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8:00 PM
@ircmaxell huh?
 
No accepted anything or bounties, yet I earned 202 rep today...
 
@ircmaxell psst! hide the evidence!
 
I triggered a re-calc and the same answer came up... Weird
13 days away form Epic
 
Hmm... special 20K privilege
 
what's a 20k privilege?
 
8:02 PM
@ircmaxell trusted user
What is a trusted users?

Trusted users are allowed to perform trusted actions, including:

Vote to delete posts scored -1 and lower
Vote to delete questions immediately after they are closed (even if they are new)
Edit all tag wikis on the site
 
bad joke :P
 
> What is a trusted users? <-- typo!
 
@ircmaxell I know - i installed that addon too :P
What were you trying to show me?
 
what addon?
 
8:04 PM
jQuery Conference 2011: San Francisco Bay Area Conference Announced http://bit.ly/jqcon11SF
 
wow, I have some work to do. My vote ratio is low! 67%
 
There was an addon userscript thing written in JS that shows this:
 
 
Oh, I don't have that userscript
 
@Nyuszika7H do you remember what those userscripts were that were written that show audit etc?
 
8:08 PM
@MylesGray StackExchangeScripts, SEModifications is the one you're looking for
 
Ah your right
 
$ can-find php5
php5.i386 : The PHP programming language
$ can-has php5
php5 installed
$ kthnx
bai
added more aliases
 
Hi again :)
 
@ircmaxell that is priceless
@Angelina o hai der
 
:-D
 
8:16 PM
I have another JSON related question. Mostly I'm just not sure how to access the values being returned to me in an object. one sec, I'll grab the example dump
 
How is one supposed to complete this
Square root and a delta sign?
 
This is the object: jsfiddle.net/J7vcT
 
No, just enter the second word
 
See here: jsfiddle.net/J7vcT/1 -- I'm still learning; am I dealing with an object of objects or is that an array in an object? If I loop through and want to grab every wire_id, how would I?
 
@Angelina Have you tried nesting it in a for loop?
Arrrghhh for in!
 
8:31 PM
well, I used the one that's in jsfiddle.
when I try to access elements as in that loop, they all come back 'undefined'
but, I dump the object and the data is there
So I figure it's a syntax thing?
 
@Angelina jsfiddle.net/Nyuszika7H/J7vcT/2 updated, more readable
 
oo
 
@Angelina click on TidyUp
 
@MylesGray You mean nesting this loop (in JS Fiddle) in another? Hm, I think I see what you mean.
 
@Nyuszika7H stop dumping mindless snippets of code.
@Angelina everything's an object, a hash. A <Key, value> Dictionary.
 
8:37 PM
Bye everyone, gonna go for now. ;)
 
laterz
 
@Angelina is wire_types the JSON data's wrapper?
@Shaz later man
 
@MylesGray, yes
 
jQuery 1.5.1 Released! http://j.mp/jq151 Includes a number of bug fixes and IE 9 support!
 
I feel so up-to-date, hearing about jQuery 1.5.1 so instantaneously.
 
8:41 PM
@Nathan good times
 
gets back to writing JS for crappy embedded IE6
 
>_>
will write awesome JS next week :D
 
1.5.0 was released how long ago?
 
@ircmaxell 3-4 weeks?
 
@IvoWetzel You got it?
Oh, I thought it was more recent than that...
 
8:43 PM
@ircmaxell All I have to do is to chat with the recruiter tomorrow and then say yes
my "future" boss already mailed me some details
 
Awesome! Congrats!!!!
 
I really must have left a great impression on them
 
@IvoWetzel when are you moving?
 
@ircmaxell Thanks :)
I'm still a bit "uh what?" though
 
lol
I know that feeling
 
8:45 PM
@Raynos Dunno a month, need to pay / buy some stuff before I can spend money on a flat
 
my current job I got the call for the interview at 11am and accepted the job by 4:30 pm... Kinda one of those what the hell just happened?
 
@IvoWetzel congratulations man :)
 
The crazy thing is, everyone around me is like "Wooooooohoooo party time"
 
watch for smallprint!
 
@MylesGray :D
I get a weekend to read the thing
They want me Tuesday on site
(if everything works out fine)
 
8:47 PM
sweet!
 
user1385191
for my job, I got an interview in may and didn't hear back until late august. it was crazy
 
The node.js room is gone!
Rage.
 
Guess I'll cry before I fall asleep, dunno, I mean I'm really happy, but I'm not flashed
 
@MattMcDonald for real?
 
user1385191
yeah, it was just a one man show and my boss needed to gauge the market
 
8:48 PM
hehehe
 
user1385191
we're at 3 people now
 
I sent my CV to Google 4/5weeks ago now for an internship :(
no word
 
I don't stand a chance :(
I spent like 2 weeks on my CV and cover letter :P
 
user1385191
8:50 PM
yeah applying to bigger places usually means your resume and whatnot get shredded by the hr people
 
user1385191
I had an entire summer like that
 
then found out to apply online you copy and paste it so all my nice formatting and pretty layout was wasted
@MattMcDonald I even went as far as researching the keywords their filters for CV's use to get detected and short listed!
passion, drive, ambition etc
 
user1385191
yeah, but that's the problem. everyone wants to work at google.
 
user1385191
you're but one fish in a giant school
 
I know a few people who have intern'd at Google.
I think most people put it on a pedestal, unfortunately.
Admittedly they're better than most companies to work for, though.
 
8:53 PM
Not sure what google is like. Good luck getting in
 
There crap all good companies to work for here
I mean we have,; Dell, Intel, Google and... M$
 
Yeah I'm in Vancouver, BC - we're a tech hub. So much gaming and web development.
If you want a good job, here is the place for it.
 
user1385191
bring money though
 
user1385191
lots of it
 
Hmmm.. bit of a trip from Ireland :D
 
8:54 PM
@MylesGray where are you based?
Oh there.
 
Hahaha exactly
 
Well I got really lucky...
 
@Raynos looking at relocating to swizerland or germany
 
@IvoWetzel no your talented. Stop talking yourself down. Admittedly you were at the right place at the right time. But still :)
 
Do most tech companies speak in english from day-to-day?
 
8:55 PM
Yes.
Well.
 
@MylesGray most companies speak in C.
 
@MylesGray Germany is even worse, well unless you know what you do and get lucky
 
So the whole language thing shouldn't be a problem if I were to goto Austria, Germany, Swizerland etc?
 
Even if English isn't the home company's local native language, I think proficiency in English is kind of required for a tech company if you want to really attract the full market potential to your product or services.
It's the language of The Internet, for the mostpart.
 
@MylesGray Well knowing a bit German would of course help on a day to day basis
 
8:57 PM
@IvoWetzel I know basics but I would by no means be fluent
 
@MylesGray, so I updated my loop but I still don't think I have this right: jsfiddle.net/J7vcT/3
 
@MylesGray its not biggie. Youll pickc up the native language in a month or two
 
I have been raped out of 40rep today... bloody rep cap >.>
all from editing
@Raynos I quite like German as a language anyway
So it should be fine
 
Problem in Germany: No master? Less chances / less salaray. No bachelor.... Not studied at all?....
So yes, I got really lucky once in my life
 
@IvoWetzel meh. Make oppurtinities. Either rely on luck or hard work.
 
user1385191
8:59 PM
yeah but the web/dev side isn't reliant on compsci degrees/theory. it's about skill and talent.
 
@Raynos condoning for in?
 
@MylesGray I always use for in because I dont extend native prototypes
 
@MattMcDonald It helps to have them in web dev though
 
Friend of mine studies business informatics, has a Java job gets paid really, bad.
 
shows you know you're stuff
 
9:00 PM
Ohhhh
 
user1385191
it shows you spent a lot of money to spend 4 or so years in university.
 
@Raynos I get it now..
 
Well many people argue with "Oh he studied, so he can sit through things / stick to them"
 
I have a degree in cognitive science and studied robotics, and here I am building web apps now.
 
@Angelina \o/ Make more robots
 
9:01 PM
You don't need to have CS for most things web dev
 
user1385191
^^^^^^^^^^^
 
@IvoWetzel is it considered rude in Germany to introduce friends as "das ist mein kartoffel"
 
But, concepts like managing computational complexity are handy on certain levels.
 
"That's my potatoe!"
 
9:02 PM
@IvoWetzel but of course :)
potato*
 
@Raynos, I wish I had more time.. I have a drawer of robots and a soldering iron right next to me :(
 
Yes, I guess that could be considered rude
Although many people will simply laugh at you
 
But since you've helped me learn something, that saves some time.. time that could be put towards robots!
 
@Angelina Dang... that reminds me, I'm going to spend all that money on arduinos and stuff and teach myself electronics
 
@Angelina robots that do web dev for you. Those are important
 
9:03 PM
@Raynos A robo kitten!
 
Haha
 
Let's welcome out robotic kitten overlords!
 
@IvoWetzel that has been done on mythbusters
 
@IvoWetzel ... Man your going to have to act like a professional from tuesday :) in a suit. Write some real enterprise JS :D
 
I could build one out of the mindstorms kit.
Legokitteh
 
9:04 PM
@Raynos Don't worry, I'll make sure that @YiJiang isn't responsible for the AI of that thing
@Raynos Oh, no, they don't wear suits there
 
@IvoWetzel wear one :o and a bow tie. And a monocle
And a top hat. And a cane. And a cigar.
 
@Raynos monocle. legendary
 
How many tech companies have people wear suits?
 
@Angelina mine o/
 
I mean at least over on the west coast if you show up in more than khakis and a tshirt you're over dressed
 
9:05 PM
@Angelina Many German ones I guess
 
really?
 
This is europe.
 
Yeah, people have teased me for wearing a collared shirt o_O
"You're overdressed"
 
And we do business architecture for the government. Writing real server orientated ASP.NET websites!
 
"But I'm wearing jeans!"
 
user1385191
9:05 PM
sitting in a suit all day on a computer? that's a great way to compound sweat.
 
Oh, government business means suits in most places, I suppose
 
I just wear a shirt and the trousers. Screw the jacket
Ideally shirt and jeans would be the best mix of casual/formal.
 
@IvoWetzel @Angelina 3:20
 
Wow, I can even watch that one
 
RoboKittttehhh
 
9:08 PM
Whoah congratulations @IvoWetzel !
 
whats a good pattern for
window.foo = window.foo || []
 
HAH
 
ah I've seen that one a couple of years ago on German television
 
@Angelina we're like, neighbors! I lived in Vancouver for a few years and my eldest was born there.
 
@Nathan thanks
 
9:11 PM
@Nathan Where are you now?
And why did you leave?
 
@Angelina Fairbanks, Alaska. My wife and I studed theology at Regent College (on UBC campus) for 4 years.
 
Ah
 
@Nathan Theology and you're in computing?
E-ror DOES NOT COMPUTE
 
We're back in our hometown now and enjoying it. Vancouver was the best big city I've seen so far though.
@MylesGray computing pays better than theology :D
but theology is more practical.
 
More.. practical.
?
 
9:13 PM
Yeah i was just about to say?
 
Everything is theology.
 
Everything is religious?
 
Yep.
 
In what way?
 
I'm an atheist, so I have to disagree. I suspect this hinges on a particular definition of what 'religious' means, though.
 
9:14 PM
Uh... I think xkcd had the best explanation of what I mean; let me find it.
 
Haha I thought it was obligatory to be atheist if not at least agnostic to be in computing :P
 
to the right of the mathemetician is a philosopher, and to his/her right, a theologian.
 
"If there was a god I wouldn't be a DB troll"
lol
 
Can we not go down this road?
 
(Or an atheologian)
 
9:16 PM
hmm probaly for the best @ircmaxell
 
Yeah, this is a whole can of worms I'm not going to get into. I see what you're getting at though. ;)
 
Exactly...
 
Well so anyway, Vancouver is cool.
 
Good diagram @Nathan
 
It is!
 
9:17 PM
Nothing good comes from discussions of either religion or politics...
 
@Nathan theologian don't belong on the right
@ircmaxell I second that. But abstract and pointless philosophy is great :)
 
Sure, nothing wrong with that...
 
@Raynos You're thinking they belong on the left, correct?
 
@Nathan I'm thinking they belong nowhere. But that's not the point. I mean the guy lecturing us about the unicorns! Now he belongs on the right. The abstract study of unicorns is very pure.
 
Unicorn cuisine, on the other hand, belongs FAR to the left.
 
9:22 PM
hmmm unicorny... hard to beat some good 20-year old mature spam though
 
Seriously though. How do I make this smaller : foo[bar] = foo[bar] || {}
I want to avoid writing foo[bar] twice
 
@Raynos Perl has an ||= operator just for that sort of thing.
 
@Nathan in javascript :)
 
Why?
 
suggests writing your javascript in Perl from now on
 
9:25 PM
stick with the more readable code
 
@ircmaxell because it want to byte whore
 
Then find one on a street corner and have at it. But there's no reason to mess up your code just because you have a fetish...
 
You could just be grateful you don't have to spell it thrice as in foo[bar] = foo[bar] ? foo[bar] : {};.
 
@Nathan: foo[bar] = foo[bar] ?: {};
And if JS objects had PHP array semantics, you could do: foo += {bar:{}}
 
Hi! :)
 
Look at this brick and his question:
0
A: divs on top of each other css

Myles GrayTry to avoid negative z-index values, try using z-index:0 on .bluebox and z-index:2 on .redbox Here you go: Live Demo Clever blend of absolute positioning and z-index :)

WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT!
Delete the question if they work it out themselves
 
lol
 
@ircmaxell I don't think it works that way with nothing between ? and :
 
who deleted what @MylesGray?
@Nathan: it's PHP semantics introduced in 5.3...
 
The OP - Look at the question
Oh.. its back, Dan got it back
 
9:34 PM
@MylesGray: nothing's deleted that I can see
 
The whole thing was deleted, I put it back
 
@ircmaxell ahah. Kind of nice but || is just as concise.
 
He just wrote "deleted no longer need" and erased it all
 
@DanGrossman Thanks :)
 
I hate that, and when people reply and just say, "Nvm, fixed it"
FIXED. WHAT. AND HOW.
 
9:35 PM
@Nathan Yeah, but || is a boolean operator, and as such should return a boolean :-D
 
Sometimes I have the same question! Sad.
 
@Angelina +1 >.>
 
Maybe he was shy because the answer was an obvious one?
I'm just guessing, I haven't looked at the question. Still.
 
@ircmaxell I was pretty happy to hear Perl6 will (seriously!) use Unicode punctuation like » to get more operators than they can squeeze out of ASCII :D
 
@Nathan You're happy, I'm sad... I want to use less keysrokes, not more
 
9:39 PM
Are you kidding? Perl will be obviously better with even more punctuation.
you probably won't ever need non-punctuation characters anymore.
 
LOL
more line-noise
 
Could anyone critique my CV please?
 
I've done hiring before. Sure.
 
"Myles your CV should have more experience and education and certifications on it"
 
Awesome :D
@Nathan you want more hoops?
 
9:41 PM
Email it to me?
 
I have the bulk of it on SO, hang on ill DropBox it
 
-1 to more certifications...
 
oh, okay
 
@MylesGray no I'm just joking.
 
9:43 PM
"In order to apply for this job, you must already have 10 years experience working a job exactly like it, but be willing to start at the base salary."
 
user1385191
@Nathan Reading that kind of stuff was the bane of my existence when I was first reading job ads.
 
@Nathan I'll apply for that position. Then turn it down because I want more money
 
@Angelina see above :D
 
yes that's the flipside of that sort of thing.
 
9:48 PM
wants double my present salary or no deal...
 
Where do you want feedback?
 
Basically on just what you think is good/bad from a hirers perspective
 
Also, this is important: where is the location of the job(s) you're applying to? Because any advice I give will be, unfortunately, North-American-centric.
 
It's in Ireland/London
2positions in 2 different places
 
morning all
 
9:50 PM
Yay! finally broke 200 for today (got a +15 accept)
 
What form do you want feedback? I probably shouldn't put it all here in SOJavaScript
 
oh email me at the address on the cv please
 
Okay.
I can't do this right away, but I will todayish. Okay?
 
Sure perfect! :D
Who wanted invites to SO careers v2.0?
 
What is it?
 
does!
 

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