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Anonymous
12:00 PM
touché
 
No touching necessary, actually I changed my mind. Touching necessary.
 
how's that new career as a ladyboy progressing btw?
 
@Fabor Maybe, if you show me the fun parts!
 
@Gordon Fulfilling. Finally get to put these long legs to good use. @DaveRandom is my mentor and inspiration.
 
Anonymous
@Fabor \o/
 
12:02 PM
@Jimbo It's all fun parts. Fly on out!
 
Anonymous
> NYC Parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in city parks, no matter how small.
 
So can I get a permit for one?
 
I am wondering, too.
 
@Jimbo Oh BTW you will be outside of the country for > 180 days right?
185*
 
12:09 PM
@Fabor he'll be away long time
 
Goodbye driving license then.
 
lolwut?
 
Anonymous
Really?
 
@Fabor What kind of douchebag law is that?
 
12:10 PM
Apologies for unrotated photo
 
almost certainly been posted but:
aka github pages no longer so stupid a hack.
 
@Danack not here in chat AFAIK, but everyone has surely seen it ^^
 
@Fabor that only applies to new ones (afaik)
 
@Fabor You know imgur has tools for that right? My neck hurts
 
How new?
 
12:11 PM
as in, when you first apply
you could renew it immediately before you leave and it would be valid for 10 years
 
My friend who works in NYC had his revoked under that though... he found out a few weeks ago.
 
@Fabor Good thing it's easy to get a US one over there :)
 
pretty sure the EU (while we are still in it, anyway) is a different story though
My license has an EU flag on it, if it ceases to be valid when I move to another EU state, that's ridiculous
 
@Fabor Yes, wait goodbye license?!
 
@DaveRandom You guys went out of the EU so all your licenses will be void in a couple of months
 
12:14 PM
@Fabor That's to get a license
 
someone should've mentioned that
 
TBF a lot of this stuff I am reading atm is always about foreigners coming to the UK
 
even my license to kill?
@Jimbo would probably apply when you renew as well
 
@Fabor I don't think you lose your license. You just can't renew it from outside the UK.
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa What do they do there?
 
12:15 PM
"You must drive a car once a week to maintain your licensed status"
 
@PeeHaa they didnt leave yet. they only asked $thePeople whether they want to leave but afaik no one did anything legally binding yet
 
I see. I wonder what happened to my friends one then.
 
@JayIsTooCommon IIRC it boils down to: Go forward. Now go backwards. (all on a parking lot) -> gratz you got it
 
@Gordon it'd be kinda great if they just didn't do anything and hoped people forgot about it
 
@Fabor maybe it just expired and he couldn't renew
 
12:16 PM
Aye. I switched my license address to my parents the other day.
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa ugh that's awesome. I have my test in 2 weeks and there's a good 90% chance i'll fail.
 
Cutting it a little close though. Arrives in 2 weeks leaving 0 days leeway.
 
You might be misremembering the story - it's standard that if you go to another country, you can drive on your UK license for a short time, but the if you're in the other country for long enough - the UK one is no longer usable.
 
@PaulCrovella it was probably just a trick by the illuminati to crash the economy so that they can buy the UK for cheap
 
@Fabor this is definitely a sensible thing to do @Jimbo
 
12:16 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Sucker. Driving tests are balls :P
 
@DaveRandom I uh, live with my Auntie anyway ;)
 
Is she hot?
 
@Fabor I changed address and renewed mine when I moved, it said 2 weeks but I got it in 3-4days
 
@JayIsTooCommon Serious? It's super easy
 
Is she f*
 
Anonymous
12:17 PM
@Fabor For you city boys maybe. Mine is in a town surrounded with shitty country lanes
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa I'm not good under pressure...
 
@Gordon why would anyone want to buy the uk though
 
Anonymous
/me prepares more excuses
 
@DaveRandom DVLA is probably near you though. Damn embassies are in Manc too :(. No wait DVLA is Swansea
 
!!remind 2 weeks "laugh at @JayIsTooCommon"
@JayIsTooCommon You don't say... ;-)
 
Anonymous
12:18 PM
lol XD
 
@JayIsTooCommon I passed my test in Oxford. Test required both city and country roads.
 
@PeeHaa UK driving tests are pretty hard, most people need >1 attempt
 
I had to overtake a tractor. And I had never overtaken before.
 
Sure it's the tests...
:P
 
Anonymous
Also, the day after my test my theory expires
 
12:18 PM
And I went in to the wrong gear while doing it.
 
Anonymous
So it's going to be a ball ache if I fail
 
@JayIsTooCommon oh god. You waited too long
 
@JayIsTooCommon Yes it will. Just pass it instead.
 
For how long is the theory valid over there?
 
@Fabor yeh and the post doesn't take 2 weeks to get a letter from anywhere to anywhere in this country :-P it's just about how many applications they are processing at the time I guess
 
12:19 PM
@PaulCrovella for… ummmm… umm… the good weather and formidable beer?
 
I got pretty lucky on mine tbf. 13 minors. One minor for each hour of lessons I had :P
 
ah, nvm
 
@Fabor I was looking at importing my bike (before it died), absolute nightmare
 
Passed the day before I came to University. Haven't driven since. \o/
 
@PeeHaa 2 years
 
Anonymous
12:19 PM
@PeeHaa Depends, a few weeks i think. But 15 week waiting list for a practical test
 
Anonymous
oh valid
 
Anonymous
2 years.
 
@DaveRandom Furry muff. Well hopefully it's quick. 2 weeks should be enough
 
@DaveRandom 2 years. Damn you are slow @JayIsTooCommon
 
I will now try to play Sir, You Are Being Hunted on my Intel HD 5000
 
Anonymous
12:20 PM
I've had a car for 2 years too..
 
lol
You suck
 
if I dont reply for a few hours, it either worked or crashed my computer
 
@JayIsTooCommon Slacker.
 
in any case ttyl
 
12:20 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Just wear a skirt and a low-cut top. You'll be fine.
 
Anonymous
@Fabor Oh I'm definitely going to offer a blowy for a pass
 
@Trowski checking the Type#__toString() stuff in an hour or two
 
turn up in an Audi, the standard they expect will be lower
/says the BMW driver
 
lol
 
Ekn
heh
 
12:22 PM
Funnily I don't think I will ever drive. Still love having a license though.
 
I wouldn't even know how to get to places if I can't drive
 
@PeeHaa teleportation
 
@PeeHaa goto
 
I would assume it's even worse for you UK guys with your full retard train ticket prices
 
12:23 PM
heh
 
lol
 
Anonymous
> Many of todays programmers completely ignore the fundamental principles of sound programming and they spend huge amount of time fantasying new layers of complexity in order to appear more clever, more cool, and more acceptable by whomever they regard as their peers.
 
@tereško I expected that to just redirect to php.net
 
Anonymous
^^
 
@PeeHaa The public transport blows. I simply don't work far away from home.
 
Anonymous
12:25 PM
@PaulCrovella SO docs
 
> The wrong way: Thinking of patterns when solving problems.
 
My life is fairly boring and mundane though. So shrug.
 
So when I'm solving a problem, it's incorrect for me to think "Hey, that pattern would help here when implementing that"
 
Anonymous
@Fabor You're about to go travelling though, so \o/
 
Yes. the changeup.
 
12:26 PM
@Jimbo a) not black and white b) the incorrect thing is "what pattern should I use here", which sounds similar but is totally different
 
Yep, he worded it wrong, I was being both slightly serious and slightly facetious
 
@Jimbo then make a PR
 
@Fabor Are you going to try a Ladyboy? Highly recommend the DaveRandom models
@tereško Didn't know it was OS
I shall do right now
 
heh. On a slightly related note, a lot of people do ask if I will go for a happy-ending massage.
Thailand, the land of lady-boys and sex masseurs.
 
wut oh
 
12:28 PM
You can't travel there without feeling like people see you as a pervert :P
 
@Fabor Why would anybody ask that?
Ofc you do. Everyone does
 
Because Thailand
While I have no issue with people paying for it, it's not something I would do tbh. I might be more willing to be paid for it actually. Y'know, lacking a job and all.
 
@DaveRandom "The wrong way: Thinking "which pattern should I use here" whilst solving problems."?
I don't know, not clear enough
Thinking "which pattern should I use here to solve this problem"
 
Might become one of those Japanese PAYG boyfriends. Just flirt and cuddle with lonely women to boost my self-esteem.
 
> Wrong way: looking for a pattern to solve a problem .
 
12:31 PM
Perfect
Better english than me
 
Anonymous
@Fabor Are you actually planning on getting a job out there?
 
@JayIsTooCommon He's planning on multiple kinds of jobs
 
My plans are to look for remote work eventually.
My immediate plans are to become more brown and volunteer.
 
@tereško What's the right way then? That does seem overly broad to be of any use :p
 
> Understand this clearly: The ideal number of lines of code in any project is as few as possible!

^ Good, I'm going to codegolf my code in future <.<
 
12:33 PM
@Sean patterns are "shorthands" for describing a solution, that you made, to another developer.
 
Anonymous
@Fabor Volunteer?
 
Yeah, work at hostels, farms, schools, and such.
 
Anonymous
That sounds cool
 
Rent boy implies I get paid.
 
Anonymous
12:37 PM
<.<
 
What I need a is a sugar-daddy
 
@Fabor I thought @PeeHaa was supposed to be your sugar daddy.
 
Anonymous
@Fabor @Linus :)
 
heh
I don't need to earn much tbh. Couple of hours a week would sustain me. But I don't really love the idea of working on things like WP. That's my concern.
 
Anonymous
Haven't seen Joe in a while - holiday?
 
12:40 PM
@Ocramius Ok, I won't be able to be online then, but hopefully soon after that.
 
oks
 
Looks like beta3 was tagged... apparently it was suppose to be this week.
 
Anonymous
@Fabor When you start looking ping me, we're a developer down here and they can't seem to find anyone. Shit pay though
 
@JayIsTooCommon If the hours are right then i'm interested.
 
Anonymous
@Fabor I'll enquire :) - The 'good' thing is there's no 'you must use this', it's do what you want just make sure it works and it's secure. What hours are you after btw? (a week)
 
12:44 PM
Minimal. Like 2 days a week may be my max.
 
Anonymous
Hoki, will ask when I can
 
Cool cheers.
 
@Trowski I'll pink Davey about it, should there have been a BC break
 
> The wrong way: Following the PHP-FIG beyond the PSR-1 and PSR-2. Thumbs down
shouldn't that be blindly following?
And even PSR-2 is debatable :-P
 
@bwoebi Every PSR is debatable.
 
12:49 PM
@bwoebi Just following it is a hazard for your health. So it looks good to me
 
In the end it's just a preference of the majority.
 
@Oldskool PSR-1 is such a small scope that virtually everyone agrees
@PeeHaa Wait, aren't you using PSR-4 too? ;-P
 
Yeah. PeehaasStandardRules
 
lol
 
PeeHaaSR-1
 
12:51 PM
@Jimbo PH(P)SR-1
 
@bwoebi Thanks for the thumbs up
 
@Jimbo :-P
 
morning all
 
1:11 PM
morning you
 
Coffee high!
 
Wes
1:29 PM
 
bonjour
 
@Wes lol, my favorite scene.
 
Wes
i love futurama
 
Watch Rick & Morty
 
Wes
i miss futurama
 
1:32 PM
best title card: "not the one with the dead dog"
 
The feels
 
It's non-Friday and highly amusing
 
heh. I love it when people post expecting people to be on their side and people point out that they themselves were wrong.
 
You've lied on your CV, got the job and now you have to act like you know what you're doing… https://t.co/iwsMELDHpg
 
riiiigh .. on friday expecting people to click on youtube links with no thumbnail
 
Wes
i can only think how expensive all that track is @dave
 
I dunno, it can't be that much, it's not like it's scalextric
@tereško both not-rebecca and sfw
 
Wes
1:48 PM
hot wheels track pieces were expensive too
 
Sigh. PC sale fell through -_-
 
@Fabor selling of you current machine to buy a new one?
 
It's PC gone mad
 
@tereško Selling because of the move. I bought a Dell XPS for my travels
 
@DaveRandom Macs?
 
1:53 PM
Windows ME
 
@Fabor different country?
 
Yup. Booked a one-way ticket to Thailand. Going to move around Asia for a bit.
 
that's peculiar
 
@DaveRandom That was just MS missing the Ballmer Peak
 
@tereško Yes. But I am unhappy currently so time for a change.
 
1:55 PM
Have you considered new shoes?
 
I tried, the joy was momentary.
 
@Fabor I think I have heard of this condition ... midlife cry-something
 
lol. I'm about a decade early but feels like it.
 
cryogenics?
 
@Fabor how much have you saved for this experiment?
 
Ekn
1:58 PM
cryonics
 
by my estimates, 10k would be the minimum budget
 
@tereško A lot. During and even before my marriage I didn't spend much. So I was saving for no reason.
 
also shaving for no reason
 
@tereško Asia is super cheap, even at 10k you could live for a few years probably.
 
I was calculating for 12 months
and 800€/mo is not all that much
 
2:00 PM
An apartment in most places would cost about £250pcm. I'll be volunteering or staying at hostels/friends.
Plus picking up remote work where I can.
 
@JayIsTooCommon heh did I miss something there :p
 
that's unlikely
 
Well I appreciate your optimism but it's a little late. I leave in just under two weeks :P
If it puts you at ease I have more than your estimated amount saved. I have also travelled Asia a fair bit in the past so I am quite familiar with costs.
 
I read a bit too much in that "costs" part
 
If things look dire I can always book a flight back too.
 
2:04 PM
@Fabor it's not the lack of optimism. I just always make two plans: one for what I expect to happen and one for "it all went tits-up"
 
Flying home is tits-up :). I use the term home liberally.
 
@Fabor no, "not being able to fly home" is
 
Ekn
^++
 
What would prevent that aside from death and incarceration?
 
getting your credit card(s) and passport stolen
 
Ekn
2:06 PM
many variables
 
breaking some obscure law
 
I've travelled the world before. I'm quite familiar with how to keep my stuff and myself safe.
 
/me gets back to work
 
LOL
 
If I get mugged I get mugged. Shikata Ga Nai. I'll figure it out based on where and what.
 
2:07 PM
:p
 
I have copies of all essential documents saved to a cloud drive. I know to hit up an embassy in trouble. Don't do dumb things to make myself vulnerable. Be familiar with my surroundings. Travel with other people when I can. Have emergency money, have emergency cards.
 
When I see questions like this: stackoverflow.com/questions/39041186/php-issue-on-shopping-cart it makes me want to blot my eyes out.
I mean, the markdown editor gives you a live view of the rendered HTML and everything. How hard is it to get formatting right? Seriously.
 
yeah thanks for inflicting it upon us :p
> FROM punjabi
/thread (ok sorry, this is a little bit mean, I think)
 
@Sherif I am tempted to flag this as "offensive"
 
@tereško It practically is. My eyes are deeply offended.
 
2:14 PM
btw, bought DasKeyboard for work
couldn't deal with the stock kb they give =/
(shipment should come in next week or so)
 
does it comes with key stickers, or you have to just remember your layout?
> The Cherry MX Brown switches have a soft, tactile bump about halfway through the key press. The Soft Pressure Point switch technology makes the mechanical keyboard less clicky while providing an awesome tactile experience.
wow. of all the fields one can over-engineer, a keyboard effectively seems like a productive one
 
@DaveRandom sup?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I picked the "professional" version, which has printed keycaps
also, I picked the brown switched
 
I'm done with this week. /me closes client projects \o/
 
Beer time then @PeeHaa
 
2:24 PM
@PeeHaa Hey, you're done when the rest of the 12 timezones behind you are done!
 
I have been drinking since lunch :P
 
I have still 3 hours to work (since I only showed up after 12:00)
 
Finally got my BB sorted. Saving me a nice £270. :D ahh. Feelsgood
 
But this crazy hot 'n wet weather is somehwat killing when drinking
I'm sweating while just sitting :(
 
@Fabor cant you gift your PC to someone in your extended family (or at least, "sell it" for a symbolic price)
 
2:26 PM
@Fabor bb?
bonusbot?
bedbreakfast?
Probably the last knowing you :P
 
It's mutual mutilated
 
@PeeHaa Broadband
 
oh nice! You surivived the cobwebs and dust monsters?
 
@tereško AFAIK I am the only PC gamer I know. Sadly.
@PeeHaa heh. No after all that faffing I ended up just transferring the bb without TV. Apparently my parents don't like saving money shrugs
 
2:28 PM
Double encoding issues are hard to catch, but easy to prevent with good planning and design. Even @linkedin messes up http://t.co/WwZo1xnJcF
 
@WyriHaximus yesterday there was a react-related query (I forget what) but I think it's now resolved anyway because XY
 
Everyone gets encoding wrong
Everyone
 
@Fabor heheh :-)
 
Wes
@Sherif not me, at least not in the past 5-8 years :B
 
...that you know off
 
Wes
2:29 PM
and before that most of problems were probably caused by magic quotes :B
 
MAGIC!
 
I never get encoding wrong. It's always the encoding itself that is wrong!
 
@tereško TBH a guy offered to buy it at a price I am not overly happy with but it's an option.
 
> Magic n. Bug factory
2
 
@DaveRandom ah alright, just got the notification now, a day and a half later -.-
 
Wes
2:31 PM
wasn't it an adjective :B
 
@WyriHaximus :-P
 
Ekn
apparently not in here
 
@Wes either
plus adverb and probably other things as well
 
@tereško You can always fly out and join me in Asialand :D
Prices might actually be cheaper than Latvia there.
 
Wes
every existing database i had to deal with had double encoding problems, clearly in the most inconsistent way possible. so that your only option is fixing it manually
as Murphy predicted
 
2:39 PM
I got 99 problems and encoding is probably one of them.
 
Could also add a utf8 validator to everything you ever accept as input
:D
 
@Fabor encoding is not a problem… Except if you're using Windows. Then hell breaks loose because too much ISO-8859-1 there still
 
@bwoebi it is?
 
@PeeHaa from my experience
@PeeHaa Everything's UTF-8 nowadays
 
16
 
2:42 PM
@PeeHaa I said except if you're using Windows.
 
Github's Bio placeholder says "Tell a little about yourself". This could be my chance to contribute to something great!
 
@bwoebi Recent windows stuff with iso88591 encoding?
 
@PeeHaa still existing -.- Or at least assumed as default encoding too often
 
Anonymous
@Linus @Fabor wants you to be his sugar daddy :)
 
maybe you should drop that nt1 box :P
 
2:44 PM
@PeeHaa But yeah, most recent stuff is better.
But too much legacy cruft using the old encodings or UTF-16
 
lies windows me is the best
 
:p
 
@Trowski the patch breaks zend-code indeed. Can we revert the specific bits about the backslash?
 
lol
@flowchainsensei YES! https://t.co/S4nwuX2WdC
 
So, lately I am realizing how easy it is to create false forms and just harvest people's credit card informations. any known trustable way to verify a websites trustiness? like this? Is it safe? I really need that mononoke princess tee shirt, you see.
 
2:46 PM
Why SO doesn't let us see who has downvoted us? I need to know, because I want to revenge ..!!!
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier tls
 
@Shafizadeh well… that's why.
 
@Shafizadeh because of exactly what you just said
 
Heh ..
 
2:47 PM
oh nvm @FélixGagnon-Grenier. The only kinda way is tell about something awesome on the site in question and let a friend try it out for you
 
I like the way you think.
 
Alternatively use paypal checkout
At least you know they cannot be trusted
 
Anonymous
Not sure if already posted but
 
Anonymous
2:51 PM
Good guy
 
Good Guy Code Guy
 
ConfusedHaa
 
How is that feedback?
 
Wes
 
@PeeHaa I agree, it's bollocks
 
2:54 PM
@PeeHaa you know how when you direct a mic towards the monitor it creates an increasingly screeching high sound? likewise, reading this will make you cringe more and more until you can't stand it anymore.
 
@Ocramius I can, but I'm certain that nullable types returning ?Type\Name will also break zend/code. So changes will probably be necessary anyway - so then the question becomes: what will make the most sense going forward with potentially more complicated types such as callable prototypes.
 
Wes
they just added me to the list "php twits" i dunno if i'm being classified as idiot or they misspelled tweets
 
@Trowski yes, but that's a new feature, and that's how it is
I'll have to adapt to ? anyway, but existing code breaking is no-go
 
@Wes I have seen your tweets. What do you think yourself?
:P
 
Wes
:(
 
2:55 PM
Bring your SSH client to work day
I'm in.
 
@Wes I got that as well
 
Wes
/runs away crying
 
@Ocramius But just prepending the ? will break the existing code, that's my point.
 
Yes, but no existing code contains "?"
 
Heya people
 
2:57 PM
running my current codebase on PHP 7.1 would just crash everything
 
I got a problem with zipArchive - I var_dumped everything and everything is returning a correct result, even though my ziparchive is empty
 
if I start adding nullable and void everywhere, I obviously can't expect the tooling to be in shape for it
 
Hey @bwoebi mind shooting me an email I can use to contact you about doing a review over my Aerys application? Spoke to my manager today and got a green light
 
on my local machine it works great, now i uploaded it to the testserver and it returns an empty zip archive: gist.github.com/Xatenev/e96c34701633ce497bbdcb052163502f
And yeah, im pretty much lost, when i var_dump($zip) it returns "numFiles" => int(1) means it contains one file
but when i do readfile($zipname); it throws out an empty zip instead, status code is 0 which means no error happened: #define ZIP_ER_OK 0 /* N No error */
 

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