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7:00 PM
Thanks guys
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well, just ping me if you're helping @rlemon with NodeJS things. I'll read through the transcript
Got to sleep now
Got an exam tomorrow
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum get those upvotes rolling then
 
See you guys!
 
see you, and good luck tomorrow!
 
Thanks
 
7:00 PM
@AmaanCheval sure
 
alright
gotta go
@dystroy cya tomorrow
 
@GNi33 The point is that this is something bad about SO, I think the amount of upvotes a question gets in the first 24 hours should be somehow limited
 
what does this have to do with the amount of upvotes in the first 24 hours?
 
@AmaanCheval key to doing well in the exam is to picture your teacher as megan fox.. then to picture her naked... and you underneath her.
 
i just see the problem that a lot of great answers get completely unnoticed because they're not under some famous tag or whatever
 
7:02 PM
works every time ;)
 
the amount of upvotes on 3-line answers is the problem
 
@rlemon Seriously, man, you don't want to do that in an Indian school.
 
@GNi33 A lot of stupid answers get a lot of upvotes real quick because users who come in and read the newest SO questions upvote because 'they sympathize' , most of those rarely contribute to SO in the long term. Like silly jQuery questions who have closely related answer the OP could have just applied to their problem
 
Eeek wrong room. Meh you know what to do with it right?
;)
 
7:03 PM
hi all
 
But picturing Megan Fox is alright
 
Great ... I fucked up. Got SSL working but somehow got it to not listen on port 80 now.
 
@PeeHaa What's a cv-pls ?
 
@AmaanCheval that is why that is the first step ;)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah, and then the answer-rush begins
 
7:03 PM
iz all good once you see Megan Fox
 
@GNi33 Fastest gun in the west
 
Haha
 
single-line just to be the first, edit in some mere details later
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum gist.github.com/1689430 .
 
ohhh and then there are answers like these.. stackoverflow.com/questions/7558648/… tbh the question was bogus and idk how I got 13 upvotes on it
 
7:04 PM
then i sit there, writing out some a little longer answer where i actually try to explain what's happening and give some insight
 
@PeeHaa What's a gist?
 
however OP not accepting is not cool
 
lol @BenjaminGruenbaum
;)
 
3 - 4 new answers to this post.
"oh fuck it, cancel"
 
@rlemon LOL, OP should accept
 
7:05 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum you da new dontusethisnick
 
@GNi33 Lol, I'm actually pretty good at answering fast, but I actively try to avoid answering that sort of questions recently.
 
yeah, i don't do anymore either
i mean, i could have a lot more than my 50 answers, but i just stopped at some point. should get into the game again a little more
 
the more recent answers I have given were on questions posted in here or VERY old questions with out dated (albeit accepted) answers
 
@@@@@@@ GUYS
skype is a webapp
 
@Darkyen your a webapp
 
7:07 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum no on windows 8
the metro skype runs inside wwahost.exe
 
@rlemon Yeah, I tag-search node.js and fish for interesting questions
 
which is fucking awesome!
 
@Darkyen you're windows 8?!?
 
[javascript] -[jquery]
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i am running windows 8
 
7:07 PM
I usually go for this search string
 
cause my h/w is too new
 
Here is a queue we can all enjoy working on
 
i killed wwahost for 100s of ips
connected to it and skype died instantly
 
@rlemon there are still jQuery questions in there. :/ Quickly, tag them!
 
Braces should only appear on the left if ()\n{, not on the right
 
7:18 PM
hey the a name entry took.
I'm so bauce. when I get home tonight I will figure out what the fuck else I need to do :P
 
@rlemon Implement webrtc
 
@SOChatBot did you just say opening curly braces should go on a new line?
 
Yes
 
@SOChatBot In JavaScript?
 
Looks at what room is loaded in... ... Yes
 
7:20 PM
@dystroy @dystroy, @BenjaminGruenbaum, I think using chrome.storage.sync, I will still have the same problem. because in order to retrieve items from storage, I have to call chrome.storage.local.get(null, function (Items) {console.log(Items)}); . And this will just act like sendMessage. and process control will jump after the statement, without waiting to get Items. Right?
 
@SOChatBot For everything including object literals?
 
Yes
Except, only for IF statements.
 
so if(x) {spam} is wrong? if (x) {
} is also wrong?
 
@SOChatBot Dev tools > JavaScript Console and type
(function () {
return
{
x: 10
}
}());
 
but as a test, quick. everyone open this page, leave it open for a minute, and close it.
 
7:23 PM
@RyanSmith That is not an IF statement. Argument Invalid.
 
yay 4 connections
 
@rlemon its open. now what?
 
you people love me
I'm just making sure it is reading all connections properlly.
this is the furthest i've ever gotten with node.js
 
@SOChatBot When I asked you if you meant everything including object literals you said yes...
 
how come when i hit Ctrl + u i only get text?
 
3 mins ago, by SO ChatBot
Except, only for IF statements.
 
@rlemon -1 too much javascript ;)
 
@PeeHaa well I was like 30% into doing this with PHP long polling... then smartened up ;)
 
@SOChatBot Fair enough, missed that.
 
@PeeHaa your website has WAY too much JS dude.
 
7:25 PM
@rlemon websockets in PHP work pretty good
 
yea, but here is the thing. I know PHP - so this isn't much of a challenge. I don't know node.js so this is a huge challenge.
challenges are fun
 
Node.js <3
 
@PeeHaa Dude, you're seriously comparing doing this sort of stuff with PHP and node.js ?
 
(only if i'm not getting paid for them. otherwise easy is the new hard)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes!
@rlemon Fair enough
 
7:26 PM
@PeeHaa LOL, that's like comparing programming in Brainfuck compared to programming in Python ^_^
 
lol
 
lol damn, don't store the server in the main directory :P
haha now I have to think about a whole new set of security shit
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Neh. Setting up a WS server in PHP is pretty
 
node.js is optimized for this, PHP is optimized for SQL injection
 
7:27 PM
@FlorianMargaine any though on something like that: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/8516700#8516700
 
totes visible. :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum PHP can be faster than node
 
yeah. The only site I did with node should be redone with PHP actually :?
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, your friends at the PHP room kept saying that but failed to produce any benchmarks or back up their claim. Also, php is a poor choice for this for a bunch of other reasons
 
@rlemon How come you are extending the array prototype with remove?
 
7:28 PM
if I turn off my car I can pee faster than it can drive.
@RyanSmith so I can users.remove(user)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum retroships.com
 
also, Array should have had this to begin with
 
lots of image processing
would be way faster in php
 
@PeeHaa, on that, @rdlowrey It has been over a month, I'm still waiting for those benchmarks
 
mainly with the api I provide for users
 
7:29 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think he is tweaking the templates
 
@Loktar but is that a fault of the language, the libraries, or the server technology
 
@rlemon isn't there a function that will do that anyway?
 
I blame the server tech
 
@RyanSmith splice, but I need to find the index first.
 
@rlemon Array.indexOf() or something like that
 
7:30 PM
is GD core? iirc it is a library, so it's slowness is not a fault of php, rather GD
 
@RyanSmith but there is no clean way to do it.
so I made one
 
@Loktar I still do not understand what it's meant to be used to
 
@tereško you just made me sad :(
 
@dievardump eh, for games or whatever :P
 
7:31 PM
can we all start tagging those please
 
@PeeHaa I'm still waiting for it, over a month now. From my experience most developers who use PHP for WebSockets, or generally that sort of thing are just inexperienced with node.js . I'm not saying that PHP is bad for this, I'm saying node.js is awesome for that sort of thing. node.js was built from the ground up with the sole purpose of doing this.
 
@rlemon I would make the code inside remove do something like Array.splice(Array.indexOf(obj), 1)
 
@rlemon man, that's a lot of work... maybe I'll just script it.
 
@rlemon i cannot .. not this month =/
 
yeah node.js and websockets is a no brainer
 
7:32 PM
@canon that would get you banned quite quickly
 
you can find benchmarks online vs php
 
@RyanSmith re-usability mate, it's called a utility function. :P
 
@Loktar generally, for restful apis, push-capabilities stuff, node.js is awesome.
 
yeah I totally agree
for image processing Im going to try out php, see if I get a significant increase in perf
 
routing in php for restful apis is not always fun
 
7:33 PM
@tereško pfft, not with an appropriate, random delay.
 
even with frameworks it can be a big PITA
 
alright, screw it, this will have to do for today
 
@rlemon It's a lot of code though in that function compared to someArray.splice(someArray.indexOf(obj), 1) unless you plan to change the comparison or something similar.
 
@tereško automation is not frowned upon if it is not malicious. I have automated some stuff in here and asked the mods if it was ok and they said there are no rules against it
 
@PeeHaa I see @rdlowrey's progress in the Dart lang room where he is talking with Levi about it. From the looks of it he is going to do it the way node.js did this initially, before they improved it a lot. It is going to be slower (since he is using a slower vm) and probably less useful because JavaScript was optimized for event-based non-blocking IO from day one. I'd still use PHP for some stuff, defiantly not stuff like what @rlemon is doing
 
7:34 PM
@rlemon maybe we should update description ... something like [ruby's description] : The Ruby tag is for questions related to: (..) anything Ruby-related except Ruby on Rails.
 
possibly.
but RoR is a full blown framework. jQuery is just a toolkit
albeit it is seen as a framework, I don't think we should push that association
 
okay, i'm off, see you guys
 
emm .. i fail to see how that i related to this
 
@RyanSmith LoC are meaningless, performance for this is moot. Readability and maintenance is key. overloading Array prototype for this is not a bad idea.
 
jquery questions should be separated from javascript question , because most of those have nothing to do with language
 
7:36 PM
@tereško point is, it's not automated voting or anything. it's a cleanup script = no one will care (mods)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's like reading a brochure ;)
 
but then all library specific questions should not be tagged javascript
^ which I agree with. but not likely to be well enforced.
 
i still fail to see a problem with that
 
Like saying Toyota's shouldn't be tagged with car...
 
@PeeHaa I do appreciate his effort though :)
@rlemon Does syntax highlighting work if questions are not tagged with the language?
 
7:38 PM
jQuery is Javascript, a relationship js devs try to make sure noobies know about
by dissociating the two you make it more confusing for noobs, or reinforce that jQuery is jQuery and not JS.
 
@rlemon noone can even enforce keeping separate from generic questions ... there is no hope for
 
@Loktar "problem with Toyota muffler from a <model><year> can anyone help me find a replacement?" [Toyota] [Muffler] [Car] [Metal] [Mineral Composition] [Molecules] [Atoms] [jQuery]
 
@Loktar The question isn't about JavaScript, it's about the specific library
 
@rlemon Fair enough, I just don't see the benefit to maintenance and readability unless you plan to customise how it compares the objects by passing in a function or something similar.
 
@Loktar 99% of jquesr users do not know javascript, henceforth , the questions are NOT about javascript
 
7:39 PM
@rlemon Solid jQuery tag
 
guys you know theres that piece of js that you can paste into the addresss bar and you can edit the page?
 
@tereško That's a made up statistic
 
@RyanSmith because Arr.remove(el) is a lot easier to write 15 times over than your solution
my shit server obviously isn't all the code.
 
eh idk, I just see it as I hate jQuery, stop associating JS with it
 
and I didn't write those functions specific for this purpose. they are utility functions I keep around
 
7:40 PM
not really a benefit to the community.
 
if i hit ctrl u after i edit, will it show the edited code?
 
@Loktar jQuery was an example, think smaller like a Ember.js question that is only relevant to the Ember.js API
does that get tagged [javascript]
 
They are still tagged with ember.
I see no problem with over tagging.
 
pollutes other tags.
 
most canvas questions are tagged html5, and js.
 
7:41 PM
what if I want to search for pure js questions, library free. atm I am unaware of how to do that
 
pure-js tag imo
 
yes but Array.prototype.remove = function (el) {return this.splice(this.indexOf(el), 1); }; would still allow you to use someArray.remove(el) just the remove function would be less code.
 
@Loktar the problem are the topic that are tagged with but not for library-specific tag
 
@RyanSmith but if I do change how it is done down the line then i'm better off.
 
fuck it , i cannot spell today
 
7:42 PM
@rlemon Introduce the vanilla-js tag
 
would be trashed before it was accepted
 
@RyanSmith and if index is -1?
 
good point
 
guys you know theres that piece of js that you can paste into the addresss bar and you can edit the page?if i hit ctrl u after i edit, will it show the edited code?
 
7:43 PM
nm, guess it doesn't care
 
@deep view-source shows you a re-server rendered block
 
heh its really a moot point anyway, because there are thousands of questions asked daily, and people will tag them with jquery/js/i-like-turtles.
 
@rlemon Yes that's what I was saying. That was the only way I could see that implementation benefiting maintainability.
 
meaning?
 
7:43 PM
if you load a page, make a server change, then view source you will see the server changed code.
it makes a new request and pulls that code
the inspector shows you what is live (js rendered code as well)
 
@canon Good point!
 
@RyanSmith but if I don't know then it is always smarter to write yourself more robust utilities.
 
> If a library or framework is used, then tag the question with the appropriate tags: jquery for jQuery, prototypejs for Prototype, mootools for MooTools, and so on. However, if a framework is not used/necessary, do not include these tags.
 
@rlemon so the latest?
 
7:44 PM
LoC is not a valid argument anymore - and performance is moot here.
 
wiki even says to tag appropriately along with JS :p
 
@tereško T O D A Y
 
@rlemon That's cool.
 
Easy.
What did I win?
woooooooooooooo
 
^*2
@rlemon Sorry, but what does LoC stand for?
!!/urban LoC
 
7:45 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum loc Library of Congress (Web site is www.loc.gov)
 
Lines of Code
 
Oh
Lines of code was never an argument for anything
 
Library of Congress lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it is to some
ninja one liners are fun though
 
!!/urban code monkey
 
7:46 PM
@Shmiddty [code monkey](http://code-monkey.urbanup.com/406836) An affectionate term for a specific kind of underpaid, overworked (often by volition), increasingly underappreciated indentured servant, otherwise known as a Software Programmer.

Derrived from the Latin-Greek "Codex" and the Obsolete-Japanese "Donkey Kong San"
 
That reminds me.... Why the fuck was it called "Donkey Kong" when he is a Monkey! Shouldn't it be "Monkey Kong"?
 
@SOChatBot haha
 
!!/urban donkey kong
 
@Shmiddty donkey kong A term used to describe a black male who is boorish and ill mannered.
 
or for the pedants, "Ape Kong"
 
7:48 PM
@rlemon bad phone connection
 
@rlemon It was Donkey because Miyamoto erroneously thought that "Donkey" literally meant "Jackass".
 
@ShotgunNinja really?
what did he think Kong meant?
 
Come on... it was fair!
 
@rlemon Not really, it was actually a faxing error.
 
7:49 PM
i just created a while statement and my freaking computer crashed.. google chrome sandbox ... not sure
 
@ShotgunNinja there are lots of rumors.
The bad phone connection is the one I've heard most.
and wtf @ShotgunNinja LOL
fax??
 
Shigeru Miyamoto, the character's creator, used the English word "donkey" to evoke the animal's stereotypical stubbornness. (There was no translation error; the game has the same name, "Donkii Kongu", in Japan.) "Kong" is because, in Japan, "King Kong" has become a generic term for any large ape.
Thus, Donkey Kong is a stubborn large ape.
 
You know when Donkey kong was orginally created right?
 
@Happyninja did it involewhile (true)?
 
heh crazy, the snopes article has the fax story too
> The bottom line is that no evidence backs up any of the explanations that the name "Donkey Kong" came about because of a misread fax, mispronunciation, or mistranslation. Shigeru Miyamoto, the game's inventor and the one person who unquestionably knows the origins of the name he chose, has repeatedly affirmed that he used the word "donkey" to convey a sense of stubbornness and the name "Kong" to invoke the image of a gorilla.
 
7:50 PM
@deep yeah :{ i'm terrible
 
yea there seems to be a lot of "speculation" on how the name came to be
 
@OctavianDamiean That's too bad. But now they have already tricked me into taking their paid offer by ordering an RPi
 
@Happyninja Lol. basically its an infinite loop if you didnt know.
Want an example?
 
eh I guess telephone faxes became popular in the 70's
 
@deep when i realized it was too late
 
7:51 PM
@Happyninja lol
 
while(1) { console.log('you poor bastard'); }
 
@rlemon Hahaha
 
@deep i was under the impression google chrome sandbox would prevent it from taking the whole computer resource. I shall never assume again
 
uifeces.com (sometimes you just need shit to test a page)
 
7:53 PM
@Happyninja Fair play out of interest what time is it where you guys are?
 
@deep 15h56
 
4pm?
 
@deep yes
 
@rlemon That issue appears to have been solved
 
@Loktar OMG so tempted.... ultimate filler service
images text etc.
 
7:54 PM
its 8here where are you?
 
lol
 
@rlemon Correct
 
@deep canada, near ottawa,you?
 
I just bought like 2 more domains the other day, so Im too backlogged on ideas :(
 
is that the east side of canada?
 
7:54 PM
My wife will have the most realtor sites in Omaha! :P (probably Nebraska)
 
@deep yes
 
and birmingham, england
 
First person to show up at my door gets a beer
 
rlemon is in the kitchener, making me a sandwich
2
 
Woo, I'm in Milwaukee, not too far!
 
7:57 PM
you didn't say sudo, Permission denied. Connection terminated by host.
@Loktar seriously dude, look how close ann arbor is.
 
I know :?
Im becoming wishy washy on moving now though
 
London is 40 min drive from me, to get to the other side is about an hour
hahahaha, "shit, I didn't realize how close to rlemon I would be... HEY HUN! WE ARN'T MOVING ANYMORE! GO TELL THE KIDS!"
 
haha
 
Theres a place called london in america? (oer canada?)
 

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