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7:03 PM
hi
 
Doc
hi
 
Xeo
c++ madness syntax ftw ...
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Q: What is the meaning of "......" token?

VitusWhile browsing through gcc's current implementation of new C++11 headers, I stumbled upon "......" token. You can check, that the following code compiles fine [via ideone.com]. template <typename T> struct X { /* ... */ }; template <typename T, typename ... U> struct X<T(U......)...

 
7:16 PM
At least they support variadic templates, MSVC2010 doesn't. :(
 
Xeo
@PiotrLegnica :( I'm stuck with VC10 too.. I think I really need to learn the make-chain and how to use it on windows..
 
Well, I very much prefer MSVC to GCC.
 
Guys could some one provide even better explanation to prove that "Arrays are not poiners." I am failing to convince a programmer who has commented on my answer. stackoverflow.com/questions/5495983/… . Some one to rescue to me plzzzz .
Please provide your comment there.
 
Especially that MSVC running in a limited VM compiles our codebase about 3 times faster than g++ running on a more powerful dedicated server. :P
 
Hi guys ... what are your opinions about C++.NET
 
7:25 PM
You mean C++/CLI? It's useful if you're integrating native C++ with .NET app, that sort of stuff. For pure-.NET apps, C# will probably be better choice.
 
don't like .net
 
@Mahesh Who exactly are you referring to?
 
yes i am talking about C++/CLI. well, why C# is more common than C++/CLI
 
@PiotrLegnica - My statement "Arrays decay to a pointer while passed to a function" is one of my comment which OP commented as absurd.
 
@Mahesh OP did not reply to that comment in particular, Jim Balter did.
 
7:36 PM
@GMan - Yeah, I will go through the comments again. Thanks.
And yes, I was trying to convince Jim Balter
 
@Mahesh Convince him of what?
 
sbi
7:58 PM
@Xeo Spanish, Italian, and French are still Indo-European languages, though, and hence are quite similar to Germanic languages (like English or German).
@Als If you're into CS, English is a must. I know some German programmers who can understand English well enough to read books and articles as long as they're about programming, but can't write an email that you could send to a customer. If you're a native English speaker, please don't look down your nose on those struggling to speak your language. For most people in the world English is not a native language, and many speak your language much better than you speak theirs.
@Mahesh The C++ FAQ item on arrays is the best SO has to offer:
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Q: How do I use arrays in C++?

FredOverflowC++ inherited arrays from C where they are used virtually everywhere. C++ provides abstractions that are easier to use and less error-prone (std::vector<T> since C++98 and std::array<T, n> since C++0x), so the need for arrays does not arise quite as often as it does in C. However, whe...

@Tony Thanks!! Will do right away...
 
@sbi :)
 
Xeo
damn @Tony, I wanted to combo-break sbi's wisdom dump :(
though it seems he's finished
 
sbi
@Xeo I'm done. As you were! :)
 
@Xeo That was about something else... not the wisdom dump
 
sbi
@user630908 That's quite a vague question. Can you narrow it down?
 
8:04 PM
@user630908 It sucks.
(Just kidding.)
 
@StackedCrooked Hey how are you?
 
@Tony I'm good. Just made fine walk through the city of Gent.
 
sbi
@BlackBear There's two major problems with Brainfuck. The easier one is that it's about as low-level as it gets. Yes, it's Turing-complete, but that's like saying that, in theory, a carpenter's toolbox is all you need to build a house from scratch. Yes, it works, but in practice it's not useful.
The worst problem with Brainfuck, however, is discussing the language with Americans. While all of them use the word "fuck" several times a day, they seem to be unable to write it out, so any discussion about Brainfuck inevitably ends in gibberish.
 
Damn, my typing sucks atm.
 
@StackedCrooked Sounds like fun :)
@sbi Hahaha :P That cracked me up, but yes I've experienced that 'hypocrysm'
 
8:10 PM
Are you guys well versed in error handling?
 
sbi
@Tony Yeah. Just imagine we'd discuss the word "fuck" here. That would make quite a turmoil on meta!
 
@StackedCrooked yes, if (error) die;
 
sbi
Oh, wait...
Damn.
And it's me again.
 
@sbi hahah LOL :P
 
@Tony you mean exit(0)?
 
8:11 PM
@StackedCrooked yea I mean that
 
die Bart, die
 
I'm well versed in ignoring errors due to laziness.
 
@Tony #define die exit(1)
 
Xeo
if (error) LaunchNuclearMissiles();
you meant
 
cuz not sure we can use the word 'die' here, should check on meta... LOL
@sbi that meta thread wasn't too bad though... could have ended far worse if you ask me
 
sbi
8:12 PM
@StackedCrooked So? There's users here who's typing always sucks. And there's me. While my spillchucker finds (almost) all typos, I can (almost) never let something stand the way I wrote it the first time, and always have to edit it. :(
 
if (havePaint) dye(); else die();
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sbi
@Tony I knew, that's why I didn't ask you!
 
@sbi: it was the strangest language I've ever seen before today :) and +1 for the Americans citation ;)
 
@sbi I'm always editing as well. People have told me I'm doing it too much because it causes the ping sound again and again... :)
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked That was me. :)
 
8:14 PM
@Xeo I remember, very well :)
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Don't forget the full-stop.
 
how expensive is a double to float cast?
 
@sbi It is DONE! :)
 
@Nils 12.99€.
 
Btw, you guys @Xeo @Tony seem to be gathering rep points quickly
 
8:16 PM
@StackedCrooked been rep whore'ing for the last few days :) Answering questions like a loony :)
 
Xeo
@Nils the cost to cut of the last 4 bit on little endian (?) and the cost of shifting on big endian (?) i think
@StackedCrooked What @Tony says
 
@Tony Heh, I've been too idle lately..
 
Xeo
though there are people even more fucked up. like Erik, who gathered 12k in 40 days...
 
@Xeo so cheap :)
 
@Nils Why do you ask? If you need to, do so. double and float have no standard implementation, so it depends on your platform.
 
8:18 PM
because I want to know how much speed I might loose :)
 
Xeo
Oh wait, that was wrong. the # of bits in both exponent and mantissa in double and float are different..
so it's a little bit more than chopping of and shifting, sorry
 
ok
 
yeah it's quite expensive i think
 
@Nils: Compared to what, is the question.
If your only correct course of action is to perform the cast, then you have no choice and the question isn't useful.
 
@Nils None that would matter. Optimise bottlenecks when they become bottlenecks.
 
8:20 PM
@GMan to a memory fetch?
 
@Nils: Casting and memory reads are two different things, how does comparing them make sense?
 
@StackedCrooked I was idle for ages, but then I decided to crank it up a bit...
 
memory fetch takes around 100-200 cycles
@GMan so in cycles
 
@Nils: Which is faster, painting a bike or reading a book?
Does that comparison make sense, even if you say "oh, measured in seconds"?
They accomplish two different things.
 
@Tony Yeah, I shall do that too!
And now I'm gonna get me a beer.
 
8:25 PM
Hi guys! Quick question... why is the Cpp runtime allocating more memory than i ask for in this pastebin.com/gst41PgZ ? My function is returning corrupted values because of that
 
sbi
@Tony You sent the mail? Thank you!
 
Heap allocators always allocate more than requested (if only to account for control structures).
 
@Drknezz Define "more". What are you seeing, what were you expecting? Also, please never use new[], use a std::vector<>.
 
I bet modern CPUs have an assembly instruction for that which is fast, but google does not find it for me.
 
@sbi Yes I did! :)
 
8:27 PM
@Nils Instruction for what?
 
convert double to float
 
@GMan I am getting the intended result plus bogus data
 
@sbi You should've seen what I wrote them to get an invitation... :P
 
@Nils Could you answer my question?
 
sbi
@Tony If you think I should see it, the best thing would be for you to send it to me, no?
 
8:28 PM
@sbi LOL are you sure?
 
@Drknezz It's because your string has no null terminator.
 
@sbi it made me laugh and it's true :)
 
sbi
@Tony Um, how would I know? It was you who said I should see it, after all.
 
@Drknezz Use std::string. Your program has a completely unnecessary memory leak from now.
 
@GMan Well memory fetch is considered slow, cos it takes something on the order of 100 cycles so compared to something slow such as mem fetch how fast is the conversion?
 
8:29 PM
@GMan Oh! So i should add a "\n"?
 
@Drknezz No...you should null terminate your string.
 
Err "\0"
 
@Nils: Do you understand what I'm trying to point out? You're comparing apples to oranges.
@Drknezz Yes. But really, should should use std::string.
 
@sbi you've got it
 
@Nils: And you're misguided anyway: write your program so it's working, then worry about silly issues like cycles.
 
8:31 PM
@GMan I will when i delve deeper into another Cpp book... blame the mem leaks on GC'ed languages D:
 
@Drknezz I reject such blame. C++ is not GC'd, you shouldn't be programming anything but C++ in C++.
 
@GMan I mean, i come from C#/Java Background, so im used to get babysitted by GC
 
@Nils No, CPU doesn't have any type-converting instructions. At least not x86. There are different opcodes for operating on different types where it matters.
 
@GMan my program is working, I'm trying to optimize
 
@Drknezz Right. But you simply need to not excuse yourself: you should learn to do things the C++ way now, while you're programming C++, not later.
@Nils What did your profiler say needed to be optimized?
 
8:33 PM
@Nils Did profiling pointed out type casts as the bottleneck?
 
@GMan How could i stop the memory leak?
 
@PiotrLegnica ;)
@Drknezz Use std::string.
 
Also, terminating the string with \n did it
Thanks
 
sbi
@GMan: Since it seems the majority supporting your POV in our little poll is so overwhelming that I'm very unlikely to swing the opinion towards my POV, it might be time to annotate the meta question with the new goal (preferably with links to these starred postings of yours), start implementing it the new strategy, and unpin those messages?
 
@GMan well right now I'm profiling on a gpu which is slow with double, so I'm thinking about converting
 
8:34 PM
@sbi: Oh, right.
 
@GMan If i use std::string, id be able to use the += Operator?
 
@Drknezz Yes.
@Nils You mean a shader or something?
 
@GMan cuda
 
sbi
@GMan I hope you saved the links before you unpinned them? :)
 
@GMan Will try to use std::string
Thanks
 
8:38 PM
@sbi Wait, what links? D:
OH....
Er, no. :)
@Nils So what specific portions did the profiler point out? Typically you speed things up with better algorithm design than with a cast here or there. If you think float's might be better, you should probably use them everywhere.
IIRC, CUDA is much faster with floats.
 
CUDA boggles my mind :P
 
@GMan I'll profile for sure, just an explanation on how it's usually done and how much instructions it needs would be nice, so far couldn't find one.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I know that, too.
 
@Nils That's still a really bad approach. Individual instructions simply don't matter until your algorithm is approximately perfectly tuned.
 
8:42 PM
@sbi Thanks, now I know that you know too. Awesome! :)
 
sbi
@GMan: Did you just star my message so you wouldn't lose those links again??
@StackedCrooked :)
 
Xeo
@sbi if he did that: lol.
 
@Sure
 
@sbi Yup.
 
sbi
@GMan :P
@Xeo BTW, you have evaded all messages concerning your suspicious absence from the meetup. But as you might have found out, I'm all for blurting out what everyone else is tiptoeing around, so here's my question: Didn't you want us to find out you're a girl? That was wholly unnecessary, since we already know that! :) You missed a fine evening for nothing.
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Xeo
8:48 PM
@sbi Now if I answer that truthfully, it will just strengthen your image of me being a girl. Let's just say I had some stuff to do. :(
 
@sbi Hahaha, nice.
 
@sbi Haha, some just don't want their real sex found out :P
oh... did I just mention sex again?
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Xeo is a dude man.
 
sbi
@Tony Yep, let's all star it!
@StackedCrooked Yeah, we thought that, too, but now we know better! :)
@Xeo Yep. There's no weaseling out anymore now.
Woo! C++0x Final Draft International Standard just got sent to ISO! #cpp #cpp0x #wg21
So Kevlin was indeed right.
 
@Tony Great, now the Internet Decency Police will shut us down. Well done.
 
sbi
8:52 PM
(Thanks to @James for spreading that.)
 
I guess I'll object and say I find the sex talk puerile.
 
I'll structure.
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Xeo
Oh well, I'll just hope that a situation arises where I can prove that I'm not a girl. Until then, do what you want.
 
I have a terrible sense of humour, don't I. :(
 
@PiotrLegnica If that was supposed to be a joke, then yes.
 
8:56 PM
I blame Java.
 
well, i thought it was funny
 
@PiotrLegnica Took me a second, but it was clever. :)
 
@sbi no one really actively starring it, what's wrong with these people?
@PiotrLegnica so what? at least we said what we wanted to say! haha :P
@PiotrLegnica that's terrible :P
@PiotrLegnica Java can be blamed for a lot of things, but not for your bad sense of humour, or is it that bad, Java is?
 
@Tony My brain is regularly tortured by it.
 
@PiotrLegnica yea well, I don't know how you manage...
putting yourself through something like that
 
9:01 PM
@Tony I invent bad puns. :(
 
Xeo
I just went through the wikipedia article on brainfuck and now
 
@PiotrLegnica lol
@Xeo cursing, bad bad.... :P
 
Xeo
It's hard to resist clicking wikipedia or tvtropes links..
 
Don't mention tvtropes, I have a lecture in 8 hours.
 
Xeo
kekeke
 
sbi
9:03 PM
@GMan Now you're bringing up words I have to look up in order to impress us? :) Won't work with us Europeans, we'll just laugh about you!
@PiotrLegnica Then I have that, too, because I think I got the joke.
 
Xeo
@PiotrLegnica Let's see.. how about tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/… ?
 
sbi
@Tony They are prudish.
 
By the way, I got Outspoken badge, thanks guys. And gals.
 
@sbi gross... :P
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica If your brain is regularly tortured by Java, then you're excused for a lot of things. Well, at least in the C++ room you are.
@PiotrLegnica THAT WAS YOU?
 
9:07 PM
@sbi does that mean @tina should start doing Java then, to get away with that tortures she's putting us through? (don't give her ideas though)
 
sbi
@Tony It's hidden in the bitmap, so grepping the room's transcript will miss it. (Ha, that's how we dealt with censorship when I grew up...)
 
Xeo
@Tony If you don't want to give her ideas, I'm happy you didn't notify her with @Model. :)
 
@sbi hahah I hadn't even thought of it that way... :)
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica What's the Outspoken badge for? Do you get that when you oppose Jeff? :)
 
Xeo
@sbi 10 messages starred by ten different users
 
sbi
9:08 PM
@Xeo You bastard!
 
@Xeo now you've just given her ideas, THANKS IN ADVANCE <sarcasm>
 
That was bold.
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica And this is italian.
 
Xeo
@sbi No, it's italic. :)
 
sbi
@Xeo Don't be so girlish!
 
9:11 PM
@PiotrLegnica wishes I could do underlined
 
Xeo
@PiotrLegnica Gotta love the ambiguity of the English language. Not the ambiguity of C++ though.
 
sbi
@Tony _I_think_you_can_._
 
@Xeo and preferably not ambiguity of template linker or compiler errors... shudders in horror
@sbi sounds like something Obama would say :P
 
Xeo
Okay, my link to trap @PiotrLegnica on tvtropes just backfired. Damn it.
 
sbi
@Xeo Compared to English, C++' tinsy little ambiguities are flimsy.
@Xeo Did I ever mention I haven't lived in a household with a TV for more than twenty years?
@Tony He'd speak in backticks??
 
Xeo
9:15 PM
@sbi Yes, just now. I don't have a TV either.
 
@Tony N̲o̲t̲h̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲i̲s̲ ̲i̲m̲p̲o̲s̲s̲i̲b̲l̲e̲.
 
sbi
@Xeo But you probably weren't even born when I last had a TV at home. :)
@PiotrLegnica Now that's quite an achievement! <applauds/>
 
Xeo
@sbi Well, is it really twenty years since then or just 19 1/2 ? :P
 
Rendering is kinda off here, but it wouldn't be a web browser if everything rendered correctly.
 
sbi
@Xeo I said more than twenty years.
 
Xeo
9:18 PM
@sbi Okay, then my answer is clearly no, I wasn't. :)
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica I just looked at the messages naked source, but that was underlined, too, so now I'm stumped. How did you do this?
 
@sbi U+0332 COMBINING LOW LINE.
 
sbi
@Xeo Ah, so you're a twenty year old girl doing C++ programming. That's bound to make half the room's population horny. :)
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@PiotrLegnica impressive!
 
Just half?
 
Xeo
9:21 PM
@PiotrLegnica Maybe the other half was horny to begin with. Who knows?
 
imho nothing wrong with being a girl or women in this business, we need more!
I would produce more code when I had nice girl in front of me :)
Also hornier code perhaps :P
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica I have way to many kids already, and I'm too old to lust for 20 year olds. And I thought I'm not the only old man in here... Well, I shoulda have thought...
 
@Tony Well, I probably wouldn't.
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica Wow. This chat does Unicode? You gotta hand it to the SE crowd, if they do something, they do it all the way.
 
oh shugar, we're talking sex again... :P
 
Xeo
9:23 PM
@Tony And it was you who said that word again. Bad Tony!
 
hi guys :)
how can i increment void* pointer?
 
@omnosis You can't, it doesn't make sense.
 
Eh, good thing we're not talking about XML. Now that's an offensive three-letter word.
 
sbi
@omnosis We're talking dirty. Got something to contribute?
 
@sbi void pointers are dirty :P
 
sbi
9:24 PM
@omnosis Oh, you have.
 
ohh
 
sbi
@Tony I was a tad to late saying the same.
 
i hope so
 
Pointers aren't dirty, memory pages are. :P
 
@sbi haha
@PiotrLegnica when their dirty bits are set....
 
Everyone has a dirty bit.
 
i want to make a dinamic memory allocator class
it gets a pointer and a size and create little objects and so
when i allocate a memory block i need to increase the other pointer which refers to the free space
 
@omnosis a tip: post an SO question
 
Xeo
@Tony better tip: search SO, there are enough answers on that topic
 
sbi
9:27 PM
@omnosis Seriously: Incrementing a pointer by one, doesn't make it point to the next memory address, but to the next memory address beyond the object it used to point to. Consequently, it incrementing a pointer by one needs to increment it by the size of the object it points to. Now, a void* doesn't have a type, so incrementing it isn't possible, because the compiler can't figure out by what it needs to be incremented. That's why you can't increment void pointers in a nutshell.
 
Xeo
@omnosis cast to char*, then add 13
 
@omnosis hahaha best mspaint draw ever :)
 
@Drahakar thanks :D
 
sbi
@Xeo You mean, foul, evil-spirited bastard! He's a newbie! He doesn't know you're pulling his leg!
 
@sbi " Incrementing a pointer by one, doesn't make it point to the next memory address, but to the next memory address beyond the object it used to point to." not sure I get that?
 
9:29 PM
@Tony If you increment int* then it'll really move by sizeof(int).
 
@sbi neither did I
@PiotrLegnica oh I get it
 
@Tony bah. and then how can i allocate different types of memory?...
in a container class
 
sbi
@Tony Isn't that clear? Well, I only had one beer so far. maybe it's time for another trip to the fridge then?
 
@Xeo is that a joke with pointer aliasing rules?
@sbi no I get it now...
 
Xeo
@Tony tbh, I don't know what @sbi means either.
 
9:30 PM
@omnosis Your diagram says bits. C++ doesn't work with bits, it works with bytes. Did you mean that instead?
 
sbi
@omnosis You can't address bits in C++. The smallest addressable unit is a byte. Per definition, a byte is a char, and has at least 8bit.
 
@GMan yes. mistake. sorry
 
Xeo
Oh!
 
@sbi I think you might need to explain?
 
sbi
@Tony Dammit, couldn't you have said that earlier? By ow I already opened that beer!
 
9:31 PM
@omnosis Then like @Xeo says, cast to char* and move byte by byte: char is always a byte, size one.
 
@sbi Enjoy it then :) You're reminding me I'm thirsty... heheh
 
@omnosis But if this is for an allocator, you need to watch out for alignment.
 
@GMan i know. i did it great
 
sbi
@Xeo TBH, I don't know what to call the next address beyond the current object other than, well, "the next address beyond the current object".
 
but i need a little help in memory i guess
if i have a void* memory by the malloc(size_t)
 
sbi
9:32 PM
@omnosis You mean you need help for your memory or for dealing with the computer's memory??
 
@omnosis sorry we can't help you with your memory, wrong place :P
 
i have to cast to something to get the pointers?
 
I have terrible memory, I sometimes forget what I was doing 5 minutes ago.
 
@omnosis Yes.
 
hmm
 
sbi
9:33 PM
@omnosis malloc? You heretic! This is the C++ lounge! The C room is over there!
 
@PiotrLegnica let me remind you, bad puns
 
Xeo
@PiotrLegnica You were visiting tvtropes.
 
@Xeo I RESISTED, OKAY.
Anyway.
 
pff i got confused aboute c memory stuff :D
 
sbi
@Tony Nonono. He said he invented puns, not bad puns. There is a difference, although you wouldn't know by the puns thrown around here.
 
9:35 PM
@omnosis you should start at the beginning and get a book about basic C
 
Xeo
I'm currently wondering how hard it is and how much TMP it would need to interleave a brainfuck "hello, world!" in C++
 
Oh, I know what I forgot about: vim.wikia.com/wiki/…
 
@sbi rofl
 
sbi
@omnosis Why are you using malloc()? If you're doing C++, you should use new.
 
That wasn't very punny day, though.
 
sbi
9:36 PM
@Tony I hope your floor is clean? <worried_look/>
 
@sbi because you know a size_t but no type, how would you allocate memory with new? new void[100]?
 
@sbi looks pretty clean to me... I have minions to do my cleaning. LOL
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica Oh, here the pun was shining splendidly. I was outside in a t-shirt.
 
Hm, clean floor. I think my carpet is slowly gaining conciousness.
 
sbi
@omnosis If you need bytes, you want char (or possibly unsigned char).
So new char[100] it is.
 
9:38 PM
@omnosis Again, depends what you're trying to do.
 
@sbi what is the purpose of unsigned char anyways... I've always wondered... has UNICODE or anything else gone negative on us?
 
i have a general question
if you have to do a c++ memory allocator object
 
Unicode in general doesn't deal with bytes. :P
 
how would you store the data
of the allocated memories
 
@PiotrLegnica char is supposed to store characters no?
 
9:39 PM
@omnosis What do you mean by "memory allocator object"?
 
i have a good solution i guess, only intrested yours
 
@omnosis Writng an allocator for a standard container?
 
sbi
(BTW, that's what's called a "new expression". It does two things: allocating memory by calling the appropriate operator new, and calling the constructor(s) (which, for char, do nothing). You can call operator new directly if you want, but there's very few occasions where you want to.)
 
@sbi Wow! Had no idea you could do something like this! Learning again! :)
 
@Tony Well, yes. But there's Unicode and there's encoded Unicode. Unicode as it is deals with abstract characters, and defines codepoints. Unicode encodings (i.e. UTF-8/16/32, or UCS-2/4) deal with how codepoints are stored in actual bytes.
 
9:41 PM
@GMan you need to create an object which has a alloc method. the object allocate memory by the NEW operator and reallocate to less pieces
 
sbi
@Tony char is an integer type with a very few extra semantics. Depending on the platform, it's either signed or unsigned. If you need a one-byte integer type that's definitely signed or unsigned, you want signed char or unsigned char.
 
@omnosis Is this homework?
 
yes
 
@sbi oh ok, cool
 
i think a very intresting homework
 
Xeo
9:42 PM
Ché. Does anyone know of an active thread on meta demanding that the questions displayed under "related questions" when asking a new at least relate to the language given in the tags if possible?
 
And typically only UTF-8 uses chars anyway, since basic Latin is intended to be backwards compatible with 8-bit encodings, so those codepoints are encoded on single bytes. It uses 2-4 bytes for other characters, though, depending on how far into codepoint range the character is.
 
sbi
In that, char, unsigned char, and signed char are the oddballs among integer types. For all others, int-type is just a synonym for signed int-type. With char, the three are distinct types.
 
@sbi so that essentially means I can use it as just a block of 1 byte memory into which I can store most anything?
 
sbi
@Tony Yep, you can do that.
 
@sbi so char is even different from unsigned char and signed char, I had no idea... WOW I'm learning at a mad rate :)
 
9:43 PM
the question is only aboute how to STORE the data that which memory part has been allocated. you need to use best fit startegy
but this is not really important
 
sbi
@Tony Yeah, at that rate, you have to worry that your learning might surpass you. :)
 
@PiotrLegnica wow so am I the only one who thinks that you have to be a real geek to know all that? or is that supposed to be common programmer knowledge?
@sbi yea.. or I have to have a beer to absorb it all
 
sbi
@omnosis Who's "memory par"?
 
part..
 
sbi
@Tony Here, can have one of mine... Ouch, my arm's too short. :(
 
9:45 PM
@Tony Well, if you deal with text, you should know how encodings work.
 
@sbi thx, got plenty within reach...
@PiotrLegnica you're right... I'm just missing data... I knew about code points though
 
sbi
@omnosis Ah. But I do still have fatal parse errors trying to read that sentence. Is that the beer or is it your sentecne?
 
@sbi it's tina english :P (ouch I'm so harsh)
 
@sbi this is my imperfect english. sorry
 
sorry tina :(
 
9:47 PM
I believe it's called Engrish.
 
Ciggy time :)
 
sbi
@omnosis Ah, don't worry. Your people is one of the very few in Europe who don't speak an Indo-European language, so you have it much harder than we do. :)
@Tony Yeah, here the jokes degrade with the typing. I wonder if that correlates with the amount of beer... :)
@omnosis Anyway, if this would benefit from a reply, you might want to clarify it. (Otherwise don't bother.)
 
today in the train, some old granny suddenly started to ask me things in english.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb What did you do next, pa?
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Hi! You didn't start chatting with "ohhhh". What's wrong today? That old lady messed you up?
 
9:51 PM
i could show off my geeky skillz
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb What, you answered in C++?
 
@sbi which is not clear?
 
some dorks were on the track and the train stopped...
 
sbi
@omnosis The one I referred to. (Please read the newbie hints, linked on the right, to see how referring works.)
@JohannesSchaublitb Don't leave us in suspense!!
What happened to the nice old lady??
 
and the guard talked through the speakers about the matter
the granny asked me "what was that announcement about?".
 
sbi
9:54 PM
AND??
 
Our trains usually stop when there's air on the track.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Did you kick her ass?
 
In random spots.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb IT WAS ABOULS LOLS??
 
9:55 PM
yes I kicked her ass
 
sbi
@PiotrLegnica You owe me a new laptop monitor now. This one's beer-stained.
 
@PiotrLegnica what did you have for dinner?
I almost fell of my chair...
 
sbi
@Tony Oh c'mon! Everybody is anxiously waiting for @Johannes to produce his point, and you ask what some random other user had for dinner!? Did you have too much beer already?
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb You bastard, I'm too old to be able to see this! What happened?!!
 
9:58 PM
@sbi no, I wanted to know where he keeps getting all his puns or jokes... maybe someone put sth in his dinner
@JohannesSchaublitb hahahahahh :P
 
sbi
@Tony Now you're gross. Putting puns into the dinner. Ugh.
 
@sbi :P
 

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