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7:00 PM
What does it take to be able to talk here? Were you too shy before?
 
@FredOverflow I think you scared him
 
It takes 20 reputation and I'm shy.
 
Now you can finally have arguments with us. Or would you prefer parameters instead?
6
 
lol
 
Clever lol
 
7:01 PM
nice
 
i want to be just like you guys; C++ experts
 
@Abhishek Bring 'em here. We'll shatter their resolves.
 
oh... is it that user-some-number?
 
@user1515422 Hm, so I could downvote you.
 
7:03 PM
@EtiennedeMartel nah, he's only got 2 posts, we'd all need to downvote both of them.
 
Sure, if you feel the need to.
 
I don't feel the need to troll unless it's required.
 
Trolling?
What?
 
@JerryCoffin Congratulations :) :) :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel wont listen .
 
7:04 PM
@TonyTheLion wow... how I did I miss that?
 
We could go to India and punch them in the face. That's usually the best way to settle compiler disputes.
 
So, anypony. Do you guys like answer questions here or just chat?
 
@JerryCoffin Congrats!!!
@user1515422 both
 
So, can I ask here?
 
or should I say, neither - we troll
@user1515422 Ask on stackoverflow.
 
7:05 PM
Did you read the code of conduct???
 
Uhhh no, should I?
 
@Mysticial it is on the star board, that's how I noticed it
 
Hmmmmmm....
Jul 13 at 10:48, by R. Martinho Fernandes
If you are new here, please read the code of conduct. Thank you.
 
If you ask here, not only will you not get any rep for your questions. But you'll probably end up getting trolled as well.
 
we have some master trollers around here
the incremented cat, and the cute little puppy, do a fairly good job of it, mostly
among others
 
7:07 PM
@user1515422 Well, you've got a long and exciting journey ahead of you.
 
I do?
 
The lounge has already answered two or three drop in questions today, that's two or three more than our limit. We're exhibiting undefined behavior.
 
The tesseract says your 3D world is pitiful.
 
like, how long does it take to become a C++ expert
 
7:07 PM
10+ years
 
longer than any of us have left to live.
 
nah, bit more
 
depends on your previous experience
 
about 69 is good
 
yea cause 69 is on my favoriete number list
 
7:08 PM
guys im losing reputation
like quick
i was at 85 then now 35
 
@user1515422 Why did you bounty that question?
 
Oh, i didnt know what I was doing
 
@user1515422 yea with name like that, it's easy. Your name reminds me of the prison system where inmates get numbers instead of names.
 
how do I change it?
i want a cool name like "The Best Hacker"
 
What? No prison sex joke @Tony?
 
7:09 PM
It says "ARE YOU SURE? THIS CANNOT BE UNDONE!"
 
@user1515422 Oh ic... you wanted a better answer. It costs rep to bounty something. There's no way to reverse it once it has been set.
 
or wait, is that the awarding it that does that?
 
but you get a badge, I think. Merry Christmas.
 
i thought I was getting 50 rep
not losing 50 rep
 
7:10 PM
lol
 
@KeithLayne you can get butt raped in prison, butt no joke in that really
 
That's how I got all my rep too.
 
Give an answer worthy of 5 votes
 
*upvotes
 
just wait for one where you can quote the standard. that's guaranteed 5
@Mysticial, lol
 
7:11 PM
how about you guys ask a question like "what does std::endl and '\n' do" and I could reply they both do the same thing and are the same thing
 
good point, you could quote a completely irrelevant section
 
well, they're not.
 
what?
 
^
that's already been asked, too
 
me and crhis want to know
 
7:12 PM
70
Q: C++: "std::endl" vs "\n"

Head GeekMany C++ books contain example code like this... std::cout << "Test line" << std::endl; ...so I've always done that too. But I've seen a lot of code from working developers like this instead: std::cout << "Test line\n"; Is there a technical reason to prefer one over the ot...

 
Nah, your post snuck in there
I actually just finished reading that question
Since it was part of my Bucky commenting
 
i like bucky's c++ tutorials on Youtube
 
@chris was that you throwing standard quotes at him?
 
Yeah, I gave one of why you don't need return 0 in main.
 
@user1515422 Well, that's going to get you ignored by everyone in here.
 
7:13 PM
wait, i thought main was supposed to return an integer
 
@user1515422 Most C++ Internet tutorials suck donkey balls.
 
so it doesnt have to?
 
@SamDeHaan I think that's a little unfair
 
what's wrong with his tutorials? hes funny and has TONS of them
 
21
Q: What is the proper declaration of main?

FredOverflowWhat is the proper signature of the main function in C++? What is the correct return type, and what does it mean to return a value from main? What are the allowed parameter types, and what are their meanings? Is this system-specific? Have those rules changed over time? What happens if I violate...

 
@KeithLayne Since when have the actions of the Lounge Collective hinged on "fair"?
 
@SamDeHaan I think the main determining factor is whether or not you're an asshole or refuse to let go of ignorance in the face of the onslaught of C++ goodness that is the lounge.
 
@user1515422, There are specific things in there that either aren't true, or are bad to do. I'm going to point them out.
 
@user1515422 It's just a general observation. I have never seen "bucky's C++ tutorials". It's just that at least 90% of the stuff you read on the Internet about C++ contains unforgivable factual errors.
 
@SamDeHaan good point.
 
7:15 PM
@KeithLayne Also a good point.
 
return 0 isn't one of them, but it's extra typing
 
Or if you make 20 times as much as me.
 
so i shouldnt be watching his tutorials? I want the best to learn with c++ because when I turn 15 i want to quit high school and go to college
 
that's pretty much categorically a terrible idea.
 
well im 12 so i have a lot of thinking i can do to solve my issues
 
7:16 PM
I hate all the formalities that comes with a master thesis. There are so many papers that have to be signed
 
I hate all the thesising that comes with a masters thesis.
 
@user1515422 quitting high school tends to look bad on college admission papers.
 
1364
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are released every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a good C++ book...

 
no, im going to pay for college so they wont have a choice but to let me in
 
7:18 PM
umm
 
@jalf Btw, I will do some test this weekend, Thomas answered me :) I just haven't had the time to do it yet.
 
the best chance of getting in is when they pay you to join
and you pay them back in tuition
 
@user1515422 Not how it works.
 
@user1515422 Why on earth do you want to learn C++ at the age of 12? You could be so much more productive with pretty much any other language.
 
@user1515422 That's not really how it works. They can refuse you even if you have the cash on hand to pay for X years of tuition.
 
7:18 PM
Just study it yourself in your spare time at high school. It's working great for me.
 
I also heard from somewhere that 13 is the age minimum for SO. So if the mods find out, you'll be banned until you're 13.
 
Better question, why don't you go outside and play?
 
why dont I go outside?
because kids make fun of me a lot and thats why I hate school
 
yes, be young.
My body is broken, I can't do that anymore.
 
but i like learning to code
 
7:20 PM
When did C++ implement the STL containers?
 
So do I, but it's highly likely that you lack some important knowledge at this point.
C++ didn't, SGI did.
 
it was a joke im actually 13
okay?
;)
 
@keith.layne, I mean when did C++ include them in the language
 
C++98 I think.
 
because they are easy to use
 
7:20 PM
The Standard Template Library (STL) is a C++ software library which heavily influenced many parts of the C++ Standard Library. It provides four components called algorithms, containers, functional, and iterators. The STL provides a ready-made set of common classes for C++, such as containers and associative arrays, that can be used with any built-in type and with any user-defined type that supports some elementary operations (such as copying and assignment). STL algorithms are independent of containers, which significantly reduces the complexity of the library. The STL achieves its res...
 
omg change that now, STL is not C++
 
there is my most recent game
 
@chris ...read it again. Slower.
 
@chris high school is nothing but spare time.
You don’t even have to go and nothing will happen.
 
7:22 PM
pastebin.com/LYKD3Aj7 -- my new c++ game [judge 5/0]
 
In fact, not going to high school leaves you with more time to learn something actually useful, i.e. software development.
 
@user1515422 my eyeballs just melted.
 
@user1515422 you should seriously buy a good book
like Accelerated C++
 
what's wrong with it?
bucky taught me it
 
it will teach you how to rock
 
7:22 PM
the better question, what's right with it?
 
Wait, where are the functions?
 
functions?
i use the goto function a lot
12
 
Oh god, Bucky, the guy from those YouTube videos?
 
because its neater
 
7:23 PM
Are you trolling?
 
yeah, hes a good teacher and has TONS of videos to learn from
 
Use functions.
 
jigs up now
 
7:23 PM
lawlz
 
There is tons of shit in my toilet, but that doesn't make it any better.
 
Wait, Bucky does goto?
 
The only language where goto is useful, is C.
 
I'm going to enjoy flaming that
 
And that is not C++.
 
7:24 PM
i guess im trolling?
 
Xeo
Yummy, just had chanterelle with meat cut into strips and chanterelle creme sauce
 
Take it easy on him, he says he's only 12. (either that or he's some old guy trying to troll us) - give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise
 
i dont really know what trolling is lol
 
Anyway, I’m off, installing the new OS X.
 
@user1515422 Well, I'm doubting you're being serious.
 
7:24 PM
Oh nevermind. It takes three minutes.
 
the meta police sent him to troll us
 
Xeo
@user1515422 If you want real good videos, take a look at this list
 
i was kidding, that wasnt my code, it was my friends code
 
If you ever use goto again, I’ll personally come to your house and smack you with a big label.
Use functions.
 
i dont honestly understand, but okay
 
7:25 PM
 
Pure functions.
 
@RadekSlupik you got an iMac?
 
Anyway, see you guys!
And that fatass.
 
@FredOverflow ow...
 
what?
 
7:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes He posted a question tagged BOTH AND . Obvious troll.
 
@FredOverflow You weren't supposed to post that picture of me.
 
lol i dont know whats goning on
 
Xeo
Btw @FredO, I think the list needs a dynamic RSS feed for STL :)
 
Ohh, I found the one goodpart of the code.
goto town;
 
town:
 
7:26 PM
in C goto makes sense sometimes. (That's not an endorsement of goto, but a criticism of C)
 
@Xeo I don't even know what an RSS feed is. Talk to someone else :)
 
setjmp/longjmp FTW
 
If you're going to use goto, use it right:

`http://stackoverflow.com`
...
goto http:
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow What the Feeds guy dumps from time to time is read from such feeds :)
 
is recursive main good?
 
7:27 PM
@user1515422 It's illegal to call main yourself.
 
@user1515422 recursive main is illegal by the standard
 
I give up, curse the auto-link
 
oh, but can I use it to do stuff?
 
Xeo
@chris Atleast it looks good in the starboard!
 
I just watched bucky's 2nd video, and to be honest, it wasn't that bad. Sure, he wrote using namespace std;, but almost any tutorial does that for brevity's sake, even STL does it. On to the 3rd video.
 
7:28 PM
@user1515422 use what to do what?
 
@user1515422, Someone used it to confuse people in C: research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/tball/papers/XmasGift
 
i dont even write using namespace std; lol
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Link?
 
ill show you an example of recursive main
 
@FredOverflow, I'm killing the bad habits
 
7:29 PM
 
Recursive main is forbidden in C++.
 
int main () {
    Widget w;
    Widget w2(std::move(w));
}
 
Your code is bad, you are bad, and you should feel bad.
 
int main() {
 
7:29 PM
According to Overview of the New C++, w is in a valid state after this
 
@user1515422 Try Shift-Enter.
 
let me just sign into roblox
 
But I believe I've heard STL say that you shouldn't touch w after it has been moved, that it's garbage
 
oh okay thanks man
 
Recursive main is forbidden in C++ only if it is recursively forbidden in C++.
 
7:30 PM
27
Q: What can I do with a moved-from object?

FredOverflowDoes the standard define precisely what I can do with an object once it has been moved from? I used to think that all you can do with a moved-from object is do destruct it, but that would not be sufficient. For example, take the function template swap as defined in the standard library: templat...

 
Xeo
@ManofOneWay It's in an unspecified state (atleast standard containers are)
 
int main(int argc,char** argv){
return (((((argc==1)?100:(argc-1))+((((argc==1)?100:(argc-1))==1)?0:main((argc==1)?100:argc-1,argv)))%3==0)?std::cout << "Fizz ":(((argc==1)?100:(argc-1))%5==0)?std::cout:std::cout<<((argc==1)?100:(argc-1))) << ((((argc==1)?100:(argc-1))%5==0)?"Buzz":"") << "\n",0;
}
is that good?
 
Does it look good?
4
 
nooo
 
@user1515422 use Haskell.
 
7:31 PM
@ManofOneWay Objects are never garbage in C++, unless you did something wrong.
 
> do you always have to write endl before every semi-colon
 
it does the fizz buzz program
 
@RadekSlupik You're not helping.
 
I know.
 
the fizz buzz challenege I mean
 
7:31 PM
@keith.layne, I replied to that one lol
 
and this is recurssive main!
 
Use Malbolge.
 
me?
 
I know, but I don't understand why you say:
 
It shouldn't compile.
It is illegal.
 
7:31 PM
it does
 
> It's easier, and basically the same thing (especially these days), to put '\n' for a newline instead.
 
You should be locked in prison.
 
it compiles with the compiler "dev-c++"
 
You did something illegal.
Dev-C++ isn't a compiler.
3
 
itss not?
 
7:32 PM
It's an IDE.
 
Xeo
So, who still believes this one is not a troll?
 
clang and MSVC are compilers.
@Xeo good point. Plonk.
 
i guess im a troll, idk
 
@keith.layne, I didn't get too into it, but saying "Hello\n" is easier than "Hello" << endl;
 
am i a troll?
 
7:33 PM
Doesn't Dev-C++ use g++ 3.x or something? :)
 
@Fred wouldn't surprise me.
 
Evening people
 
@FredOverflow, Yeah, something like that.
 
It uses MinGW or something.
 
djgpp anyone?
 
7:33 PM
Orwell Dev-C++ uses the mingw compiler
 
Oh wait, Dev-C++ is under active development again? Didn't know that.
 
Then C::B download hasn't been updated since 2010, so 4.4.1
 
it is
 
So you basically have to update it yourself
 
Dev-C++ is a free integrated development environment (IDE) distributed under the GNU General Public License for programming in C and C++. MinGW, a free compiler, is bundled with it. The IDE is written in Delphi. The project is hosted by SourceForge. Dev-C++ was originally developed by programmer Colin Laplace. Dev-C++ runs exclusively on Microsoft Windows. Bloodshed Dev-C++ is a full-featured Integrated Development Environment (IDE) for the C and C++ programming languages. It uses the MinGW or TDM-GCC 64bit port of the GCC as its compiler. Dev-C++ can also be used in combination with Cyg...
 
7:34 PM
@FredOverflow Yep, but it still sucks
 
Use Sublime Text 2.
At least it supports Haskell.
 
i use sublime text 2 and the gcc compiler
when im on linux computer
 
Sublime Text is great but it's expensive.
 
its free dude
you dont have to buy a liscense
 
Lol paying for text editors.
 
7:35 PM
@kbok you don't have to buy it.
Just use the unlimited trial version.
 
yeah
 
I know, I have the trial version, but the constant messages are annoying.
 
you dont have to pay for anything
 
But that wouldn't feel right on the inside
 
You get a message once in a time, but that's worth it. It's not really annoying.
 
7:35 PM
Emacs, people
 
Constant?
I only get it about once a day.
 
a constant is cool; i use it on global variables
 
Just because it doesn't enforce DRM, doesn't mean you can use it.
 
i want to be a kernal developer
 
I can use it.
 
7:36 PM
@user1515422 Evidence is mounting
 
what?
 
yup
 
@RadekSlupik Maybe i'm exaggerating :) That's the feeling I get.
 
@user1515422 Then you won't be using C++ much
 
ill be using ASM
 
7:36 PM
@Collin You're crazy.
 
Assembly and c is what ill use
 
@user1515422 unlikely, there's very little asm in the (linux) kernel anymore
 
I feel plonkage coming on
 
@user1515422 You can start by spelling it right.
 
@CatPlusPlus I just have funny shaped hands
 
Xeo
7:37 PM
^ just found something interesting
 
what did I spell wrong?
 
kernel
 
and people dont use assembly anymore?
oh like a popcorn kernal
 
are you in India? Apparently ASM is big there.
 
@Xeo That's really cool.
 
7:38 PM
@user1515422 Not really
 
@user1515422 Intrinsics are the new inline assembly.
 
@user1515422 *twitch*
 
@Xeo Rx is cool.
 
then what will i be using? visual basic?
 
Speaking of which, anyone knows good material on SSE2 ?
 
7:38 PM
@Collin deep breaths, dude.
 
Xeo
hm, markdown fail.... but why
 
markup*
like HTML which stands for hyper texter markup language
 
@kbok Yes, but I don't have the links at home :) Just google SSE2 tutorial or something.
 
What the hell is a popcorn kernal.
 
@kbok I basically taught myself SSE by looking at the complete list of intrinsics.
 
Xeo
7:39 PM
nvm
 
you have a half-closed interval?
 
lol hyper texter.
 
Markdown is a lightweight markup language, originally created by John Gruber and Aaron Swartz allowing people "to write using an easy-to-read, easy-to-write plain text format, then convert it to structurally valid XHTML (or HTML)". The language takes many cues from existing conventions for marking up plain text in email. Markdown is also a Perl script written by Gruber, Markdown.pl, which converts marked-up text input to valid, well-formed XHTML or HTML and replaces left-pointing angle brackets (' Markdown has since been re-implemented by others as a Perl module available on CPAN (Text:...
 
@Mysticial Any pitfalls I should look out for maybe ?
 
Today is plonk day. Rich in proteins.
 
7:39 PM
mines bigger
 
@kbok Yes, there's a lot of them. I learned them all the hard way.
 
@FredOverflow Thanks
 
seriously, what will i use to make a kernal so i can make my own oS?
 
wait, do spoilers work in here?
 
7:41 PM
they work on hackforums.net
 
@kbok I'd say, just try writing something simple with SSE and get it to work first. Don't expect it to be much faster than normal code. Show me and I'll probably be able to point out all the places to fix and why. That's probably the fastest way.
 
i'd recommend high level kernel language
 
JimN has changed his name to Chimera.
Please star that message so that it stays visible for today if you don't mind. I'd like to be sure everybody knows who I am.
 
[spoiler] hello [/spoiler]
 
I hate typing "tutorial" in Google. Shitty results always come up. Also Google insists on giving me french results, even thought I changed my language in the config.
 
7:41 PM
If anyone cares, they'll ask you. Really.
 
Y U B SO difficult Cat? :-)
 
what would they ask me?
 
I'm exhausted lately.
 
Working a lot Cat?
 
7:42 PM
no ,i want to use C++
 
The principles are the same.
 
@FredOverflow no i want to use c/C++ or ASM
 
You're not ready for writing a kernel.
 
I get "site du zero" as first result. It's the worst doc website I've always seen.
 
I had to write Obj-C code.
 
7:43 PM
@kbok Oh god, that.
 
obj-c is ugly
 
@user1515422 What is c/C++?
 
@user1515422 C/C++ is UB
 
@CatPlusPlus Is it really that bad?
 
@FredOverflow Carbon C++.
 
7:43 PM
@Chimera Yes.
 
@kbok s/always/ever/
 
Ah, so when you say c/C++, you actually mean C++.
 
@FredOverflow C is a superset language of C++
 
@Mysticial Thanks. What's the performance improvement ? I expected between x2 and x4. Is that right ?
 
7:43 PM
@user1515422 lol no
 
brb first ignored user
 
You're either a bad troll, or a bad programmer, or both. You won't get far with kernels either way.
 
@user1515422 Wrong the other way round
 
@FredOverflow yes, i can explain C++ but not c
 
@user1515422 no it's not
 
7:44 PM
@Chimera Neither way.
 
>! wish this worked in chat
 
@kbok It'll probably be the a lower than that on the firs try. Sometimes even slower.
 
@FredOverflow im actually pretty good with C++ but suck at C
 
@user1515422 You probably meant "subset".
 
And the plonking commences.
 
7:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sort of in that C++ borrowed a lot from C
?
 
@FredOverflow Same difference
 
Is this "kernel-space wannabes day", or what?
 
Now, I go away from chat for an hour while I wait for the rest of you to catch up.
 
@Mysticial Oh, well. I do that for the sake of learning stuff anyway.
 
@SamDeHaan Catch up with what?
 
7:45 PM
@SamDeHaan PLZ NO PLONK ME.. :-)
 
@Chimera Yes, but it's not a superset. It only took some things. Not all C compiles as C++.
 
@kbok The biggest mistakes first-timers make is too much packing and unpacking and trying to access individual elements of an SSE vector.
 
@CatPlusPlus no, im just doing kernal development when i turn 14
 
@FredOverflow plonking trolls. And @chimera
 
Is it possible to do decent kernel development in Haskell? How much runtime support does Haskell need?
 
7:45 PM
@user1515422 Great. Come back in 5 years.
 
Okay what's plonking.
 
Really you are going to plonk me Sam?
 
@CatPlusPlus no, im 12 right now
 
@Chimera Not you, silly.
 
7:46 PM
@CatPlusPlus thats only 4 years
 
Oh look, we have a grounds to call a mod to ban you.
 
> how can you create colors or buttons for a calculator i cant find anything to help me make games and programms some one plz tell hoe this all works!!! thanx
 
@CatPlusPlus I mean 2
 
@Chimera I auto plonk anyone that says PLZ in all caps, sorry. There are rules to civilized society, you know.
 
@RMartinho is that all? What about pattern matching? Or is that directly done in the machine code of the program?
 
7:46 PM
@CatPlusPlus Why?
 
@SamDeHaan :-)
 
@RadekSlupik Pattern matching is syntax.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes AFAIK they cannot have users that are <13.
 
thats a calculatur, proof I can make one
and its a good one
 
7:47 PM
:4689025 Please don't do that
 
@RadekSlupik In order to write a kernel, you need to (1) write code that can be executed on its own, without relying on an OS loading huge runtime libraries, interpreters or JIT compilers, and, if you want to keep the scope small, without reading complex executable file formats. And (2) you need to write, and be able to interface with, a small amount of assembly code. And that's it, really
 
Besides, bad trolling.
 
In Haskell you can do #2 with a thin C wrapper. You can't do #1 without lots of troubles.
 
Kernels are surprisingly non-magical :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes yus
 
7:47 PM
why do you guys mention trolling so much?
 
@jalf Using ELF is trivial.
 
am I trolling?
 
@jalf How big is the step from a sum = a + b calculator to a Kernel? :)
 
You just slap GRUB and it does everything
 
yiou mean BIOS
 
7:48 PM
I suppose you learned system("pause"); from Bucky-O too?
 
@user1515422 only half
 
no, from my friends at hackforums
 
'hackforums' - a word to google
 
People have written OSes in Haskell.
 
@CatPlusPlus Sure, but not as trivial as just jumping to the start of a blob of executable machine code. :)
 
7:48 PM
no, hackforums.net
 
get the mod, get rid of him
 
that's not hacking, that's just pissing the people who have something other than the standard pause.exe off
 
rid of me? for what?
 
@FredOverflow just about.... this big
 
Just plonk him. Problem solved.
 
7:49 PM
@KeithLayne Huh?
 
@CatPlusPlus Of course. People have written OSes in pretty much anything.
 
@RadekSlupik Well you can write a kernel in pretty much any language that supports byte-level manipulation.
 
@jalf Producing ELF can be easier than producing blob of properly done binary code. :P
 
There's an OS in Java FYI
 
@kbok Ruby!
 
7:49 PM
@sehe I blame cat. He started it.
 
@CatPlusPlus Very true. And I'm not saying you shouldn't use ELF.
 
@RadekSlupik If it was even a problem, yes.
 
And really, you shouldn't be writing a bootloader if you want to write an OS.
 
@KeithLayne Ok, I'll report the Cat for mod attention :)
 
Also, multiboot FTW.
 
7:50 PM
@sehe Don't do that! His life will end if he gets bananed from chat!
 
OS X installation y u take over half an hour.
 
I'LL START MY OWN STACK OVERFLOW AND IT'LL BE GREAETEST.
5
 
How much time?
 
Well, you'll have the opportunity to speak on mumble :_)
 
7:50 PM
Anyway, we had to write a small simple kernel on second year as CS students. After about 90 minutes of C/C++ labs. It's not rocket science, as long as you keep the scope small. :)
 
A weekend?
 
Admit it. You will die.
 
Yes. :(
 
@CatPlusPlus CAT OVERFLOW?
 
CAPS OVERFLOW
 
admittedly, much candy was sacrificed to the kernel gods during that project, and many reboots were necessary. :)
 
INTEGER OVERFLOW
 
A "hello world, press any key to reboot" kernel :)
 
@jalf Running your kernel on bare metal? You're very brave.
 
7:52 PM
@sehe hey, ours had a NIC driver, listened on the serial port, and did some rudimentary thread context switching
 
FRED OVERFLOW
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, on machines dedicated to that purpose :)
 
HEAP OVERFLOW
 
My kernel boots, prints some stuff, fails to setup memory management and then hangs.
 
@jalf Damn. You wrote a NIC driver in 90 minutes? Colour me impressed.
 
7:53 PM
This was back in 2004 or so. Virtualiztion wasn't commonplace
 
@RadekSlupik Didn't knew that. What's the name ?
 
@sehe oh nah, you misunderstood
 
When I get my RasPi I'll use to play with kernels again.
 
My kernel doesn't compile.
 
Emulation!
 
7:53 PM
@kbok name of what?
 
We'd been taught C++ for around 90 minutes, and then we were thrown into the kernel project, which we had a month to do
 
@RadekSlupik Of the ruby OS. Or maybe I misunderstood ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you get one?
 
Aha. Makes a tiny bit more sense. Still would require a good team manager or prior knowledge (read: targeted documentation of the NIC at hand)
 
@kbok no I only said it's possible.
 
7:54 PM
also, we targeted Alpha, not x86
 
@bamboon Should arrive in 4 or 5 weeks, if their estimates are any accurate.
 
@sehe Yeah, I honestly can't remember the details, but I think we were given some framework code for the NIC stuff, and just had to fill in a few blanks. The other parts of the kernel were written from scratch though
 
There's an AOT-compiler for Ruby. The runtime only needs:
- libobjc
- garbage collector
- Foundation.framework
:P
 
4 hours ago, by sehe
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't often assume that the number of asterisks is accurate
 
Die, Obj-C, die.
Die in fire.
And never come back.
 
7:55 PM
Objective-C is a great language.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes cool, do already know what you gonna do with it?
 
I really need to look into HOC and hope it will work with OS X 10.8.
 
Noh, I don't have any big plans in my mind yet.
 
Ell
synthesia console :)
 
7:57 PM
build more robots
 
in other news, I just rediscovered dwarf fortress... There goes my spare time
 
@jalf You didn't need it anyway.
 
My debugger plays DWARF fortress.
 
@jalf Lemme know if mine carts are fun. I haven't tried it since Toady implemented them.
 
I'm afraid to look at the UI he created for them.
 
7:59 PM
yeah....
 
sbi
@RadekSlupik Build on a language that abuses curly braces and add abuse of brackets in order to support a paradigm that's already provided for by another member of the language family. Voilá, Objective-C was born.
 
I was mostly intending to play around with all the undead stuff.
 
36 mins ago, by user1515422
i use the goto function a lot
Damn. That just made me realize that Boost Phoenix lacks a lazy goto actor. Let me send a patch...
 
Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (SICP) by Abelson & Sussman for free!
 
@Chimera for the most part, it should be a drop in replacement for unique_ptr, except you'll have to change the return types of any functions that return a unique_ptr, and also that it, swap, make_unique, and move aren't in the std namespace. (You could put them in a namespace if you want, but it's techincally not allowed to put them in std)
 
7:59 PM
Bucky #3: "I just want to tell you guys a little bit more about cout, and make sure you understand how it works." Nothing to that effect was accomplished by the end of that video.
 
sbi
@jalf What's that thing called "spare time"?
 

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