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Ell
7:05 PM
Hi guise
no mumble anymore :o
 
Woa, snow.
 
7:20 PM
Indeed. It just started hard-snowing down here.
 
user142019
Not here. :<
 
That's a good thing?
 
user142019
No. I like snow.
 
Also, I wonder if there's a reverse_find is the std::lib...
 
user142019
find(reverse(...))
 
Ell
7:21 PM
time to learn bcel
also kewl animation! :D
 
user142019
@ThePhD maybe there is an iterator reverser. :P
 
o_O
 
user142019
I don't know.
 
user142019
@Ell what's that?
 
Might be.
 
user142019
7:22 PM
@sehe! Where have you been all day.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- byte code engineering library
for jvm bytecode :3
 
user142019
What does it do?
 
@Zoidberg'-- Singing
 
user142019
@sehe Sounds fun. Was it fun?
 
@Zoidberg'-- Sorta. And cold
 
user142019
7:23 PM
Sounds fun.
 
It was for 'charity'. Bit long though. We did 'human jukebox' from 12:00-16:30h
 
@ThePhD supply find with reverse iterators
 
@yurikilochek Don't have those, unfortunately.
I haven't made reverse-iterators for Encoded Text Data yet.
 
But, in the Jenever Museum, so it could be worse (?!)
 
user142019
Sounds fun.
 
7:24 PM
So far I've only built EncodeOne and AdvancingEncodeOne into my TextEncoding libraries.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- ermm you can inject your own code I believe
 
@ThePhD are your iterators bidirectional?
 
@yurikilochek No, forward-pass unfortunately.
 
user142019
Today I did sleeping and programming and designing a new web app.
 
user142019
@ThePhD THEN HOW DO YOU WANT REVERSED FIND
 
7:25 PM
I read this chat all day and yesterday instead of working on almost overdue project :)
 
@Zoidberg'-- Just trying to figure it out. :3c
 
if so, plug them into reverse_iterator
 
Iterators are still new to me anyhow.
 
and you get reverse iterators for free
 
Trying to figure out how all this magic works.
 
7:26 PM
oh, aha, I got Necromancer (again, maybe?) for that C# full outer join answer.
I haven't quite overtaken the accepted answer, yet, though
@yetihehe s/:)/:(/g
 
sbi
Good evening.
 
it was mad smile
 
sbi
Can somebody tellme what to make of this:
@sbi you are such tosser — user336359 3 hours ago
Because I don't know what that means.
 
user142019
I have five necromancer badges.
 
A baby tosser? A frisbee tosser?
A football tosser?
Sbi's secretly a quarterback?!
 
7:29 PM
@sbi Reply with "And you are losser".
 
sbi
Hey! It was me asking the question, and you were supposed to answer.
@yetihehe When I don't even know what it means? Are you nuts? The guy might take that as an invitation for sex. Nononono. I want to know what it means, not what you guys think would be an appropriate/witty/hilarious thing for me to answer.
 
If anything I think tosser is Australian / British lingo for jerk.
 
user142019
Lingo is a Dutch TV show.
 
Ell
@ThePhD a "tosser" means "one who masturbates"
but nobody uses it for that, it's an offensive term
alternately one can say "She tossed me off last night" (Speaker received a handjob from mentioned person)
 
7:34 PM
WE GET IT.
 
sbi
@yetihehe "...if you dont know what any of those words mean, dont use them." See!
 
I didn't use them
 
sbi
@yetihehe But you wanted me to.
 
Hm.
I need to find an opposite of the word "Advancing"
 
No, I wanted you to use losser
 
7:35 PM
@sbi So, you're masturbating?
 
What's the equivalent of going backwards from "Advancing"?
 
Ell
regressing?
 
Devancing? Backwarding?
REGRESSINGENCODEONE
 
user142019
@Ell What about a dwarf tosser? Is that ambiguous?
 
@ThePhD Revert?
 
7:36 PM
@ThePhD retreating
 
Ell
hmm not regressing
@Zoidberg'-- yeah that's ambiguous :L
 
RevertingEncodeOne
 
Recede (regress is spot on, IYAM)
 
user142019
lol
 
@sehe Hey, I tried to logging in on Mumble but it keeps hammering me for a password. Whatever I try, I can't log on.
 
7:36 PM
IYAM.... If You Ask Me?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Well, according to some user336359, anyway. For whatever that's worth.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Interesting. I'd have to install a mubmle client on my media-centre makeshift deskop :)
 
sbi
@Zoidberg'-- <pawloving> But don't tell the Elf! </pawloving>
 
RecedingEncodeOne, RegressingEncodeOne, RetreatingEncodeOne
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel on my machine it just works. :/
 
7:37 PM
I like regress, Receding is shorter to type... probably won't go for Retreating.
 
user142019
loungecpp.sehe.nl, default port.
 
@ThePhD Yes, IYAM
 
@Zoidberg'-- Well, that's the thing. I never actually used Mumble on this machine before. I just installed it, and figured I might as well test it by connecting to @sehe's server.
 
Apparently there's only one person in Templates: The Gathering
 
Ell
I didn't think you could say "regressing"?
ahh thephd is being shy again :3
 
7:40 PM
I'm not shy!
My, uh. Voicebox exploded.
 
Ell
ahh gotcha ;)
 
user142019
@ThePhD okay, "programmer-like".
 
BacktrackingEncodeOne
 
sbi
@ThePhD What is that, anyway?
 
user142019
dammit
 
7:42 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I get the same problem. Hmmm. Not sure when I can check it out
 
user142019
I'm trying to make a web app but the designer isn't collaborating.
 
Magic: The Gathering (MTG; also known as Magic) is the first trading card game, created by Richard Garfield and introduced in 1993 by Wizards of the Coast. Magic continues to thrive, with approximately twelve million players . Magic can be played by two or more players each using a deck of printed cards or a deck of virtual cards through the Internet-based ' or third-party programs. Each game represents a battle between mighty wizards, known as "planeswalkers", who employ spells, items, and creatures depicted on individual Magic cards to defeat their opponents. Although the original co...
 
So, wait, I heard there's a mumble server going around?
I mean another one?
 
@ThePhD That was copy pasted from someone else.
 
Interesting @THePhd and @Ell are successfully logged in
 
7:43 PM
Oh.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is Templates: The Gathering?
 
Well, fuck it, I'm booting my MBP
 
@ThePhD are you trying to decode stream backwards?
 
@Pubby You only need write access.
@sbi Fred punning.
 
@yurikilochek Yerp. I'm going to decode unicodes stuff backwards. It's gonna be awesome. :D
 
7:44 PM
@ThePhD WHY?
 
24 hours ago, by FredOverflow
Templates are magic, eh? How about we name this room "Templates: The Gathering"? :)
 
@yurikilochek So I can do LastIndexOf( codepoint c );
 
@Zoidberg'-- embiggen it
@Zoidberg'-- wow. meh. 10%
 
Alright, so.
I can login from my MBP
But not from my PC
Probably a certificate thing
 
@EtiennedeMartel MBP?
 
7:45 PM
MacBookPro
 
user142019
@sehe is that possible if there is already data on it? o.o
 
Oh. Of course
 
Also, yeah, I was gonna say I only got Mumble today but I noticed the certificates thing.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Why not? Gparted et al.
 
user142019
@sehe but what happens if there is a file stored in the last sector of the other partition (which needs to be emsmallened)?
 
7:46 PM
@ThePhD It's normal TLS stuff.
@Zoidberg'-- It gets moved. If there is no free space whatsoever, online resizing may be refused
 
user142019
Ah okay. Cool.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes He said: Apparently there's only one person in Templates: The Gathering. And I wanted to know where that is.
 
user142019
I'll try that tomorrow.
 
@ThePhD Is it unacceptable to store your strings directly as continious codepoint arrays?
 
@sbi Oh. I meant in the loungecpp.sehe.nl Mumble server. I had named it 'Templates: The Gathering' in my favorites.
 
7:47 PM
@Zoidberg'-- A number of fs-es support grow, but not shrink (e.g. xfs). A number do online grow but only offline shrink (ext2 last time I checked)
 
user142019
I'm using ext4 for both root and home.
 
@ThePhD WIN
 
Wait, I think I got this
 
@Zoidberg'-- Well, you can just ext2resize it online, IIRC. gparted is the nicest gooey on that
 
sbi
@ThePhD Ah, and since we all have access to your favorite folder, I should of course have known...
 
7:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, do let me know
 
@sehe I have to export my certificate from my old machine, and import it in the new one.
 
@sbi Sorry about that. :c
 
Ell
I think etienne just connected but I missed it :3
 
@EtiennedeMartel huh. That just means that client certificate generation is borked on the lastest stable installer. (Windows assumed). Lemme check the unstable installer
 
@sehe Nah, that's becaused I registered on your server before.
 
7:51 PM
Heey, there's Etienne!
 
When I installed, I clicked "create new certificate" like an idiot.
What I should have done instead was to import my existing certificate.
 
sbi
Like a pro.
 
sbi
It's all irrelevant soon anyway.
 
Awww, Etienne left. :c
 
7:54 PM
@sbi Why aren't you on Mumble?
 
Oh wait he came back!
 
(That old running gag)
 
Everyone's got deep, burly voices.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel What should I do on there?
 
It's pretty intimidating.
 
7:54 PM
@sbi Talk?
 
@sbi Intimidate me with your manly voice.
 
With whippersnappers like us.
 
Ell
@ThePhD we still haven't heard your voice yet
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Why would I want to talk when I can chat?
 
@sbi Talking has a different feel.
 
7:55 PM
@Ell Because it's not manly enough to handle the combined manliness level of the chat.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You registered. So that means, you got identified by your certificate. That's horrific UX design there. But it sort-of makes sense.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I know. That's why I asked.
 
@Ell Damn it, it's @CatPlusPlus all over again.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel yeah :/
 
@sehe Yeah, that's pretty close to the metal.
 
Ell
7:56 PM
there aren't enough people willing to talk for natural conversation to flow, we need @Zoidberg'-- and @TonyTheLion again!
 
Hey I'm not _completely like the cat. D:
 
user142019
I'm downstairs, sorry.
 
I said 'Hi and 'Hola' before. And I even squeaked.
 
Ell
@ThePhD ahh it was you who said "hola"?
okay now it crashed >.<
 
sbi
Also, I had my share of talking in a furrin tongue today. I had the robot as a guest.
 
7:59 PM
Hm, I wonder..
 
sbi
Finally, I am not convinced mumble is all that good.
When you're all there in voice chat, and when that is sooo much better than this here, then why are you here typing about what you hear over there?
 
Ell
@sbi nothing is being said over here (mumble) :O
and we can't talk about convincing people to come on mumble on mumble :O
 
sbi
@Ell Whatever version of "here" you're referring to....
 
mumble - faster speak. chat - more concurrent for each user.
 
Maybe I could invite you all to the RoFL Gaming Ventrilo...
 
Ell
8:01 PM
does anyone here play minecraft?
and willing to play now?
 
They play Team Fortress 2, Natural Selection, Dark Souls, previously Borderlands 2, Castle Crashers, but they're big on League of Legends, Dota2, and Minecraft.
I could never play Minecraft. :c
 
Ell
I have LoL and tf2
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hehe. I just fixed the issue for myself by doing:
sudo -u mumble-server sqlite3 /var/lib/mumble-server/mumble-server.sqlite <<< "update users set name = 'old_sehe' where name = 'sehe';"
"The lips are creepy"
Well, so is text-to-speech
afk
 
Aww Robot was here for like a moment
And then he disappeared. D:
 
2 hours ago, by ThePhD
I has no mic at hte moment. :c
^ me too
 
sbi
8:08 PM
@ThePhD He left here saying he was tired.
Speaking of which: so am I.
 
I'm going to sleep. Good night.
 
Gooood niiight.
I don't think encodings were meant to go backwards...
 
@ThePhD that awkward moment when you realize...
 
@yurikilochek Hey hey, I haven't given up just yet.
 
Maybe you could read 4 bytes before current position and search codepoints from that?
 
8:14 PM
Where there's a will and turing completeness, there's a way!
 
@ThePhD that is by all means possible and not even that hard, but are yiu really sure you want to do that?
 
@yurikilochek Yesh.
 
why not just an array of codepoints?
 
sbi
No kidding.
 
I expected it to shit itself any moment
 
sbi
8:19 PM
@yurikilochek According to newspaper reports, it was very calm.
 
sbi
(BTW: According to the same sources, the public transport company is looking for the girl, because this was illegal.)
 
@sbi i meant to literally take a shit, not get scared
 
sbi
@yurikilochek I understood that. I was wondering myself whether the girl was prepared for that. The amused indifference of the other people would have turned to dislike really fast if that horse had crapped the carriage.
 
my point exactly
 
8:25 PM
why is stats so fucking boring?
 
This is c++ lounge, not math lounge, we don't know
 
user142019
@Crowz because it's not abstract enough.
 
user142019
Way too real-world.
 
@Zoidberg'-- but I don't like abstract things
 
user142019
I do.
 
8:29 PM
I like it when I can see it AND it can be broken into an abstract construct
Math does not exist in reality, and therefore, bores me.
 
o_O
 
@ThePhD eh?
 
@Crowz You're an idiot
 
Noothiing. :D
 
@Rapptz okay ever seen a 5?
 
user142019
8:30 PM
meh
 
@Crowz Seriously, I just saw a 5 right now.
8
 
I have never seen you crowz, so you don't exist?
 
user142019
@Rapptz that's a certain representation of five.
 
@yetihehe this sentence feels like what religion freaks say
 
exactly
 
user142019
8:32 PM
@yurikilochek What? They say "I have never seen you God, so you exist!"
 
user142019
Not the other way around.
 
I'm saying math does not have any basis in reality, it's merely a language. Nothing -is- math.
 
Of course not, it's just a method of describing reality
 
Yep and that makes it lame.
 
Math is everywhere dude. You buy something, there's math right there.
 
8:34 PM
@Zoidberg'-- no, i meant it like what they say to people who claim that god doesn't exist because they never saw him.
 
yeeeah but I hate it so much... :
 
Natural language also doesn't exist in reality, does it make it lame?
 
No because it's easy and natural to do! Math is not at all
 
user142019
Natural language is lame.
 
user142019
It's terribly designed.
 
8:35 PM
Math is not natural to you ;)
It is not designed
 
user142019
It's inconsistent. It's weird. It's full of exceptions.
 
@Zoidberg'-- it's not designed
 
This is also a good argument against intelligent design
 
natural language being like... what we're using right now?
 
user142019
@yurikilochek it isn't? The rules must have been determined by somebody.
 
8:35 PM
yes
 
user142019
Those somebodies are the designers.
 
@Zoidberg'-- By little baby Jesus?
 
5 hours ago, by DeadMG
@yetihehe It wasn't designed, at all.
Natural languages have evolved
 
@Zoidberg'-- and what we have now is legacy bullshit that we have to keep for backwards compatiability
 
Aderall doesn't help me concentrate on math. There is no hope!
 
user142019
8:37 PM
@yetihehe was that about Bash on Balls?
 
It was about php
 
user142019
You mentioned Bash.
 
user142019
At least use Z shell. :^)
 
"php was just not designed for things it is currently used for."
 
user142019
PHP wasn't designed at all.
 
user142019
8:39 PM
And you should not use it for anything.
 
user142019
Just like Java.
 
I like java :(
 
You were also not designed, are you useless? ;)
 
It's super easy to use
 
user142019
@Crowz die in a fire.
 
user142019
8:40 PM
@Crowz it is not.
 
No memory management!
 
user142019
@Crowz you don't have that in Haskell either.
 
But Haskell is evil
 
user142019
And memory management doesn't make anything more difficult.
 
java is the most easy mode besides like... I dunno... actionscript
 
8:40 PM
@Zoidberg'-- It does
 
user142019
Java is not easy at all.
 
afk
 
with memory management, there's no garbage collector... which means you have to track memory leaks and malloc and free stuff
 
user142019
It forces you to do OOP and making a good OO design is extremely difficult.
 
Just more effort altogether
 
user142019
8:41 PM
More effort is not automatically more difficult.
 
Garbage collector removes a whole step from programming like, anything
 
user142019
If you don't want to do much effort you should use a language that doesn't require tons of boilerplate i.e. not Java.
 
I do C
 
@Crowz and removes delicious deterministic destruction
 
I dunno, writing like, a backtracking algorithm without a garbage collector is kind of annoying.
And I am as lazy and careless as programmers come
 
user142019
8:44 PM
Many algorithms are annoying when not using functional programming.
 
Recursion... 3 years in school and I still dread the sight of it
 
user142019
Also C++ has RAII. No need to do manual memory management.
 
user142019
Oh no I have to manually solve cycles what now.
 
I like easymode programming because I'm terrible at programming. The more responsibilities, the more is bound to fail miserably
 
user142019
If you want a language that is easy to use use Python, Ruby or Haskell.
 
user142019
8:47 PM
Not Java oh God.
 
Python is good
 
C# is fairly easymode.
And feels Java-like without the murderous intent to bury you under the world's largest library.
 
Yeah C# isn't too bad altogether. I can't stand OpenGL or DirectX though
 
^ Every engine and application that uses graphics is built on OpenGL or DirectX.
 
mostly openGL
 
8:49 PM
I just hate writing it hah
 
Or uses OpenGL-Like syntax ( Wii, PS3/PS2 ).
 
then use SDL
 
or SFML
 
user142019
or something that does not suck
 
Xbox 360 uses a shrunk-down version of DirectX.
 
8:49 PM
I never thought it'd be so goddamn difficult to make a 3D room with some textures
Because Microsoft
 
use Unity
 
Oh ya I was at university of utah for a while for game design and we used jogl
My game still doesn't work
 
That's not Microsoft's fault. That's just how graphics work.
 
user142019
Use three.js.
 
user142019
three.js is easy.
 
8:51 PM
I still have no idea what a GLU is
 
user142019
OpenGL utilities.
 
user142019
If you want to learn OpenGL, this is about the only decent tutorial on the entire Internet: arcsynthesis.org/gltut.
 
user142019
Written by somebody who actually knows what he is doing.
 
oh yes, that's another reason I dislike directx and opengl. No tutorials fucking anywhere
 
you serious
 
8:53 PM
was this posted here yet (probably yes:) twitter.com/Raetsch/status/280272128610279424/photo/1/large
 
@sehe like 5 times
 
user142019
@sehe I posted it here.
 
sbi
@Luchian's answer got featured on isocpp.org/blog/2012/12/….
 
@Zoidberg'-- Good that I didn't onebox it, then
 
sbi
@Zoidberg'-- No! It was me!
 
8:53 PM
@sbi that's why I am getting sudden upvotes on this
 
user142019
Okay, it was posted three times here. :^)
 
sbi
@bamboon Oh, interesting.I didn't know about that C++11 tidbit. Here, have another upvote.
 

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