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1:00 PM
I just send emails to companies with that in the title and an empty body, and the offers just roll inn.
 
@jalf that's a fairly relative thing no, I mean what is 'look good', that depends on the eye of the beholder
 
My problem with CV's is that I tend to spend ages polishing them
 
oh ghosh
 
@KerrekSB You need to look for buffering in higher layers, too. There might be stdio or iostream buffering above CreateFile.
 
I haven't spent hours polishing mine.
I just add things when needed and that's that
I think my problem is experience and/or lack of a degree
 
1:01 PM
@TonyTheTiger nah, it doesn't have to (probably shouldn't) look fancy, just follow the rule of thumb that the reader is probably going through a lot of CVs, so yours needs to be structured so that the reader can get the information they need immediately, without having to read the whole thing
 
which takes you off the list for most companies...
@jalf hmmm oh I see
 
It's pretty standard here in Portugal.
 
By CV we mean the equivalent of resumes?
 
If the reader has the choice between a CV that requires him to read 2 pages of text to figure out if the candidate is even potentially interesting, versus one where you can read 3 different headings to get an overview, he is going to be very inclined to pick the latter ;)
 
(What does CV stand for?)
 
1:03 PM
Curriculum Vitae
 
It's latin.
 
@Collecter yep. I think technically speaking there are a few diferences in how they're usually structured and how detailed they should be, but yeah
Resumes are mainly used in the US, afaik, CVs are common in Europe
probably with some exceptions on both sides :)
 
hmmm
any of you mention SO on your CV?
 
I didn't.
 
1:04 PM
Other than college education, I just mentioned the open-source stuff I messed with.
 
My SO profile is not yet impressive enough
 
I structured mine so page 1 holds some personal info and a 5-10 lines "elevator pitch", page 2 work experience, and page 3 education
 
@jalf From wiki it says CVs are used in academic and medical fields in the US more than resumes because they are more comprehensive.
 
was a pain to get everything to fit that structure, but I was pretty determined that I wanted it to be easy to navigate :)
@TonyTheTiger I didn't. I considered it, but in the end, I thought it'd feel too tacky and "forced"
might depend on the job though
 
@jalf oh ok. I didn't either. do you have a CS degree?
 
1:06 PM
@TonyTheTiger yeah
 
" ... and on top of all that, I have a bunch of imaginary points!"
 
I think Europe uses CVs only, not any equivalent of US resumes.
 
Yup, only CV's here.
 
@jalf ahh I'm sure that opens a lot of doors...
 
Is Iceland in Europe?
 
1:07 PM
@TonyTheTiger yeah, very likely
@MartinhoFernandes yep, sort of
 
I'm not sure what a geographer would say, but yeah
 
Wiki says it is.
 
they're applying for membership of the EU and everything :)
 
What about Hawaii? Which continent is it in?
 
1:07 PM
|conventional_long_name = Republic of Iceland |common_name = Iceland |image_flag = Flag of Iceland.svg |image_coat = Coat of arms of Iceland.svg |image_map = Europe-Iceland.svg |map_caption = |national_anthem = Lofsöngur"Hymn" |official_languages = Icelandic |capital = Reykjavík |ethnic_groups = 93% Icelandic,7.0% other (see demographics) |latd=64 |latm=08 |latNS=N |longd=21 |longm=56 |longEW=W |largest_city = capital |government_type = Unitary parliamentary republic |leader_title1 = President |leader_name1 = Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson |leader_title2 = Prime Minister |leader_name2 = Jóhann...
 
@MartinhoFernandes it is a US State
US
 
This chat is full of failure.
 
@TonyTheTiger I don't think that implies it's part of the American continent.
 
lol, thank you @CatPlusPlus
 
> Iceland[6][7] Listeni/ˈaɪslənd/ (Icelandic: Ísland, IPA: [ˈislant]; see Names for Iceland), also referred to as Republic of Iceland is a European island country in the north Atlantic Ocean on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.[8]
 
1:08 PM
@MartinhoFernandes oh...
 
Hey @CatPlusPlus we have a polish supermarket here in Iceland, with wierd sodas and juices
 
@TonyTheTiger well, what do you have to put your CV? Work experience, (open source) projects, other stuff?
 
@TonyTheTiger I meant implementation. :P
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Q: Global C++ object initialization

valdoMany C++ programmers have suffered from the fierce clashes with the global C++ objects initialization/cleanup. Eventually I've found a good enough solution to this problem, I've been using (and anjoying) it for years now. My question is: does this solution fully comply to the C++ standard, or it'...

 
@jalf I have work experience. I have some pet projects I worked on, though they're not really finished.
 
Lol this guy. "By making singleton a singleton I've resolved all of the singleton problems!"
 
1:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus That's got to be the most paradoxic statement ever!
 
@TonyTheTiger doesn't matter that they're not finished IMO. As long as it indicates that you do coding outside of work, it's a talking point
 
NO singleton has ever solved singleton problems
@jalf hmmm ok, I was also thinking of writing something in C++, like tetris or something
perhaps having that might show some skillz
 
@TonyTheTiger sure, go for it. :)
what kind of jobs are you applying for btw?
 
@jalf .NET or C++ (though I would prefer C++, but these jobs mostly require lots of experience, ugh)
 
Just remember, janitors don't need CV'S!
 
1:12 PM
@TonyTheTiger Or play with an OS project.
 
@ÓlafurWaage yes true, maybe I should switch career to toilet cleaner :P
 
but in a nutshell, the goal is just to make you come across as someone they'll need to get in for an interview so they can gauge you more accurately. So mentioning projects you've worked on earlier is great, gives them something to be curious about
 
@TonyTheTiger Make it extreme tetris. Have two blocks falling at once, arrows keys move one, (not sure how european keyboards are set up) but the other would probably use wasd here.
 
Which reminds me, I have a to add "Worked on the Mono C# compiler" to my CV. (It was a three-line fix, but the HR people don't need to know that :P)
 
@TonyTheTiger those need CV's though.
 
1:13 PM
Tetris 4D. Like Tetris 3D, but with time travel added.
 
@ÓlafurWaage Thought you said CVS. Even without the apostrophe, the sentence made perfect sense. ;)
 
Nobody needs CVS.
 
@ÓlafurWaage what's the requirement though, an affection for shit :P
 
Except masochists.
 
And people I hate.
 
1:13 PM
@jalf I love sentences that have multiple true meanings.
@TonyTheTiger those are called Perl programmers.
 
@CatPlusPlus suggestions?
@ÓlafurWaage LOL :P
 
@TonyTheTiger ...Goblin Camp. xD There are many projects, pick one you like and it's more than likely that there will be something to do.
 
I have a website, maybe I should start adding some techie articles... and put the URL on my CV
 
@TonyTheTiger yep, sounds good
at my last interview they were pretty excited about my blog
 
@jalf oh kewl
 
1:15 PM
fuck
 
I guess it shows enthusiasm for coding (as long as that's what your blog is about)
 
that's an idea then :)
 
I need to write a blog post for today, and I had some ideas last night but I've forgotten them
 
@jalf yea, I wouldn't make a blog about tits, for a programmer job
although...
 
again, it makes you look interesting, which is really all the CV is for
 
1:16 PM
They'd be doubleplusexcited for that.
 
tony, nobody would be surprised if you blogged about tits
3
 
@jalf What, tits?
 
Tits make you look interesting.
 
although there's not much to say about tits except "Here's an excellent pair" and "Here's what I like about tits"
 
1:16 PM
Not if you hold them in a bag.
 
@EtiennedeMartel tits make everything more interesting
 
@DeadMG nobody in here would be surprised :P
 
@jalf Even tits.
recursive joke
 
hmmm recursive tits...
interesting
 
Just don't forget tit-call optimisation.
 
1:18 PM
@DeadMG I know the feeling. i keep writing down ideas for blogging about, and then I forget where I wrote it down
 
ohhhh.....
 
@CatPlusPlus Damn. That was bad
 
@EtiennedeMartel Tits-ception?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, awful.
 
@Drahakar We have to go deeper.
 
1:18 PM
oh noess.... I set it off again :P
 
Derp.
 
I'm so bad :(
 
Herp de derp de herpity derp.
 
man
my grammar is so unbelievably complex, and I haven't even added things like operator overloading and friends in yet
 
1:20 PM
or initializers in constructors
 
I don't see much appeal in blogging, TBH.
 
If you're trying to recreate C++, then of course you're gonna get a bloated mess.
 
you don't need friends, they only access your private parts anyways. so who wants that?
 
That's what C++ is.
 
I though you were taking out stuff by the gallons.
 
1:20 PM
I am
 
@TonyTheTiger Lots of people do.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's you
 
but it's still unbelievably complex :P
 
sbi
@DeadMG But since you're the undisputed Master of the English Language in this chatroom, we'd all expect you to use unbelievably complex grammar anyway.
 
@MartinhoFernandes yea if they're female
 
1:21 PM
that's completely true and I've far from given up quite yet
I got a new version of Bison and it's much more amenable to C++
 
@sbi Who nominated him?
 
I did
 
he himself did
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes He himself.
 
1:21 PM
see
 
self proclamation is soooo last year...
 
How could I not see this coming?
 
@TonyTheTiger oh, also try to present everything in terms of what you contributed. It's less relevant what the project's goal was than what precise skills you brought to the party or what problems you solved.
 
Is the single-argument constructor of boost::optional explicit or not?
 
and nobody else needs to nominate me for it to be undisputed, because only my opinion carries weight
 
1:22 PM
@MartinhoFernandes You're too naive, I guess
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes This is what made it especially laughable and keeps triggering me to tease him.
 
@FredOverflow No.
 
@jalf fancy reviewing my CV and commenting what's up? :P
 
@DeadMG By the way, are you going to implement the "Elvis operator" ?
 
@FredOverflow It's one of the things that makes it so lovely.
 
sbi
1:23 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, a puppy carries weight, I can see that. Especially when it comes to language and grammar.
 
@TonyTheTiger Sure, why not? :p
 
@kbok What the hell does it do?
 
@kbok Elvis operator?
 
@sbi Especially when thrown.
 
just email it to me, at anything you like @jalf.dk
 
1:24 PM
@DeadMG ?:
 
It's if(x == null) return y; else return x; packed into x ?: y.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel That's thrust, not weight, you're talking about.
 
It's quite trendy actually.
 
no
 
When thrown, it carries the weight.
 
1:24 PM
@jalf k, email incoming
 
I cut ?:
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Why is this called "Elvis operator"?
 
@sbi Because it kinda looks like elvis
 
@sbi It's part of an Elvis smiley: ?:).
Not my idea.
 
@kbok hahahaha
 
sbi
1:25 PM
@DeadMG Did it weep?
 
I just call it coalesce.
 
no
 
Yes, I do.
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Oh. Is that an Elvis smiley? I wouldn't have known.
 
Not my idea.
 
1:26 PM
@jalf sent
 
sbi
OMG. There's 30 users in here. I can hardly breath.
 
Ugh, VS and nested lambdas do not play nice together
 
What's OMG? I know that.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger I'm curious, too! :)
 
Basically, the elvis operator is used by people who think that carrying null pointers all around your code is a good idea.
 
sbi
1:26 PM
@MartinhoFernandes A typo.
@kbok Yeah. Carrying null pointers is soo last century. Nowadays we're carrying null references instead!
 
@sbi In fact, it is from the world of null references.
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes ??
 
@sbi lol
 
@sbi It's from a JVM language. Hence null references.
 
sbi
1:29 PM
@MartinhoFernandes It?
 
The Elvis operator.
 
I thought arguments were passed by value in java.
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Actually, no, it's from C.
 
@sbi There's an elvis operator in C ?
 
sbi
@kbok Some, like int. Others, like Integer, are passed by reference.
@kbok What do you think where C++, Java, C# and all the other languages got it from?
 
1:30 PM
No, Java has no pass by reference.
 
@sbi Actually, java people prefer to say that it's passing pointers by value.
 
Oh noes, here we go.
 
Everything is passed by value in Java, both primitive values and object references.
 
@sbi There's an elvis operator in C++, Java and C# ? Now I'm confused.
 
@sbi No, it's not. The Elvis is not the conditional operator from C. It's a binary operator.
 
sbi
1:32 PM
@MartinhoFernandes Oh. Sorry for the confusion, @kbok. What is that thing then?
 
@kbok ?: is a common way to refer to the ternary conditional operator in C.
 
@MartinhoFernandes @sbi Oh, sorry, I was referring to ?: as a binary operator.
 
there's a ?: binary operator?
 
like : stuff() ?: "thingie"
 
Elvis!
 
1:34 PM
@DeadMG Yes, in groovy
 
right
but since the source language I'm deriving from is C++
then why would you describe an operator from another language ascut?
 
sbi
@kbok What does it do?
 
It was actually a joke, It wouldn't make sense in a such a language anyway.
 
x ?: y is equivalent to x == null? y : x.
 
Ah, like ?? in C#.
 
1:35 PM
11 mins ago, by Martinho Fernandes
It's if(x == null) return y; else return x; packed into x ?: y.
No one listens to me.
 
11 mins ago, by Martinho Fernandes
It's if(x == null) return y; else return x; packed into x ?: y.
 
@TonyTheTiger always put stuff in reverse chronological order. Newer stuff at the top
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Ah, Ok. So it's a shortcut for what's already a shortcut.
 
@MartinhoFernandes You were faster, lol
 
1:36 PM
@sbi Basically, yes.
 
It's a shortshortcut.
 
sbi
32
 
Shortcutception
 
x only gets evaluated once.
 
sbi
1:37 PM
@MartinhoFernandes Even shorter then!
 
It's useful when you have things like getBeanFactorySingletonGenerator().getSpecializedBeanFactory().get..., well, you got it.
 
@kbok Ah, so it's useful for overengineered Java designs?
(Sorry for the repetition)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yep. It's a groovy construct after all. As I said, it's useful for languages when you carry loads of nulls around.
 
@TonyTheTiger you here?
 
Espresso : nom nom nom
 
sbi
@ÓlafurWaage Where else would he be?
 
Ah, the "plz moov discuss to chat" threshold is 6 comments.
 
sbi
In which chat room do such comment discussions end up, BTW, when moved to the chat?
Please don't randomly move arbitrary comment discussions into this room!
 
It's into a freshly minted "Discussion between Fool and Barl" room.
You can see loads of these if you browse the existing rooms.
 
1:54 PM
I wonder if you can "invade" such chatrooms.
 
You can.
By default, they're not gallery rooms.
 
I believe Raynos did that with Dead the other day.
 
Lol, what ?
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Q: How to access "browsing context" in JavaScript?

Saeed NeamatiIs there a way to access browsing context in JavaScript?

 
1:57 PM
day9 lol
 
Born to fast expand
@kbok It appears there is a browsing context: whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/multipage/…
 
Interesting
There's clarifications on the question now.
 
Yes, I converted my downvote into an upvote.
 
You know what I love, big test sets.
I'm parsing a test result of 640k translated words. Trying to find errors :)
 
2:13 PM
Testing with The Force.
 
11k words parsed wrong, 165 unique errors.
I love linux command line tools
 
Who doesn't?
Lots of people. Especially women.
 
me
I hate them
 
@sbi not here
@sbi I'll mail it to you when I get back home, any input is welcome
 
@TonyTheTiger you using the Careers CV or writing your own?
 
2:16 PM
@ÓlafurWaage written my own
 
is it secret or can I see it?
 
@ÓlafurWaage if you will not reveal my identity on here
 
I will not.
 
:D
you didn't ask me to not reveal your identity!
 
2:17 PM
You know, you can always fake that.
 
If you will not reveal my secret identity!
 
but don't worry, your secret is safe with me.... Batman..
 
Tony's real name is Bruce?
 
@jalf lol I assumed you were smart enough to know that
 
@TonyTheTiger want my email?
 
2:18 PM
@ÓlafurWaage yea
 
@TonyTheTiger olafurw@gmail.com
 
@MartinhoFernandes my real name is tony
 
@TonyTheTiger So, you're assuming Ólafur is not smart enough, hmmm... ;)
 
@MartinhoFernandes no Im just saying :)
 
@MartinhoFernandes It's rarely a good idea to assume that I'm smart
 
2:20 PM
What am I supposed to do if the compiler doesn't complain, when I was expecting an error?
 
Look at it suspiciously
 
@jalf lol
 
@ÓlafurWaage add a static_assert(false)?
 
@jalf no, why would you ever do that....
 
@ÓlafurWaage you might want to remove that
 
2:22 PM
Hey! WTF are you linking? I didn't implement half of those constructors!
 
@TonyTheTiger I'm not afraid of spam. Thanks though :)
 
@ÓlafurWaage you said you wanted the compiler to complain!
 
@jalf I'm not that abusive.
 
2:39 PM
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A: How to set default for a vector in a method

DeadMGYou can't do that, because a reference will not bind to an rvalue. Either you use const and give up the out part of the param, or you use a mutable lvalue reference and force the caller to pass something in.

bloody hell, am I the only one who read the question?
 
@TonyTheTiger ok, sent my feedback
 
Jalf got your CV and I didn't? *feels left out*
 
@ÓlafurWaage some of us are just more important than others, I guess
 
hahaha
 
Anyone here want a google music invite?
 
2:44 PM
I'm fine, thanks.
 
@Collecter Yes, please
 
@kbok I just went to the invite page, it said only available in the US...
 
@Collecter Aw, crap.
 
Sorry.
 
No problem :)
Although it's weird, because I heard some of my friends have an account.
 
2:48 PM
Damn, I downvoted someone and my rep is no longer a multiple of 5.
That means I have to find four answers to downvote.
 
@kbok Want it anyway? Maybe it will work
 
or you could post an answer, get it downvoted twice, and then delete it
 
I keep mine as a multiple of 10.
It's way worse.
 
@Collecter Sure
 
@kbok I would need an email.
 
2:50 PM
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Q: Count words and sentence in string

naseri want to know for example : $d="hey dud how are u, where u are dud,hey dud how !!!"; the count word or sentence is: hey 2 dud 2 hey dud 2 hey dud how 2 u 2 but i want maximum of that only return(cover all other word). hey dud how 2 u 2 how can do that?

Hell
 
hey dud answr his question dud don be hatin dud. peace 2 u dud
 
@Collecter arnaud.bellec@gmail.com
 
@kbok It is sent
 
@hexa Make more marowders, dood.
 
Woo, Lounge<C++>, a spammer's paradise. Well, not really.
 
2:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not a prinnie dood!
have you played this game?
 
@hexa Played what?
 
lol
> I'd be a bit offended that you're application was calling me a dud.
@Collecter Thanks !
 
@kbok No problem.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Disgaea
 
@hexa Nope.
 
2:55 PM
@kbok The upload to the servers is a bit slow, so I just had it running at home while i was at work
 
@EtiennedeMartel Good turn based rpg. Like FF Tactics or Vandal Hearts
 
Oh.
So it's an adventure game with some RPG elements?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Like Deathspank? :D
 
(Because that's what JRPGs are)
@jalf Yep.
Diablo 2 has more customization options than, say, FFVII
@hexa Anyway, what platform is this thing on?
 
@Collecter It's working
 
2:57 PM
@kbok That is cool. I wonder why they said the beta was US only then.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Disgaea 1 and 2 are for PS2, 3 is for PS3.
they have this characters named Prinnies, and all they say is basically "dood"
 
@Collecter I had to say in the conditions that I'm a US resident, but that's all
 
@kbok got it
 

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