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7:00 AM
So what would 'a' be everywhere else besides possibly 129 on a very rare scale? Actually curious about this.
 
'a' is the ascii value 97, but it may not be the integer value
 
@Pubby wat
 
pointless pedantry
 
That's a vague 'is'.
 
You're the one who said 'is' first!
> Comment, hardcode. I don't care for the original program -- it's dishonest to mislead beginners to think that 'a' is the ASCII value 97 however.
Disregard my comment :)
 
7:03 AM
Shun the copula!
 
I'm still confused, so what would it be other than 97 and rarely 129?
Already googled. Only thing I got is ASCII = 97, UTF-8 = 97, and ASCII = 97 while EBCDIC = 129
 
JIS X 0208 is a 2-byte character set specified as a Japanese Industrial Standard, containing 6879 graphic characters suitable for writing text, place names, personal names, and so forth in the Japanese language. The official title of the current standard is . It was originally established as JIS C 6226 in 1978, and has been revised in 1983, 1990, and 1997. Scope of use and compatibility The character set JIS X 0208 establishes is primarily for the purpose of between data processing systems and the devices connected to them, or mutually between data communication systems. This character ...
Maybe?
 
Can char be that 16 bit encoding?
 
Wot?
 
The one that is like utf16 except always 16 bits
Microsoft uses it
 
7:06 AM
You want the (narrow) execution encoding to be UCS-2 and CHAR_BIT to be at least 16?
 
Okay, so I guess I learned what kind of encoding I use.
 
@LucDanton I guess so
 
I can't think of anything that could prevent this.
 
Sane implementors could prevent it
 
Yeah, UTF-32 and CHAR_BIT == 32 is much saner!
 
7:09 AM
CHAR_BIT = 18 is better apparently
The guy who made FORTH prefers 18 bits
> The Sex Lives of Conjoined Twins
Link bait is getting desperate
 
+_+
 
7:29 AM
With 03 style TMP containers, does the way to do push_back involve several specializations of the container?
Or is there a technique which is better?
 
7:55 AM
I have code that's compiling with g++ using MingW and Netbeans on Windows, but not when I use g++ on a linux box through a terminal
 
i only know C++, i can't stand for my poor programming skill.
 
I asked a question about it, but people got on my case about a silly typo in the question itself, and second-guessed that I wasn't actually transfering the right files to the server before compiling (I was)
I'm here on the off chance that somebody might help, though I understand most of the world is in bed
so with that, here's a link to my problem:
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Q: g++ broken? Cannot add new methods to class

Alex JohnsonI am creating a symbol table class to be used with an analyzer/parser I've written for a compilers course. Everything has been going well so far, but I cannot get these class files to compile on my school's Linux machines using g++: SymbolTable.h: // Multiple definition guard #ifndef SYMBOLTA...

and now I'll go cry in a corner...
 
If you link it here all they're gonna do is downvote it.
 
@AlexJohnson Maybe it's related to the encoding of the file?
 
Greetings! What time is it for most of you? 9-10 AM?
 
8:04 AM
4:03 AM
Speaking of which, good night.
 
4:04 PM
 
@Triumphant Somewhere in Russia?
@Rapptz Night
 
08:04. Good moaning..
 
@AlexJohnson You there?
 
yes
it's not the encoding of the file
I've tried switching over the line endings
at the moment I'm looking into the g++ version number on the server
g++ (GCC) 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-52)
Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
 
8:10 AM
@AlexJohnson I copied your posted sources and it compiles fine on my system.
 
I believe this is outdated and there is, in fact, a bug in this version of g++
 
4.1.2 is outdated
Get 4.7 or 4.6
 
the code also compiles fine in a visual studio solution, and also on Netbeans with MingW (which I believe is using some version of g++)
it's not my server though, and my assignments have to compile there
I guess I have to write a report to my professor proving the old software version is causing my code to break, lol
 
You can't update it?
 
nope
 
8:14 AM
@AlexJohnson Try changing void SymbolTable::displayScope(Symbol* displaySymbol) to (in the cpp):
void SymbolTable::displayScope(SymbolTable::Symbol* displaySymbol)
Dunno if that will do anything
 
@Chimera no, i'm in China
 
@Triumphant Ah ok :-)
 
no lucky Pubby, but thanks for the idea
also, looks like I've got g++ 4.7 for MingW
all but convinced this is a version issue now
 
mornin'
 
morning
 
8:31 AM
morning
 
Woah, that storm about to hit East Coast US is scary
 
Anybody here know at what CPU speed it makes more sense ( in general ) to do floating point math in the CPU instead of a GPU ( such as a recent NVidia card )? Or is any relatively new NVidia GPU going to just be faster at floating point math?
@TonyTheLion It could be a good storm. I'm on the other end of the continent though.
 
The CPU normally has a dedicated FPU which is designed for doing FP math. However, I guess it depends on what you're trying to do that will decide whether GPU or CPU is better.
 
Write a real quick mandelbrot set generator. I've done this many times in the past, but I want to revisit the topic.
The Mandelbrot set is a mathematical set of points whose boundary is a distinctive and easily recognizable two-dimensional fractal shape. The set is closely related to Julia sets (which include similarly complex shapes), and is named after the mathematician Benoît Mandelbrot, who studied and popularized it. Images of the Mandelbrot set are made by taking numbers on the complex plane, calculating whether it tends to infinity when the formula is iterated on the number, then using the number as X and Y coordinates in the picture and coloring the pixel depending on whether it tends to in...
 
This may give you some interesting perspective.
 
8:35 AM
I know fractals are so 80's now, but still I enjoy them.
@TonyTheLion Ah yes, perfect thanks.
 
^Palindrome number in c
working with three digits but not working with more than 3 digits
:/
87678 is a palindrom
ok 4554 and 1221 are fine :P
 
@DextOr your algorithm is never going to work on odd number of digits.
 
oh why :?
 
@DextOr for me this returns the correct result
 
8:41 AM
Now that I think about it I don't know. :-) I'm re-thinking.
I may have just have just misspoken.
 
@TonyTheLion not wrkng with 87678
 
@DextOr what about 123321?
 
^ not wrkng with 123321
lolz 112233332211 is wrkng fine :D
 
@DextOr I'm thinking you have UB somewhere
because for me it seems to be working...
 
UB ?
 
8:45 AM
Undefined Behavior
which means the results will be unpredictable and unreliable
 
@TonyTheLion I think you are right ... its wrking fine here codepad.org/9CDRk2Mw
 
@DextOr problem is that I don't see any UB, but I'm no expert on C.
you could start by initializing all your int to 0
before using any of them
 
ok I try
 
Initializing your variables to 0 makes it work.
I tested it.
 
Write a program to print ^^^^^^
+_O
I know 2 for loops are required but how ?
 
8:54 AM
@DextOr printf(" 1 \n 2 1 2 \n ...
 
:D
 
Although you do initialize all your variables before they are used ( except for n ) which is "set" by scanf(). So I'm not sure why initializing them to 0 makes the program work.
 
I'm guessing something with scanf and using uninitialized variables, though not sure
anyways, reading from an uninitialized variable is UB
 
That makes sense since the codepad version doesn't use scanf()
 
9:00 AM
Which, in itself, makes slightly less sense
Apples-and-pears-wise
 
I never would have thought scanf() would behave like that on an unitialized variable. It's writing to the variable, not reading
 
@sehe I'm struggling to make sense of it too, but I have no other explanation at this moment
then again, I'm no C expert by a long shot
 
Clearly, it has to do with the implementation of scanf().
 
Actually that would make a good question on Stack Overflow
@DextOr ^
 
But then again, setting only n to 0 first and the program fails. Hmmmm
I'd love to know what is wrong.
 
9:04 AM
 
I think I will.
 
Guys try to solve my image problem above ... please ....
 
Never heard of it.
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Q: Code only works if all variables are set to 0 first. UB?

ChimeraThis code, fails randomly by correctly identifying some numeric palindromes and failing on others. #include <stdio.h> int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int n, reverse = 0, temp; printf("Enter a number to check if it is a palindrome or not\n"); scanf("%d",&n); temp = n;...

 
@Chimera too localized. just use a debugger to debug it
 
9:16 AM
@Abyx that's what we did.
we couldn't find the issue
 
huh? just step over every line and find where it doesn't work
 
did that, I didn't see anything wrong, besides those uninitialized values
at the beginning
 
@Abyx The question is "what is the UB" if the variables are initialized. Nothing we did made sense.
 
ok... write a sscce
 
@Chimera add the inputs you tested with and the output to the question, may help
 
9:21 AM
Hey guys, got an english question... You mind if I ask?
 
meh... that code works without printf
 
@EricGagnon why don't you just ask it
if someone can answer it they might and otherwise you should go ask on English.se
 
Can you say "it made me forget how important you are"
 
yes
I don't see anything wrong with it
 
so it's not were?
English is my second language :S
 
9:22 AM
depends on if you are referring to NOW or the PAST
 
@TonyTheLion edited.
 
@Chimera cool
 
makes sense
thanks
 
jrn@Ubuntu10_10:~$ ./a.out
Enter a number to check if it is a palindrome or not
87678
scanf good
n = 87678
87678 is not a palindrome number.
So scanf() isn't failing just because n isn't initialized.
 
maybe you should fix your compiler. it works with ideone.
 
9:28 AM
gcc 4.5.2 isn't that old
anybody here try it in Visual Studio?
 
I did just now, it works
 
yep
works in VS2010
 
what does first <= last mean in while( first <= last )
first and last are ints
lesser or equal ?
 
Yes
 
9:43 AM
C programming code for binary search
can anybody make me understand ...what the while loop doing
 
what about the while loop don't you get?
 
wait let me first understand binary search :P
 
hello, is there a way to figure out with templates during compile time if a method has const qualifier?
i.e declared with "const" at the end of its signature
 
@KarimAgha There is no provided trait for it but you can write one yourself. It's somewhat painful.
 
9:52 AM
@KarimAgha why not just do remove_cv instead?
or remove_const
 
@LucDanton could you please give me keywords to search for? because I believe techniques like SFINALE could be used if a member exists
 
if that's why you're checking for it's existence
 
but I'm not sure how to use it for const cv qualifiers
 
cv = const, volatile
const cv makes no sense
 
no, I'm checking for const for different reason, not to remove that constness
 
9:53 AM
ah
 
I'm picking a type that handles something basing on method constness
 
@KarimAgha Checking for existence is a different problem. Which is it?
 
yeah, what I meant is that I'm not sure where to begin looking for it.
@TonyTheLion are you sure that this type_trait works for member references?
 
There's is no keyword to search for. The technique is partial specialization.
 
9:56 AM
@KarimAgha I don't know, I've never used it
 
@KarimAgha If won't work for member functions. What do member references have to do with anything?
 
also, another question (this might actually answer my previous question): ideone.com/qMepSm , here I have a small helper template that given an input type, an output type and a method will generate a type that could store a member reference.
What is the syntax for member references that are const?
 
What is it with you and 'member references'? What are those?
 
a new invention of OP.
 
not a new invention, these are references to methods within a type; offset of a method in a type
 
9:59 AM
@LucDanton seems like OP is trying to conclude because you have something like a pointer to member, that you can have a reference to member???
 
@KarimAgha Those are pointers to members.
 
@KarimAgha that doesn't exist...
only pointers to members
 
Yes, sorry for using the wrong term. This is exactly what I mean
pointer to member type
 
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That bugged me because 'member reference' is highly ambiguous with 'reference member'.
 
10:00 AM
how to define a pointer to a const member?
 
R (T::*)(A, B) const
 
> How do I start my adventure in this coding world
lol
 
Note that cv-qualifiers of a function type do not qualify the type.
 
@LucDanton, thanks!
 
std::add_const<R (T::*)(A, B) const>::type is R (T::*const)(A, B) const much like AddConst<int*> is int* const.
Two kinds of cv-qualifiers at play here.
 
10:02 AM
now.. this works, but now given a method, is there a way to find if it is const or not?
because in SFINALE (i think) you can use only name-based lookups
 
Yes. A partial specialization may match on those cv-qualifiers.
 
correct me if i'm wrong please
 
And forget about SFINAE and names. Completely irrelevant.
 
sbi
Hi, I got a question.
I have here std::tr1::function from C++03. Am I allowed to assign NULL to it?
It seems C++11 has an overload of operator=() taking a null_ptr_type. I assume that this indicates I can.
 
The Boost docs don't list such an operator, and they don't list that as an incompatibility with TR1. I don't have TR1 on hand.
Is calling clear() an option?
 
sbi
10:10 AM
@LucDanton What clear()? According to this, there is none.
 
Yeah but that's C++11.
 
@LucDanton I'm trying to do that with template specialization, but I'm having trouble finding what to specialize on. could you please point me to an example of what you're recommending?
 
sbi
@LucDanton error: 'struct std::tr1::function<void ()()>' has no member named 'clear'
 
@sbi IIRC, you can assign 0 to it, in VC++9
 
@KarimAgha Match R (T::*)(A...) const. If no variadic templates, fix the number of arguments.
@sbi Doesn't work on my implementation either. Sorry, I don't have a resource for TR1.
 
10:12 AM
ok, thanks - I'll try it now.
 
Assigning from a default constructed std::function will work though.
 
aw, too slow
 
sbi
@LucDanton Ah, right. So simple, yet I forgot. Thanks!
 
Keeping in mind function is a very specialized tool that you don't need every time etc.
 
sbi
@LucDanton I need it for this:
    class Lock {
    public:
        template<class Resource>
        explicit Lock(Resource& resource)
            : m_release( std::tr1::bind(&Resource::release, std::tr1::ref(resource)) )
            {resource.acquire();}
        ~Lock() {do_release();}
    private:
        // copying is forbidden
        Lock(const Lock&);
        Lock& operator=(const Lock&);

        std::tr1::function<void()>         m_release;
    };
Got a better idea than using std::function for this?
 
10:16 AM
Let me write up an example.
 
sbi
(BTW, I hate that stupid m_... prefix on members. But it's the rule, around here, so I gotta put up with it. Sigh.)
 
Getting rid of the function means writing a functor type to call release (because we can't express the return type of bind), in addition to the type of the lock. It's your call; still interested?
Meh it's been too long since I've written a lock-guard. I'd say go ahead with your design.
 
@sbi you should see the conventions I have to put up with.
it's far worse than a mere m_
 
sbi
@LucDanton I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But before (if) we dive into this: What would be the advantage of not using std::fucntion? Keep in mind this is used to lock mutexes — so any overhead induced by type erasure is likely irrelevant.
 
@sbi function is for substituting heterogeneous functors that conform so a same signature at runtime. If objects will only ever store one functor of one given type, I'm in the habit of writing a factory function and leaving it at that. However you want to restrict copies and I don't remember how that works in C++03.
 
sbi
10:26 AM
@LucDanton Why do I have the feeling you haven*t answered my question? :)
 
I like to cut out the middleman. function is a middleman.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Do you have to? I mean, you can always look for another job, no?
@LucDanton Fine. But what's in there for you doing this?
 
One less middleman? Less entities and all that.
 
@sbi for the next few months I have to, since I'm tied to my flat tenancy agreement, and since I wouldn't my next job to be in this area, I'm kind of stuck with it, unless I want to pay 3 months rent without using the place...
 
You can add on unnecessary elements to a design. I don't think the right question is 'why would you use less elements'.
 
sbi
10:28 AM
@LucDanton I don't understand. You are proposing to replace a facility form the std lib with a bunch of your own functiors and factory functions. There has to be an advantage to this, otherwise I'd call it stupid. (And pardon me French.)
 
@sbi My limitation is that I can't express the return type of bind.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Well, so you have three months to find a better job. Sounds like a plan.
 
I'm not otherwise replacing anything.
 
@sbi basically yes
 
@sbi Urgency is a good motivator :)
 
10:30 AM
I'm trying to read up on past C++03 ScopeGuard articles but it's all boilerplate.
 
sbi
@LucDanton Sigh. See. In my example, there is one std::function. You have for several minutes now vaguely hinted at replacing this with something else that, to me, seems more convoluted, without being able to tell me a single sane reason for doing so. (And cutting out some vaguely referenced "middleman" is not a sane reason.) What am I to make of that?
 
@StackedCrooked Not in my case, I'm tired of having to look for new jobs all the time, and I'm tired of having to deal with bullshit.
 
I find that function objects (where you create a struct that implements operator() ) are very versatile, but the manual labor involved is kinda cumbersome.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Given the times @Tony has been mentioning here that he's on the hunt for a job, it seem to me 3 months isn't necessarily without any urge.
 
std::function is a template, specializations of which involve template constructors and assignment operators, all of which are unconstrained. On the other hand, template<typename Functor> struct foo_type { Functor functor; }; template<typename Functor> foo_type<Functor> make_foo(Functor const& functor) { return { functor }; } involves one and only one template parameter.
 
10:33 AM
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion So I guess it's time to sit down and analyze why you got all those short-time bullshit jobs during the last few years and then go and fiy the underlying problem, no?
 
@sbi oh. I should stop mentioning it then
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I wasn't referring to being annoyed, I was referring to you having spent a lot of time looking for your next job. Given that, 3 months doesn't seem overly long.
 
@sbi oh, but they weren't all bullshit. Maybe I'm too picky
 
^^^^^^write a program to logically print this
 
10:35 AM
@sbi ah yes
 
sbi
@LucDanton So there's one more template parameter involved. So?
 
@DextOr erm. We're not here to do your work for you.
 
I only once landed on a bullshit job and in the end it was still a valuable experience because I learned exactly what it is that I don't want.
 
It's weird. Apparently the C++03 recommendation was in fact to write scope guards with 'move-like' copy constructors. I can't condone that!
 
sbi
@DextOr No, I won't. Now please read the newbie hints (linked to from the right-hand panel), or go away.
 
10:36 AM
@StackedCrooked this
 
@StackedCrooked I'm still learning that, I think. :|
 
@TonyTheLion i am not saying to work for me ... but only tell about logic to use
 
But the third time it's not funny anymore.
 
@sbi Less is better. That's the whole point.
All other things being equal, cut down on entities.
 
@LucDanton Where did you read that? From the C++03 recommendation office or something :)
 
10:37 AM
@DextOr create a matrix and print the numbers in their correct position in the matrix using a nested for loop. Then print matrix on the screen
 
@StackedCrooked Seminal article on Dr. Dobbs by Andrei.
 
using a matrix it should be easy to put it in
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Oh, we all had this, and it's important. But @Tony hasn't said anything here about a satisfying job in three years. That's one string of bullshit jobs, IYAM.
 
thx bye
 
You don't even need a matrix though
 
10:38 AM
@sbi I'm sure I've said something good about one of them? Geesh, if this was the case, than I must be making a bad impression. :(
 
then what to do @kbok
 
@kbok well no, you don't, but I find it easier to use one
 
i think to for loops can do this job well
I am not getting idea on how to use loops
 
sbi
@LucDanton std::function is less (user) code, so it's better. Also, manually calling mutex.acquire() and mutex.release() is less advanced, so it must be even better.
IOW: Sorry, I can't follow you at all. I still haven't understood why not using std::function is supposed to be better. Maybe I'm a bit dense, or maybe you aren't explaining it very well. And maybe it simply isn't.
 
@DextOr Try to work out the separate logics for the value of the number depending of the column, and the fact that it's displayed or not depending on the row and the value. Then just use two nested for loops.
 
sbi
10:40 AM
@TonyTheLion So I guess it's time to sit down and analyze why you got all those short-time jobs you are too picky for during the last few years and then go and fix the underlying problem, no?
@TonyTheLion Maybe you did say something positive, and I forgot. But then why the hell aren't you working there anymore??
 
@sbi I guess. I never really thought of looking at the broader picture.
 
@sbi foo_type maps to your Lock (putting ScopeGard / restricted copy semantics aside) and instead of a template constructor there's a function template factory (make_foo), which is part of the interface of foo_type. There isn't more code.
 
@LucDanton So I've found this example for testing method's constness: ideone.com/eKzWz, but is there a way to have it as a compile-time constant?
 
Same amount of code, one less std::function. Apply Occam's razor.
@KarimAgha The last two times you asked I recommended a partial specialization. That advice hasn't changed.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion But that's what I am saying: Take a step back and look at what happened. Try to identify the patterns. See which ones you like and which ones you don't like. Think how to better establish the former ones, and how to get rid of the latter ones.
 
10:43 AM
@sbi right
 
sbi
@LucDanton But that by itself is not an ideal. (I can also write a doubly linked list on my own. Same amount of code, less std::list. But where's the advantage in that?)
 
@LucDanton I'm trying to figure out the syntax for that partial specialization. I've tried to define the general template with typename and then specialize for "Out Type::*type)(In)" and "Out Type::*type)(In) const", but that syntax is invalid.
the general case cannot be just a "typename reference"
 
@sbi No, foo_type maps to Lock. Not std::function. Regardless of std::function you want to write some Lock type.
You're not reimplementing std::function, are you?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion So why did you get only jobs you either hated or didn't hold onto for whatever other reasons?
 
@TonyTheLion Maybe you should try to look for ways to work by yourself (freelancing, starting a company, making money on the internet, whatever)
 
10:46 AM
Small question about cache that I am not sure.


How many total bits are required:
Cache size 16KB
4-word blocks
32-bit address, 32-bit word
Solution: 147 kbits

how did they work out the solution
Please holla if anyone knows =D
 
sbi
@LucDanton Ah, FFS, you are trying to get me to use Andrei's ScopeGuard? What for? That, IIRC, was ugly without using a macro for it. Why would I put up with a macro, when I can do it in this elegant class?
 
@sbi if I had the answer to that, I'd tell you. The only thing that comes to mind is desperation. The fact of needing a job for the sake of having a job, and not being stringent enough on my own criteria. Also, I guess I listen to other people too much when trying to make a decision on whether I should take a job offer.
 
@sbi No.
10 mins ago, by Luc Danton
It's weird. Apparently the C++03 recommendation was in fact to write scope guards with 'move-like' copy constructors. I can't condone that!
Also no macro is required for a scope guard.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion But three months should be well enough to find a pretty good job — especially when you are willing to relocate even between several European states! So sit down and write on a blank sheet what job you actually one and then get going trying to get hold of that!
 
@sbi ok I will do that. Thanks for the advice
 
sbi
10:50 AM
@LucDanton Then you have now completely lost me. Sorry, I am not trying to be snarky, but I need to get work done, and unless I see a good reason to use B instead of the A I am using now, I don't really see why I should bother trying to understand
@TonyTheLion Um, I meant "what job you actually want", of course. Sorry.
 
lol
I'm sorry this ended up in confusion.
 
sbi
@LucDanton Yeah, I am sorry, too. I apologize if I sounded a bit impatient.
Well, back to work now! See you!
 
@TonyTheLion I have a friend who's looking for a PHP dev if you want :p
 
@LucDanton is this close to what you're recommending: ideone.com/600mWP
?
It's not working yet, but is it in the right direction?
 
No.
 
11:05 AM
:(
 
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ofc :)
 
@KarimAgha Here's a good start.
 
Thank you!
 
11:30 AM
@kbok do you want me to commit suicide? :P
 
Actually and TBH the language/tech doesn't count as much as company culture and responsibility does.
 
@kbok talking to the ape earlier, I realized that half of my criteria is the people.
I want to be able to be social with my coworkers, as well as enjoy actually doing my job
 
If you're looking for a C++ job, chances are that you'll find an old C shop which refused to modernize and chose to compile their old stinky C code with a C++ compiler to do some C with classes and recruit some C++ programmers. That's what we call C/C++
 
lol
true
if the job has interesting challenges, that I don't mind that
as much as if the job is just routine and boring
 
You're better off being the first programmer of a company whose product happened to be written in PHP than working in a C++ shop who doesn't trust you enough to let you use shared_ptr
 
11:36 AM
prolly true
 
Maybe you should go back to London and look for some startup jobs
 
Also London is a great city :) I wish I had that job there back in the time.
 
London is a nice place, but expensive to live though
 
Yeah, that's the suck part :(
Also I heard it's nearly impossible to have a place in the city centre
 
11:47 AM
yea, it's expensive, in the 1000's of pounds a month to rent
which is not something your average dev can afford, maybe if you're in trading or working for a big bank
but otherwise, no
 
@LucDanton, ideone.com/tR7gJC this is how I'm checking now. Is there anything wrong with this approach?
it works so far.
 

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