Conversation started Feb 3, 2013 at 15:48.
Feb 3, 2013 15:48
It seems like the question up-voting standards are much more strict on stackoverflow than they are on gamedeveloppement stackexchange. When should I up-vote a stackoverflow question? My intuition tells me that I up-vote too often.
the c++ standard requires that int f() { return 4; } be a function
@JesseEmond Gamedev.se is a massive pile of shite.
@JesseEmond Nope. You're actually contributing to society.
but secondly
voting is a personal thing; nobody can tell you when to up or down vote, except if you're abusing it (e.g. serial up/downvoting).
@DeadMG .se? I thought it's .net.
Feb 3, 2013 15:49
@DeadMG Why would it be? It provides in-depth gamedev answers with a lot of specialists in the matter where stackoverflow fails (for the gamedev aspect, I mean).
@tom_mai78101 Different sites. Gamedev.se is StackOverflow for game development. Gamedev.net is unrelated.
Oh, sorry.
@JesseEmond IME, it does not provide in-depth gamedev answers at all. The people on there knew less than me and I'd only done a tiny smidge. I could go for weeks trying to get useful answers off there, and then get one in half an hour from SO. In addition, they're just amazingly terrible programmers, even if they know one end of a 3D vector from another.
@DeadMG One major factor is the size of the community.
Feb 3, 2013 15:52
@DeadMG hint: there are no ends on vectors. At least not per se. Strictly speaking.
@rubenvb I know. It's a figure of speech.
@DeadMG When was that? The community changed quite a bit. It differs a lot from SO where the questions are more broad than specific. You won't get answers for very rare situations, that's for sure. The community grew quite a bit since.
TIL a figure of speech isn't strictly speaking.
@DeadMG Really? Didn't know that. You're smart.
Fuck. I need the MSVS2012 without the IDE and .net cruft
@rubenvb Pay for royalties to use the MSVS compiler. >:D
Feb 3, 2013 15:54
@tom_mai78101 I have Dreamspark access that's not the issue. It's the cruft that's the issue.
Where are the days of the Windows SDK v7.
Good times.
got the answer from SO
@rubenvb You can still download that somewhere.
@rubenvb You can invoke cl from the command line,.
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@ComFreek > The Windows SDK no longer ships with a complete command-line build environment. You must install a compiler and build environment separately.
Feb 3, 2013 15:56
@JesseEmond Upvote something that's well-written, well-presented, relevant and correct. It's pretty obvious I think.
@All: I need the new C++11 stuff in the 2012 version, and I do not want to install GBs of cruft for a bunch of headers, libraries and compilers.
@JesseEmond When do you upvote?
And the Windows SDK 8 does not contain compilers. Wake up.
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@rubenvb GCC
@Fanael yes, present, but I'd like to test all of GCC, Clang and MSVC.
Feb 3, 2013 15:57
@Fanael I haven't read that, sorry.
I'll wait for initializer_list library support.
maybe that's a better idea.
and remove my boost wrapping macro magic.
clean up the code a bit.
@DeadMG Yes and no. There obviously have to be well-defined constraints for a voting system otherwise nobody knows what the result means. For example, in an election, "vote for the person who you want running the country". You can't just present a form with some boxes and say "here you go, just pick someone for whatever reason, because this is democracy and I can't tell you why you should vote for any particular person"
Similarly, the casting of upvotes and downvotes has well-defined semantics in a "correct" SO action (where "correct" means "as designed and intended").
For a Bluetooth device, if I were to start connecting to another device, I have to keep its UUID for the entire connection, until I disconnect?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The constraints are determined by the effects of voting one way or the other. In this case, upvoting rewards the poster and gives the post additional visibility.
@DeadMG Correct! And that's how we determine when you should upvote.
Feb 3, 2013 15:59
so you upvote if you like it and not if you don't.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I guess that's what I do. Sometimes, however, I have a tendency to up-vote a question simply because it brought interesting answers on the table, even if the answer wasn't particularly good. I guess I should be careful with that.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Right, but what I mean to say is that nobody can tell you if you do or don't like a post.
or when you like it enough to think it deserves upvoting.
@JesseEmond Question voting should have nothing to do with answers. Answers have separate scores.
@DeadMG Yep
I downvoted that Eric Lippert post that accrued 4000 upvotes or whatever it was
Nobody can tell you what vote to cast, but we can tell why you should cast a particular vote in a certain direction if you want to be a good SOtizen.
Feb 3, 2013 16:00
@DeadMG First world Anarchist, right here.
Some people are so bad with computers...
Sometimes I think people just want to leave the casting of a vote completely up to the individual to mean whatever the heck they choose, out of some bizarre notion that this is important for a democratic system (and let's not even get to the weirdness that is people's overzealous and patriarchal defence of such systems)
@Crowz The 8th layer on the OSI model.
Sometimes, I use @<name> to denote what I'm talking about in the chat.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit More like, protection against corruption.
Feb 3, 2013 16:04
@DeadMG Defining what you're supposed to be voting for doesn't cause corruption
I can't rig an election by telling you what the election is about
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We already did define what we're voting for.
I can't rig a SO question score by saying "you should upvote if the question is good"
user142019
@Crowz s/Some/Most/
@DeadMG Yeah - I'm talking about those people who don't like that. They exist in droves :(
You can tell others that the election I'm rigging is about electing someone.
Feb 3, 2013 16:04
oic
Particularly the "I counteracted the downvote" people. Grr
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If downvote > upvotes, sir?
My mom called asking for me to help her with computer things, I said "highlight it. Now press control-x" and she was like "OH GOD IT'S GONE WHAT'D I DO?"
It's a shame that SO voting can't be a secret ballot
@LightnessRacesinOrbit inorite, those people are scum
Feb 3, 2013 16:05
@tom_mai78101 ?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm saying, if there's more downvotes than upvotes, do you still counteract those people who downvoted?
@tom_mai78101 I would never cast a vote simply to "undo" someone else's vote.
@Crowz Start teching her. She's becoming a dying generation of computer-not-in-the-know. :(
I downvote bad posts and upvote good ones, and if everyone just followed that pattern then everything would be great. Unfortunately some people seem to like "undoing" downvotes by upvoting, even when they did not actually think the post was worthy of an upvote, just because they didn't think it was quite worthy of a downvote either. I mean, sure, that's your opinion, but that's your opinion of my opinion and you're not supposed to be voting on that. You're supposed to be voting on the post.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Would you do the same if the downvote was actually an error?
Feb 3, 2013 16:08
@tom_mai78101 What do you mean "an error"? How can a downvote be an "error"?
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit An UB in somebody's mind.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Such as, I wanted to give an upvote, but I accidentally clicked on downvote without realizing until later, when I received a notification asking for why I downvoted that post.
@tom_mai78101 How do I know that you did that? How do I know that your vote was a mistake? If you're aware of it then you fix it; if not, you can't tell me about it.
@tom_mai78101 It's annoying to teach people who are too impatient to learn... I already have a tutoring job, don't need another!
user784668
@tom_mai78101 Then you click on upvote when you realize you misclicked.
Feb 3, 2013 16:09
Anyone have experience with embarcadero C++ 6.5? As in: how is its C++11?
All of the actions mentioned above about downvoting -> upvoting is counteracting what you stated way way above.
@rubenvb Basically none, AFAIK. Apache keeps an up-to-date chart.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If a notification was sent from the sender asking for "why the downvote" to a very good post, and the person who has given the downvote without realizing it goes back to check on the post to see if there are any other answers/comments, and then actually realized that it (the person I'm speaking of) had made a mistake and wants to correct it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's how I know I did a mistake.
@DeadMG I did find out it's the new Borland compiler.
man
I'm busy trying to read a scientific article about ultrasounds of the G-spot, but now the website won't load.
bastards.
Feb 3, 2013 16:14
@DeadMG wat?
G-spots can make ultrasounds?
I doubt it
they made ultrasounds of one more likely
@tom_mai78101 Then they can correct it. It's not my right to presume to do that for them.
Oh! I read "reading a scientific article about ultrasounds from the G-spot..."
And I was like, wat? and did a double take. Dude, it's radical.
28 seconds on Clang x86, 36 with GCC x64.
Feb 3, 2013 16:18
UUID, must stay active throughout Bluetooth connection, correct? (Y/N)
user784668
@rubenvb What you measuring?
@Fanael The time it takes a debug build of Ambrosia to build itself.
Could I write initializer_list constructors out-of-line for MSVS2012's CTP compiler?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: how do you know whether someone is upvoting just to compensate for a downvote that someone else cast or because he thinks (perhaps mistakenly, not judging) that the answer is good/useful/right?
@AndyProwl Because they leave a comment like "+1 to counteract the downvote"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: aha. I've never seen that. Well that's dumb.
Feb 3, 2013 16:27
@AndyProwl Then they go on meta and write things like this
@AndyProwl It is indeed
 
Conversation ended Feb 3, 2013 at 16:28.