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6:00 AM
Let's assume I have that: then you can do std::tuple_cat(slice</* 0:j */>(tuple), std::make_tuple(foo, bar), slice</* j: */>(tuple)) to insert two elements at position j.
@nneonneo To give you an idea currently you can specify slice<IndicesFromTo<3, 8>> instead of slice<3, 4, 5...
Well not as such in that the wrong indices are generated currently actually, heh.
 
the name is a bit cumbersome
 
slice<FromTo<i, j, step>>?
 
yeah, that's probably nicer
it reads nicer too
 
I would need to put such a name in a separate namespace though. Would easily conflict.
 
too bad we can't get obj-c like [slice from:n to:m] :P
isn't everything already in your own namespace?
 
6:04 AM
Amusingly enough, I don't recall the details. Due to compiler woes I'm not working with the rest of my library. I'm doing this stuff on the side while the compiler is being fixed, heh.
I do have a tuples namespace apparently.
For algorithms like transform, accumulate IIRC.
 
well, seems like FromTo would be just at home there.
 
Something like slice<From<N>> is going to be intricate though. Ah well.
 
Also, C++ question: I want to actually learn C++ (for reals!) at some point. I've been holding back the last few years because I figured C++0x was going to change things anyway. Is now a good time to learn C++? Are things stable enough, well-supported enough, etc. that I can comfortably learn C++11 and not worry about compatibility?
 
GCC or Clang are definitively very good options for C++11. Speaking as someone that regularly brings GCC to its knees (see aforementioned compiler woes).
When you say 'actually' learn C++, do you have some knowledge already?
 
Greetings
I have a question about file reading
 
6:15 AM
Domains where C++11 implementations will let you down is non-trivial Unicode stuff, and some concurrency features. The latter aren't that useful even on paper though.
Oh and libstdc++ (shipping with GCC) has no support for <regex>.
 
@LucDanton I know C, but I am well aware that doesn't translate into "knowing" C++. I have also done competitive (ACM-style) programming in C++, but that doesn't translate too well into usable software-engineering-quality C++. So, I know the syntax and most of the concepts, but I am not comfortable programming in it.
 
So, I am reading a file by symbol and I am checking for newline (\n), but when I compile it in netbeans using cygwin compiler it also adds to the each line ending carriage return. But in Visual Studio C++ everything is ok. May this can be solved by changing cygwin to, for example, myngw? Or what other solutions there could be?
 
...open the file in text mode.
 
changing ifstream or not? im not that much into c++ :)
 
@nneonneo Okay. In all likeliness the limitations I've mentioned won't matter because there's quite a lot of interesting things to investigate in the meantime -- except if you really want regexps I suppose. Are you looking for some kind of programming in particular?
 
6:18 AM
or just changing second parameter in ifstream::open?
 
@DanielsPitkevičs how are you opening the file now?
 
ifstream infile;
infile.open("marss.in", ifstream::in);
 
Might want to try opening in binary then. That way you will literaly manipulate \n as a character, and not line endings.
 
Yeah, binary would solve that, but why in Visual C++ there is no carriage return at the end of line?
 
Can't help there.
 
6:22 AM
@LucDanton aww, I like regexps :(. I'm not 100% sure what I'd use C++ for, yet. However, I think I want to learn enough of the basic language (+library) so that I can be reasonably useful in it when needed. There's also some Qt projects that I might want to contribute to, for which I would need C++ (but not C++11, then).
 
@LucDanton Ok, thank You
 
@nneonneo I asked because I could recommend not just C++11 but also C++11 with Boost -- some of the libraries really help for some tasks. Some are however obsolete because their features were ported to C++11.
Things like Boost.Range are really neat for data-oriented tasks for instance.
 
morning
 
Yeah, that's also a bit confusing. I have used Boost before (though it was a humongous PITA to get it to play nice with certain versions of MSVC...)
@thecoshman good evening
 
Well you can think of the sexy parts of Boost as the playground where future features of C++ are tested, and the not-so-sexy parts as those things that were made into C++ but are still useful to those stuck with C++03.
 
6:28 AM
mm, interesting
anyway, a lot of the stuff you talked about earlier (e.g. std::tie) is totally new to me, but a lot of it looks marvellously useful
 
Multiple return values is a common, non-esoteric use.
If you're familiar with algebraic data types, there's a boost::variant<T, U, V> that is a sum type also.
 
boost::variant is a lovely little class
combined with some using and you can make for some very cool code for things like windowing options :D
speaking of which, I think for the sake of semantics, I need to add in using std::pair<int, int> resolution and same for position...
 
nice. I'm familiar with union types through undergrad compilers, but it's nice to see it put into practice with boost
 
boost::variant is not quite the same as union
 
There certainly are similarities.
 
6:34 AM
oh sure
union is more... simplistic, shall we say?
 
no, I don't mean C's union
I mean type-theory unions
 
and, AFAIK, if you are passed a object that has a union member, you can't determine what type the union variable actually is
 
Nobody ever means C's union :(
 
C++ has union as well, not sure how it differs, I care not for C
 
C++ union is basically C's union
you can only stick POD in it IIRC
 
6:37 AM
@thecoshman Everybody and their mother tag their union, the same way everybody and their mother bundle the size with their dynamic arrays.
 
....?
 
@nneonneo Changed in C++11. Not that putting e.g. an std::string in a union is usable straight out of the box. Also the notion of a POD type has been refined!
 
ah, yet more things I have to (re)learn :P
this is what I meant by learning C++ :)
 
Don't bother with unions though.
Finicky rules for something you'd never use.
 
@LucDanton yeah, but the union it self requires that extra boiler plate of some other variable to indicate what type the union is
 
6:39 AM
$ grep union include/ src/ -Ri yields no result lol.
 
morning lion
 
@thecoshman The dynamic array itself requires that extra boiler plate of some other variable to indicate what size it is.
 
@LucDanton don't unions always take up the space required for the largest type it can contain?
 
@thecoshman Have you noticed how functions that operate on arrays always take a (pointer, size) pair (in C-land)?
You have to provide, and possibly store, that information separately.
So it is with the tag of a tagged union. Don't put it in the union, duh.
 
good to know. I will therefore continue to not use unions in my C++ code :)
@ScottW :gasp:
 
6:44 AM
@LucDanton yeah, I know that about arrays
@ScottW I used them before I discovered boost::variant :D
 
I use unions in C programming occasionally. They are handy for doing evil things to floats.
 
@nneonneo That's super bad!
 
@LucDanton It's evil for a reason!
@ScottW I am a myth. :o
 
There are so-called FP classification functions!
 
I think C is mostly used for embedded stuff these days. Though even that is starting to change I believe. Other then that, I am sure their are a fair few legacy systems being supported in C as it is no worth a full port to C++
 
6:47 AM
@thecoshman There's also, y'know, Linux.
 
@nneonneo there is... your point?
 
I don't know, it's some communist plot. I figured it had to be written in C.
 
like I said, legacy systems
 
Is it possible that in tree is right element, but is not left element?
Like:
1
/ \
2 4
\
5
 
And again, kernal code is starting to be written with C++
 
6:49 AM
About element 5
 
what on earth are you on about man?
 
Me?
Didnt get the question :D
I have tree
 
then what is it doing here?
 
Can some node have right child without having left?
 
of course it can, if the tree allows it
 
6:51 AM
@thecoshman [citation needed] (just curious)
 
@ScottW Ok, thank You! And with inOrder traversal, if there is no left child, it will get parent and then right, yes?
 
@DanielsPitkevičs: yes.
 
@nneonneo Ok thank You
 
@nneonneo Simple google search brought up a few.
 
@Rapptz: results suggest that someone tried to submit a patch to make the kernel use C++, but was obviously rejected. Any actual evidence of e.g. kernel modules developed in C++?
 
6:56 AM
Hm.
 
there's also the minor issue of "C++ won't make it into the kernel until Linus dies" :P
err, the mainline kernel, in any case
 
I found an operating system written in C++.
Though I can't find much outside of that.
Meh. That was a boring search plastered with why Linus absolutely hates C++.
 
heh
 
I remember dealing with the undergrad OS course's "NachOS" OS, which was coded in C++ (and later ported to Java?)
 
frankly, it doesn't matter one bit what linus likes. it's not like it's impossible to fork linux, if you wanted to add c++ support to it or whatever
 
7:05 AM
It's not impossible, but GPL means you have to provide source if you distribute it
 
What
 
it says the result has to be gpl.
no more, no less.
 
Yeah. You can modify it all you want as long as you use a "similar license"
 
@cHao: yes, and that implies distributing with source
this has given Android developers a bit of grief
 
I don't like the GPL anyway.
Though I do see their philosophy.
 
7:06 AM
@Rapptz: sure, but if you wanted to fork the kernel you'd be legally bound by it
also, as an "old" C hacker, the motivation is clear for me
it's a PITA to deal with bugs in someone else's component, especially if that component is closed source
if it's open source, at least you may be able to tell why it fails (and maybe work around it), or you can outright fix it
if it's closed source, you have to deal with whoever made the software, if they even care about it anymore
 
You can be open source with other types of licenses than the GPL.
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My favourite comic about licenses ^
 
...
 
It's humourous. Sue me :(
 
@Rapptz GPL is the the STD/STI of the open source licencing isn't it
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That's a decent way of putting it.
 
7:20 AM
@Rapptz oh, didn't realise you where 'mercan :P
 
I'm everything.
Though by that I mean I'm very mixed.
They have Microsoft stores? I thought only Apple had these kinds of stores.
 
they've had MS stores for yonks
 
nope
 
7:48 AM
@Rapptz hahahahaa.
 
@Neil A bit hard to read cause it was tiny :(
 
@Rapptz yeah, there are much better versions of that image floating around
 
@LucDanton Cool, how's it going?
 
If someone could bin my latter image
 
7:55 AM
@Rapptz He's screwed.
 
14611 days is about 40 years.
@Mysticial Yeah. He is.
 
Yes, that's why you need the potion.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not too far from finishing a first draft. Haven't written something that long in a while though, so I'll proofread more than once.
 
I've done it twice before.. only bad thing is that you always have to watch out for yourself trying to kill you and take your place
Believe me, there are more alternate universes than you care to imagine
 
1 message moved to bin
 
7:59 AM
@LucDanton You binned the bigger one?
 
The latter one, as requested.
 
Oh. He did say latter.
 
@LucDanton oh you :P
 
@MooingDuck That's a good point that I should probably mention someplace.
 
one rather accepted way of time travel working would result in it being impossible for you to kill your self. Though it is also implying that everything has already been decided to happen, you just have to wait for your conciousness to float along the time line and experience it
 
8:03 AM
Time travel works nub.
 
go on
 
And in the way it works it is not impossible for you to kill yourself.
 
go on
 
Just travel to tomorrow and jump off a bridge.
 
oh I see
happy?
 
8:06 AM
Hilarious: Lance Armstrong bugs (be sure to read the comments)
 
The relevant wiki pages must be updated! But by someone else
 
mornin'
 
@kbok no peer reviewed research? for shame.
 
@kbok Strange how they thought they could label friendship like it were an unambiguous definition
 
8:17 AM
@kbok meh
 
heh, just got a comment on an answer where I mentioned that my C# is a bit rusty, saying that "your C# is very good". That seems like such a natural thing to say if it'd been a human language, but for programming languages it just sounds a bit funny. :)
 
The paradox works in both ways
If time travel were possible, just like you couldn't change the past without altering the future, you can't change the future without altering the past
though in all likelihood, time travel simply isn't possible
 
@Neil yes, but that falls in line with the theory that the time line is mapped out already, and we are simply floating along experiencing it, as if time was flowing
 
@thecoshman No because if you shouldn't be able to modify your past by modifying the future that way
What I meant to say is that you're shaking one end of a long rope, and even though you don't see it, you've changed the position of the entire rope, not just the end since the rope has to meet the end
 
8:29 AM
@Neil ¬_¬ what part of 'already mapped out' don't you get. If I went back in time, I will have already have gone back in time.
 
You can't prove that.
 
@thecoshman I know what you're saying, and I disagree
If time travel were possible, it would have to be already mapped out to avoid a paradox, but I don't think it's possible
You'd be killing some poor schmuck which looks exactly like you in an alternate universe, perhaps, but you wouldn't be killing your past self
 
Hi.
I am having a code design issue. I am missing a type erasure for containers in C++.
 
You are an issue?
 
I wish to have a generic virtual void foo(DestContainerType & dest, SrcContainerType & src); but I cannot use a template because it is a virtual function to be overriden in descendants.
Is there this kind of type erasure class in Boost or anywhere else?
 
8:37 AM
There's boost::any, but it probably won't work for you since it erases everything.
 
Well that would mean I would have to know the actual container type. I want to avoid that.
 
@wilx If you want to override it, you need to use inheritance to get what you want, not templates
Or vice versa, you don't override and you use templates to specify the exact types involved
 
@Neil: You are giving advice to a different problem. :)
IMHO.
 
@wilx Same problem, different take
 
@wilx I think you'll have to roll your own :(
 
8:39 AM
Maybe you could ultimately override a templated method, but is that really what you want?
 
@Neil You can't. The language does not allow it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whoa, good thing I used maybe or I would have shot myself in the foot just then..
 
I wonder if I should make some such thing...
 
It's not that hard to make something for your particular use case.
 
8:41 AM
True. Hmmm. Maybe cook something up and the send it to boost and then become famous!
 
@Neil yes, all of time would be pre-mapped out. And thus you would not able to kill a past version of your self, though you would be able meet up with your self, though you would already know when you go back in time what you will say to your self. And this realisation that no matter what you do, you are going to say exactly what you said to your self all those years ago... oh no, I've gone cross eyed
 
@thecoshman I think that's a paradox, because you could tell yourself something different when you go back in time to prove you could
 
You know, if there are two of you, what happened to conservation laws?
 
You're saying you wouldn't because that's what you'll do, but why wouldn't you do something different?
 
@Neil no you can't. What ever the future you said is exactly what you will say when it is you going back in time
 
8:43 AM
I have always thought that if time travel does exist then it is not possible to travel to the exact same universe as you are but to a different one by tinny little bit, avoiding the paradox.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good point, I'm sure you'd be violating the law of conservation of energy somehow
@thecoshman And this is precisely why time travel is not possible, not because it's already mapped out but because it's a clear and obvious paradox
 
@Neil how? it would simply require an equal amount of energy to travel in the opposite direction.
@Neil where is the paradox? Obviously killing your self is, which is why you can't. Not so much because you can't but because you didn't/don't
 
I like the notion that "if something we can't do is possible, then surely it must conform to all our notions of what is possible". It's cute.
 
@thecoshman Look at it from the non-traveller's perspective. At one point there's a certain amount of mass/energy in the Universe. The next instant some fucker arrives from the future and brings along his own mass and energy, no?
 
@thecoshman To give a stupid example, you setup an anvil to drop on a generator wheel which generates a small amount of electricity in a battery
You go back in time with the same battery, hook it up and have the anvil power it a little more until it's fully charged..
 
8:46 AM
Guys
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes at the same instance the same mass and energy goes to the other point in time to replace that which he took with him
 
@thecoshman haha.
 
@thecoshman Because you'd have to not be able to say something different than your younger self saw you say, but you can say something different than your younger self saw you say
 
Is there a way to format strings that is not as unsafe as printf, and not as ugly as stringstreams ?
 
Boost.Format?
 
8:47 AM
Boost.Format is ugly
 
If you had a portal gun, it would be the same breach of conservation of energy, except you're not getting free kinetic energy by modifying position, you're getting free kinetic energy by modifying time
 
That would be overkill to add a boost sublib for a single func
 
@Neil if you go back in time with a high energy battery, an equal amount of energy will travel forward in time. So whilst the battery might appear to break the laws of conservation, the universe as a hole will not
 
@kbok Well... then I guess no.
 
Hamburgers
 
8:49 AM
@thecoshman Or loss of energy in this case
 
@thecoshman Great, so if time travel is possible, random chunks of the Universe will just flicker back and forth in time.
 
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Q: std::string formatting like sprintf

OckonalI have to format std::string with sprintf and send it into file stream. How can I do this?

 
Do you realize what you're describing simply amounts to full-blown transmutation?
 
Arguing about time travel is pretty silly.
 
If you had to pull energy from the future to offset the difference in entropy in the past from the entire universe, the earth would hit absolute zero in a matter of seconds
@Rapptz I agree, but it kills time while I wait for a meeting
 
8:51 AM
meh
 
mawning
 
What's up?
 
<pun involving something that's up>
 
Isn't the answer supposed to be "The sky" or "The roof"?
 
Ohhh the C code involving global variables querying a database with sprintf-formatted filters and calling business operation in the fetch loop.
 
8:57 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes the sky
:P
 
Ell
Will someone email me a copy of google chrome portable?
potte001@sjcwebmail.com
Please :3
 
@Neil not you can't. the script has already been written. What ever the future you says to the past you is set in stone before you was even you. The encounter was all ready decided
 
@Ell gimme a min.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, energy will. And is it really that hard to believe energy can 'disappear' Black holes are eating energy all the time
 
@thecoshman lol, no, they're not.
 
Ell
9:00 AM
Thanks :)
 
@thecoshman Yet you go back in time and you have the choice to do exactly as you remember your future self having done or doing something different do you not?
 
What platform?
 
Ell
Windows xp
32 bit
 
@Neil nope, you have no choice, just the illusion of choice
 
You say you wouldn't have a choice, but the burden of proof is on you.. why the heck wouldn't you have a choice?
 
9:01 AM
@thecoshman Energy counts as chunks of the Universe. Your car that was travelling down the highway, and all of a sudden, simply because someone decided to bring a cookie from the future, your car stops. Not brakes, but just stops.
 
@Neil because the decisions will have already been made
 
It's self-defining this logic.. You can't do differently because you saw yourself act a certain way - and the fact that you saw yourself act a certain way means you can't do differently..
That, sir, is a paradox
 
Ell
With internet explorer 8 and an overly restrictive filter. i would dl chrome With my phone but the connection isn't reliable enough
Sucky school laptops :L
 
@thecoshman To clarify my argument, suppose you meet your future self, and he hands you an apple. You decide you want to prove you can do different so you go back in time and bring a pear with you.
 
@Neil The time machine will malfunction!
 
9:04 AM
You can't say you won't bring a pear because that hinges on your previous argument.. prove why you can't do otherwise
 
@Ell I sent it, but idk if it'd work.
 
Ell
Kk ta very much :)
 
Good night guys.
 
20 hours ago, by jalf
seems like a lot of effort for a very uncertain and unpredictable outcome. Easier to just sneak a bomb into a subway or something, isn't it?
I'm gone for an evening and I read this ^
dafuq are you guys up to?
 
oh it's the cosh dude trying to work out how to jam the GPS network
turns out you can't
 
9:12 AM
hmmmm
wonder what he's planning?!
why can't you?
 
It's called a struct? — Pubby 5 mins ago
 
Hey, I have a pointer to a map, is there a less sucky way to insert an element than *(map)[x] and map->operator[](x) ?
 
hah
 
@TonyTheLion It's to difficult, technically
Just signed up for @AppDotNet! lol jk I bought groceries for an entire week
^ this guy is funny
 
hey i need a O(1) hash map, any recomendation? the std::map is too slow because i do a lot of finding?
 
9:17 AM
boost::unordered_map
 
i use callgrind find std::map is really slow.
 
If VS only, you can use its grandfather hash_map
 
std::unordered_map
 
Gotta run, I'll be killed for saying this
 
@cainanyang which compiler? If it has reasonable C++11 support, there's std::unordered_map. If it's a bit older, the same class is available in tr1. If that's not an option either, get it from boost
@kbok how about map->insert(...)?
 
9:21 AM
c++11 is not avaiable.
 
tr1 or boost then
 
@jalf That's the less ugly way but you still have to write map->insert(pair<key_type, val_type>(key, val)); which is a bit clumsy, so I just chose std::map<T,U> &my_map = *my_map_ptr;
Having to use a pointer is suck in the first place so hey
 
@kbok map->insert(std::make_pair(key, val))?
but yeah, using a reference is probably nicer :)
 
Huh, make_pair. Stupid me.
Gotta think about it next time :) But I'll keep the reference in the end.
 
@Neil you might think about it, but you don't. You decide to present your past self with the apple no matter what. After all, you saw your self hand you the apple. What ever thoughts your future self had about handing you the apple, you will have and ultimately decide to present your self with an apple
@kbok you seem to believe their is some sort of 'network' their is simple a load of points of references. I was wondering about the practicality of broadcasting your signals that will be picked up by GPS devices and confuse them with false data and thus prevent them from getting a fix on their location. the problem is, whilst technically possible, just not very practicle in terms of terrorism, easier just to be boring and blow up a subway cc @TonyTheLion
 
9:39 AM
oh right
the first would be more fun to toy with though
In the context of network security, a spoofing attack is a situation in which one person or program successfully masquerades as another by falsifying data and thereby gaining an illegitimate advantage. Spoofing and TCP/IP Many of the protocols in the TCP/IP suite do not provide mechanisms for authenticating the source or destination of a message. They are thus vulnerable to spoofing attacks when extra precautions are not taken by applications to verify the identity of the sending or receiving host. IP spoofing and ARP spoofing in particular may be used to leverage man-in-the-middle attac...
 
@TonyTheLion messing with GPS data? that's my thought, so much more original then exploding bombs and what not
 
yes
there's a bit on GPS spoofing in that wiki article
 
indeed
I was originally thinking about the concept of simply rendering GPS data invalid, rather then trying to misguide where targets are.
People here seemed to be fairly confident in ship's captain's ability to navigate with out GPS, but I some how doubt that is the case any more
 
DoS type thing
 
@thecoshman So, basically, it works because it works.
 
9:44 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a thought experiment, @Neil seems determined I provide some sort of physical proof for my theory, yet simply thinking about, you come the conclusion, time travel either works as I described, results in huge amounts of alternate ralities (like in "Back to the Future") or simply cannot be done
 
No, you only come to that conclusion if you restrict yourself to some ways of thinking.
 
perhaps
but I rather not present arguments that rely on faeries
 
who cares about time travel anyways?
 
You're talking about travelling to the past, dude. You're way past faeries.
 
9:47 AM
fairies more to your liking then?
 
@thecoshman er... So you're basically assuming there's no such thing as fairies, and based on this, you make a postulate about what fairies are like if they exist...
 
You're assuming travel to the past with some undisclosed magical time machine and claim you don't want to invoke faeries. Do I really need to make the silliness of this any more obvious?
 
we don't know if time travel is possible. Therefore, our ideas of what is possible and what isn't are kind of irrelevant in determining whether time travel is possible. If time travel is possible, then it follows from the premise that it relies on something that we don't know about.
 
@jalf no, I am postulating what faeries would be like with out getting caught up in details of zombies
 
user1182183
@TonyTheLion yeah we won't notice if we die out of nothing
 
user1182183
9:53 AM
or dissapear
 
@jalf based on our current understanding of the universe, time travel is possible, which points to the more likely situation that we have misunderstood something
 
user1182183
there is a theory that if you meet your anti-matter you, and you touch, you two dissapear in a very bright flash
 
That's not just a theory, dude.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not proven :/
 
@GamErix yeah... but that's just matter and anti-matter, and has been proven, at the very tiny scale
 
9:54 AM
@GamErix Erm.
 
cool. Qt sockets have an "unget" function for, well, putting data you previously read back into read queue
@GamErix er, what is an "anti-matter you"?
 
@jalf How far does it go?
 
CERN (at least) have made anti-matter and let it collide with matter. epic amounts of energy released
 
user1182183
@jalf well you have atoms and anti-atoms, matter (materials) and anti-matter (anti materials)
 
user1182183
lol
 
9:55 AM
@jalf interesting...
 
user1182183
an anything in between well,.. I would like to 'see' it.
 
We know that matter and antimatter goes boom if they come into contact. Whether it applies to a "you" and an "anti-matter you" depends on what the heck an "anti-matter you" is
 
@GamErix I think the question is 'what is an anti-matter you'
 
@GamErix yes, but you, the human being, is made of matter, not antimatter. Piling a lot of antimatter together would not result in an "anti-you"
 
user1182183
@jalf well there is a big line in the universe which splits our universe and anti universe and if you get out of that universe.. booom
 
user1182183
9:56 AM
or not? xD
 
Oh gawd.
What the heck is going on.
 
@GamErix not as far as we know, no
 
if you simply meant a version of me made from anti-matter, I would imagine it might think like me... in which case we would do our best to never come into contact
 
Antimatter is not the same as the existence of a mirror world like you get in cartoons, where all the good guys are suddenly evil
 
@GamErix that's not how it works
 
9:57 AM
Apparently, this is the first year that more people will die of obesity than of undernutrition.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yay? go humans?
 
@thecoshman Well just know that that's a self-defining argument. "God exists because the bible says so." "The bible's word is true because God himself wrote it."
 
Does that mean we solved the famine problem? Go humanity!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what about obese people who are malnourished? Which category do they get counted in when they die?
 
You're welcome to think what you want, but while you think you can't bring a pear back to the past and that you must bring an apple, I say you can't time travel, period.
 
9:58 AM
@Neil indeed, except their is logical thought behind it
 
Sorry, was in a meeting
 
malnourished doesn't necessarily mean you get too little to eat, just that you don't get the right things to eat
which can easily correlate with obesity. :)
 
@jalf Fixed ;P
 
@Neil did I not make it clear I was postulating on the mechanics if it where to work?
 

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