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12:02 PM
mawnin nubs
 
it's 2 PM
 
it's 8:00 AM here, he's just wishing his american friends a good morning
 
no, it's 1pm here
 
Finally read through all the confusing Unicode stuff
 
and I can wish my friends a good morning any time of the fuckin' day
 
12:08 PM
@IntermediateHacker props for staying the course. Now, grab a beer ?
No it's 2pm here :)
@thecoshman If it's spammy, it's spammy :)
 
also I got tired of my compact-ass notebook keyboard so I just bought a genuine keyboard which has a numpad and other shit. I can finally type !
 
@DeadMG :)
 
Good Morning™ (though it's 4:20 PM)
 
@DeadMG then a good morning to you too
 
Fuck TimeZones™
I think I'm overusing ™. But still it's Cool™
 
12:12 PM
@ScottW just throw emp's on them
 
@IntermediateHacker 4:20? Where are you? I knew there were some timezones which are half-hour difference, but 15 minutes?
 
@Collin UTC +04:00 Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Doha Standard Time. In the Middle East™
 
oh, your clock is just fast
 
Hey wait It's 4:14 PM.
Wonder what happened to my clock.
Just set it right.
 
I thought you were in some crazy timezone that was like UTC+04:10 or something
 
12:15 PM
@Collin lol. which timezone™ are you in?
™™®®™™
Alt codes are cool
 
Eastern Daylight Time at the moment, UTC -4:00
Chicago?
Oh
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh! Look:
 
Oh right, you're from MI, I grew up there
 
sbi
 
@ScottW Just north of Ann Arbor
 
sbi
12:20 PM
@StackedCrooked Virtual base class dtors should be called non-virtually from the derived class' dtor.
 
Ah ok, I never got up quite that far, my dad's family lives in Clawson
@ScottW Out near Boston
 
Weird how people™ can connect with other people™ who live 1000s of kilometres™ away and find they've very much in common™.
 
dude
you're totally abusing my ™
 
aargh
 
12:22 PM
@ScottW Yeah, after college my wife and I moved out here for work
 
it's fun™
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: ™ [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
@ScottW It's not bad, we live a ways outside the city, near the New Hampshire border, but people are nice, work is good, housing is way more expensive though
 
sbi
@IntermediateHacker With a girlfriend I was once hiking through California's coast redwood forest for several days. It was lousy weather (raining), mostly, and we met only one human being. He was a German, from my girlfriend's hometown, and there were people they both knew.
 
@sbi Globalization™ .
 
sbi
12:25 PM
@DeadMG How come you think it's yours?
 
printf ("Press any key to eggs it...\n");
_getch();
found in example code that came with a board
 
passing the wrong format specifier to printf is UB, right?
 
@DeadMG Yeah, many compilers warn about it though
 
@Collin If you just want to pass a string™ use a puts, printf is for hardcore stuff™.
puts ("Press any key to eggs™ it...");
 
@IntermediateHacker Oh sure, it came from some example code on how to use a board's API
I just thought eggs it... was funny
at the end of the program...
 
12:37 PM
@Collin oh it was for axe it, not exit
 
It's exit
 
@Collin how do you know? It says 'eggs it' right there
 
gotta go now.
GoodBye™
 
@sehe It's the last thing the program prints out, and does the _getch() thing to keep the console open
It's a lot more obvious looking at the whole C file
 
@Collin So... If it was just to exit, it would be two lines of redundant code, causing quite the opposite.
 
12:39 PM
Do you ever call a function with a space between arguments and name ? foo (x) -> foo(x) ? ^^
 
On the contrary, these lines give the user the opportunity to 'axe it'
 
@sehe I suppose either way would work
@sehe Redundant?
 
@Collin ok, excuse my sloppy wording. I'm at work
 
I do like the idea of axing programs though...
 
dang, concert cancelled :(
 
12:40 PM
@Collin I like the idea of coaxing them
@thecoshman which one?
 
Mastodon in Dublin
 
@thecoshman Wow their site is on a slooooooow server
 
My understanding is that they are cancelling all the Europe gigs, so probably a lot of people wanting to know what the fuck is going on
 
Never heard of them, never really been into metal though
 
they're not really 'heavy metal', more 'heavy rock'
 
12:50 PM
@thecoshman not a word about that on their site
 
you seem to be taking a rather active interest in this :P
@ScottW oh sure rub it in why don't you
 
@thecoshman Ah, I was just reading the wiki page
@thecoshman This was message 3,430,000
"Mastodon cross multiple heavy metal genres such as sludge metal,[54] progressive metal,[55] stoner metal,[54] alternative metal,[54] groove metal[55] and post-metal."
 
I try not to get hung up classifying music, you end up with people getting anal about if something is 'classic smooth rage metal' or 'classic smooth thrash metal' etc.
@Collin so where is my cookie?
 
@thecoshman when you classify music too much, you get classical musix
 
@thecoshman At my house, but you need to take care of your own airfare
 
12:54 PM
@Collin fine... where do you live?
 
@thecoshman Massachusetts
Damn expensive cookie
 
@Collin oh man, America! Can't I just send you a self addressed envelope?
@sbi I can't tell if that looks tasty or not...
 
sbi
@thecoshman It's spam!
 
@sbi not a fan?
 
@thecoshman Yeah, but you can't get it fresh out of the oven from a self-addressed envelope. Unless it was an oven-envelope
 
12:58 PM
@Collin might need a bigger envelope...
 
@thecoshman I'll mail you an EZBake Oven
 
apart from a a free cookie, is there any thing worth travelling to Massachusetts for?
@Collin I'd frigging love one!
 
heavy metal ey.. youtube.com/…
 
Are those a thing in places that aren't the US?
I can't imagine any other country dumb enough to buy something like that
Mmm baked goods made in plastic by a light-bulb
 
Not sure if we had them in England, but we know what they are; probably thanks to Simpsons :P
 
1:01 PM
The blue version of those made gummy-worms
 
@Collin oh, we have toys that make sweets
sweets are tasty :D
 
@ScottW May contain small parts? Choking hazard to browsers under 3?
 
@ScottW that video reminds me of this one:
I think it's not good for your fur.
 
perfectly safe, though will give you a saw neck :P
 
@classdaknok_t lol
nice ending as well
 
1:08 PM
admittedly, I am a bit confused by this obsession with whipping your hair around in a by circle. Head banging is one thing, but the spinning o_0
@ScottW wasn't really asking a question, just stating my confusion (insert comment from sehe about how confusion should be kept private, blah blah blah)
 
I was thinking. If Microsoft wants to prevent people from pirating Windows, why don't they release it under an open-source software license?
 
because they don't
 
@classdaknok_t because then no one will pay... oh
 
as far as Microsoft is concerned, pirate Windows > use Linux
 
@classdaknok_t also, you don't have to be open source to be free
 
1:11 PM
their business comes from large corporations and OEMs, not from individual PC owners
 
@DeadMG Then why do they do all that genuine checking crap?
 
@classdaknok_t they have removed some of it
 
@ScottW A good pirated version of Windows has it already removed. But maybe you are right.
 
Latest Ludum Dare made more games in 48 hours than exist on the Wii
 
citation needed
 
1:18 PM
[ 1 ]
 
also, last time I checked, 'Ludum Dare' is not a platform
@classdaknok_t ¬_¬
 
@thecoshman ^_^
 
@classdaknok_t ¬_¬
 
@thecoshman 😃
 
@classdaknok_t ¬_¬
 
1:19 PM
pirate a ship
 
is that even possible?
 
Ludum Dare is a competition.
 
@ScottW close enough
 
I have the strangest thing
in my .NET application
when I try to start it, it throws a InvalidOperationException, because the Form is supposedly not created
I don't get how this can be?
 
lol
@TonyTheLion look at the backtrace.
 
1:26 PM
@ScottW the .NET framework or whatever normally does this
it used to work, like an hour ago
 
Maybe the constructor fails, or the file containing the UI is missing?
@TonyTheLion tried a clean build?
 
it doesn't even get into the ctor
I put a breakpoint, which is never hit
it's before the Ctor
 
@TonyTheLion maybe you are calling a method on a form that hasn't yet been constructed?
If that's possible. :P
> The exception that is thrown when a method call is invalid for the object's current state.
 
the only thing I added to my class is a private variable which is an instance of a class which contains 3 strings
 
Are you sure that's the only thing you've changed?
 
1:32 PM
@ScottW inline
 
@TonyTheLion you can breakpoint in Program.cs as well
 
meh, this sucks
 
1:49 PM
anyone familiar with the sgen tool?
 
2:02 PM
fuck me, man
grapes, they are the super tasties!
 
Fee Fi Fo Fum, I hear someone talking about C# in the C++ lounge!
 
@BenVoigt where?
 
@ScottW Up there. Complex initialization written inline in the member declarator isn't allowed in C++.
@Default That's pretty obvious as well
 
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2:12 PM
@BenVoigt Ironically, they actually just added that feature to C++11.
 
@EthanSteinberg I seem to recall it being much more limited in C++11. Not as limited as in C++03, of course, where only static integral members could be initialized inline.
 
@BenVoigt that's because the C++ folks are cool
 
@EthanSteinberg Nope, reading it again I see that side effects are allowed.
 
sbi
@BenVoigt Actually it's quite common that we talk about other languages here. C# isn't as common as Haskell, but it's probably the next-common language.
 
@sbi I know. And it's common to complain about people being off-topic. And complain more about discussions that are on-topic.
 
2:22 PM
Mostly because the C# chat is usually dead
 
sbi
@BenVoigt We don't complain about off-topic as long as it's not too overwhelming. We embrace it. This is a Lounge, after all.
 
I'm looking for an example how to call a custom cast operator manually on an object.
 
sbi
There's also a C++ language room somewhere, created by users who were annoyed about us discussing just about anything. The last time I looked, it seemed pretty abandoned. I guess most of us wouldn't mind it becoming more popular, though.
 
like obj.operator+, but for a cast
 
Wow meta suffers from sticky-no
 
sbi
2:23 PM
@Nils If you have a custom cast operator, you have a bug. Or more than one. Usually the latter.
 
Explicit custom cast is safe.
 
heh
 
sbi
Half a decade ago I threw away a whole stack of pretty lousy shirts that I acquired, over the years, by introducing cast operators into several code bases.
 
I have one, but didn't do it.
 
sbi
@Xaade Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about those. Back in the day we didn't have them.
@Nils You can invoke it using static_cast<>().
 
2:26 PM
nah you can call it explicitly using obj.operator somehow IIRC
 
sbi
@Nils I am sure you can. foo.operator blah(). So?
Anyway, I'm outta here. I need to go and pick up one of my boys. See you later, guys!
 
Have to get some work done, cu
 
the problem with Lounge<C++> is that C as undefined
 
Nah, there's just some vicious #define lurking somewhere "above"
 
2:43 PM
@Collin There's UTC+12:45, UTC+13:45, UTC+05:45, and many others that are no longer in use. There was also once a UTC+04:51, and several other crazy ones.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes TIL
 
The UTC isn't aligned with planetary movement either.
you don't even have to move to shift given planetary movement.
 
Time is so fascinating
UTC+00:30 was used in the British royal household, and is known as Sandringham time. It was stopped in 1936.
Good lord why
 
Told ye. Crazy ones.
 
Used entirely because Edward VII was nuts
 
2:53 PM
@Collin the monarchy ftfy
 
>"Dawson wrote that he had ended the King's life by giving him a lethal injection of cocaine and morphine. Dawson noted he acted to preserve the King's dignity, to prevent strain on the family and so that the King's death at 11:55 pm could be announced in the morning edition of The Times newspaper rather than "less appropriate ... evening journals".[77][78]"
 
> The number of seconds in a minute is usually 60, but may very rarely be 61 or 59
I need a table flip!
 
@thecoshman For leap seconds...
How do you do the quote thing? I can't seem to figure it out
 
Prefix with > (space required)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Doh, missed the quote by a few seconds... It told me I had less than 7 seconds left for editing :-P
 
2:58 PM
@thecoshman A minute as an unit of time is always 60 seconds. What that sentences means is that, for example, between 2012/06/30 23:59:59 and 2012/07/01 00:00:00, there's a 2012/06/30 23:59:60.
 
leap seconds
and even then there's no exact match
 
We just add them as they come.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I know what it means, it's just such and odd notion
Yeah... it's really hard to learn about something have a very little desire to know about
 
This course like school all over again
 
3:03 PM
I thought that was exactly how TVTropes worked.
 
Yeah, in theory, I am learning about Eclipse RCP...
I never want to put this knowledge into practice
Though I doubt there is much knowledge to do so with :P
@ScottW but not as much as if you cared about Star Trek I am sure
and now I have noticed this screen has a dead pixel!
 
@thecoshman Can't unsee!
 
concert gets cancelled, dead pixel on screen, This day just get's worse and worse!
 
Let me guess… the only thing that was positive today was your STD test?
 
o_0
 
3:07 PM
Bad joke, I know. :P
 
very bad :P
 
Very very bad.
 
lame-pun-coon would be ashamed of that
 
I like puns.
 
lol, Origin discount code! Like that is ever going to get used :P
 
3:10 PM
@classdaknok_t Some are too lame.
 
@thecoshman you mean the EA store?
Or the energy supplier in Australia?
 
Why not both :P
 
Sell the code for a million bucks.
 
you can have it $5
it's a code for £10 off
 
£10 discount coupon! Only £100! Get it here!
 
3:22 PM
well then, clearly dollars are worth a lot more since last I checked
 
It is almost always better to spend time reducing the total number of allocations versus implementing a custom allocator.
Hmm.
 
You can say almost anything with out being wrong as long as you say almost
 
Yeah, but I trust John Carmack.
 
It's well known that the best way to solve problems is to get rid of them.
 
One of my professors once told me that the fastest way to do something is to not do it.
 
3:28 PM
Exactly.
 
though best and fastest are not always the same thing
 
We're talking about performance, here.
 
@thecoshman Speed is by far the most common reason to implement custom allocators.
The default allocators are well known for being slow, due to needing to be generic.
 
@EtiennedeMartel and you told him "so I don't have to do any homework, right?"
 
ah, I was meaning fastest in terms of creating the solution
 
3:31 PM
should macro functions always be in caps? e.g MY_MACRO_FUNC_IN_CAPS()
 
@IntermediateHacker See your style guide.
 
Yes.
And use spaces instead of tabs.
 
if you really must use them
@RMartinhoFernandes o_0
 
@RMartinhoFernandes is that sarcasm?
 
Just be consistent.
 
3:32 PM
It's a (apparently failed) joke. But it's not sarcasm.
 
iirc @RMartinhoFernandes is a fan of spaces over tabs
I'm not too bothered if code is done with tabs or spaces, just as long as you are consistent
 
Real men use spaces. Otherwise you're depending on your IDE settings.
(Because the width of a tab varies from editor to editor)
 
oh yes, it's so silly to rely on a feature that lets you control how big you want your indent to be shown as ¬_¬
 
Real men follow their style guide and are consistent.
 
@thecoshman Yeah, that's true. I don't want to go over why I prefer them again, but it boils down to "tabs don't work well in all languages, and I use several different languages, and prefer one ring to in the darkness bind them"
 
3:35 PM
maybe it's just me, but the indentation is there to make code easier to read, how big they indent is is a moot point to me, assuming it's not too insane
 
I really don't care if somebody uses tabs or spaces, as long as he doesn't use both of them in the same file.
For indentation, of course.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes what languages don't work well with tabs?
 
@thecoshman Haskell code indented with tabs is bound to get fugly when you change sizes.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes ...agreed... spaces only !
 
@RMartinhoFernandes what do you mean?
 
3:39 PM
@thecoshman consider this:
 
do x <- foo
   y <- bar
   return (x,y)
 
fib n = fibs (0,1) !! n
        where fibs (a,b) = a : fibs (b,a+b)
Haskell with tabs is no-go.
 
what is Haskell used for mostly theses days? stupid question, sorry :P
 
I have seen people using tabs instead of tables in Microsoft Word.
 
@thecoshman Stuff?
 
3:41 PM
@classdaknok_t Because that's how it would have been done on a typewriter
 
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@Collin That doesn't make it OK.
 
@classdaknok_t Tabs in Microsoft Word are actually usable for makeshift tables, unlike in, say, Notepad.
If you want something like, say, "<aligned_left>X</aligned_left><aligned_right>Y</aligned_right>", it's much simpler and faster to get it done with tabs.
 
They shouldn't end up in the final document.
 
Because it makes them very difficult to edit them.
 
3:45 PM
What's so wrong about tabs in Word?
 
If you try to insert a long line of text into a cell, you would fuck up the entire table.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes those tabs are inherited from lpr type printers (LPT1: in text mode), all the way via old-style word processors like of course Word Perfect
 
@RMartinhoFernandes except that will not fully align something to the right, not will it work well as you add more text
 
@thecoshman It will. That's the point.
 
Yeah, word documents are not usually interpreted/compared/version controlled formally
 
3:46 PM
@thecoshman Tabs in Word align to the next tabulation point. Just set up a tabulation point on the right that aligns right and it magically works.
 
my left text <tab><tab>now on the right
if I add more to this
my left text <tab><tab>now on the right, but more
text that means I have gone past the end of the page,
I am starting to write on a new line
 
@coshman, you actually have to set up the tabs... if you just use the defaults then no it won't work nicely
 
Just use a real table.
 
@thecoshman That's because you don't know how to use them. It's one tab only.
Yes, you can say that misusing tabs is evil all you want.
 
or may be I miss understood what you where trying to do
 
3:48 PM
A tab in Word is not "8 spaces" or anything like that. It's "skip to the next tabulation".
 
I was thinking something like wanting an address right aligned, with a phone number left aligned on the same line on the page
 
@thecoshman Yep.
Do you know that ruler thing on top? If you click on it (or right-click? Can't remember) it puts a little mark there, right?
 
yeah, two column table
 
I never understood those things. :P
 
3:50 PM
for that short section of the document, I want two independent columns of text. One left aligned for the phone number, one right aligned for the address
 
But these days I use TeX for almost anything.
 
ok, this course has taken a turn for a worse... just got told how to search a web site for a download ¬_¬
 
@classdaknok_t That probably explains why you thought tabs were really bad.
 
and home time!
see ya tomorrow :D
 
Später.
 
3:52 PM
@thecoshman Bye.
I was defending @DeadMG, hostility is more than welcome. ;-D — ildjarn 2 days ago
 
WTF Firefox? I don't want to open PDFs with GIMP.
 
4:15 PM
You have GIMP? Dafuq?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes hello :P
@RMartinhoFernandes fairly sure that is not firefox's fault
 
Hey guys, which libraries to use if I want to work with tcp and udp connections?
 
@ManofOneWay Boost.Asio.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Thanks!
 
4:32 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Lol, didn't realize that comment thread had become interesting.
 
Als
hello folks
hello @sbi long time eh
How are you holding up old man?
 

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