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8:00 PM
@Chimera Gam and that other dude. Words like "srsly" srsly get on my nerves.
 
@Drise srsly
 
@GamErix I fit into both groups.
 
My question is , If pair programmers candidates are a male and female couple , are they allowed to have intercourse during that week long audition ?
 
@MooingDuck I like you; please don't. :P
 
@GamErix I am not lucky to have a job , so I guess I belong to your first group.
 
user1182183
8:02 PM
you can make a slider between those 2
 
user1182183
40% this, 60% that
 
user1182183
or in russia: 30% this, 100% that
 
@LeandroPezzente Take a guess.
 
user1182183
@LeandroPezzente Just fuck and have fun xD
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My vote definetly goes to Caipirinhias
 
8:04 PM
@LeandroPezzente Why Brazil?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Because they have lots of those tiny little green lemmons.
 
Limes.
Caipirinhas are made with limes.
 
user1182183
-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdW7PvGZ0uM&feature=player_embedded --
Optical illusion , really nice, lvl? hard :p
 
you are right , limes.
 
Limes are also what the average American puts in his Corona.
 
8:08 PM
@Drise you like someone on the Internet :P
 
@TonyTheLion He has helped me countless number of times, and I look up to him (except when it comes to debugging :P). He is also highly knowledgeable, and is willing to practically spend a day helping you with code.
 
user1182183
kinda wondering how many % of the internet porn actually is...
 
@Drise He's a nice and helpful fella, I agree :) I was just joking.
 
@TonyTheLion I was just explaining myself. Not like yelling at you or "YOUR WRONG" or anything
How could you not like @MooingDuck?
 
8:10 PM
@Drise seriously, I mean, a mooing duck! How could you dislike that? (except Alf obviously)
 
If you don't like cows and ducks, then a Mooing Duck would be hard to like, I guess.
 
@Drise That's easy. Imagine he killed your whole family.
 
@MooingDuck Btw, what is hth? Alf has it as part of his sig-name combo
 
Hope that helps or something
 
@Drise uh.... something-to-health I thin
 
8:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're messed up. Then again, as a killbot, you should be.
 
yeah, what Tony said
 
Cheers and hope that helps - Alf.
Yea?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're more gruesome than I imaged
 
@StackedCrooked FTR, more often than not, it's not about the Lounge's reaction, but the reaction of the passers-by that see those pics on screen.
 
user1182183
8:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes did he? Wait... family? What? xD nah just kidding
 
@Drise you're not supposed to put "thanks" or whatever in SO posts, and he was quite... strong in his belief that we should be allowed to do that. In protest against the ruling, he put it in his name so people couldn't remove it from his posts anymore. Rather clever really.
 
@MooingDuck Rather in his name than in the post. Just kinda confusing to refer to him as Cheers
 
Tesco fail to deliver my food on time :(
 
@TonyTheLion free?
@Drise yeah, it's confusing
 
nope
I wish
 
8:14 PM
@MooingDuck No tip, if it was me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It used to tolerate NSFW. And I agree that we should avoid that. However, I think we're starting to lean a little too far to other side now.
 
@TonyTheLion in the US, threaten to sue and it's suddenly free
 
@MooingDuck yea that doesn't work in Europe
 
@TonyTheLion got booted from CA?
 
@MooingDuck that was a holiday, I wish it was permanent
but I don't qualify for a US Visa
Unless I found an American Gf and got married
but what hell.
 
8:16 PM
@Drise That doesn't do much in Europe either (tips aren't common or expected).
 
@StackedCrooked Well, I'm fine with most stuff, but I'll happily bin stuff if someone objects. Just don't flag shit.
@Drise lol, tip.
 
@JerryCoffin Really? Man, they make you feel so guilty in the states. Of course, they get paid like 2$ an hour, and the rest is tips
 
@JerryCoffin I dislike the concept of tips :(
@Drise they're required by law to get at least minimum wage, tips or no. (tips can account for some portion of that)
 
 
@Drise AAMOF, most wait staff and such in the US don't get paychecks at all (or too small to care about) -- their wages barely cover their taxes. Some even end up getting a bill on pay day.
 
8:18 PM
tips
 
@TonyTheLion What's up?
 
@JerryCoffin IMHO that's really bad, these people have to work damn hard in a lot of cases and then they don't even get decent pay.
 
@JerryCoffin getting a bill is really rare
 
and us programmers spend most of the time procrastinating and get pretty decent wages at the end of the month
@ManofOneWay I'm in a bad mood.
 
@TonyTheLion And blowing like a grand on a TV and mount and a new monitor and a desk, like I did this weekend.
 
user1182183
8:20 PM
"Tragedy in Russia. 3 victims by flying tank" - in polish newspapers LOL
 
@MooingDuck Getting a bill isn't common, but I've seen it happen. Getting a pay check for less than $100 for two weeks of work is extremely common.
 
@Drise I did about the same this weekend :)
 
user1182183
Srsly physics don't apply to Russia... nor a woman behind the wheel
 
@JerryCoffin only if you've gotten 580 in tips or didn't work 40 hours (in my state, minimum wage in your case may differ)
 
@Ell Sorry, just got back. Notice that your document shouldn’t even compile so I don’t know where the overfull hbox message comes from.
 
8:20 PM
@TonyTheLion Why?
 
@JerryCoffin One of my coworkers used to be a waitress and she said she took a paycut to come work here with us, saying she would average about 20$ an hour
 
@Ell once you fix the mistakes, there are no overfull hboxes
 
@ManofOneWay why I spent that money? Cause I want a TV and Blueray player
and some other stuff.
to counter the boredom outside of work
 
@TonyTheLion My roommate bought the 5.1 surround system, and the futon.
 
8:24 PM
@TonyTheLion I didn't know you spent money =) Why are you in a bad mood?
 
@JerryCoffin dafook is AAMOF? I don't recognize that.
 
@DeadMG As a matter of fact
 
o
 
Google, man, google.
 
@DeadMG I had to google it
 
8:25 PM
It's a less used acronym
@R.MartinhoFernandes FTR, I think passer(s)-by is one of the more retarded words in the English language.
 
@Drise That's a pretty large sum for a waitress.
 
@Ell And then really use the mhchem package, it makes everything much easier, and looking better:
instead of $(NH_{4})_{3}PO_{4}$ you can simply write \ce{(NH4)3PO4}
 
@DeadMG Sorry -- I try not to use too dense of ones, but slip up sometimes.
 
S -- ITNTUTDOO, BSUS.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes LIKE A BAUS
 
8:30 PM
@KonradRudolph that looks familiar not not like SMILE
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You confused google.
 
@DeadMG I'm an aduuuuult!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I need an adult?
 
@MooingDuck Hmm? Why would you use SMILE here?
 
@Drise "TNTUTDOO" returns a lot of hits that appear Portuguese, bot is Portuguese.
 
8:34 PM
@MooingDuck Seriously, is it that hard to get?
 
@MooingDuck You forgot the "I", scrub
 
@KonradRudolph I'm speculating as to what you're talking about with my highly limited experience.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, don't I feel silly
 
@MooingDuck See discussion I had with Ell above. We’re talking about ways of typesetting molecular formulae in LaTeX
 
8:39 PM
Man, I got my food delivered to my old address
that's why it didn't come
I'm an idiot
:(
 
@TonyTheLion :( Nothing sadder than no food
 
@TonyTheLion Such a waste :(
 
just on the phone with them, to reschedule hopefully
 
I feel bad for the food now.
 
what about me????
 
8:40 PM
You'll live :p
 
@TonyTheLion Trying to avoid the awkwardness after the one night stand with the food?
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A: sorter names conflicting in separate .cpp files

user1649548Sorter is a global function -- not a class or an object instantiated from a class. If the same global function is declared in two compilation units, you will get a linkage error.

 
anyways, delivery was declined at other address, rescheduled for tomorrow here
nothing went to waste
 
@TonyTheLion "Hi, you ordered this food." "confused look No I didn't." "confused look You sure you don't want it anyway?" "Quite sure." marks as "declined at other address"
 
damn
I'm so awkward when talking to recruitment people.
this Google person really only needs the response "Yes, I'm interested in working for Google" or something like that
 
@DeadMG They're people. Treat them as such, and you won't have a problem. Now if it's a woman.. they aren't people. So it's ok to be awkward.
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8:51 PM
but I find it paralyzing
 
@Drise yes, well luckily the people at the other place know me
 
Windows got me to boot into it the other day because it decided a 32GB page file on my 256GB solid state was a good idea, even though I have 32 GB of ram.
 
@Drise I believe the default page file size is always equal to RAM.
 
@DeadMG don't worry too much about it.
 
It also decided that a 25GB hibernate file was a good idea.
So besides Windows 7 taking ~40GB to install, it decided an additional 57 GB was also a good idea.
So just for three things on windows, it required ~100GB of my 256 GB solid state.
I was not happy that Windows coerced me into booting into it.
 
8:57 PM
lol
Welcome to Windows :)
 
@DeadMG Have you talked to Google? =)
 
@TonyTheLion To be honest, I'm actually enjoying my 12.04 Unity experience.
I have yet to find any major complaint with it.
 
Isn't Unity a game framework, rather than an OS?
or am I missing something?
 
Unity is a desktop window manager or something like that
Like GNOME
 
ah I see
 
9:02 PM
Unity is a shell interface for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd for its Ubuntu operating system. Unity debuted in the netbook edition of Ubuntu 10.10. It is designed to make more efficient use of space given the limited screen size of netbooks, including, for example, a vertical application switcher called the launcher. Unlike GNOME, KDE Software Compilation, Xfce, or LXDE, Unity is not a collection of applications but is designed to use existing programs. Unity is part of the Ayatana project, an initiative to improve the user experience within Ubuntu. In additio...
 
@TonyTheLion Unity is also a game engine/authoring tool yes
 
Hey People any body here familiar with how to pass the command line arguments stored in a file either to eclipse or netbeans
what I am shooting for is the same effect as
 
hey, you familiar with www.stackoverflow.com/questions/ask?
 
@oderebek Hey Person no body really cares
 
I did ask
I didnt get any proper
answer
 
9:07 PM
@oderebek Congratulations
I like
to talk with
newlines too!
 
@oderebek so you thought you'd barge into a lounge, not look around, and pester us?
 
Now please
leave us alone.
 
@oderebek Not really my problem.
 
I am looking for this for days
 
this is the C++ Lounge, not the Java Helpdesk.
 
9:08 PM
@DeadMG it is a java question. wtf
 
@MooingDuck eclipse/netbeans. Chance of Java is high
 
I'm sorry that you didn't get an answer, but that's not going to increase the inappropriateness of asking in here
 
ok thanks for the high level of friendliness
 
@oderebek ok thanks for the high level of rudeness
 
I have made the hugest mistake ever by asking a question
 
9:10 PM
2 mins ago, by Mooing Duck
@oderebek so you thought you'd barge into a lounge, not look around, and pester us?
 
To be fair, we did come off a bit more rude that we usually do.
 
answering it simply would be less of an hassle by the way
 
@oderebek Pretty much, yes.
 
sorry for barging in
 
@oderebek Not really. That would require effort. Telling you off is something we have practiced. Don't feel flattered, you're not the first.
 
9:11 PM
@oderebek Not really. Firstly, we're the C++ people, we don't use Java, we don't use Java's tools, and we have absolutely no idea WTF the solution could possibly be.
and secondly, we're busy doing our Lounging
@Mysticial Really? I'm usually a lot more rude than this.
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@Mysticial I'm being civil. Friday I told a dude to masturbate into a sock, so I'd say this is pretty kind.
 
he's not even lying when he says that
 
@Drise you made fun of him then told him to leave, that's hardly "civil"
 
@MooingDuck Relative to my "not civil"?
 
@MooingDuck Being civil is not ad homineming people.
making fun of someone is unpleasant but it's hardly uncivilized
 
9:13 PM
@DeadMG called him rude, but that's not quite an ad hominem. Fair enough
 
us loungers are probably the most uncivil bunch on the interwebs, besides maybe /r/circlejerk on Reddit :P
 
@TonyTheLion 4chan?
 
@oderebek Apologies. Yes drive-by-linking (as we call it) is extremely frowned upon. And depending on the time of the day, our mood, and who's in the room at the time, our jackassery can be vary quite a bit.
 
@MooingDuck Well, the guy was equally sarcastic to us
 
@MooingDuck oh yea those guys
 
9:14 PM
@TonyTheLion /b/, 'nuff said
 
lol
we're one step from /b/ then. At least we don't post pictures of dicks
 
@TonyTheLion One step?
 
@Drise Yeah, you're right. Make that half a step.
 
@DeadMG Haha, wrong direction.
 
9:16 PM
if you really boil it down
we're just not very welcoming of noobs, I guess
 
@TonyTheLion Noobs, well, we were one at some point, but when you're annoying is the problem.
If you come, socialize, hang out, laugh, then ask occasionally, then you're ok.
 
It's all about the intent. If the intent is to use this as a help desk, gtfo. If the intent is to use this as a slightly classier /b/, then join the party.
 
God damn, I'm fishing for stars, but no one's biting.
So...
Why use std::array instead of std::vector?
 
9:21 PM
yeah, it's not the noobs we have a problem with
it's the noobs who treat us as SO but faster
@Drise Because it's statically sized and allocated.
 
Can't you just vector.resize?
 
/facepalm
vector::resize does not make the vector statically sized or allocated, it simply means that the vector has at least that size.
 
It seems the difference is arbitrary to me.
 
@Drise how is that even offensive? most guys do that anyways, so you told him to do what he most likely does already.
 
@TonyTheLion I got suspended from chat for it once.
 
9:25 PM
@Drise It's not.
 
what a joke :)
 
for one, static allocation is basically free, dynamic allocation isn't
static allocation can't throw, dynamic allocation can
static allocation guarantees enough size, dynamic allocation you have to remember to check
static allocation does not involve resizing overhead
the real question should be, "Why would I use indirection through std::vector when I could have an "As safe and fast as it's ever possible to be" std::array?"
 
I need to go through and clear more of my facebook friends.
 
I’m going to sleep. See you guys and lion and puppy and duck and other sub-human animals.
 
@Drise I prefer to just clear off facebook.
 
9:27 PM
@DeadMG I'm down to 30. A number I'm quite proud of actually.
 
0 > 30.
 
@DeadMG I'm working on it.
 
@DeadMG math fail
 
@daknøk Not if you're in base -1.
 
lol
like where you have -1 different digits.
 
9:28 PM
lol
 
my project recently changed from 3 dependancies to 21 :(
 
@MooingDuck Ew
 
where each digit is -1^n * digit
 
@DeadMG Static allocation can still fail though -- you just don't get any guarantee of what may happen when/if it does.
 
@MooingDuck put them all in one library! 1 dependency :3
 
9:29 PM
@TonyTheLion I agree. Why is that? Is it hard to tell someone politely that we don't care about or can't answer somebodies question?
 
@DeadMG not to mention (-x) ^ n = x ^ n
 
@daknøk Only if n is even.
 
Oh yeah. :p
 
-1^1 clearly != 1^1.
 
^ has precedence over -. :P
 
9:30 PM
@Chimera No, it isn't. But either way, they whine and complain. So I at least try to have fun with it.
 
@daknøk I read it the other way around, but that's what you meant, so no confusion.
 
(-1)^0 == 1^0
Zero is special though
 
Anyway, odd bases are chanceless.
 
chanceless?
 
The English word for “kansloos”.
 
9:32 PM
it just doesn't compute in this scenario.
 
@daknøk unworkable?
 
@daknøk Impossible? UB?
 
damn
 
@Drise it is possible, just mostly pointless and remarkably difficult.
 
do I just tell the google recruiter "Yes, I'm interested." or do they want something more from me?
 
9:34 PM
@DeadMG "yes but I don't think I'm qualified"?
 
@DeadMG You're reading too much into it. Just answer naturally.
 
@DeadMG What was in the email they sent? Reply to what was there.
 
@MooingDuck Pretty sure I can sling C++ pretty darn good.
 
Answer the question they are asking, not the one you think they are asking.
 
9:35 PM
:D
 
@DeadMG systems whateveritis?
 
@JerryCoffin A fairly confusing estimation of my skills.
C and C++? Ok, I'll sling that anyday. But - linux experience? and systems experience?
 
@DeadMG Linux is not hard, and can be googled when needed.
Do you know what a command line is?
 
where did they get linux experience even from? Apparently compilers count as systems, so I could claim some of that- and I'm hardly naive about OS operations.
@Drise I'm not debating that. But I sure don't have experience in it.
 
You'll be fine. Again. Answer the question they are asking, not the one you think they are asking.
 
9:37 PM
ok
"Can I see your resume? Are you interested in job with Google?".
 
@DeadMG Okay, tell them which of those areas you're strongest in. You might also want to spend a bit of time studying Google, and their divisions -- when you apply there, you apply to a particular division, not just the company in general. The division you pick will govern the people who interview you and the kinds of questions they'll tend to ask (e.g., apply to Google Geo, and you'll probably get some stuff about things like 3D graphics).
Apply for search, and they'll ask you about text indexing, and so on.
 
@DeadMG My resume is attached, and yes, I'm interested in working for Google.
 
speaking of which, I need to write a new resume
my old one sucked
 
Yea, that's key
 
but I have a habit of being, well, overly terse about it
I mean, "Did two years of CS. Nice StackOverflow account." is accurate, but...
 
9:40 PM
I wonder if I could ask my boss to look at it and critique it, if you'd be willing to share.
Since he sees a ton of resumes
He loves doing random crap like that. He's like @MooingDuck in the help other people department.
 
@DeadMG Yes, you probably want more detail about what areas you specialized in at Uni, emphasizing the classes you enjoyed most/got the best gradesin. Time in SO is "mentoring junior programmers" or something similar.
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@JerryCoffin Woah, that's quite a nice way of putting it.
 
@Drise Well, I guess as a community we might want to consider whether we want to be known as jerks or not??
 
@Chimera To be honest, we also don't want to be known to tolerate all the slop and bleh that would destroy the chat.
 
@JerryCoffin Impressive, and accurate, characterization. I'm going to steal that immediately.
 
9:44 PM
@Drise Agreed, but surely there is a middle ground where we can tell people to piss off politely?
:-)
 
@Chimera Not really any polite "piss off". Plus they whine if we don't answer them, or if we tell them off. I'd rather have fun with the latter.
@DeadMG Never thought hanging out on some random website would be worthy of putting on a resume.
 
@DeadMG Thank you. Or you're welcome. Or both, I guess.
 
@Drise Well, Jerry's summary of it is accurate- I've spent three years tutoring other people in C++.
uh, is it three?
 
Here is an example, "I'm sorry user12345687, but right now we don't have the time to answer your question. Maybe later. Oh and please read the newbie hints.
 
two and a half
@Chimera That's not a polite "piss off". An anything "piss off" has to involve at least the words "piss off".
else it's not a "piss off", by definition
 
9:47 PM
@Chimera Too much effort for the almost predictable response "but ive ben waitin so long why wont u help me now?!"
 
It's probably better to (a) speak for oneself (b) don't sugar coat it:
"I'm sorry, I just don't feel like answering random questions of strangers in chat right now"
 
And again, why do we give a damn if they just come in here as a helpdesk, especially Java?
 
@sehe That's my point. It can be done politely. But it's just me. I'd rather be polite first, then get nastier as needed. Y'all might want to be jerks right away.... each to his own I guess.
 
Is the Lounge< C++ > not big enough?
 
alright, I have a pointer member variable that's NULL outside a member function, and not-NULL inside the function. I did a rebuild, but can't think of what else to try.
 
9:49 PM
@Drise We do it to people who ask C++ questions as well.
 
@Chimera Well, yes. But sometimes we do help them.
 
@Chimera I'm always polite first. I can be direct though. I don't think this was impolite:
Sep 5 at 1:06, by sehe
@epic_syntax hi back. drive by linking is not appreciated here. See the newbie-hints
Sep 5 at 1:06, by sehe
@MohamedAhmedNabil Google or search Stack Overflow for "SSO". Also, strings are dynamically allocated from the heap (except for the small strings, hence SSO)
 
@DeadMG Long enough to know most of the standard beginner questions, and a fair number of more advanced ones as well. Emphasis should be on what you've learned, not the exact number of days.
 
@Chimera Note that the first message was also the binning of the guy's drive by link
 
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A: Splitting std::string and inserting into a std::set

Drise#include <set> #include <iostream> #include <string> int main() { std::string temp, mystring; std::set<std::string> myset; while(std::getline(std::cin, temp)) mystring += temp + ' '; temp = ""; for (size_t i = 0; i < mystring.length(); i++) { ...

Case in point^
 
9:51 PM
@Drise In point?
 
@Drise heh, I remember that one
 
@sehe It always sounds like and..
 
@sehe Me neither. I guess I'm just saying there really isn't a need to right off jump into "piss off" mode. Unless that is your natural disposition, no names...
 
@JerryCoffin Good point. Damn, you're a helpful guy.
 
@MooingDuck So much hate for me, so much love for you.
 
9:52 PM
@Drise It always sounds like words to me. This is why I always just type words :)
 
@Chimera What? Piss off.
 
@DeadMG Glad to help.
 
@Chimera No, I've just gotten progressively less tolerant for overly stated reasons.
 
not that I have a "piss off" disposition or anything.
 
@DeadMG LOL
 
9:52 PM
@DeadMG Do it your effin' self!
 
@Drise Actually, ironically, I've been getting somewhat more tolerant
 
@DeadMG You give I take?
 
these people really annoy me, but the rest of the Lounge isn't quite so frustrated, so I've been trying to lay back a bit
 
@DeadMG And I am willing to testify that, indeed, he has.
 
@Drise You've progressively gotten more rude in general..... Just sayin.
 
9:53 PM
@Chimera I know..
 
a little too much learning from the master
 
@Drise But I know you're going through a lot now also.
 
As I've said before, I'm trying to be more civil. Just have a short fuse.
 
To many people seem to be on edge once a 'new guy' appears. They seem to want to 'force everyone into the mould' from the onset. There's, however, no way to do that, than by patience, polite conversation and gentle prodding.
 
@Drise "Just add fire."
@sehe We're on edge when a new guy appears because they tend fairly largely towards repetitive help vampires.
 
9:56 PM
@DeadMG So what? What the fuck do 'tendencies' have to do with 'individuals'?
 
@sehe I only force people into a mold -- forcing them into the mould seems like it could be pretty rude (some of that mould is really smelly!)
 
@sehe Except when the individual came in here asking about netbeans and eclipse help?
 
It's ok to be vigilant. Reserve energies. But not ok to take it out on people who don't immediately get it. which happened, quite a number of times over the last, say, 2 months
@Drise Are you referring to a specific case?
 
I'm not gonna pretend that I've never overreacted.
 
@sehe The one that sparked this whole conversation, yes.
 
9:57 PM
@DeadMG I'm pretty sure you never did (lol)
Hey, even I overreacted once or twice. I like to think I always explicitely apologized or put things in perspective, at the very least.
@Drise I'm not in the mood to read backlogs. Obviously, the discussion had moved to the more general case.
 
but the unfortunate fact is, the flamesuit is called for much more often than the "That's OK, I get it that you didn't understand.", so it's not a surprise that it comes pre-prepared.
 

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