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Ell
10:00 PM
I used to pirate stuff, but then I went clean and now my only pirated thing is a copy of RPG Maker VX
@ScottW rpg maker? or pirated stuff? :L
 
@sbi since you helped Ell out :P there are so many mentally questionable dudes here :) therapy for everyone :P
 
Ell
@ScottW actually, I only use it to practise writing ruby :L
 
@sbi Probably true. My father actually works as a local magistrate and always frowned on the piracy of his children.
 
The only things I pirate is overpriced stuff. Music, Windows 7, Norton AV source codeā€¦
 
but he couldn't prevent it even if he wanted to
 
sbi
 
@daknokt: I don't think Norton AV source code is worth that much.
 
Ell
@sbi woaah you have a blog?
 
sbi
:2978768 Damn, I keep getting this wrong.
 
@Ell: Everyone and their mother has blogs nowadays*
 
@In silicio even if it's free, it'd still be overpriced.
 
10:02 PM
@sbi You wrote "privacy" yet again?
 
Ell
@Insilico I tried to start one, but had nothing to say :P
 
lol
 
*not meant to be taken literally
:-)
 
@DeadMG Oh, so he loves you.
 
I fully agree
 
10:03 PM
The bar to entry with blogs is practically nonexistent
 
I think that fundamentally, there's no hard evidence that piracy is a harmful practice.
those that have embraced it do just fine for themselves
 
@Insilico it is if you're the one selling it :P
 
Interestingly the draconian DRM schemes that every publisher seems to want is probably going to bring on a digital dark age
Because then it becomes damn near impossible to archive or recover stuff
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Why do you ask that? You are the robot here, and you have fucking memorized how to get to a message's history from it's damn ID. What have we come to here, that even robots get rhetoric?
 
When the technology goes obsolete (which it will).
 
10:06 PM
Fuck DRM.
 
There's a reason why PDF/A prohibits encryption
 
sbi
@Ell I wrote that only yesterday (but can't find it now; sigh): You need to look at the very first posting there to see why I created that in the first place. And that short essay on piracy is only my third post.
 
Any diablo fans here ?
 
sbi
@Insilico The main reason it does so is that "A" stands for "archiving", and one of the goals of PDF/A was to get a standard that is reasonably clear and simple enough to be easily implemented even a few decades down the road. They wanted the ultimate archiving format, and that implies easy retrieval. Encryption has the opposite goal.
 
What's the word used to describe the word like "user," "reader", "audience"?
 
sbi
10:09 PM
@angryInsomniac I used to play it for nights on end with a former girlfriend. I have a fond spot in my heart for those times.
@KianMayne Uh, "user"?
 
@sbi: Right. And since DRM involves encryption, DRM has the opposite goal of archiving as well (or at least they are at odds).
 
@sbi But an audience isn't a user
 
@sbi Great game :) all this DRM made me think of it , did you hear about the always online DRM in 3 ?
 
sbi
@Insilico Actually, DRM isn't as odds with archiving so much as with retrieving. :)
@KianMayne Describe a use case where that is not the case. (It's not that I don't believe there is one. I just can't think of any.)
 
@sbi: Archives aren't very useful if you can't retrieve them. :-)
 
sbi
10:12 PM
@angryInsomniac D3 is the second sequel. I have learned to avoid those a while ago. :) Also, I play very little nowadays.
 
Kind of like how people backup everything but don't bother to test their restore strategy
 
sbi
@Insilico Yeah, I forgot to add that smiley.
 
@sbi really ? you wont play 3 ? its been such a long time coming !
 
Ell
its getting late... I need to sleep! thank you @sbi and @angryinsomn and all for listening to my depressing moaning :L
 
sbi
> Nobody wants backup. Everybody wants restore.
@Ell Feel free to drop in again and tell us how you fare!
 
10:13 PM
A sophomore slump or sophomore jinx refers to an instance in which a second, or , effort fails to live up to the standards of the first effort. It is commonly used to refer to the apathy of students (second year of college or university) the performance of athletes (second season of play), singers/bands (sophomore album), television shows (second seasons) and movies (sequels/prequels). In the United Kingdom, the "sophomore slump" is more commonly referred to as "second year blues", particularly when describing second-year university students. See also *Regression toward the mean *Second...
Oops.
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac Shrug. I wasn't so much saying I don't play D3, as I'm not playing much at all, anymore.
 
@sbi oh ... getting old and all ? :)
;) kidding
 
@RMartinhoFernandes: Technically I was never a freshman in my university. :-P
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, the second system syndrome. I read that in The Mythical Man Month. A painful read, but interesting from a historical POV.
 
It seems to me that the second system syndrome is almost inevitable
 
sbi
10:16 PM
@angryInsomniac I don't think it's that. It's probably just a phase, and will pass by, and I will play again. But right now, playing computer games just doesn't seem appealing enough to me.
 
@sbi I would hope so ... coz games are freaking awesome :D
 
Since manager types seems to always want more "value-added" stuff
 
sbi
@Insilico Oh yeah, Brooks was right about that as he was about a few other things.
 
@angryInsomniac: I would play some games if more companies actually made good PC ports
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac Games are a lot less awesome than real life.
 
10:18 PM
@sbi: Real life is the ultime real time strategy game
 
@Insilico seriously , I dont get why they are ignoring the PC !
 
Life is about as real time as you get
But it's painfully hard to level up
But the graphics are amazing
 
sbi
@Insilico Yeah, and there's no going back to some earlier save. :(
 
@sbi I would tend to disagree , life has its charms ... but awesomeness is contained in the virtual world :P
primarily because of Quickload :D
 
@sbi We're working on it.
 
10:20 PM
@angryInsomniac: It seems to me that people making PC ports completely forget this thing called THE KEYBOARD and THE MOUSE.
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac Ha! When you last fell in sove with an awesome girl, what did you think about at night ā€” achieving the next level in your game, or spend the night with her? See, I told you. :)
 
@sbi: What if spending the night with her is the next level? :-P
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes As all over-ambitious projecst, it will eventually fail.
 
@Insilico seriously, I dont understand how anyone can use the thumbstick as an FPS controller ?
 
sbi
@ScottW I take then it you have no kids?
@Insilico That was my very argument.
 
10:21 PM
@sbi I thought of playing co-op with her .. all night long :D
and the sex ... lots and lots of sex :)
 
sbi
@ScottW That backfired badly, huh?
 
@ScottW You were kidding, but you don't have kids.
Interesting.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's like my argument for why portable hard drives are far superior to cloud storage services
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac If you play games all night long, there's little time left for having lots of sex. (Been there, had to decide.)
 
I can pay a montly fee for a few gigs of storage and slow downloads
 
10:23 PM
@sbi sex breaks would be awesome :)
 
or I can pay a one time fee for a portable hard drive with 1 TB with amazing download speeds
and it works even in places without Internet connections!
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes "No monthly fee"?? What moron wrote this? Probably a kid who has everything paid for by his parents.
 
@sbi That's an in-game resource.
You don't have to pay to take part in the game.
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac You got your priorities awfully wrong.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes So it's like Farmville?
 
sbi
10:25 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes But you do! As soon as you stop paying, you're out of the game.
 
@sbi: So the homeless people aren't actually players in the game?
 
@sbi troll successful :P
 
sbi
@Insilico Have you considered asking them whether they feel like they're still participating in the same game as you do?
 
@sbi They are, but they suck.
 
sbi
Woah! It's late. I need to hit the sack real hard now! Good night folks!
 
10:27 PM
@sbi That's a strategic concern.
 
@sbi: Nite
 
Late here too :) Good night folks
 
@Ell This has got to be the weirdest side note I've seen in ages
 
10:44 PM
I need to stop reading Ars Technica
The site depresses me and/or makes me even more misanthropic than I already am
 
@Ell The good news is that you can just wait until you do believe it. However, most often, deep down you already know that you at least need to talk about it to people who 'know stuff' - just forget about that being called professional help
 
"But I'm not crazy!"
 
:2979088 hooked...
@ScottW don't mock me
 
What?
Why didn't that plink me?
 
in benford's old "timescape" book a connection back in time set up an oscillation of reality, i can't remember if it ever converged
 
10:56 PM
anyone understand nontransitive dice? lol
 
they're quantum
 
but i think the most perplexing such story was heinlein's, about a man who repeatedly met himself without recognizing himself, and then forced by circumstance to say exactly those things to himself which he had decided to not say in order to break the loop
 
@daknok_t Ok, I feel naive, and I probably know the site, but, what is /b/? I can't really work it out and it isn't a google friendly phrase
 
all you zombies?
the one i remember from heinlein was about a dude who kept timejumping and wound up being his own mother/father/son/daughter/bartender/time traveler/etc
or something like that
 
11:00 PM
@sehe /b/ is 4chan's "random" board, aka the Internet trash can.
 
@DeadMG Yeah, when I was 10/11 I went to people's houses to use an IBM XT computer, carrying my 5 floppy disks. When I was 12/13 we got our first PC and it went in my bedroom (YAY), though (a) it was a 12Mhz 286AT, and (b) there was no such thing as internet nor a phone line. :)
 
lol
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Thx for filling me. I hear it was all the rage, but not so much anymore?
 
"By His Bootstraps" is a science fiction short story by Robert A. Heinlein that plays with some of the inherent paradoxes that would be caused by time travel. It was originally published in the October 1941 issue of Astounding Science Fiction under the pen name Anson MacDonald. It was reprinted in Heinlein's 1959 collection, The Menace From Earth and in several subsequent anthologies , and is now available in at least two audio editions. Under the title "The Time Gate", it was also included in a 1958 Crest paperback anthology, "Race to the Stars". Plot summary Bob Wilson locks himself...
i think
 
@sbi powerful stuff. Mirrors my initial response, though
 
11:02 PM
"ā€”All You Zombiesā€”" is a science fiction short story by Robert A. Heinlein. It was written in one day, July 11, 1958, and first published in the March 1959 issue of Fantasy and Science Fiction magazine after being rejected by Playboy. The story involves a number of paradoxes caused by time travel. In 1980, it was nominated for the Balrog Award for short fiction. "'ā€”All You Zombiesā€”'" further develops themes explored by the author in a previous work: "By His Bootstraps", published some 18 years earlier. Some of the same elements also appear later in The Cat Who Walks Through Walls ...
 
@sehe It's... Well, all kinds of junk end up there (and I don't mean "junk" in the sense of "things", but actually in the sense of "undesired thing or substance")
 
@DeadMG I suddenly remember now that I ran into a special version of Tetris (porntris) back then. I'm quite sure I copied that onto a floppy disk, so that would have been my contraband then. Don't remember playing it much, since, well the animation was always the same, as is the game itself. Boring
 
lol
 
What?
Rule 34 at its best.
 
"The piracy of his children" -- I'd very much frown on the piracy of my children too. I don't want anyone even contemplating pirating my small ones! Is that clear?
Good.
 
11:11 PM
Sweet, there's a new Prometheus trailer.
 
@DeadMG Rather a onesided argument, think-you-not?
 
you're pointlessly twisting my words
everyone at the time had no problem understanding what I wrote
 
@sehe I think he meant "those authors who have embraced it"
 
Oh, that was totally clear.
To everyone.
Obviously
 
11:13 PM
But hey, I'm the robot, I lack human intuition.
 
@DeadMG ok, you phrased it in the usual manner (blunt and not very nuanced), but I guess that makes me believe that you actually meant something more like what the robot suggested.
 
@sehe What, I phrased it in my usual blunt manner, so you think I actually had some super-subtle meaning?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes lovely observation
@DeadMG No - .... so I suppose you actually meant something quite the opposite of what you actually wrote.
 
I don't see how
unless you think that Neil Gaiman did not take advantage of piracy
 
@DeadMG oh. my. god. Why do you insist on me getting you wrong? I'm fully giving you the benefit of the doubt bad phrasing. That doesn't mean I can't still think it was (impressively) bad phrasing.
 
11:26 PM
probably because everyone else got it just fine
 
@DeadMG Proof first, please
 
well, the robot got it, and nobody else seems to still be here, so that's all the proof that's possible to offer :P
 
What a petty fight.
 
@DeadMG Also, it doesn't make any sense that "because everyone else got it just fine", I must have reached the wrong conclusion?
@RMartinhoFernandes Lovely, innit
 
eh
natural languages aren't like computer languages
the only correct decision is, realistically, what the audience understands
 
11:28 PM
I initially reached the wrong conclusion, then the helpful robot explained what you probably meant, and I agreed it must be probably what you meant.
 
So, it's over.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Who's fighting?
 
@DeadMG You are :) You don't accept my pointing out the ambiguity in your statement. Not even to the extent that it takes multiple times to explain to you that I do in fact understand what you said. Go figure. (Don't go and criticize my reading comprehension just yet, then)
 
really? I always thought that fighting necessarily entailed paying a certain amount of attention
 
Am not! Are too! Am not! Are too!
 
11:32 PM
@DeadMG What on earth gave you that idea
 
what's the difference between a fight and a (quite possibly pointless) debate? only the violence/logical fallacies/emotional charge/etc of the participants
 
So, this was a onesided fight. Brilliant
 
what, between you and yourself?
 
Anyways, I got to terminate another one Cat5e cable before I go to bed. Not my hobby, so I better get cracking
 
man, my commit messages are terrible
what changed in this commit? "Added more content."
 
11:35 PM
Sounds normal.
 
@DeadMG there appears to be a stray 'commit' in that line
 
"Updated many pages". "Fixed many bugs".
 
@DeadMG The perfect commit message doesn't exist. Greppable changesets FTW
@DeadMG Sounds like you could/should be doing smaller commits.
 
Does anyone know what the behaviour of DefWindowProc is to a WM_USER message it doesn't know about? That is, what it's return value is
MSDN doesn't specify
 
and the actual important changes I made aren't even listed, like fixing the depth buffer or implementing the proper camera
or re-wiring some of the interfaces
 
11:36 PM
@DeadMG You can put more than one line...
 
@sehe Yeah. Source control is not really currently in my habit set, so I commit whenever I remember to commit :P
 
@SethCarnegie it returns undefined return value
 
@Abyx are you sure? Where do you get that
 
oh, yeah
is there any way I can ask Tortoise to automatically add new files and remove deleted ones?
for me, the folder is the repo, and I don't want to manually remove or add new files any more than I manually remove or add spaces in each file
 
Yup, that could be improved then. Now, with Git you _could_ actually rebase these commits and retroactively improve the comments.
In practice that will be very painful though. It is way easier to squash commits that should be grouped after the fact, than to separate out changes that got lumped together.
 
11:38 PM
@SethCarnegie why do you care about this? DefWindowProc doesn't handle WM_USER
 
@DeadMG Dunno. There's -A in the command line.
 
@Abyx I want to know the behaviour of a window if I send it some random message that DefWindowProc won't handle, what the return value of SendMessage will be
 
yeah, Tortoise doesn't have a setting for it
oh well, now that I actually know how to use that interface it's not that big a deal
 
@DeadMG Well, if it's that bad, you could just put it into your boot scripts. Or attach a macro to any email activity. Or just commit every 5 minutes.
@RMartinhoFernandes that's git, I think? Does Hg have it too
 
heeeey, wait a minute
how come my repo is suddenly 50MB?
 
11:41 PM
@sehe Git's is -a
@sehe There's the histedit plugin to mimic git rebase --interactive in hg.
@DeadMG Nasty IntelliSense database sneaked in?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes git add -A for 'also pick up deletions'
 
@SethCarnegie I believe it can be either anything or zero. It depends on what DefWindowProc returns on default: branch.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Precompiled header?
I don't even use precompiled headers
probably from when I was using VS11
 
@Abyx ok, anything or zero, that's helpful
 
11:42 PM
and ... isn't that in my .hgignore?
 
How can I know?
 
ahah
VS2010 marks them as .pch, and vNext marks them as .ipch
so whilst I've got .pch on .hgignore, then .ipch isn't
now I need to retroactively delete it from all past revisions
 
@SethCarnegie SendMessage returns what message handler returns. If there was no message handler, it returns undefined value, IMO.
 
See, that's why automatically adding stuff is not a fantastic idea.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Wish me luck in doing that 568B connector. If this one doesn't work, it means I have 30 meters of worthless Cat5e running through my house, including the crawlspace under the house. Not a fun job to replace - again
 
11:44 PM
yeah
I do believe I do see
now how to strip it out...
 
@DeadMG yummy
 
I don't know how easy that is with hg.
@sehe Ok, good luck. But that was totally random, btw.
 
I did it before with an Intellisense database, I think
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Like always, I'd know how to do this in git blind. Hg... you know, it has the 'simpler interface' (which mostly boils down to there is stuff you can't do)
@DeadMG But did you do it immediatelt after the commit that introduced it, or after it having gone for a few commits...
 
@sehe I probably wouldn't even manage to commit with Git
 
11:46 PM
@sehe You can. But it's in an extension somewhere (possibly the aforementioned histedit).
 
@DeadMG I believe you
 
Hg is in general very averse to deleting stuff.
 
@sehe Like, three commits :P
ok
 
Rightly so. I'm averse to deleting stuff too.
But I know how to make backups, know what not to edit and I love making my own mistakes.
 
apparently, it is possible to simply somewhat-clone the repo but with the other file not included
 
11:48 PM
Great badge to have: -.- Tumbleweed - Asked a question with no votes, no answers, no comments, and low views for a week.
 
@Abyx it appears to return 0 on unhandled messages
 
@KianMayne I got that one and an answer later :P
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Lucky
 
@KianMayne Had to post a bounty.
 
I can't be bothered
I only got one answer when I posted to programmers as well?!
 
11:49 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes It's ok to have Tumbleweed with >100 badges. It's a bit painful to have Tumbleweed at 14 badges, maybe
 
Woo, I'm almost at 200.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Thank you so much. I'm going to face them nasty wires. Again.
@KianMayne @KianMayne may I suggest adding the tag of your language (I assume it would be C#?) to the question? That will give it a 1000x bigger audience. I doubt many WPF developers would consider themselves WPF developers (they'd be following the C# tag, though)
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Q: Minimal Images & XAML-Defined shapes?

Kian MayneIs it good practise to build my UI with minimal images and define things like shapes/paths etc in the XAML? If so, what are the advantages of this approach and/or other approaches?

 

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