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3:00 AM
@tereško still can't tell if he's trolling
but that last comment...
 
@tereško You're the only troll here, so are you trolling him, or....?
 
@rlemon nah, i mean, if you seriously just write one-off prototypes with it it's not gonna hurt anyone --- i've really become a huge fan of using Symfony for creating proof-of-concepts
@ChrisClower he's not a troll lol
 
yeah, he is lol
 
@tereško okay you were right, i concede
 
ok whatever lol
 
3:01 AM
@Lusitanian tbh I would just rather use CI than WP :P and I know my php is out dated so rather than take the time I am lazy and will use something I mistakenly learned :P
and I do mean to switch to using SF2 but again... lazy
 
you know nothing about programming obviously, and you're obviously another troll. i know what a domain is, how stupid do you think i am? you're funny
 
Symfony2 will at least force you into using less bad practices than CI.
@ChrisClower ....okay, so what's a domain model?
 
"I got two free hours... skim SF2 docs or drink beer and play video games........" clear choice in my mind.
 
no such thing
 
@rlemon of course
@ChrisClower are you serious?
 
3:03 AM
ok i just googled it, it's a health insurance plan.
 
What I'm amused at is that you're 14 years older than me and taking shots at both @tereško and myself because you are, for whatever reason, upset at either our programming abilities or something else.
But anyway, to the ignore list you go.
 
you have no programming abilities lmao
 
It's sad, normally those who are 31 years of age are more mature than those who are 17 years of age.
Anyway......
 
I am 26 and have limited programming abilities... my problem solving abilities however have kept me employed since I was 12 :P
 
problem solving > (.*)
 
user50049
3:05 AM
@ChrisClower Starting to get a little personal and over the top ...
 
why didn't you use the term object model, domain model is very obscure and sounds like you're talking about TLDs or health insurance lmao, learn how to speak before you judge
 
Domain model is hardly an obscure term....
It has nothing to do with health insurance anyway
A domain model in problem solving and software engineering is a conceptual model of all the topics related to a specific problem. It describes the various entities, their attributes, roles, and relationships, plus the constraints that govern the problem domain. Overview The domain model is created in order to represent the vocabulary and key concepts of the problem domain. The domain model also identifies the relationships among all the entities within the scope of the problem domain, and commonly identifies their attributes. A domain model that encapsulates methods within the entities...
 
@Lusitanian widely exaggerate myth , i stopped believing in it when one of most reasonable mods that i worked with in local forum was 14 years old
 
breaking the tension
AWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
3:06 AM
@rlemon haha that's adorable
 
@tereško ah, I see
 
@ShaquinTrifonoff I love it! so cute! most adorable pic ever!
 
ok, guess i've worked for some of the largest web dev companies int he USA since 1994 and graduated with a bachelor's in computer science without ever hearing the term because everyone i've ever associated with or come across int he industry is retarded. right? you're a troll, just go away lol
 
I'm not sure where you went to college, but the fact that you've never read PoEAA is a bit off-putting though if you've never studied OOP it's understandable.
 
3:08 AM
@ChrisClower experience and education mean nothing on SO :P rep is the key......
 
I believe you are the troll, however.
 
"First we get the rep.... then we get the power.... then we get the women"
 
@rlemon that...except for the women
 
user50049
I read a BINGO card once, it didn't make much sense, so I didn't feel compelled to move onto more advanced things.
 
just say 'object model' instead of using purposely obscure terms to try to throw people off, how's that for a novel idea?
 
3:08 AM
speak for yourself :P
 
Domain model isn't an obscure term
 
my 6K gets me tonnes of ass! (my girlfriend not excluded.. )
 
"domain model" has 1.88 million results on google -- in quotes.
 
@rlemon more like a metric ton of assholes
 
@TimPost lol
 
3:09 AM
@tereško that is only when you subscribe to the tag :P
 
Yeah the questions can get pretty sad. I would start answering some JS questions but I lose IQ points everytime I see "jquery"
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@rlemon i actually visit pure , when i need to waste soem close-votes
 
so you're saying another term for 'object model' that apparently only you've ever heard of (aside from some websites no one's ever been to) makes someone's expertise questionable if they don't understand what you're talking about? ok... cough*troll*cough
 
Rereading this chat amazes me.
 
user50049
@Lusitanian It seems the #1 question about TypeScript is how to make jQuery work. I find that delightfully ironic.
 
3:11 AM
just for the record: these long island iced teas from blackfly that my gf didn't like so I have to drink are getting me hammered and are delicious. If you see them buy them. much recommended.
 
@ChrisClower I'm not truly questioning your experience...but I wouldn't say that "no one's ever been to wikipedia" or martinfowler.com, that's just absurd
 
and then saying people who are known trolls on this board are very helpful and not obvious trolls... yeah, you're another one lol
 
@Stephane don't .. this stuff will rot your brain
 
@rlemon not old enough to purchase or consume
@Stephane don't, it'll be painful
 
1 hour ago, by tereško
please , go and research OOP. Learn what SOLID is, what LoD and SoC means and then go and read CodeIgniter's source ... you might learn something you did not expect
 
3:12 AM
@Lusitanian in one year come to quebec. we will get smashed on me
 
never heard of martinflower.com, sorry
 
lol
 
@tereško @Lusitanian lol. It's funny because a friend of mine kept tripping in threads on reddit. Couldn't relate in a constructive way.
 
and wikipedia has lots of articles about nothing
 
And just because you've never heard of something means it's not useful or existent?
Nothing is no thing, denoting the absence of something. Nothing is a pronoun associated with nothingness, as well as object as a concept in the Frege-Church ontology. In nontechnical uses, nothing denotes things lacking importance, interest, value, relevance, or significance. the state of nonexistence of anything, or the property of having nothing. Philosophy Western philosophy Some would consider the study of "nothing" to be foolish, a typical response of this type is voiced by Giacomo Casanova (1725–1798) in conversation with his landlord, one Dr. Gozzi, who also happens to be a priest...
Looks like one article to me.
@TimPost What criteria are in place for you to kick/ban someone from a chat? Very curious :P
 
user50049
3:13 AM
I am totally not going back to work today. This is just too funny
 
If anyone wants to provide some clarity to me instead of feeding this insane conversation, I would love a non-negatively voted answer to:
 
@Stephane , i kinda been trying to write a response for your DB question .. still in progress
 
i didn't say that it didn't exist. i said the term is obscure. most people simply say 'object model' lol
 
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Q: Dependency Injection: How to pass DB around?

StephaneEdit: This is a conceptual question first and foremost. I can make applications work without knowing this, but I'm trying to learn the concept. I've seen lots of videos with related classes and that makes sense, but when it comes to classes wrapping around other classes, I can't seem to grasp whe...

oh sweet!
 
lmao
 
3:13 AM
instead of using terms lesser known
 
@tereško thank you so much
 
This is honestly hilarious.
I don't get it --- you're calling me a troll because I said "domain model" and not "object model". For the record, they aren't even exactly the same in meaning.
 
yeah, thanks to you :D
 
Domain model refers to a specific problem domain.
 
What I don't understand is @Lusitanian you were actually trying to help @ChrisClower and then he turned on you for no reason. It's like chat rage or something.
 
3:14 AM
 
he was trying to help me? how?
 
Brought to you by rlemon.github.com/lememe (horribly coded. fuck you IE!)
 
@rlemon lol -- cute --- nice self-promotion
 
user50049
@Lusitanian Far from being met for me to just decide it was time to do so. I have dropped subtle hints, however.
 
i'm sorry, i missed my question i guess, since he was trying to help me with something
 
3:15 AM
@TimPost Understandable, I did notice one of those.
@ChrisClower I was trying to explain the real purpose of ORM to you and you got defensive and upset...again, haven't figured out why but it has something to do with the fact that I said "domain model".
 
I think it was model.
I read about this...
 
@ChrisClower really? Ha. He was giving you a chance when @tereško was calling you a troll and then you turned on him. This must happen to you a lot.
 
user50049
I think the last time I fired the old proton cannon was in here. The first time was in the C++ room where someone kept talking about power tools in the context of genitals belonging to other room members. You guys think PHP draws trolls? Mere whipper-snappers.
 
I actually thought you weren't, but now it seems like you can't help it.
 
@TimPost I've looked in the C++ room, it looks dangerous.
 
3:17 AM
ORM has no real purpose though lol, i tried explaining that as well before you started raging, so I guess we're even then
 
If "polite explanation" followed by "mild annoyance" is your definition of raging...
 
user50049
@Lusitanian It's a lot like a room full of zombies. Only dangerous if you aren't one of them.
 
tereško called me a troll?
 
@TimPost rarglsappeedii!
 
and i turned on him at that point?
 
3:18 AM
@ChrisClower he was having a coding conversation with you and then you took offense.
 
no, i turned on him when i first came into the room and saw his first comment trolling someone else lol
 
user50049
Chris .. why are you still talking about that? Seriously, that was minutes ago .. ancient history.
 
@TimPost Makes sense --- do you become a zombie if you get attacked?
 
I called you a troll. to be specific, six sexy bitches called you a troll too
 
he's never had a coding conversation in his life lol
 
3:19 AM
@all Hi
 
@TimPost i know, right?
 
not because you are wrong (I wouldn't know) but because you purposely raise shit in the PHP room.
 
user50049
@Lusitanian No, it's like zombie vampire - you only turn if they decide they want you to turn, otherwise you just die.
 
@ChrisClower I'm not talking about @tereško. He was annoyed that you were spamming the channel with what he thought wasn't a great conversation.
 
@ChrisClower Why don't you go prove your coding 1337ness? Go write a program that calculates the fibonacci sequence in erlang?
Come back and we can have code review.
 
3:20 AM
hello Kanth, welcome to PHP.
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I was talking about @Lusitanian who actually spent an hour and a half last night helping me. The first time we ever interacted. So instead of getting help or insight you threw his experience back at him.
 
@TimPost Ah, that's scary. They also talk negatively about every programming language besides C++ it seems.
 
@Lusitanian thats two functions ... well same function name different footprints in parameters
 
just for the record.... C# is the shit.... there .... I said it.
 
@Stephane Oh, so everyone should just cater to what tereško thinks is great conversation then I guess, even though he was trolling the OP before I even mentioned him. Cool, I'll remember that. As soon as a conversation becomes uninteresting to someone, everyone better shut up!
 
3:21 AM
but I hate windows... it's an endless battle.
 
@Paul Hello glad you received me, Seems conflicts are going on this room?
 
aaah ... english , where "X is the shit" and "X is a shit" makes all the difference
 
@Kanth unfortunately
 
@Kanth Yes, its not normally like this.
 
@Paul well actually...
 
3:22 AM
hey, this conversation is uninteresting to me. so everyone better shut up, because when tereško decides a conversation sucks, he should get his way, so i should too
 
@tereško you pretty much got it!
 
@ChrisClower not at all. I didn't necessarily agree with @tereško. I wasn't here. I just thought that you didn't respond to @Lusitanian properly. He wasn't against you.
 
@Kanth What's up? Need any help or just stopping in?
 
@ChrisClower teresko always thinks the convo sucks. you'll get used to this.
 
@Stephane At this point I'm pretty convinced that everything you say just goes right through him...dunno why
 
3:23 AM
i have been kinda trying to ignore all of you , because writing an answer has taken already an hour for me
 
@tereško sorry, I should stop @you in a side conversation. I'll stop.
 
@Lusitanian DONE!
 
user50049
This is all I see Chris. Someone got under your skin and the worst thing you could find to lash back with was his hair, and then things just deteriorated from there. Let's just put this to bed, there's new people here .. and get on with our Fridays. The only come once each week, after all.
 
@rlemon thanks!
@TimPost still technically Thursday for me :P
 
3:25 AM
@Stephane @lusitanian and I had good conversation earlier, it was very civil, and he came back calling me a troll "after reading the last hour of logs", I didn't provoke him in any other way
 
@Paul and Lusitanian Yeah actually, but am not getting how to ask this.
 
user50049
@Lusitanian Ah, I often forget that I get a twelve hour head start on Friday.
 
@Lusitanian i wont lie..... I'm hammered and didn't read the Q. I just took your word for it.
 
@Kanth just go for it. No one else is asking questions.
 
@rlemon Honestly you could close-vote every other PHP question and get most of them right. It's really a sad commentary on the quality of the category's questions.
 
3:26 AM
@Stephane why do men bald?
 
@TimPost Yeah, I'm pretty jealous about that.
 
and i didn't even start on @tereško until he first sat there and made fun of a few questions and answerers, not including me, but then started saying "Chris uses CodeIgniter, that explains a lot", an obvious troll attempt, so whatever
 
You use codeigniter but hate ORM?
 
@rlemon because of a enzyme or something. I just read about it. I can find it if you want.
 
CI doesn't use ORM lol
 
3:27 AM
Your own answer to a question I just read contradicts that.
It has an ActiveRecord implementation which you discussed.
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A: Which php frameworks meet my requirements

Chris ClowerFrom the requirements you've given here, I'd personally recommend CodeIgniter. While there are many frameworks which also meet these requirements, I have had the best experience with CI, although this is my subjective opinion. Here's why I recommend it: Extremely well documented. http://codeign...

 
activerecord isn't ORM, and as i said, it's their own version of something similar
 
> Has ORM built-in in the form of their own fork of Active Record (at least, as far as I know it is their own fork - they call it simply Active Record though) codeigniter.com/user_guide/database/active_record.html --@ChrisClower
 
reread the answer
 
What the hell? ActiveRecord is ORM...
 
3:27 AM
@Lusitanian codeigniter is one of few major frameworks with relies on 3rd part libs for storage abstraction
 
no it isn't
 
-_______________________________________-
 
user50049
@Lusitanian Ummmm ... it sorda has an ActiveRecord implementation (I actually like it, but those seeking a full blown ORM are going to get frustrated very quickly)
 
@TimPost Yeah but the point I'm making is that he said "Has ORM built-in"
 
3:28 AM
@Paul @Lusitanian @Stephane Actually I thought to just stopping in and have some talk, but as here seems no questions, I want to ask about the best way to start php. Actually I was into java and Even I am working on Android now. But I have always been fascinated to PHP.
 
it's (somewhat) similar to those looking for ORM but it's not the same
 
Anyway, this is pretty pointless.
Off to the ignore list you go, seeya.
 
it's definitely not ORM. find out what it is first then talk to me
 
Wow, it just got a lot cleaner in here.
 
3:29 AM
So need some suggestions regarding the inception.
 
@Kanth would i be correct to assume that you know some programming ?
 
@Kanth what do you want to make?
 
@Kanth Depends on the specific task you want to accomplish. Just learning in general?
 
user50049
@Kanth Scratch an itch, really .. what simple yet useful thing would you like to build with it?
 
rlemon.github.com/lememe Noooo you "work it" drag and drop styles :P (btw I'm close to releasng the Chrome Extension of this)
 
3:30 AM
@TimPost anyway, meh, I just find CI to be a general piece of poorly-coded PHP-like...stuff
 
@Lusitanian You didn't read the question though
 
@rlemon nice!
 
I many not be an expert in programming , but Obviously I know programming. . I have been working on Java and android. So just wanna learn in general due to my own interest.
 
The poster asked for something with ORM, CI has an alternative which I think I clarified
 
@Kanth i guess you best bet would be this or this book ( the last one requires not prior skills)
 
3:31 AM
@rlemon Chome extension soon? yay!
 
Funny. Nice use of meme creator
 
@Stephane Worst thing of all (for me) is that "Chrome + Ubuntu" !== "Chrome + Windows" for -webkiit- css rules
 
@all thanks guys. Will be back in 10 mins. Got a call. @tereško Thank you very much.
 
slow clap
tereško didn't even provide an answer at all lmao
nothing
"read a book", nice
good answer
 
:563452 you just need to killit
 
3:34 AM
@rlemon oh man. I didn't know that. That sucks. What rules are tripping you up?
 
@rlemon with fire.
 
user50049
@ChrisClower Please stop provoking arguments. Seriously, it's getting old. A semi constructive spat over the context of an actual topic was one thing.
 
Is he still talking?
I should've used that ignore button a while ago........meh
 
user50049
@Lusitanian Well I'm not sure. But he is typing.
 
He can condescend people all he wants. i don't care. i'm not even going to respond anymore to his crap
 
3:35 AM
Haha
 
use it
please
also, go downvote all my answers while you're at it
that way i can do the same
and justify it
go on
 
user50049
Godwin in 3 ...... 2 ...... 1 ..........
 
I seriously still don't know why he got so upset about me correcting his concept of ORM anyway...
 
you didn't
 
@ircmaxwell When linking to your blog, should I refer to you as "ircmaxwell," "IrcMaxwell," "Anthony Ferrara" or something else?
 
3:37 AM
How's everyone's Friday going --- for those for whom it is actually Friday?
 
@Lusitanian Got another 23 minutes
 
user50049
We have two people that easily get upset in a confined space together. Actually @tereško doesn't really get upset, just annoyed.
 
I have another 23 minutes which means my clock is ahead or your's is behind @SomeKittens
Ah, thar
 
all you did was get all pissed when i asked how orm doesn't fit its own definition and started calling me a troll, you provided no backup for your claim at all except "domain model - you don't know what it is? you know nothing, gtfo"
 
Or I can't math past 11
 
3:38 AM
@TimPost extensive use of "ignore" option
that is my key for sanity
 
user50049
@tereško That balpha really is an artist.
 
@tereško out of curiosity, did you ever ignore me? At one point, I thought you had, but then you pinged me.
 
yes
 
@Stephane just trying to get this extension working I noticed some incontestcies (I cant spell) with how the HTML renders.
 
"i hope the troll still likes me. i want to side with him so he doesn't troll me and make me the unpopular kid"
 
3:40 AM
Ah well. Yeah, sorry about being such an annoying noob.
 
@SomeKittens WTF are you doing here?!
 
not referring to you
 
get back in your corner!
 
@SomeKittens No one holds that against you ;) (just kidding, I don't recall you ever being an 'annoying noob')
 
^ cept teresko
 
3:41 AM
@rlemon awwww.... runs into corner and sobs
 
it's tereško, get it right ;)
 
Yeah well he holds everything against everyone
 
@Lusitanian I was pretty childish to him.
 
He's Lithuanian and gives English lessons :D
 
3:42 AM
@SomeKittens I kid. I love you! you're gravatar is too cute to hate!
 
@SomeKittens You're allowed to cast now so all is forgiven.
 
@Lusitanian Yes, and it feels great!
Take that, help vampire!
 
Okay something tells me playing android games on a tablet while typing into the PHP chat room is a bad idea.
 
@Stephane , posted an answer , at last .. i will fix the typos when i wake up
 
> does it anyway
 
3:42 AM
@SomeKittens related
 
@rdlowrey I just saw your message. Thank you
@tereško I'll check it out right now!
 
hey, keep this discussion PHP-related! - wannabe mod
 
it might take a while
 
either talk about real php questions or don't talk!
 
user50049
@ChrisClower wat
 
3:44 AM
> First of all: if you are creating a simple page, anything MVC-ish will be the wrong choice.
+1
 
focus, focus, focus!
 
@Stephane related :P
sorry idk. i'm drunk. and trying to make the world more enjoyable one meme at a time
 
@TimPost I wasn't talking about you, it was a joke, don't take offense
 
@ChrisClower Says the person who "specializes" in 18 different things.
@rlemon Wish I could join you
 
18?
oh, yeah
sort of
 
3:46 AM
@tereško IMHO you should use the callable typehint rather than Closure
 
hmm not sure, without looking at my profile like you did....
 
@ChrisClower $rooms->item(11)->dont_talk(); // Not working, why?
 
You violated the LoD
 
@Lusitanian I would like to know what you mean
 
3:48 AM
Law of demeter
 
bah, need a closer for my blog post. I'm so bad at this sort of thing.
 
I mean about callable typehint
 
Because it should be $talk->user("Shaquin Trifonoff")->dont_talk();
 
instead of fighting
 
like __construct (Class $instance)?
 
3:49 AM
I guess @ChrisClower is still here based on the above conversation
@Stephane Wait -- which of my remarks are you referring to?
The typehinting thing?
 
user50049
 
callable offers more flexibility than Closure, that's all
 
@Lusitanian the one you replied to teresko about
 
So the Closure typehint only allows actual closures
 
I'm here because i want to answer some questions, you guys decided i'm easy to troll so you keep on badgering
 
3:50 AM
function test(Closure $c) { $c(); }
 
@TimPost On iOS6 Maps:
 
user50049
It would be so funny if someone with a name of Jesus Peeha actually existed and came here to chat.
 
test( function() { echo 'hi'; } );
 
oh, interesting
 
@Stephane but if I pass it the name of a function, it'll error out
now, if I do this:
function test(callable $c) { $c(); }
Then I can do function sayhi() { echo 'hello'; } test('sayhi');
@Stephane example: viperpad.com/p7iQUf
 
3:52 AM
@ChrisClower buddy you have got the condition like
 
keep trolling
i like it
keep going
 
@Lusitanian thanks I didn't know about htat
 
you got it
It was a minor nitpick that is really a matter of preference and backwards compatibility on an otherwise stellar answer, anyway.
 
@Lusitanian I understand most of what I'm reading (although still advanced for me) except the Authentication class. What would the base class do in this example?
Or rather, what does the constructor look like?
could*
 
user50049
Ah .. that wonderful feeling you get when you realize large chunks of unused code can be removed (and do so) because you have extensive tests in place. Then you remembered that you don't have extensive tests.
 
3:55 AM
@Stephane for which classs? The service?
 
@TimPost
 
or the controller
 
@TimPost That sounds all too familiar.....
 
class Authentication extends Controller
 
3:56 AM
It would get the servicefactory and view in the constructor
 
Hello fellow Sstack Overflowers
I have a big problem here
 
@Database_Query what do you have to contribute to the question other than lame pictures? Here's one for you: 1.bp.blogspot.com/-bRnEt20VD6s/T-2wOtPXgDI/AAAAAAAACXM/…
 
user50049
@SomeKittens Well, I do have tests, but these particular functions are old, relied on cookie data to work, never had tests written for them .. I'll go ahead and tell the NOC team to proceed with the load balancer failover test this weekend and blame any aftermath on that.
 
Why, whenever I see "factory" do I always think "Java"?
 
I am back.
 
3:58 AM
@TimPost When in doubt, create a distraction that will shift blame from yourself?
@rlemon Why, when I see "Java" do I always think "why not Scala?"?
 
@Lusitanian Because you have a closed, one track mind?
 
user50049
@rlemon When I see 'factory' and 'Java' I think Starbucks
 
@ChrisClower not be trolling ... like you ...
 
@Lusitanian I see, thanks. And I'm used to doing something like this: $students = $mapper->getStudents(); Then in the html I would have a foreach. How would this happen within something like this?
 
@Lusitanian Just saying
 
3:59 AM
@Lusitanian because "Android!"
 
user50049
@ChrisClower Enough .... seriously, enough.
 
@Database_Query You're trolling lol.
 
@TimPost that is expected.
 

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