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3:00 PM
If there is one thing I have learnt, it's that 'computer desks' suck ass big time
 
@BartekBanachewicz Start with a two-meter screen, and pick your desk accordingly.
 
they are cheap flimsy bits of crap that are just wrong every where you look
 
@JerryCoffin two-meter in terms of diagonal size? That would be 78" o.O
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
 
erm... 2m... that's 60 inches. right? that's a mighty big screen :P
 
3:01 PM
"Just adjust this with inline styles, I'll put it all in the main css file later" is like saying that you'll grin a bear to death next week.
 
oh boy, I would like one of those
 
I was planning on 2x24", which give around 40" total
 
@thecoshman well duh
 
@thecoshman My point exactly. You don't need multiple monitors if you get one that's big enough (and high enough resolution, of course).
 
@thecoshman you couldn't afford the electricity bill
 
3:02 PM
@sehe ¬_¬ how do you know
 
I'm psychic that way
 
@JerryCoffin not quite. As a 3D developer, I sometimes want to run something fullscreen, while still being able to debug/monitor/chat on SO
 
@JerryCoffin multiple monitors offers more then just shere size
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, it is true that graphics hardware is sadly deficient -- should be able to designate a screen area of your choice that a particular application will see as "full screen".
 
Ell
I have a class with only a constructor and a void Manage()... is this bad?
 
3:05 PM
@JerryCoffin You didn't get quite to the point. Windowed mode works just fine. It's the impression to the end user that matters ;)
 
@JerryCoffin ahem. Xephyr, anyone? Just run an additional X server, in fact. Make it run headless, or use Xvnc server to do the debugging remotely. Zillions of options
 
@Ell probably
 
@Ell Yes. You should delete the class - it doesn't do any work!
 
Ell
@thecoshman it's also written in java
 
@Ell Definitely.
WTF does Manage mean?
 
3:06 PM
@Ell definitely wrong then
 
Just ask yourself "Would renaming it to DoStuff hurt?" If the answer is no, it's terrible.
 
@Ell Die in a fire!
 
@Neil well well. Kill it with fire
 
Sorry, Ell, I don't know what got a hold of me there..
 
@Neil Boredom. Happens a lot to you lately
 
3:08 PM
posted on August 31, 2012

Programmers are still trying to resolve the tension between safety and performance.

 
Ell
Haha
well it's an IRC bot that "manages" quake games. counts score according to winners, sets up games and stuff
 
@sehe All good except for one minor detail: X.
 
fire is such an overrated way of killing. I have taken recently to the notion of a giant ruck crushing wheels that rotate so very slowly
 
@Ell Just name your class "DeleteSystemFiles"
 
Okay, but with a name like "Manage", it might as well be "Do" or "Execute" or "Go"
 
Ell
3:09 PM
yeah, it may as well be. But I don't know what to call it
 
@thecoshman Do you ever type a sentence that doesn't contain an error?
 
@Ell See, "manages quake games" tells me exactly as much info as "does stuff with quake games".
@Ell What does it do?
 
@Drise every so often... I think
 
Well I imagine you do things inside Manage that call other methods right?
 
If you can't tell one thing that it does, it's doing too much.
 
3:11 PM
Why have a single method in a class? There's only one thing you can do with it. Unless you plan on adding other stuff, rename it "Initialize" and call it from the constructor
 
Hey guys what does this "FuckWorkingHere" function do?
 
@jornak Sends a picture of an ass to your boss's e-mail address
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes That doesn't really apply to IRC bots, now
 
Uh?
"It's an IRC bot".
That gives loads of information.
It's not an "IRC message manager".
 
@jornak And then simulates the effects of shitting on said boss's desk.
 
3:14 PM
@Drise Desk-shitting simulation? That's so 2006
 
Oh, so perfect onebox
 
@Drise It still has some bugs though. Sometimes it'll shit in the toilet and it won't have any affect on your boss
 
peace out kiddies
 
@Drise Oh god I forgot about that
 
3:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I couldn't have (not) planned that any better
 
I have been offered a Smalltalk job today :)
 
@Drise Your use of a double negative in parentheses confuses me
 
@Neil Sometimes. Other times it misses the toilet entirely.
 
@FredOverflow Wow, those things exist?
 
@jornak I couldn't have planned that any better, but I actually didn't plan it at all.
 
3:16 PM
@Drise Except he's not shitting on the boss's desk: he's the BAUS.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, yeah. Details.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's what I'm struggling with really. It needs to do more than one thing
for example there needs to be a list of members
I was thinking of calling it "ChannelBot"
 
… all I wanted to do is hack together a little R script … now I have re-installed (from source!) Mercurial, a fuckload and Python and am currently compiling Vim :'(
 
WTWJGIBHER.
WTF.
 
… which fails :'(
 
3:19 PM
@KonradRudolph What were you drinking?
 
Nothing, I just apparently need a newer Vim version for some plugin which I’ve been told to use by some dude on Stack Overflow in no uncertain terms
 
@KonradRudolph What plugin?
 
(and since I’m not above outing somebody: that someone is Dirk Edelbüttel)
 
@Ell Then is should probably be two (or more) separate classes instead.
 
he essentially told me that I’m doing it wrong and that I’m an idiot until I do it right
@jornak Vim-R
 
3:20 PM
How old is your vim?
 
Vim-R 0.9.7 requires the latest VIM iirc
 
Compiling vim is easy.
 
@KonradRudolph How 'bout if I counter: "using Vim (at all) is wrong, and you're an idiot until you uninstall it." :-)
 
The latest, 7.3, is from two years ago.
 
@KonradRudolph On meta, someone said you're one of the people who made SO famous. How so?
 
3:22 PM
Look at patchlevel.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There might be some people who run older systems who never update
:P
 
@JerryCoffin well, I’d love to hear your reason for that
@Drise No clue
 
Well, what were the reasons of that guy then?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It’s not “my” vim, it’s maintained by IT services, it’s on the cluster
but unfortunately they cannot be assed to install up to date software, they’re understaffed
 
@KonradRudolph It's a communist vim.
 
3:24 PM
@KonradRudolph Shoot them?
Oh wait, that would make the problem worse.
 
I have 7.3.480 from March.
 
@StackedCrooked In Communist Vim, text edits YOU
 
@CatPlusPlus Linux? Compiled from source?
 
Windows.
Yes.
 
@CatPlusPlus Would that make a difference for a plugin?
 
3:25 PM
@KonradRudolph I guess it would summarize as: "I despise vim", but that's probably not very convincing, so "because vim is ugly, unproductive, and isn't really an editor at all, but a framework for adding mismatched plugins in a doomed attempt at turning it into an editor."
 
It might.
Dunno.
 
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A: I am not a robot!

sbiOver almost four years on Stack Overflow, Konrad has earned almost 150k rep. A highly committed Stack Overflow citizen, with 2.5k answers and a mere 60 questions, he's one of those users that made Stack Overflow famous. He has 40(!) accounts across Stack Exchange, eight of whi...

 
@JerryCoffin At least it's not nano
 
> A highly committed Stack Overflow citizen, with 2.5k answers and a mere 60 questions, he's one of those users that made Stack Overflow famous.
 
Why don't you ask... I don't know... @sbi?
 
3:26 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, that’s of course ridiculous … but for argument’s sake, what are you using?
@Drise I’m just assuming that I was an early adopter who quickly gained a lot of reputation since I was at that time stranded in a tiny village with nothing to do in my long evenings
 
Newest vim is 7.3.646.
From two days ago.
 
PL isn't going to matter too terribly much for plugins though, will it?
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, that yields a linker error here
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fantastic idea!
 
@KonradRudolph That depends. If I had to stick to one thing, it would probably be VS. When I'm unhappy with that, I use something I wrote years ago. It's highly idiosyncratic, but (by far) the best I've found for certain operations. Unfortunately, I've never gotten around to updating it, so it's still written strictly for MS-DOS...
 
3:30 PM
@JerryCoffin uhm … troll much?
 
@KonradRudolph No, never.
 
> "If you're jealous of those with more money, don't just sit there and complain; do something to make more money yourself - spend less time drinking, or smoking and socialising, and more time working."
FUCK
 
… Default Vim configuration is without Unicode support?!?
 
Leave me alone, stupid copypaste assholes.
> World's richest woman says poor should have less fun, work harder
 
"'Honey Boo Boo' Ratings Top Republican National Convention"
Ahahahaha.
 
3:34 PM
@Drise You should probably also spend less time fucking and more time working.
 
Yeah, there's no way in hell Romney's beating Obama.
 
@Drise How else do you think you can get rich?
 
@FredOverflow What if he was a gigalo?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Inheritance, duh. She hasn't worked a fucking day in her life.
@jornak I'd be down for that.
 
@Drise So, did you inherit anything? No? Then work harder.
 
3:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I inherited equals and hashCode :(
 
All I hear is a bunch of whining communist sympathizers!
 
@FredOverflow And a monitor and clone?
 
Oops, I didn't change my username on SO. That's awkward.
 
@mootinator No, she's straight up an asshole. You don't go around being the world's richest woman, who got it all from inheritance, and tell people to work harder to become rich.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, it's a total mess :(
 
3:37 PM
@Drise Why?
 
@Drise I changed to 'mccarthynator' on meta, hence the communist comment. It just didn't work here.
 
@Drise That's an ad hominem argument.
 
@Drise She must have quite the boring life.
 
You're just pissed off that she was lucky and you weren't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I could give two fucks less. Just saying, you don't not work hard for all your riches and tell people to work harder and not have fun so "they can be like you".
 
3:39 PM
Doesn't sound like it.
 
Although some, if not most, poor people could stand to work more, just sayin'.
 
:5176759
 
@Drise So, you can't say stuff that makes sense, if you're lucky?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doesn't look that way to me. Being lucky is one thing -- getting wealth through luck, but trying to claim (or even imply) it was all from your own hard work is another.
 
@JerryCoffin From what he quoted, that's not what she's claiming.
 
3:40 PM
@JerryCoffin There we go. That's what I've been sayin.
 
That's a quite standard right wing view though. The idea that if someone is poor, it's entirely his or her fault, while being rich is always the result of hard work. Like society has no hand in this.
 
> "If you're jealous of those with more money, don't just sit there and complain," she said in a magazine piece. "Do something to make more money yourself -- spend less time drinking or smoking and socialising, and more time working."
 
She's claiming hard work is your shot at getting rich.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes She may not claim it directly, but I think it's at least strongly implied.
 
Why are people poor? Rinehart blamed what she described as "socialist," anti-business government policies, and urged Australian officials to lower the minimum wage and cut taxes.
 
3:42 PM
I don't think any right winger is naive enough to believe that being rich is always the result of hard work.
 
lower minimum wage? are you fucking kidding?
 
I don't really give a shit about getting rich. It won't solve any problems that actually matter (like C++ not having modules and polymorphic lambdas and stuff).
 
> Rinehart made her money the old-fashioned way: She inherited it. Her family iron ore prospecting fortune of $30.1 billion makes her Australia's wealthiest person and the richest woman on the planet.
 
@Drise Yeah, proponents of the neoclassical school are completely disconnected from reality.
 
The idea that you can escape abject poverty through hard work seems fairly solid though.
 
3:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd tend to say that for most people in most situations, that's really not the case. While getting rich does typically involve hard work, just working hard usually doesn't result in getting rich.
 
Here's an interesting statistic from Canada...
 
@mootinator You'll need help though. And that's what generally missing.
 
@JerryCoffin Look at all the people who hold two jobs, and barely get by.
 
@JerryCoffin Maybe. But it doesn't matter if she got to her situation through luck or hard work.
It's irrelevant how she got her fortune.
 
The province I live in has the lowest unemployment rate, and the lowest minimum wage. (And most people in crap jobs don't get paid the minimum wage anyhow).
 
3:44 PM
Greetings friends of PHP.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If she built the company from the ground up, then I'd say she would have a foot to stand on, but since she inherited it all, fuck her.
 
Lowering minimum wage encourages employers to hire new people
I'm not going to say it doesn't suck if it happened to you, but there are not only disadvantages
 
@Drise There you are again claiming her argument makes no sense because she said it.
What if I said it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not saying it doesn't make sense. Just saying she's an asshole for saying it.
 
Envy of the rich is not a good thing.
 
3:46 PM
@Drise Completely irrelevant, in reality. I will posit that no matter where you are, or the rest of the economy in general, minimum wage is going to be crappy pay. Trying to support a family (for example) on minimum wage is always going to suck, no matter what number you attach to it. For most practical purposes, "how much you make" is equivalent to "how many times more than minimum wage do you earn"
 
@Chimera It is. It’s the sole drive behind our whole economy
 
@KonradRudolph Well, we used to have a society that was driven to succeed. Now we have a society that largely just wants to suck at the teets of government.
 
@Chimera True and false.
 
@Chimera We have the government to thank for that, not capitalists
If capitalists had their way, the government would almost be a figure of your imagination
 
ooh, politics
 
3:48 PM
@MooingDuck not quite politics: World's richest woman says poor should have less fun, work harder
 
@Drise Which as much as you may hate her for being rich, those are sage words
 
@Chimera Eh. You do know that welfare generally means crappy life conditions, right?
 
Is 'the poor' really PC in the English-speaking world? I would say it's not in French.
 
@Chimera That’s a pretty big, and defamatory, statement. And it’s simply not true. Most people do not want to live by the mercy of their governments
 
@Chimera The government makes it too easy, to be honest.
 
3:49 PM
@Drise IIRC, when minimum wage falls, income per capita increases (very slightly).
 
@Drise WHICH government?!
 
If entrepreneurs are doing well and making a lot of money, everyone benefits
 
@MooingDuck that is a crass simplification of a very complex issue
 
@Neil I don't hate her for being rich, I hate her for being rich, not having to work for any of it, and telling others to work harder.
 
So, boosting the economy is a matter of helping such entrepreneurs
 
3:50 PM
@KonradRudolph US, of course. We be merkins round these parts
 
@Neil Not under all circumstances. Not if their making money is predicated on making other people poorer, or destroying workers’ lives, creating monopolies, etc.
@Drise The US gov’t is making it easy?! For whom? White, healthy males with above-average income, maybe
 
@EtiennedeMartel In many cases, however, if you qualify for many of the government subsidies you can live rather well. And part of what determines your standard of living is whether you have to work or not. I know not all people on welfare are gaming the system.
 
@Drise See the forest for the trees. The message is what counts
 
Sadly, the current definition of "helping entrepreneurs" is "throwing piles of money at alternative energy startups so they can go bankrupt".
 
@Chimera You still end up paying taxes and buying things. You are much more important to the economy than all those huge megacorps who hide money in tax havens.
 
3:52 PM
@KonradRudolph Easy to get welfare and stay on it? Easy to get WIC and waste over half the food they purchase from organic food stores that even I can't shop at because it's too expensive?
 
@KonradRudolph Well then that would undoubtedly bring about the failure of other entrepreneurs
 
@mootinator No that's called paying back your supporters.
 
Bringing about the success of one entrepreneur is not going to help the economy. They all have to benefit
 
Ohhhh :P
 
@Neil No, that is utter bullshit. This primitive economics model has been obsolete for ages
 
3:53 PM
@KonradRudolph If you're apple, you want to see Samsung die a fiery death
 
@Drise It's not that much more expensive, actually. And I don't think the person you described actually exists.
 
there’s short-term and long-term success and short-sighted entrepreneuring may optimise the former all the while making the long-term prospect of everybody misderable
 
You don't care about some bum selling old nokias for 20 bucks on the street
 
@Neil Yes. And if you’re a customer, you do not want this.
@Drise So you think living off welfare is easy/good?
 
@KonradRudolph I'm fully aware. My point was that if apple succeeds and samsung fails, you're not helping all entrepreneurs..
 
3:54 PM
or even just OK?
 
@EtiennedeMartel She does. My mother works with her at the US Space and Rocket Center food court. She buys from the local market "EarthFare" which is organic foods only and about 175% price of normal stores. She also buys organic makeup and other bullshit.
 
@Neil Ah. So no debate then
 
@KonradRudolph I never claimed that
I claimed that if all entrepreneurs are doing well, meaning, samsung and apple, then so does the economy
 
@KonradRudolph Some people make it seem like it is.
 
ah
okay
 
3:55 PM
Hello @sehe
 
@Drise Well done extrapolating from a single, f’ed-up case, then
;)
 
@KonradRudolph I know for a fact that at one time, when I was young and had a crappy job, if I could have persuaded my boss to fire me, I would have received more from the government than I was getting paid from working full time.
 
@Chimera ohai
 
@Drise She's getting ripped off, actually.
 
@JerryCoffin Which shows that the system has flaws. It does not show that welfare is bad, nor that the gov’t makes it easy for everybody, nor a gazillion other things claimed by libertarians/republicans
 
3:56 PM
@EtiennedeMartel She buys it with WIC, so what does she care? Also note that she buys a bunch of food and just lets it spoil because she gets soo much WIC.
 
@Drise Then what do you suggest?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I knew a guy who got unemployment and disability. He sat around playing everquest all day every day, and I was always jealous of how nice everything he owned was and the sheer amount of food at his place.
 
I just know that once the government starts getting citizens used to something free, it is ten times more difficult to remove it afterwards, since no politician Republican or otherwise wants to be the one known for taking something away from voters
 
@KonradRudolph I don't know that there's any way to prove most such things either way. Most of them are poorly enough defined that proof is probably impossible (e.g., what qualifies as "easy"?)
 

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