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10:00 PM
Must be Schwarzenegger rubbing off on everyone
 
sbi
@keithlayne It certainly is. Unfortunately, I don't have a recipe for How to Make Your Kids Love Each Other. (Well, maybe except for some commonplaces that are easy to rehash, but hard to do.)
And please do not be intimidated by me seeming to do it all right. Of course, when I tell these stories, I am the good guy who gets this right. That doesn't necessarily need to be the case when my daughter giggles with her friends, though.
 
@sbi Ha, from my experience, siblings don't usually really love and appreciate each other until adulthood, and that no so often as I wish...I hope that I am realistic enough to realize your second point, just didn't want you to think that I'm a total brute
 
Heal the world :)
 
@sbi Thankfully, my kids show genuine affection for each other when not beating the snot out of each other, tattling, etc. However, I cross my fingers, they're still so young.
 
I think any person can do nasty things when he or she gets the impression that the thing to do is regarded as Right by others and/or by authority. The ideas and logic behind it can be however disconnected and faulty, it doesn't matter. Like, last year police in Oslo arrested a mute disabled man in a wheelchair, throwing him out of the wheelchair and harassing him for two hours at the police station because he "refused" to answer their questions
 
sbi
10:08 PM
@keithlayne Here, it seems to have worked out well so far, I'd like to think. Said daughter had some rough time with her next-in-line brother, but nothing that wouldn't be expected around that age, and only for a while. She only yesterday told me how glad she is that the two overcame that, and stick together again.
 
Can you seriously not rotate things in the Visual Studio UML thingy? :|
 
@AlfPSteinbach believe me, I'm a soldier, I concur!
...and that's a big reason I'm soon to be not a soldier
 
Are there any differences by saying like this: ideone.com/lG31o
Both are legit, right?
 
@ManofOneWay does the first compile? I assume it does, but it seems redundant...I'd prefer the second (assuming it works, I think it does)
 
Yes it does
 
10:17 PM
@ManofOneWay ha, I have a small screen, didn't scroll down
 
@keithlayne Are you referring to the compilation info?
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay Within a class template, the class template's name (Node) can be used as an alias for the name of the type (Node<T>).
 
@ManofOneWay never mind, I wasn't paying attention, now I see the dots, I'm dumb
 
That was painful. I just watched a SLOW demonstration of automatic UML sequence diagramming
 
@sbi My opinion is that it's stylistically better too, unless someone tells me why it's not
 
@sbi Okey thanks, then I'll use Node<T> for consistency
 
10:31 PM
Could anyone tell why I have to put my friend operator function before the actual definition of the Node template class? ideone.com/xABKl
@StackedCrooked You're a mac user right?
 
@ManofOneWay yes
 
@ManofOneWay I've always defined the friend operators inlined in the template class definition...since it's a template anyway it makes sense to me to group something inside that has no real meaning outside of the template context
 
@StackedCrooked Did you know you could tab between different items within a program by using cmd-< ? I found it by accident now. I've always wondered how you did that without using "Active Corners and Program Windows"
 
@ManofOneWay Can you give an example?
 
@StackedCrooked Let's say you are using XCode and you have several windows. Now instead of using "Program Windows" (the feature where you can see all windows in small size) you can tab between them using cmd-<
 
10:44 PM
If I type CMD-< (actually shift-command-comma on my US keyboard) then nothing happens (audio bell).
In Xcode I mean.
 
@keithlayne well yes, I don't really see the benefit of having the definition D1 of the operator outside the definition D2 of the template class if the cost for it is to have the D1 above D2
You can see my < is in the bottom left, I don't know if it's the same for you
 
Ah, I need to use cmd-backtick
Nice!
 
anybody here know how to get red grape juice out of carpet?
 
Yeah it's nice actually =)
 
Probably a life-saver when working with Xcode. I always found it clumsy to handle files.
I prefer QtCreator lately.
 
10:49 PM
Hmm... Cross platform? Is it Java based?
I've tried Netbeans, it's written in Java, and it's horribly slow.
 
@ManofOneWay The "Qt" part should hint at C++.
QtCreator is very fast and responsive.
 
@StackedCrooked Yes that's true, it's actually written in C++. Nice =)
I get scared every time I hear cross plattform
 
I would love if there were plugins for QtCreator for all the languages I like...
Last time I looked at the plugins page it seemed like everything was incomplete and dead
 
11:05 PM
Time to sleep! Good night
 
11:22 PM
@sbi I have a critical question for you...
 
@keithlayne I've used for developing a Google Chrome plugin (HTML + JavaScript). It works, but it's not perfect.
 
@sbi Do you drink your beer warm or cold these days in Germany?
@StackedCrooked I like it in general...I prefer c++ so I use it a lot. Pretty much would love an IDE that could support all that Eclipse does without being....well, Eclipse.
QtCreator could do anything, just the community support is not there
I think people in open source land still have lingering issues about its licensing from back in the day
 
Some people do everything in emacs.
 
but....KDE has a pretty big user base, hopefully they don't all use kdevelop
I definitely have a little love for emacs, it is super-configurable, and I love lisp
I just screw everything up when I rarely use it because now my fingers are wired for vi for quick editing
Maybe I should invest some time in some creator plugins, I need a project
I started writing one once but got busy and never really did anything with it
I was thinking features like <right click>->add new template specialization type stuff
 
@keithlayne That's how most hobby-projects end.
I would like a real Vim plugin for QtCreator. It currently has the FakeVim plugin but it is too limited (no macros for example).
 
11:37 PM
it's funny, I use vim all the time but I never harness 1% of its power
 
11:48 PM
I have a colleague who is fairly proficient with Vim and I learned a few things simply by observing.
If you type "sudo a && b" then does the sudo apply only to "a" or to both?
 

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