42 PM
Kk, can someone explain this +1 concept to me :D ?
I have never quite understood what it actually means.
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth He is logged into the chat room. What's unclear about that?
 
@ScarletAmaranth my vote
 
I'd need to basically slash a burn, then the two (not useful) answers would be obviously wrong
 
@sbi if I assume we are now referring to 'that' innocence, then well, it's going to happen sooner or later, the least you can do as an decent parent is make sure they don't do anything too stupid
 
@sbi Nevermind! :)
 
9:44 PM
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@deft_code If you end up asking a whole other question, it is ok to post it as, well, a whole other question.
Just remember to say thank you for any helpful bits in the existing answers :)
 
Wow, sed is Turing-complete.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Only GNU sed, I wager? Or POSIX as well?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, that's what I did. I convinced her mother (who I know was only 14) that we'd all be better of when she's safe, rather than forbid, and then made sure she's safe. I told here I'd rather she'd wait another year or two, but if that doesn't work out, I want her to be prepared. She blushed and then agreed. She didn't wait, but she kind of asked me before she rushed into it, so I guess I am actually a lucky parent.
 
Dunno. They're all the same to me.
 
9:47 PM
@sbi You're making parenting look difficult in my eyes, kind sir ... :)
 
That would seem to be about right then.
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Never has anything been harder for me than parenting.
 
@sbi what do you mean by the "who I know was only 14"
 
@sbi Heh. I'd blame the language barrier
 
@thecoshman The child's mother lost their virginity at 14.
 
9:48 PM
@sbi I just cant't wait... rolls eyes
 
@DeadMG well, that's laying it out there :D
 
@sbi Can't choose the right datastructure for it ? :)
 
yawn. guns don't kill etc
 
How's that relevant?
Is this code again?
 
sbi
9:49 PM
@thecoshman What are you even talking about?
 
Nope, that's global warming.
 
@ScarletAmaranth It's not something you can store. All intermediate state is volatile. No guarantees, no happens before, UB pretty much inevitable. You know, life :)
 
@sbi what are you talking about... mr edit my posts so responses look out of place
 
@sehe Yeah srsly, nature should fix that, UB everywhere ... i mean, it's quite a complex system but still.
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth It's all about algorithms, actually. Parenting isn't something static, it's all terribly dynamic.
 
9:50 PM
I'm lost.
 
@sbi but yeah, parenting, hard as fuck I am sure. And they think they can write books on it :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman I am asking what you can't wait for.
@RMartinhoFernandes Use google maps to find home.
 
@sbi Yeah but it's difficult to take stochastic behavior into consideration ...
 
?
 
sooo
 
9:52 PM
@sbi agh, kids, if I do want to curse the world with mini mes, fairly sure I want to wait a bit longer first
 
c++
pretty cool huh?
 
Yeah i've heared that "c++" somewhere before ...
 
C++, lol.
@deft_code You're new here, aren't you?
 
c += 1 ?
c = c + 1 ?
 
9:53 PM
C++ has the most active forum
 
@thecoshman my +1 :) Though, don't wait quite so long that you'd not be able to run after your kids or play football for fear of a heart attack
 
@sbi Well, I was....and I am again, but I had to leave for a bit (some of that parenting stuff, but fortunately no police or knives were involved).
 
*chat
it must mean c++ is the best lang on SO
except that the chat is full of ... well ... internet stuff
 
@deft_code Yes, but mostly because most of the time we don't talk about C++ :)
 
sbi
@thecoshman Over the years, I have found that there's a few basic rules to parenting. I am not quite sure enough about them to neatly write them down in the right order and wording, but I can drop a few here and there, occasionally. One of the most important ones, IMO, is this one: "It's just a phase. It will pass." (Then comes another phase, but I'd rather not include that.)
 
9:54 PM
@sehe not sure what the "my +1 :) " means, but still, im only... 23 so I like to think I have a few years left in me :P
 
wtf???
a dog-rabbit???
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Everyone is talking about this "c++" thing and i must have heard it somewhere but i can't quite figure out what it is ...
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Fortunately, such moments are really rare.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion PS-rabbit. Put a cat's tail on it, and there's your next avatar.
 
9:55 PM
@TonyTheLion It's called: 16yo kid bored at home with a pirated version of Photoshop.
 
@thecoshman I held off while being seriously work addict. I got my first one at 30. Sometimes I do regret waiting, because I'm pretty sure I have less energy than 10 years before.
 
@sbi Yes -- nonexistent, so far for me (thankfully). Then again, my oldest is only about to turn 10, so I guess there's more than enough time still...
 
Nothing I regret though. Me and my wife gave it plenty of thought and that pays.
 
@sehe I know what your getting at there
my SO is few years older then me, and she is not too keen on the idea of having kids post 30
 
sbi
@sehe I can attest to the energy suspicion. I got my kids spread out over more than a decade, and it was so much harder with the last one than it was with the first.
 
9:57 PM
@thecoshman So another strategy might have been: don't get work addicted in the first place. Get a life instead.
 
I am also painfully aware that right now, and for the next few years, not really in a position to look after kids
 
One life is enough trouble. I don't need another.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes don't upgrade then
oh man, I was looking forward to this coffee, but let it get too cold
 
@thecoshman My SO is (and always has been :)) 3 years older. Needless to say, we held the traditional roles in the family planning
 
@thecoshman sometimes the update is forced on you ;)
 
9:58 PM
@ScarletAmaranth oh god, don't want another one of those scares!
 
@sbi Yup -- I can attest that a newborn when you're 45 is very tiring (though not enough to give me any regrets yet, anyway).
 
@thecoshman Joys of life ^^
 
sbi
I thought all this, too, once. Over the years, that changed. Despite all the bad times we went through, I still appreciate that my first wife never rushed me, even though she wanted kids years before me. Instead, she waited until I felt it, too. That was very good. I really wanted that first kid, and put a lot of effort into it.
 
@ScarletAmaranth it has to do with one's own behaviour, always, too
 
@sbi lol
 
9:59 PM
If my computer ever forces me to update, I'm going to throw away that computer. I AM THE FUCKING BOSS, not the computer.
 

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