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12:03 AM
Methinks I'm doing weird things: stackoverflow.com/questions/42775516/…
:-)
 
@QPaysTaxes Hmm, yes. Not sure about the english version, but the German is indeed clear. But as it does no harm: why not just try it out?
(I really have to keep that option in mind.)
@πάνταῥεῖ Indeed. I would ask why, but I'm afraid I get a weird answer or be closed as dup ;-)
 
@Olaf I closed that as dup myself, because the answer to my poorly acheived question is just perfect.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I removed the C tag intentionally. It is not related to C.
 
@Olaf We can agree to disagree :-D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Try reading your question like someone without your intention in mind does.
Worse: as you close as dup to a C++ question, there is no relevance for C. At least IIRC, for const qualified declarations (I intentionally avoid the terms "variables"/"objects"), static definitively has different meanings.
 
12:23 AM
I have to go now; I'll see you tomorrow!
 
12:35 AM
@Olaf Borderline persons asking borderline questions :-P
I'm going back to the main page and play whack the mole ;-)
@Olaf I'm eager to see if there's some meta-effect for my original question ;-)
 
@Olaf: Did we ever find out who was tagging comments in this room?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ and borderline commenting. Borderline at the edge ;-)
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, I just puased TWD for that one.
@πάνταῥεῖ Not from me. I have enough with the comments. Null bock about meta.
 
@Olaf Dupe linking is kind of meta already.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That's too metaphysical for me.
 
@Olaf Feel lucky we didn't made that into quantum physics ;-)
 
12:47 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I did not. But as it stopped after I stated a suspicion and mentioned mods will notice eventually, I suspect a noob. The others in the room at that time were all regulars and I don't think none of them was playing false. Kidding - certainly, but that went way too far.
@πάνταῥεῖ Just get me a string
 
@Olaf: thanks for the update
 
@Olaf I'll give you high frequency waves at the eleventh dimension :-)
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I assume you refer to the post above. That's just what I think, nothing water-proof. But you're always welcome.
@πάνταῥεῖ Go play the mole and let me watch TWD ;-)) Giving my fingers a rest.
 
@Olaf Well, zombies (like my ole question) pop up everywhere. Don't be too concentrated on watching TWD.
And moles will be whacked whenever they pop up and I'm not out of votes :-D
 
 
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2:39 AM
Does this look like trolling to anyone else?
 
user3956566
@TigerhawkT3 I don't think so tbh.
 
3:03 AM
Is it taboo to ask a common question you know the answer to, or is it okay as long as it's clear and thorough?
 
@TigerhawkT3 The question contains the answer. No idea how much clearer one can point that out. OP seems to missed some fundamental concepts.
 
Looking at answer, this this looks like dupe. Can anybody confirm
 
@Olaf I'm asking hypothetically, not referring to any particular question.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Unless the question is being self-answered, that's pretty taboo to me.
 
@4castle The only reasoning I can think of for it not being okay is purely subjective, which seems a little wrong.
 
3:16 AM
@TigerhawkT3 Sorry, I thought you refer to this
 
@Olaf Narrp.
 
@TigerhawkT3 So, you want to ask a question and provide the answer? That's fine as long as your question contains all relevant information. Some days ago I had someone self-answering with information not given by the question, which I think is a violation of site-rules.
 
@TigerhawkT3 NARRP?
 
@TigerhawkT3 WDYM?
 
@4castle Source.
 
3:22 AM
This question need -8 more votes to close, so it's unclosable? stackoverflow.com/questions/42742199/edit-tools-use-turnjs
Currently it sits at 13 CVs
 
@TigerhawkT3 Yarpp!
 
@Olaf Either self-answer or not; I just mean the question. There are a lot of topics and questions out there; if I write a new question for one of them, is it bad?
It currently seems like it's "okay" for new users to post common duplicates, so, since posts are supposed to be evaluated on their own merits, it should be okay for anyone to do that.
 
@SamuelLiew Now it need -10 more votes. I'd say there is something broken with the counter. That's why one should not compare for equality, but always >= for such things.
@TigerhawkT3 You should not write dups, unless there is no really good one. If new users would jump from a high tower, that does not mean you should, too.
 
Could be. I got "Something went wrong" message after I CV'd. 16 CV now.
 
@Tushar Same for me, but the vote was counted (is it -11 more votes now?). @SamuelLiew: I'd flag for a mod or report to the developers. No idea what the designated way to report such errors is.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Generally we determine how "okay" a question is by voting on the usefulness of the question. A common duplicate is only useful if it modifies the question in a relevant way, or creates a signpost for a class of questions which seems different but is actually the same.
 
@Olaf But they're rewarded for doing that. If I know the answer, I shouldn't post a question; if I know a question is a duplicate, I shouldn't answer it. How do I get rep now?
@4castle That would be the ideal voting scenario, but not very realistic.
 
Bug seems like it was caused by the question migration
 
Why are moderators so good with rope? Because everything they do is binding.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Well, some people are quite strict about dups. Problem is finding them, but for C, after some time here, you know many of them already.
 
3:33 AM
Between closing duplicates and downvoting low-quality posts, I struggle to remain rep-neutral on the average day.
 
@SamuelLiew Maybe some race-condition, e.g. when it got closed on the original site during migration? (Yes, I have no idea how this exactly works).
@TigerhawkT3 You really care about rep still? I'm fine with my 10k+. No one needs more than 20k rep (or 640k RAM).
 
@TigerhawkT3 Well, just my personal strategy, but I usually divide my workflow on SO into 2 parts: first I look for a question that's worth answering, and answer it (using CVs along the way), then I open SOCVR and work on review queues, meta, and general moderating stuff.
 
@Olaf But I need the number to be higher! It tracks fun.
@4castle It's the "find questions worth answering" part that I have difficulty with.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Guess why I float around the 10k3 for months now. Well, I could go after Python, but I somehow suspect it will become the same after some months.
 
They're all the same.
 
3:45 AM
@TigerhawkT3 It's definitely a challenge. Some days I give up after a little while and just move on to part 2.
 
I think SO is ready to move away from the "anyone can ask" model.
 
Some days I wish there was like a short quiz at the end of the site tour.
 
@TigerhawkT3 hopefully!!
 
@Olaf but happening twice within a day? unlikely
 
@4castle And make taking the tour obligatory.
 
3:49 AM
The problem may not even be that - it's SO's image that needs adjustment.
 
@SamuelLiew Hit shappens ;-)
 
If we didn't have a reputation for being a free coding tutorial homework plagiarism software recommendation site, people would be less likely to ask those questions.
 
@4castle I'd prefer one for every question of a <10 rep user.
@TigerhawkT3 I appreciate those rep-hunters who strip for +25 reps, too.
Of too bed I go. Good night everyone!
 
Night night!
 
4:39 AM
@4castle Looks to me like that question is simply mentioning that the OP has tried many tutorials. They're asking for someone to post the process, not a link to the process. Of course, that's not on-topic either, as it's too broad and using SO as a tutorial service.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Yeah, I'm trying to find a meta post I can link to for using the site as a tutorial service.
 
@4castle What for? Just choose off-topic -> other, and write "SO is not a tutorial service." in the box. TB would be suitable as well.
 
@Olaf Once I find a duplicat-target, I just keep a bookmark folder of dup-targets, with sub-folders for different topics/tags.
 
4:54 AM
@Tushar It's up to 20 close votes now, with no upper limit in sight. There will probably be other migrated questions which will end up in the same situation.
 
user3956566
5:16 AM
@Makyen 24
 
@YvetteColomb :-)
@YvetteColomb Here is the Meta post reporting the bug. (25 now :-)
 
user3956566
:)
 
Now locked by a Mod
 
again?
 
5:51 AM
@Tushar @YvetteColomb And... The (current) record is 26 close votes.
We'll have to see if another question gets as much attention. :-)
 
6:41 AM
Dear Youtube: please stop recommended me videos I have already told you I "dislike"
 
@Yam Still very unclear
 
SO could benefit from correcting its image.
 
6:58 AM
I think the reality isn't quite as bad as we see it. We do a lot of work to clean up stuff, but we don't see all the people who do their research and end up not asking a question.
 
Maybe most of the people who browse SO don't post questions, but most of the people who post questions create low quality content.
 
@TigerhawkT3 don't forget confirmation bias
or some other one... Point is, low quality content is what this room focuses on, so it tends to be overrepresented.
 
7:21 AM
@4castle that second tag could use some nuking
 
@JanDvorak Agreed. Wanna tag team it?
 
7:35 AM
@JanDvorak The tag is so bad it basically burninated itself. I re-tagged 3 which weren't relevant to the tag, and the remaining 4 of need to be closed.
 
@4castle pass as cvs-pls lets close'em
 
^ bonus one that wasn't from the tag
 
7:55 AM
Yeah some bonus is nice..
@4castle That will not be roomad... delete or remove tag?
 
I'd prefer to delete it, but it still needs 2 close votes, and probably some more down votes.
 
No really need for dv, we just need to vote to delete (I need to wait a few days <20K)
 
What do you do when SO is Yahoo! Answers? >.>
 
You go take a drink.
Hiya o/
 
@Tunaki o/
 
8:10 AM
@Tunaki I was going to buy some kind of alcohol today but didn't get to it.
I find it odd that I'm the only person who downvoted anything on that page. A question about parsing HTML with regex, multiple answers with fragile regexes, and everyone else patting each other on the back.
Actually, strike that; one other person downvoted the question. But it also got an upvote somehow.
 
Installing update...
 
Maybe if it gets closed, DVed, and deleted, it won't get a chance to lead people astray.
 
Update failed!
 
I think I might be done with SO.
 
Installing update...
 
8:16 AM
I recommend rum.
 
@FireAlarm sorry for the messages. I'm going to manually stop the bot. There seems to be a bug in my backup copy
 
Update failed!
 
The windows are broken and I'm the only one who dislikes the draft.
 
@fire kill
 
@AshishAhuja You need the Owner privilege to run that command.
 
8:19 AM
I'm sure there's a long German word for what I'm feeling right now.
 
Morning o/
 
Seth Sis sere!
 
Soh ses!
Si sring saffles :)
 
sery sood si sove sassles!
 
Sho soesn't?
 
8:24 AM
@Seth o/
 
@AshishAhuja \o/
 
eh, it's back finally
 
@TigerhawkT3 Sounds like burnout. Take however long a break you need :)
 
onebox of a burned-out car on fire
 
@TigerhawkT3 Noooo, teh onebox
 
8:35 AM
@Seth And no amount of editing will reduce its footprint!
 
@TigerhawkT3 The horror :(
 
A question, for which I submitted a [cv-pls] (for most of the reasons available, including No MCVE), added enough code so that we know what is going on. It turns out to be a typo (OP used =to assign to the innnerHTML property instead of += to add to what is already there). Should I submit a new [cv-pls] and ask to have the old one deleted?
 
Nah that's fine.
 
9:35 AM
I went unclear ^
 
I went too broad :/ oops.
 
@FireAlarm does anyone have a idea why that was bumped three times again on the real-time page (FireAlarm printed in the console)? It only seems to have gotten an answer and an edit to the q, which should be two bumps not three?
 
The answer got edited too I think, @AshishAhuja
 
@Henders uh, no. The revision history does not show it and if it was a grace period edit it doesn't get bumped into the page IIRC
 
@AshishAhuja fair enough. I didn't realise pre-grace period didn't get bumped..
 
9:43 AM
@AshishAhuja Does FA take the initial posting of the question as bump?
 
nah. I saw it in the console. It printed thrice "not reporting <id> because it was already reported". If it would consider the original post as a bump, it would print that with every report
I normally don't run FireAlarm in all the rooms, so maybe the first time I'm noticing this but it seems to be weird
 
@NathanOliver even our news agency is remarking that there's lots of snow at lake Ontario, and 50cm of snow can be deposited on the East Coast by snow storm Stella.
 
user7166107
10:44 AM
any one help
 
user7166107
me please what's going here
 
I think we better NOT speak about that, I mean not here, go to meta please if you have a question regarding your reputation.
 
user7166107
same time lot of down voted in my questions
 
@cristanlika2 Read this
Oh, that one's about upvotes. Same principle applies: no worries, should fix itself.
 
10:47 AM
Plop @cristanlika2. Unfortunately SOCVR does not have the tools nor the authority to deal with reputation matters, you will have to check Cerbrus' link above.
 
o/
good day to all.
 
o/
same to you
 
Let's not get too nervous when someone asks something about rep, guys...
 
@Cerbrus Have you ever seen a squirrel - or a descendant of a squirrel - not being nervous?
 
Yes. But he wasn't doing much else, either :-/
 
user7166107
10:50 AM
ok nobody take care of me .
 
@cristanlika2 Dude, I linked you to a meta Q/A that explains it all.
 
@Cerbrus upvotes aren't the problem here (7 on one post). The downvotes are probably serial, they'll be reversed afaik
 
@Adriaan "that one" is the meta post. Same principle applies for downvotes.
 
user7166107
@Adriaan correct The downvotes are serial
 
@cristanlika2 Then they will be automatically reversed.
Just wait... :)
@Cerbrus Dead doesn't count. =|
 
10:53 AM
Closing the rep matter there, everything that needed to be said was said. Get reviewing! =p
 
Currently busy stalking meta :D
 
11:15 AM
@Nkosi We don't tend to moderate old content that much (not very useful) unless it's seen recent activity or is otherwise significant. This one is... meh
 
@Kyll got it. came across it while doing reviews. Will note for next time.
my bad
can someone remove that last CV request?
 
Heh, it's fine, don't worry
 
It just seems off
 
Essay writing service spam. Nuke it.
I reported it in Charcoal HQ:
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 36 secs ago, by Kyll
!!/report http://stackoverflow.com/a/42784153/4174897
 
nuked
 
11:40 AM
Morning
Happy Pi Day \o/
 
Pi back at you bro o/
 
Pi day?
That's a thing?
 
3/14 = 3.14
 
Also o/
 
Yes. It is a thing. I'm not crazy. Well not any more crazy..
 
11:42 AM
Oh :D
I see. Fun fact: 3.14 mirrored results in Pie :)
Though I assume that is well-known by now.
 
HapPi day \o
hiya NO
 
Who TF approves such edits...
 
11:48 AM
@JanDvorak ?
 
12:06 PM
wrong window...
 
@Cerbrus was wondering if that was a cat on your keyboard :)
 
rofl
 
Jon, can you nuke that more thoroughly?
 
thought i was the only one baffled by it
 
Ready to chase it away, @JonClements?
 
12:07 PM
@Henders chase what away? (tries to hide fur around his mouth...) :p
 
:p
 
Hiya Jon.
 
What did he type? Lauch codes for the nukes?
Coordinates of treasures?
 
yes no
 
Names of spies?
.. I see ... ò.ó
 
12:09 PM
Are the answers here really answers? The OP has not provided a mcve.
 
fyi, going to do a small test so FireAlarm is going to go offline for a few minutes.
 
OK
@SmokeDetector sd k
NSFW^^^^^
 
Also, Nobody's instance crashed so I'm running it right now on my main comp. In few hours if Nobody cannot get his instance to start, I'm going to have to stop my instance
 
:36105068 Anyone know a good breakfast food?
 
@NathanOliver What was it? Bad pictures, bad text or bad links?
 
12:13 PM
yeah, a cheese sandwich is normally a nice short breakfast
 
@Seth What the links went to.
 
@NathanOliver I see =)
@NathanOliver Doesn't really matter what it is, but I've been told BACON goes well with it...
 
lol :)
 
eggs, don't forget the eggs
 
Cold, grilled Chicken breast on a baguette together with parmesan, rucola and pickled tomatoes is very tasty as well.
 
12:15 PM
bacon, eegs and wafflez. That sounds like a good way to start the day.
 
And yes, eggs eggs eggs
 
@Seth Not a baguette!!! But grilled sliced toast, yes
 
@NathanOliver you can't beat a nice chicken sandwich with some cheese and vegetables
 
@Sam Long time no see! :)
 
also, fire's back up
 
12:16 PM
@Tunaki Baguette!!!1 and omelette du fromauge
^ Did I butcher that sufficiently?
 
Sam
@Seth Hey, yeah, it's been a while :)
 
2 grammatical mistakes in 3 words, that should be ok
 
@Tunaki "This is fine..."
Oh, @NathanOliver, what you can also do is what we call "Poor Knight" in german. You whisk 1-2 eggs, and then soak toast with the whisked egg/s. Then you just throw it into the oiled pan & let it sit there for 2-3min on each side. :)
 
@Seth We call that french toast
It is awesome
 
12:22 PM
Of course.
It has French in the name :p.
 
:)
All good things: french fries, french toast, french bread
 
continue...
 
French beans
 
Never heard of those
 
Just another name for green beans
 
12:25 PM
Ah. French cut green beans :)
 
@NathanOliver I think he means these
 
But wait, that still isn't all! Or is it?...
 
french onion soup
 
french spearrel soup.
 
12:30 PM
french silk pie, for pi day
 
@Henders ô_ô
 
Uh-oh. hides
 
12:45 PM
Is it bad that I don't remember the last time I upvoted a question on SO?
 
A little
 
Do you remember what you ate yesterday?
 
Not really bad, more like sad
 
sigh. out of del votes again.
 
Given the current state of SO I'd say that's normal.
 
12:46 PM
sheesh
 
@Nkosi you've still got another 8 delete votes to earn :)
 
But, if at all, be sad. Don't do what has been done here, apparently.
 
@JonClements you lost me there. what do you mean?
 
You get an extra delete vote for every 1k rep up until 35k
 
@Nkosi :D
 
12:49 PM
or is it until 30k... can never remember
 
@Seth ?
 
Max delete votes is 30 and you start with 10 and 10K so yes, 30K is delete vote max
 
> At 10,000 reputation, you can cast 5 delete votes per day. An additional vote is granted per 1000 reputation, to a maximum of 30 delete votes per day.
@Nkosi That was not meant to be taken serious :)
 
Oh look. I'm wrong. It is 35K
 
It's a meme.
 
12:51 PM
@Seth I was just confused. that's all.
 
@Nkosi Ah :D It's just "get good" misspelled horribly. And a meme. The internet has made me weird & confusing ._.
 
@Seth That mod message..
 
@NathanOliver Yes.
That's why I said, it's okay to be sad, but don't "let the hate flow through you".
I wouldn't even write that to a spammer tbh.
I have standards =|
 
Yeah. That mod should have disengaged as soon as he started to write **** ***
 
Indeed.
 
12:54 PM
afk
 
1:05 PM
@NathanOliver The question was deleted.
 
The MSE one?
 
Yes.
I am curious as to what's to come out of it.
 
IDK. Looks like it should go through the contact us process.
 
They had
 
I missed all of the fun. Can I get a tl;dr?
 
1:06 PM
tl;dr: you missed fun
 
A moderator went too far. That's about it. (Non-SO)
 
@JanDvorak TL;DR;
 
1:17 PM
@JanDvorak Just a good reminder why nobody goes to DBA.SE anymore
 
Don't they? Now I'm even more curious...
 
@Machavity That about sums it up. Quite happy to have nice people here, like the dog, or the crazy-powerhungry-uchiha :)
@JanDvorak Hop into the ministry, explaining it here is probably frowned upon.
 
he gets it right \0/
 
@NathanOliver :o
 
1:30 PM
morning!
 
Hiya
 
Hello all, should we burniate ? It seems pretty pointless to me stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/vote
 
@EdChum that's a question for meta
 
@EdChum the irony of people voting whether to burn vote :)
 
@gunr2171 I know but I wanted to seek some comments here before posting
 
1:34 PM
Then in my opinion I would say yes, burn it. Meta tag that doesn't really add any value to a post.
 
@EdChum That's a cheap title :( Get some meta-meta-pun in there! :D
 
0
Q: Should we burninate vote (or not vote ;) )

EdChumThere seems to be a redundant and meaningless tag vote I don't see why we need this, should we burninate/Mjölnir/spoil our votes... or vote none of the above

 
@seth I know, I've added a link to Brewster's millions for those who don't want to do anything (none of the above) youtube.com/watch?v=MOwesWn3vU4
 
Always fun to look at these tags and facepalm at the bad questions
 
1:54 PM
@SmokeDetector vlq
 
SD doesn't understand "VLQ"
 
@JanDvorak Neither do we rimshot
 
@Machavity let the voting puns roll in... (★ω★)/
 
@EdChum Why don't you want to feed @Compass? :(
 
@Machavity what is feed compass?
 
2:03 PM
@EdChum He's the SOCVR cat
 
@Machavity ah OK
 
No mice. Mice are reserved for the SOCVR owl, moi.
 
Cats, spearrals and all the other things... it's like a farm :)
 
@JonClements Doggies and flowers and closures (oh my)
 
I guess we aren't in Kansas any more toto...
 
2:07 PM
THIS IS SPARTA SOCVR
 
@NathanOliver Oh... so... I'm in the wrong room to talk to Sparticus ?
 
Yeah. Would you like to talk to Smokey instead?
 
@NathanOliver Does she offer sage advice for gladiatorial combat techniques?
 
No. But she does offer up potential sacrifices to the flame throwers.
 
print SOCVR with stars-plz
 
2:15 PM
unclear
 
No MCVE
 
@JonClements So mods resolve problems through single armed combat now?
 
Might pass on PPCG. Not with flying colors, mind you, but it might stay open for a while.
 
@Machavity Don't have arms... I have four legs though - does that count?
 
11 hours ago, by gunr2171
Why are moderators so good with rope? Because everything they do is binding.
 
2:21 PM
@JonClements And yet you ride bravely into combat
2
 
oh god... I thought I'd gotten rid of all the photos from my punk days :(
 
2:49 PM
Quick question: Is it "okay" (NOT frowned upon) to quote stuff from the author's profile when answering a question on meta?
 
idk. What are you quoting and why?
It is public information so it's not like you are sharing something sensitive.
 
Someone is being condescending, rude, arrogant and the like.
 
Doesn't sound like a good idea.
 
I sort of want to use his profile (which matches that), his comments & his question to explain to future readers why I came to the conclusion that the used adjectives fit him, as that's a vital part of the answer.
But I am kinda torn as that could be seen as personal.
Meh.
 
Kinda sounds like attacking a users
 
2:53 PM
Yep.
So I shouldn't do it, amirite?
 
Which is not nice
 
urrite
 
I shall flag him then, and post a neutral answer.
Thanks :)
 
np. :)
 
3:17 PM
Is it acceptable to have two answers to the same meta question?
I'd like to keep my first one for reference purposes.
 
Sure. If they are separate answers then they should be separate answers.
 
Oke =)
 
@FireAlarm OT SU
 
@NathanOliver Unrecognized command ot su; did you mean say ...?
 
@NathanOliver off topic super user?
 
3:26 PM
@FireAlarm No. You wern't supposed to listen to me ;)
@Seth yes
 
Unrecognized command <whatever you just said>; did you mean <shut up>?
 
@NathanOliver Ahh
@gunr2171 Ruuuuuudeeeee =(
 
I mean, that's what the fire alarm just said
oh wait, "say" is part of it
meh
 
=D
 
3:46 PM
^ literally just a code dump and a title
 
Update failed!
 
4:02 PM
Installing update...
Installing update...
 
4:49 PM
that last one is fine
 
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