« first day (716 days earlier)      last day (4248 days later) » 

4:00 PM
You pass and continue to round #2
 
Ell
@MartinJames no, why?
 
Why is my blog being weird.... grrrr
 
Ell
because internets
 
The code I'm writing right now is so ugly.
 
Whats it for?
 
4:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus That's because you wrote it
 
I don't have strength to refactor this shit. I want it done and gone.
We're starting next version from scratch, and this codebase is unsalvageable anyway.
 
NO! The topic needs to be about hard drives failure and the rage it brings!!!!
:-)
We need to pay proper respect to my dearly departed data!
 
fire and forget code
 
It's basically Lego programming right now. Just copying and pasting blocks until it starts working.
The second last ticket is accepted, I'm going to print this code out and burn it.
 
We can make marshmallows :D
 
4:06 PM
Or maybe dump it onto old HDD and throw it into acid.
 
@Ell I seem to remember you have three lots of parents after you.
 
Or flash freeze with liquid nitrogen and hammer it to pieces.
 
Or just put it into a 4 Disk RAID0 and wait for the inevitable failure.
 
You suck at RAID.
 
Ell
@MartinJames ohh I see haha, didn't quite click there
 
4:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus He couldn't even down Lucifron.
 
Well, it gave great performance, my failure was not backing the shiet up.
 
@Ell If you hear a click, it may be hammers being cocked..
 
Ell
:O
 
Rule #1: never use RAID0.
 
Ell
is raid0 where it stores half stuff on one disk half on the other?
 
4:08 PM
Yeah, I knew I was playing with fire.
 
Ell
for fast access?
 
RAID0 is striping without any error recovery.
 
@Chimera No flowers by request.
 
It acts like a one huge HDD, but if one piece of the array fails, you lose everything.
It's pretty much useless.
If you want striping, stop being a cheap-ass and use RAID configurations with recovery.
 
@Ell Correct, it's great for performance, but it is dangerous in that it doesn't provide any redundancy. If one disk dies, you lose all data.
 
Ell
4:10 PM
right okay
 
Never use RAID0.
 
@CatPlusPlus Clearly that was a mistake. I was all hyped about performance.
 
Ell
just get an ssd for performance?
 
Sixteen disk RAID5EE
gogo
 
Ell
4:11 PM
A disk has never failed on me
 
There is no reason to use anything other than RAID1 at home.
 
@Prætorian Nail him to the cross!
 
@Ell It will.
Sooner or later.
 
@DeadMG OK, she does move:)
 
Well, my new plan is to buy a new controller card that can support eight SATA3 drives and do a proper raid mode for performance and redundancy.
 
4:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus And it will be your porn drive.
 
@MartinJames That's slowmo for Daisy.
 
@jornak Why would I keep porn? Waste of space.
 
Ell
naww daisy
 
Alright, back. Married. I've been given permission to show a pic of Mrs. Duck, but she has to preview it first and I'm at work again, so I have to wait on that :/
 
@CatPlusPlus Tell that to my 1TB porn drive I can take along on business trips
 
4:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus I think that's a minor exaggeration. It's fine for really high performance, as long as the data is always backed up somewhere. Just for an obvious example, a local cache on a front-end server, where all the data is also on a DB server somewhere.
 
<_<
 
I memorize my porn so it can't be lost.
 
I miss anything in the last four days?
 
I don't go on business trips and I wouldn't care anyway.
 
@MooingDuck Preview.. or photoshop? <g>
 
4:13 PM
@MooingDuck Puppy pictures. Not much else -- been pretty quiet.
 
@MooingDuck RAID0 fail! How was the wedding?
 
@JerryCoffin Well, okay, but that's mostly server/enterprise configurations.
 
Ell
the window licking video is cute :P
 
I wouldn't bother with anything other than RAID1 in home PC.
 
user784668
@Chimera Oh, that's right.
 
4:14 PM
@Chimera I thought it was chaos, but apperently most guests thought it was well done and organized and didn't realize anything went wrong, so that's good
 
The trick is to get everyone drunk in the first 30 minutes.
 
@CatPlusPlus What if you have a serious relationship with your porn?
 
sigh It's been a long weekend.
 
@MooingDuck Well congrats
 
@DeadMG that is a very happy puppy
 
4:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus Dilbert's mom keeps a caching server in her sewing room.
 
@MooingDuck Kind of like undefined behavior, isn't it? :)
 
@CatPlusPlus noooo, we didn't break out the alcohol until the second hour. Though her mom and four others managed to be wasted by then
 
@MooingDuck You suck at this.
 
@CatPlusPlus if the booze was easy to come by, there would be 120% chance of a fistfight, maybe cops
 
@MooingDuck Yep. Notice how as soon as the food is taken out of the bowl, she goes into the hall because she knows we throw it for her.
 
4:16 PM
Is it horrible that im using a doubly linked list to implement a stack? Im explaining algorithms/data structures to people and i don't want to explain a deque
 
Wut. Crazy Americans.
Anyway, grats.
 
@jozefg for explaining, thats fine.
 
user784668
'MURRICANS
 
@jozefg Stack can be done with singly linked list. Just push to and pop from the front.
 
Also if anyone complains about your wedding, you should tell them to fuck off.
 
Ell
4:17 PM
eel soup. my god. why does this exist?
 
Because ye gods.
 
@CatPlusPlus we're less concerned with complaints, and more with her mom knocking mine unconscious.
 
Ell
I'm not talking about the food either
 
@FredOverflow its true but im also ive provided a full implementation of a doubly linked list, im using that
 
Bring jello.
 
4:17 PM
@MooingDuck by mistake?
 
@MooingDuck Hip-flasks? Handbags full of minatures?
 
@FredOverflow no
 
ouch
 
@MartinJames she was working the kitchen, and found the wine
 
I'm thinking RAID 0+1 for next set up
 
4:18 PM
@FredOverflow luckily her mom was wasted by the time they met, so all went well
 
the second hour?
man
 
@MooingDuck :) Piss-taking apart, I'm glad it went well :)
 
Ell
how can I bleach my mind?
 
if I was getting married I'd want to be the fuck out of there by the second fifteen minutes
 
RAID 1+0 seems more fault tolerant.
I wouldn't bother with striping anyway.
 
4:19 PM
@DeadMG yes, well, Mexicans like to party. It was about 4 hours total
 
Buy more RAM and cache everything.
 
@Ell cocain
 
Only 4 hours?
 
@MooingDuck Yikes. I was going to say "congratulations", but maybe "we're all glad you survived" would be more appropriate...
 
@CatPlusPlus 6p to 10p, then we did cleanup. About 30 stuck around and danced for the first hour of cleanup
@JerryCoffin heh, that's what it feels like yes
 
4:20 PM
@CatPlusPlus Four hours on Tequila is like.. 12 hours on beer.
 
Last wedding I was on was from 5PM to ~4AM.
 
@CatPlusPlus we were at a nice arboretum, had to be cleaned by midnight
 
@CatPlusPlus that is also something to consider. My next motherboard is going to support 64GB so that is something to think about.
 
I don't know about tequila, we drink vodka mostly.
 
@CatPlusPlus mexicans -> tequila
 
4:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus Yup, that'll work fine:)
@MooingDuck I like the arboretum setting - nice plan, though the trees may look red/black after four hours of vodka.
 
@CatPlusPlus Properly pronounced as `To Kill Ya", and appropriately so.
 
Never tried.
@MartinJames Weaklings.
 
@MooingDuck More than 30 people at your wedding?
if I was getting married I'd have me, the bride, the registrar, and that's it
 
@CatPlusPlus Like tobacco, best to not start on that stuff.
 
@DeadMG there was about 25 from my side, maybe... 65 from hers? (and thats after specifically excluding family farther out than a cousin)
 
4:25 PM
@DeadMG When I got married, pretty much all the Americans there thought it was the most elaborate wedding they'd ever seen. All the Filipinos were worried that we must be completely broke, putting on such a bare-bones imitation of a party.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin "teh keeeeee ya"?
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, it can be quite the balancing act
 
user784668
@MooingDuck So now you have a reason to divorce.
 
@MooingDuck Bliminey jeepers.
 
So last night in DayZ I bumped into a fully operational helicopter on Lingor Island.
 
4:27 PM
@Drise Dude, I still have to play that with you some night.
 
@Drise did it have a driver before or after you found it?
 
@DeadMG When Anne and I got married, that's about all we had. The weather was atrocious, ice everywhere and the roads more insecure than @Chimera's data. We only made it ourseves because we'd stayed in hotel next to registry office the night before. None of our friends made it.
 
LOL
 
@DeadMG I think I might have been disowned if I didn't invite my 25 :(
 
user784668
4:29 PM
@MooingDuck They'd call release on your unique_ptr?
 
@MooingDuck After. The driver being me.
We had a LAN party last night at my apartment.
Damnit, fucking plus.
 
@MooingDuck WELCOME BACK AND CONGRATULATIOS, BROSEPH!
@MooingDuck How was it? :D
@MooingDuck .... Wait wat why are you on SO right now. Where's the honeymoon and stuff?
 
@ThePhD Why do you keep saying "Broseph"?
 
Yes
That's my beast 1500$ computer.
 
@ThePhD she doesn't like spending money, so honeymoon is postponed until our finances "recover"
 
user784668
4:32 PM
@ThePhD It's the last month he's allowed to visit SO.
 
@MooingDuck I'm.... not sure. I think Broseph is a combinatin between 'Brother' and 'Joseph'. It's become a term of endearment exclusively from my imagination.
I don't think it has any real founding in reality, since I have no brothers named Joseph or anyone I remotely like even called Joseph.
 
@ThePhD yeah, my name isn't Joseph so I got confused :P
 
@Drise Dare I ask who's sitting at the puny imitation of a screen, when there appears to be a real one sitting idle?
 
@Drise I have that exact black Antec case.
 
@JerryCoffin That's my roommate playing DayZ on Windows on a Mac Book Pro
@ThePhD It's popular.
 
4:35 PM
@Drise Which reminds me: fuck you MSI, for your stupid thunderbolt technology that has no PCIslots that a regular LAN or WLAN card can fit in. Fuck you.
 
I also had my Turtle Beach X42's hooked up so I could hear the zombies in 5.1 surround.
 
Is Turtle Beach a good brand?
 
Ha, finished this crappy Android ticket.
 
@Drise Oh, so it's not really even an imitation of a screen, but an imitation of an imitation...
 
@JerryCoffin Yep
 
4:40 PM
@ThePhD Hmm...let me get this straight. You buy a motherboard from somebody other than Asus, and then think you have room to blame anybody but yourself?
 
@JerryCoffin Everybody else in my family uses MSI and it's skewed my perception because everyone else's computer is running fantastically, crossfired and all.
So I was like "You know what, this might not be a bad ide- OH GOD WHAT IS THIS."
Thankfully, USB WLan and Lan technology isn't too terrible at all.
 
@JerryCoffin Is Asus the only reliable MOBO manufacturer?
 
Ell
I use a gigabyte
 
Related: everyone I know is trying to coax me to replace my 4 year old MacBookPro. I do a lot of programming and gaming. Suggestions? (Asus motherboard already noted)
 
@Drise I don't even know the manufacturer of my mainboard. Oh wait, it's an Asus alright :)
 
Ell
4:45 PM
4 years is nothing
 
@Ell that's what I keep saying!
 
Replacing Mac is always a good idea.
4
 
Ell
ignore them for now :P
@MooingDuck would you use linux or windows?
 
@Ell Windows, I'm not a masochist. And I already said I play games. :D
 
Ell
Linux isn't masochism :L
 
4:46 PM
Is it just me, or do mainboard in the 100€ range have lots of features that nobody really needs? My mainboard was 40€ and works just fine.
 
user784668
@FredOverflow Mainboards in the 100€ range do have lots of features that nobody really needs.
 
Ell
all that motherboards want is enough ram slots, integrated lan & sound & enough usb slots. and sata
 
@Ell I find that a dedicated $5 sound card makes a world of difference. (in memory usage mainly)
 
My mainboard has two ram slots, and I'm perfectly fine with "only" 8GB of RAM.
 
@Drise Honestly? I doubt it. They're all I've used for so long I lack personal experience with others.
 
Ell
4:47 PM
@MooingDuck really?
 
@Fanael The higher-end boards are indeed more reliable. Especially if you overclock.
 
@FredOverflow [slides off side of case] - Gigabyte here.
 
@Ell it certainly seems to make a difference.
 
Ell
I don't think ram speed matters, as long as its dual-channel
 
@Mysticial luckily I don't overclock
 
4:48 PM
Dual Channel is only 2% faster than not Dual Channel or something, right?
 
user784668
@Mysticial So what? I replace my PC every four or five years anyway, it doesn't matter if the mobo will last ten or twenty years.
 
@FredOverflow It depends on the application. A memory intensive app will benefit from higher clocked ram.
 
Ell
@FredOverflow I thought that was triple channell?
 
@FredOverflow Depends on what you're doing, but certainly can make a lot more difference than that.
 
@Fanael The shittier boards will die on you in under a year under not-to-unusual conditions.
 
user784668
@Mysticial What do you mean by "not-to-unusual conditions"?
 
@Fanael A sustained mild overclock in a hot room.
I've had a low-end (but still expensive) server board die on me twice a year. (RMA each time) no overclock
 
@MooingDuck Yes, but look at what they're testing -- all heavily CPU/GPU bound. If that's what you're primarily doing, fine and well. But you need to match the benchmark to the load, or it can be badly misleading.
 
user784668
@Mysticial Either "overclock" or "not-too-unusual". You can't have both.
 
Overclock is "not-too-unusual". Extremely overclocked, is "unusual".
 
Ell
4:52 PM
why do they have dual/single/triple if it makes no difference?
 
@Ell It does make a difference. Just not in those benchmarks.
 
Ell
Okay
 
user784668
@Mysticial But most people don't overclock. In fact, most of the time, people use underclocked CPUs and GPUs.
 
I don't know what kind of RAM I've got. The slots have things in them, above that, I'm not sure.
 
@Fanael A mild overclock doesn't generate all that much more heat than standard clock. If a mild overclock is killing it in a year (or less), it's unlikely to last more than a couple years at standard clock (depending on ambient conditions).
 
4:53 PM
Back in the Core 2 days, my pi-program was more sensitive to ram speed than CPU clock speed.
 
@JerryCoffin Anyway, I guess I wouldn't even notice a 25% increase.
 
user784668
@FredOverflow Your CPU would be doing nothing 25% faster!
 
Ell
@Fanael my cpu is accidentally underclocked
 
@FredOverflow I have one program that's heavily enough memory bound that its speed just about doubles with dual channel RAM. Granted, that's probably fairly unusual though.
 
My CPU is configured to underclock if not used heavily. Which is probably 99.99% of the time :)
@JerryCoffin Is it an artificial benchmark designed to show the awesomeness of Dual Channel? :)
@TonyTheLion Where is that quote from?
 
4:57 PM
@FredOverflow No -- it's a program that reads in lots of documents, then tries to find how closely related which ones are based on word/phrase frequency.
 
@FredOverflow Usage spikes do more damage than sustained lower-usage.
For example: 5 min. of 5 GHz can easily age your processor more than a few years at a stock 3 GHz.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin Good. Then it'll die right when I'll be upgrading anyway.
 
@Mysticial For all I care, my CPU can die today. It has served me well for 6 years by now.
 
@FredOverflow the answer to a question I linked a few lines later
 
@Fanael Not everyone upgrades every 2 years. Not even me.
 
4:59 PM
My CPUs never had the chance to die, I always replaced them while they were still working perfectly fine. Let's see if I can break that habit :)
 
@Drise I love your cable management... very art deco.
 
user784668
@Mysticial Not every low-end mobo dies every 2 years. Not even any of the ones I've been using.
 
@Mysticial There are CPUs that survive 5 GHz? Mine switches between 1,2 and 1,8 GHz or something.
 
user784668
Mine switches between 0.8, 1.8, 2.3 and 3.0 GHz.
 
@Chimera That's the hardware equivalent to goto-ridden code :)
 
5:01 PM
@Fanael I find it much more economical in the long-term to build a relatively high-end machine, and use it for (say) 6 years, than build low-end machines and replace them every couple years.
 
@FredOverflow Oh yeah... I can do 5 GHz on one of my machines. I just don't have any liquid nitrogen to go any higher.
 
@FredOverflow LOL yep
 
@FredOverflow Sure, but the liquid nitrogen bill is onerous.
 
@JerryCoffin I build low-end machines and upgrade parts as they become extremely affordable. Like RAM and VGA for 40€ each.
 
Ell
@FredOverflow vga?
 
5:02 PM
@Ell You know, lazy talk for "graphics card".
 
Ell
@FredOverflow mine can do 4.6GHz without watercooling or anythin
 
I've actually ran that machine at 5.4 GHz for a few minutes back when it was new. It's aged quite a bit since then. So now it has trouble getting up to just 5 GHz.
 
@Mysticial I wonder why? <g>
 
Ell
how can components "age"? if one connection is broken the whole thing goes bust
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin I replace my machines every 4-5 years, that's hardly "couple".
 
Ell
5:03 PM
unless it's ground
 
@MartinJames Obviously cause I've been running it at a more than mild overclock.
 
@Ell Or the wire that makes the panel LED flash on disk activity
 
Ell
yeah
 
@Ell Transistors slowly degrade due to electromigration.
The reaction times increase.
Delays increase. And if it increases past the clock cycle, you get soft errors.
 
user784668
I started to wonder what's the lowest frequency my CPU can run with.
 
5:05 PM
Stock processors are clocked conservatively enough such that there is enough room for degradation to last beyond the expected lifetime of the processor.
 
@Mysticial The molecular structure of my box is changing as I use it? Even though I don't use IE?
 
@MartinJames As long as you have any current running through those transistors, it degrades.
 
@Mysticial Reminds me of a conference I went to years ago -- Intel had just released the first 3 GHz PIV. The conference was about the design challenges inherent in building 10 GHz machines -- and just about completely missed any of the real difficulties involved (i.e., cooling only barely mentioned in passing).
 
Higher currents and more heat exacerbates it.
Black's Equation is a mathematical model for the mean time to failure (MTTF) of a semiconductor circuit due to electromigration: a phenomenon of molecular rearrangement (movement) in the solid phase caused by an electromagnetic field. MTTF = Aj^{-n} e^\left(\frac{Q}{kT}\right) A is a constant j is the current density n is a model parameter Q is the activation energy in eV (electron volts) k is Boltzmann constant T is the absolute temperature in K The model is abstract, not based on a specific physical model, but flexibly describes the failure rate dependence on the temperature, the elect...
Every overclocker needs to know this equation.
 
@Fanael Older Intels used dynamic logic, so you could only underclock them by ~20%. I'm pretty sure all current ones use static logic, so you can clock them about as slow as you like.
 
user784668
5:08 PM
@JerryCoffin They'd make a 500-cycle adder if only it allowed them to increase the frequency by 1 GHz.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin AMD here.
 
@Mysticial Oh crap - my coolermaster box IS black..
 
@Mysticial "It has trouble getting up"? Have you tried Viagra?
 
@Fanael AMD has used static logic basically forever, so you could always run them as slow as you liked (AFAIK).
 
@FredOverflow .............................
 
user784668
5:09 PM
@JerryCoffin Great! 20 MHz CPU coupled with 4 GB of RAM sounds nice.
 
I'm sure you will find somebody on the Internet willing to sell you 5 GHz Viagra ;)
 
@JerryCoffin What about HALT instructions? Does that not stop clocking? Intel had HLT forever.
 
@FredOverflow My closest friend from Nigeria just sent me an email about that the other day.
 
@JerryCoffin I've managed to (accidentally) clock my laptop down to 133 MHz. So clearly the current Intel's don't have dynamic logic on the main circuits.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
@Mysticial Was it noticeable? :)
 
5:11 PM
@FredOverflow Yeah, even opening a window ran at 100% CPU. The mouse would lag as well.
 
@Mysticial I probably should have been more clear: Intel's use of dynamic logic was quite a while ago -- probably last used around the 486 or Pentium (or so). For laptops, they stopped even sooner than that (e.g., you could clock a 386SL as slow as you wanted).
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin So you meant "ancient", not merely "older".
 
I like this suggestion. We could finally get rid of php once and for all... — GEOCHET 15 mins ago
 
@MartinJames Stopping the clock is a whole different story from just slowing it down.
 
@JerryCoffin Do they use DRAM in current chips? For that reason alone you wouldn't be able to underclock below the minimum refresh rate.
 
5:15 PM
@Fanael Sorry -- mostly showing my age. To me, "ancient" usually means "from a company that's been out of business for 10+ years" (e.g., Control Data, DEC, Basic 4, Altair, IMSAI, Northstar, Apollo, Commodore).
 
user784668
Fuck. I've run systemctl restart systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service and that somehow broke sudo.
 
Ell
broke sudo? o.o
 
@Mysticial I'd be seriously surprised if they did -- normal DRAM uses entirely different process technology from logic. While you can combine the two, it imposes a pretty serious compromise on both. Except for a few fairly specialized applications, it's generally easier/cleaner to to a MCM with DRAM on a separate chip.
In any case, DRAM refresh is generally measured in something like 10s of milliseconds, so it's hard to imagine anybody wanting to clock a CPU slower than that in any case (given static leakage, you'd be a lot better off running it faster for a while, then shutting it down).
 
Ell
MCM?
I thought they used sram in cpus?
 
@Ell Ooops -- Multi-Chip Module. Two or three separate ICs in a single package.
 
Ell
5:23 PM
Ahh kk
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin You're like tied to the eighties?
 
@Ell Yes, mostly. The major exceptions using logic and DRAM on a single IC are some GPUs for things like cell phones, with the GPU and frame buffer on a single chip. That's at least been done, though I'm not sure anybody's doing it right now.
 
user784668
@Ell Yeah, "System is booting up." showing up every time I entered the password. And asking the password once again. And again. And again. Until the tries run out.
 
Ell
can you sudo at all?
 
user784668
@Ell No.
 
user784668
5:26 PM
@Ell Now I can, because I rebooted.
 
Ell
is it fixed now?
 
@Fanael Not exactly -- but if you remember owning or using those machines, you have to have some term for their age, and there aren't many convenient words for "older than ancient" and "a lot older than ancient".
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin I only remember Commodore, is it good or bad?
 
@Fanael If you're in the Navy, you should really know a few more ranks.
@Fanael For instance, you're under a rear-admiral.
 
@Fanael Yes, it's good or bad. They had some cool designs for their day (especially the Amiga), but company management varied widely. There have been some attempts at reviving the Amiga line, but none (to my knowledge) particularly successful.
 
user784668
5:31 PM
@Ell Yes.
 
Anybody want to give me some rep love on an answer that is good, but has been ignored?
So many posters don't even leave thank you notes for answers. Heathens
 
@Chimera Happens mostly with answers on older questions, because most people don't notice them. Be quick or be dead!
 
..... I'm so confused.
 
@FredOverflow This one was an hour old when I answered it.
 
user784668
2
A: Is vector<bool> violating container requirements?

James McNellis Does that mean that std::vector class template specification for T = bool, defined in standard, fails to fulfill container requirements? Yes.

 
5:44 PM
@Chimera well, post the answer
 
How can basic windows functions - DefWndProc, etc. - produce.... Linker errors?
 
user784668
Love this answer.
 
@ThePhD if you don't link against the windows library that contains those functions, just like any other linker errors
 
@Fanael short and to the point :)
 
0
A: Segfault when mysql_stmt_close

ChimeraIt sounds like the code / library is trying to free() some memory that has already been released. After some googling, I found this link. It would appear that you should check to make sure stmt isn't NULL before calling mysql_stmt_close(). If stmt is already NULL, the library already cleaned it ...

 
5:45 PM
@MooingDuck ... I have to Link against the Windows Libraries now? o_O;
Weren't they just... ... always included? All the time?
 
@ThePhD Yeah - probably in the file you just removed from the build <g>
 
@ThePhD Visual Studio attempts to link with most of them by default, but not all of them.
 
@ThePhD No. The compiler might include kernel32.lib by default (since it's hard to imagine a Windows program that didn't use it) but there are lots more that aren't. It might also help if you were to spell DefWindowProc correctly -- even with the right libraries, DefWndProc is probably going to remain unresolved.
 
@MooingDuck Well, alrighty.
 
user784668
@ThePhD Also note that the default linking can be usually inhibited by something like -nostdlib.
 
5:49 PM
@JerryCoffin Heh - that was going to be my other 'smart' answer - check spelling.
 
@ThePhD for one build I just checked, Visual Studio linked it automatically with "kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib winspool.lib comdlg32.lib advapi32.lib shell32.lib ole32.lib oleaut32.lib uuid.lib odbc32.lib odbccp32.lib"
 
@JerryCoffin Alrighty. I think I did spell it right (__imp__DefWindowProcA@16), but just failed in SO. Again. And I think it's too late to go back and edit that one, so... now my fail is embedded in the transcript.... again. Damnit.
@MooingDuck ... I don't... see half of those on mine.
@MooingDuck All the copying.
 
@Fanael Or, with MS tools, -nodefaultlibrary.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin It's been a while since I used MS tools.
 
@ThePhD I'm not saying it always links with those, but the one project I checked was linked with those.
 
5:51 PM
@Fanael Yup -- for better or worse, I use them pretty regularly.
 
@JerryCoffin MSVC shows /NODEFAULTLIB
 
@MooingDuck Ah. Found the problem. Turns out a single property sheet was cockblocking the whole thing. inherit from project defaults or parents was unticked in one of them, killing off everything including kernel32.lib.
 
user784668
@MooingDuck -noDEFaultLIB then
 
How did I even make it that far without kernel32.lib ?
 
@ThePhD it failed in the linking phase of the project without it. Where else would it have failed?
 
5:54 PM
@MooingDuck I had been using other Windows functions elsewhere, and only now did I start rebuilding BaseWindow.h for all the window-related goodness. I would have thought it would have failed earlier, before I started messing with BaseWindow
 
whats up nerds
 
Seeing as there were successful compiles previously. Then again, C++ might have been slicing out uncessary code, because some of it I wasn't calling directly just yet.
 
@ThePhD caching or something, I dunno
 
@MooingDuck Ah so -- I usually use the abbreviated form. (-nod).
 
@JerryCoffin I use the GUI
 
5:59 PM
@AmadoMartinez Overclocking, puppies, linker errors and @Chimera's data has exploded.
 

« first day (716 days earlier)      last day (4248 days later) »