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12:15 AM
ok, heading out, cya all tomorrow
 
night carl
 
12:40 AM
@DaveS This might be the best "Carl's old" joke this room has ever seen.
Like, that's almost worth pinning.
 
12:55 AM
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Q: Can a machine be taught to flag Non-Answers and post comments on them automatically?

Bhargav RaoTL;DR: Yes it can. Background: The New Answers To Old questions page in the moderator tools is one of the best tools that can be used to assist moderation and has often been described as a place to find flaggable answers. There are nearly 9000 new answers to old questions per week. A few u...

Bots, bots everywhere, not a human to think
 
Who needs humans anymore?
 
lol
 
ABSORB MY BEAUTIFUL DOGGO
 
That's not a Doggo, it's just a big ol pupper
 
1:36 AM
 
 
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5:24 AM
Morning
 
6:04 AM
o/
 
6:21 AM
@RaghavSood yeah its BR bot it was in development for months
@CarlAnderson wow awesome pic carl
 
6:38 AM
o/
 
6:59 AM
Why is Carl's frequent flying adventure pinned?
 
o/
because adam
6 hours ago, by McAdam331
Like, that's almost worth pinning.
 
Gooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!! :D
 
We should ban you for being too cheerful all the time
 
lol
morning womp and eric
well we need someone to be cheerful all the time
 
D:
 
7:14 AM
good morning!
 
i'll contain myself :'(
morning
 
Lol, we won't ban you for being too cheerful
I promise
Apologies for being grouchy, I haven't had coffee in >7 hours
 
D:
 
lol raghav was just being sarcastic
 
Indeed :D
 
7:21 AM
bug report
i've been stuck with this sicne yesterday 16:00
 
7:39 AM
@Merka Welcome! Please read, confirm reading, and follow the room rules before you do anything else: room-15.github.io
 
7:50 AM
o/
 
user457812
BAN THEM. BAN THE CHEER PERSON.
 
hi nil!
what are you depressed over today? hmm?
 
user457812
Nothing. I got the 69th patch in on go-lua.
 
user457812
You can't top that.
 
user457812
Nobody can.
 
user457812
7:55 AM
SO WHAT DID YOU DO THAT WASN'T AS GOOD TODAY?
 
My brain is getting slower
and slower each passing day
how do I stop that?
 
8:11 AM
Electrocution
 
overclocking
 
electrolite popsicles and swedish techno country-pop
 
lol
 
@netpork LOL
 
@Bhargav obliterate
 
8:40 AM
\o
 
obliterate what?
 
\o
 
o~
 
tim yesterday i pinged someone named tim instead of the real dev name (mike) because it was a realm related question and my subconscient betrayed me
 
8:46 AM
I feel honored
 
ugh OSX is truly horrible
tbhe shouldChangeCharacetersInRange method works horribly
removing a character replaces it with a ""
instead of... redimensioning the character array
 
Dunno, OS X works fine for me
 
the framework behind it
 
i mean code-wise
not me
 
8:56 AM
!/o/ Dharmendra
 
o/ Dharmendra
 
Good Day!
0/
 
\o
 
@Blackbelt haven't used it. But i read a blog recently medium.com/@iammert/…
 
9:07 AM
Bug or blog?
Reading bogs sounds mildly superstitious
 
sorry typo blog
 
Raghu, thanks. I read it already
 
@CarlAnderson Well, just install a zipline
Or sneak onto one of the Starbucks transport trucks
I'm pretty sure you could get to most cities in USA by hitchhiking on Starbucks deliveries
Hell, you could probably get to most blocks, let alone cities
 
9:41 AM
o/
 
\o
 
any of you using the new header navigation?
 
o/
@TimCastelijns what's that?
 
21
Q: Help test the new Top Nav: phase 3 testing runs this week

DesWe’ve completed two rounds of A/B tests and we’re ready for phase 3, a final round of testing before we release the new site wide navigation to all users on Stack Overflow (english) and MSO. If you’d like to participate, just go to your user settings under Preferences and opt in to the New Site ...

 
I am still waiting to get it active
 
9:49 AM
`
^
 
same
some guy has to manually activate it one by one or something
 
> it may take up to 5 minutes to see changes.
 
> The "may take 5 minutes" seems to be inaccurate, or not everyone who opts in actually sees the update. I checked this box a few hours ago when it was mentioned in the Tavern and haven't seen the new top nav yet. – Andy
 
FYI: it looks like auto-activation is disabled for this, meaning someone has to manually approve folks after they check the box. I don't know if this is an oversight or if there's some intent at rate-limiting here, so I'll wait for a dev to check the queue in the morning (probably the UK morning, so relatively soon). In the meantime, nothing's broken - there are currently 72 of you waiting for your access to be activated. — Shog9 ♦ 5 hours ago
 
Awesome I've opted in as well
 
10:01 AM
BEEN WATCHING THIS THE WHOLE MORNING
STILL MAKES NO SENSE
kill me
 
Auto Layout :)
 
bruh even I know how to use auto layout
 
it sucks
it takes half the time to just code it
 
coding the UI? cringe
 
o/
 
10:05 AM
\o
 
@TimCastelijns look for Swift Cartography
 
I find the new header confusing it would be nicer on a slightly darker color
 
ooh got it
i like it
 
it's nice, but for it kinda looks like it's part of the content given it's bg color
 
p\o/
 
10:12 AM
fucking facebook messenger and it's fucking shitty camera
 
bb i tried using that and it always crashed for me
 
if someone here has worked on that, i'll send a RaghavNSA drone to kill him
 
i reverted to notify methods
 
really ?
 
yes
 
10:14 AM
how were you using it? do you have some code on github ?
 
@techDigi You need a q:a ratio of 3:4 to talk here. Please see this link for more details.
 
i referred a blog
it showed how to use
 
ah, the blog!
 
but oh well never worked for me
 
I have the new header.. ooooooohhhhh pretty
 
10:18 AM
new header not looks more impressive to me as I am fan of dark theme.
 
@CptEric that makes no sense to me :P
 
it's making autolayout work programatically
in less hours and blood than thro xcode UI editor
 
I see the code, but I don't understand it
@MarkOSullivan94 don't you find it a bit cluttered?
 
morning
 
@MarkOSullivan94 yeah nice
 
10:38 AM
@TimCastelijns why do you think it's cluttered?
 
a lot of content in a small space
buttons everywhere, links everywhere, many different colors, a lot of white
 
its fine+
 
it's subjective :P I suppose it will grow on me over time..
 
the "a lot of white" is what disturbs me as well
 
I think the achievements button could have been bundled in with the inbox
Anyone here use XDA Developers?
 
10:55 AM
not me
 
It just looks super cluttered
 
@Burhan You need a q:a ratio of 3:4 to talk here. Please see this link for more details.
 
@Raghav I think using the google style error message on the bot's link looks weird. There is no 403 or error
 
Does anyone knows a ready to go way to generate logs within each and every method? (without manually putting logs there)
 
I use xda
 
11:00 AM
I used it years ago to post about my old app
but it seems like my old account has been deleted
 
found a way, AspectJ (aspect oriented programming: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect-oriented_programming)
 
Why would you want to do that @MehdiB.?
 
@MarkOSullivan94 because I have a long flow (including speech recognition / voice / user click) between 4 modules,
and it's almost impossible to unit debug them and it's getting harder to debug it when something "doesn't know as expected" as you have to go through all the methods called.
so instead of polluting the code with logs I'd like to have the execution path logged automatically (to know which test failed or succeeded etc...)
---
There is also a Jake Wharton's lib: Hugo, but you have to manually annotate your methods.. so not that interesting..
 
11:29 AM
!/meowgif
 
WOW
 
that is.... disturbing
 
someone get rid of it
 
@TimCastelijns But but but... they're forbidden!
 
^^
raghav please trash that gif
 
11:36 AM
!/meow
 
!/hello gif
 
@RonakMehta That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: help, tell
 
raghav can we restrict bot commands back to owners only?
we're getting the same effect like last time
too much bot spam
 
11:49 AM
We could, althought probably don't need to. Bot's back properly after a while, novelty will wear off soon. Cat commands are already rate limited
 
Ahmad, wanna have a tampermonkey script for that?
serves me well :)
 
!/tell cygery o//
 
@cygery o/
 
But does it stop pings :D
 
"spammed"? like.. we're getting one fcat pic every 3-4 hours
how's that spam?
 
11:53 AM
Hmm
I got a link with no link in it
 
you're linkless.
 
12:13 PM
user image
2
 
lol
 
dat coordination.
me everyday:
49
Q: How do I know I'm not secretly messing it all up

MagischI'm currently in the second year of my apprenticeship as software developer. This is in germany for background. My day-to-day work consists of getting tasks, doing them and then handing them off to the customer (other departments at my workplace, no external customers). Basicly, for all intents ...

> Your body gears up for hunting the mammoth, for escaping from the saber-toothed tiger, or for giving a scientific talk, by releasing adrenaline.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one
I often feel it's only a matter of time before someone goes through my code and is like "what the fuck happened here?!"
 
hah I know magisch
 
magisch?
 
12:20 PM
I was wondering that too Eric :D
 
me too
not that guy again
 
it sounds like someone spilled their coffe while trying to say magic.
oh wait it's the dude's name
now i feel bad
 
Who has used coordinator layout in android?
Is it not giving pain?
 
" I tend to not give feedback if something works well." You sound like a unix command line tool ;-) — AllTheKingsHorses 17 hours ago
haha
 
@Tim you are being flagged
 
12:26 PM
^^
 
not sure what to say about that
 
flag was counter voted, you are off the hook
You know SJW: if the truth is not what they think is right, the truth must be wrong
 
sjw?
 
social justice warrior
 
social justice warrior
 
12:27 PM
just googled it ^^
 
if you don't know them, don't go to youtube
literally: you will lose your faith in humanity
 
somebody must have a really bad day if they find my CPU scheduler joke offensive
 
i just know 99% of people against trump are called that lol
and snowflakes. lots of snowflake jokes.
 
I recommend to watch "undoomed" videos on Youtube
he does the best snowflake videos
sad thing: most of them are crazy Hilary voters but that does not mean being against trump is bad
it is like everything else: clouded with bad people
except trumps troop: they ARE bad people
 
:P
lol weird video.
i think that those that know our shit ® should get a special badge
 
12:32 PM
@TimCastelijns lol
 
i just lol'ed so hard at a friend i have from southern germany yesterday. he was arguing with an american and was told to STFU with things that he didn't knew about, to whom he replied "Are you sure you want to tell a german he doesn't know a shit about unreasonable border walls?"
it's like telling a educated and reasonable spanish that he has no idea what fascism is
 
that's an awkward amount of edits eric
 
i know
my keboard messed up
 
don't blame the hardware for your failure!
 
sobs
it's Soros fault!
 
12:37 PM
haha!
 
everything is soro's fault nowadays right?
 
Who the hell is soro?
 
some rich millionare that the alt-right movement accuses of patronizing every demonstration that does not fit their interests.
demonstration against climate change -> soros paid for it.
demonstration against clubbing seals -> that's soros material!
demonstration against unreasonably tall american flags -> that's soros for sure!
 
you know it went too far when there are articles about him with the form "top 10 stuffs soro did" :D
http://humanevents.com/2011/04/02/top-10-reasons-george-soros-is-dangerous/
 
> Environmental extremism
Give that man my vote.
^^
but yeah for the conservative and alt-right environement, he's the undead son of korean jesus and stalin, apparently.
 
12:47 PM
lol
 
lucky me drinks only Pepsi! I am safe!
 
^^
monstER!! pepsi??!
 
Eric is on a spree... again
 
30 mins ago, by Dharmendra
Who has used coordinator layout in android?
Above is the typo, I was talking about the ConstraintLayout
 
12:53 PM
haven't used it
 
I got codelab tutorial, let me quickly get into that
 
anyone knows if I have to call check isUnsubscribed() before unsubscribing from an observable in rxjava?
 
if not subscription.isUnsubscribed then proceed to unsubscribe
 
Lunch time~~ :D
 
my question is: what if I call unsubscribe anyway? Can it crash?
 
1:01 PM
It should not crash.
 
It should not
never experiment :D
 
O/
 
it's possible that unsubscribe() internally checks that already
 
@War is not necessary to check. I always initialize the subscription to unsubscribe
 
1:08 PM
thanks
 
and unsubscribe in any case without checking before
sure
 
I tried to find the source code but the shown number of "hits" exceeded my "I will do that today" workload
 
lol
 
can you not jump to implementation in the IDE?
 
I can, but that method belongs to an interface that is implemented EVERYWHERE
 
1:12 PM
o/
 
Does this bother anyone: engineering.instagram.com/…
Makes me slightly nervous
 
what exactly?
 
Feel like if more and more companies start using React Native I'm going to have to start learning it
 
@WarrenFaith someone was genuinely offended because my message was not gender neutral.. as if I posted that message with the intention to hurt someone's feelings..
 
I checked the video and THAT makes me flipping
the first thing I noticed there: different animation duration
WHY is sliding in faster than sliding out?
etc pp
@Er.KaushikKajavadara welcome to the room. Please read the room rules carefully: room-15.github.io
 
1:24 PM
Morning
 
hey hey
 
What's new Warren?
 
nothing really. I am alone at work. I mean my only other team member called in sick yesterday
beside that I am losing my mind while looking for capable android devs
 
Yikes
 
<3
 
1:25 PM
Hire me remotely
I'm 100% serious
 
remotely is sadly no option yet
 
haven't you find anything yet ?
 
I'm very expensive and bossy. But damn I'm good
 
also I doubt we can pay your money :D
 
Hello guys, Please add me in this group want to actively engage with you for android latest trends and discussions.
 
1:26 PM
I knew he wouldn't - just from the name :P
 
Ohh sorry, I think... I have been added already :-)
 
can you not read?
 
another beautiful mind
 
yes I can read.
 
Soon he is going to be out from this room :P
 
1:28 PM
I have some very basic questions (I shared the questions here) and the latest candidate was a nice human being but sadly not good on the professional level
 
@PauloRodrigues You need a q:a ratio of 3:4 to talk here. Please see this link for more details.
 
lol
 
Warren, have you every asked if an abstract class can be instantiated
 
Amazing :)
 
1:29 PM
@Er.KaushikKajavadara you better read the rules NOW
no. Also I don't ask questions that can be answered with yes/no
 
For what @wa
 
For: Because I asked you to do so
 
for what @WarrenFaith may I know?
 
6 mins ago, by WarrenFaith
@Er.KaushikKajavadara welcome to the room. Please read the room rules carefully: http://room-15.github.io/
 
your question is not good. It will be closed soon
 
1:30 PM
Ohk sorry, I would read and come tommorrow.
 
I asked this already, but, any of your guys using MVP?
And do you use any good tools? Like, interface generators or ways around using interfaces?
 
@Graeme I am the mvp, other than that, no I do not use it :P
I want to.. but no time
 
We are using it (refactoring towards it at least)
 
The boss wants to use Android Data Binding
Are you writing out your interfaces by hand or?
 
1:33 PM
databinding ?
MVVM then
not MVP
 
Yeah, he wants to switch from MVP to MVVM
 
and what's the issue ?
 
@SanjayKumar You need at least 80 rep, and a q:a ratio of 3:4 to talk here. Please see this link for more details.
 
Well in MVP you have to create interfaces for your presenter / view
 
1:34 PM
I read this article about approaching MVVM it might help you as well
 
But in Android specifically, I don't know how Databinding would work with things like animations?
As mapping an EditText to a String is all very good, but what happens when you want an animation to swoop around your inputs adding them based on a timer?
 
good question indeed
Android has @BindingAdapter
which translates in a static method that takes as argument the View and at least the binding argument
do you see where I am going with this ?
 
@PauloRodrigues Woah now, hold up right there. Spamming the request access button will only get you banned. Come back in 24 hours and request again IF you have fixed the issues outlined in the last message. Requesting access again in less than 24 hours will result in a ban.
 
Nope - checking
So you are basically adding an interaction method to a view (or set of views)
Would you set that in your Presenter?
 
you are making confusion
there is no Presenter in MVVP
 
1:42 PM
Sorry
In your ViewModel
I guess you would put it in your View
 
well, it is a static method
 
o.o
 
are we still talking about the @BindingAdapter ?
 
Yes
 
the binding adapter is the way android lets you declare custom bindings
 
1:43 PM
A BindingAdapter describes how data maps to Views (and that Views behaviour) right?
 
not supported "natively"
where did read that ?
 
That's my understanding from what you just said (and what the docs on BindingAdapter says)
In effect it's a binder between View and ViewModel
MVBAVM
 
more or less
 
Then... you'd have to test your BindingAdapter seperately to your View tests and your ViewModel tests?
 
if you want to override the default behaviour or adding a custom one, than using Android Data Binding (ADB) you can achieve it
I don't junit test static methods
 
1:47 PM
You don't have to use static methods do you?
 
are we discussing unit test?
 
BB, let's think a usecase where we need to show inline error in EditText if validation fails so how we can accomplish these types of view interactions?
 
Discussing architecture patterns (and Data binding)
 
using ADB ?
 
(Why would they create a duplicate tla o.o)
 
1:48 PM
ohh nice
 
Databinding to me seems pretty useless - same with MVVP. As it doesn't give you the freedom to anything but the most simple things (and still leave with with testable components)
 
Dha, the validation goes into your VM - Android should be able to call the binding adapter passing as parameter the View, where the binding was declared, along with the result of validation
Graeme, if eases from the responsibility to touch the UI directly
the MVVM knows how to fill up the view. The binding library takes care of filling up it for you
btw, Android databinding isn't the only option
 
But you call the binder from the ViewModel right?
 
So VM is responsible for the UI interaction including text change, state change?
 
you're all giving me headaches
 
So... model calls something like... viewModel.setField1("Hello);
Who know's that field1 has a bindingAdapter?
Rav - We were very impressed :)
 
awesome raghav
 
So VM is responsible for the UI interaction including text change, state change? more or less. The binding library changes the ui. The vm tells the BL how to change it
 
But doesn't that mean the VM has to have implicit knowledge of how the UI is displaying things? Doesn't that break the pattern?
 

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