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Sam
12:05 AM
@Drew Nice answer on that meta thread btw.
 
12:22 AM
@sam the SE one a day or two ago?
 
Sam
12:34 AM
@Drew Yeah
 
I thought it was written rather poorly. Had to stop re-reading it. Made no sense half the time.
 
12:48 AM
Why isn't this closed/deleted yet? From 4 hours ago, unclear, vlq, no mvce, no effort
Just dumped a stacktrace
 
@AndrewL. the number of eyes (10)
No one is around. They are off having fun in the sun.
 
Summer's coming to a close. :(
 
 
3 hours later…
4:14 AM
@Tunaki wake up and help one of your java ormies stackoverflow.com/q/38690644
I will let that guy sweat it out. I can't save the world.
Might even do a google on that which he says he knows.
 
4:41 AM
@Drew - I can't save the world. ==> Epic
 
5:18 AM
@Machavity can't be deleted until it reaches a negative score; so at this point, I suppose yours is really
I nominated this as "too broad" but not really sure where exactly to go with this. Also flagged rude comment by OP stackoverflow.com/questions/38691184/…
 
@Machavity I've replaced the link to link to archive.org's cache. Is the answer really otherwise useless?
 
5:33 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/postfix basically all of these are off topic and additionally have the wrong tag (should be )
uhm, correction, the tag is apparently correct, in spite of the earlier rename request meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290566/…
how should that be communicated to the bot?
 
user3956566
5:49 AM
hey @rene can you pin something about downvoting vandalised posts?
 
user3956566
hey! Self vandalism doesn't warrant downvotes! — Yvette 2 mins ago
 
@Yvette my bad, unfortunately my vote is locked in now
 
user3956566
@tripleee if it's self vandalism, tp- it's true, but don't blacklist the user, unless the uses goes on a rampage
 
but I guess I wasn't the only downvoter there
 
user3956566
@tripleee that's my opinion, it's just that the post will revert to it's former state and we should be voting on the merits of the post, not the user's momentary behaviour
 
5:52 AM
@Yvette totally agree
 
user3956566
In this case the user was serially downvoted the day before, which was reversed, but I guess they may have felt despondent
 
user3956566
You can make an edit and reverse your vote.
 
@Yvette yeah, looking for something to change ...
 
user3956566
@tripleee I raised a mod flag, but will write a meta post about it, just to educate people
 
@Yvette excellent
 
user3956566
5:55 AM
I'm also working so multitasking hard here atm ;)
 
I count a total of two questions which are not obviously off-topic Server Fault
 
This is ridiculous
While I was ill, I got ~900 rep from examples I contributed to a week ago
 
@Magisch It looks like some of your worst blunders have been fixed. Free rep. (presumably) if anyone wants to fix the typo.
 
@NisseEngström My worst blunders?
What was wrong with that?
 
@Magisch The one I mentioned before and unindented uncompilable code to start with.
@Magisch ...unless I'm being fooled by the diffs.
 
user3956566
6:12 AM
@tripleee let me know what you think meta.stackexchange.com/questions/281889/…
 
@Yvette Good question. I think the downvotes are inappropriate.
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström hey thanks for the feedback
 
@Yvette hesitantly upvoted the answer from a low-rep user; I don't really think "downvoting is also okay" even makes sense after his (?) latest edits, but the bulk of the answer is now okay. And I concur with Nisse -- thanks for bringing this up!
 
user3956566
@tripleee thanks for your feedback, I always appreciate how we communicate. I think of you when I'm juggling for time to spend with my kids and programming and know I'm not alone ;)
 
and dogs
 
user3956566
6:30 AM
for me it's cats (we used to have dogs and horses)
 
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara there are multiple issues surrounding that post on meta, and I was unsure how much to include and decided stick to the point. Thanks for your comments.
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ no need to provide duplicate feedback once it is given. The idea behind feedback is purely for the developers of sd, to determine the accuracy of the reports and the tweaks on how they are grabbing spam/abuse from the site.
 
SmokeDetector is amazing when it comes to keeping SO clean
 
6:45 AM
@NisseEngström Can you link to the diff you see there?
 
Why do I always see multiple "sd k"'s in chat then usually? Even in the charcoal channel @Yvette
 
I'm not aware of that
 
@FrankerZ I think it's just because two operators were too quick to notice each other's "k" responses, not because it is useful
@Yvette bletch, ended up submitting an answer of my own (again)
at least this time I'm not getting downvoted
... yet
 
Morning
 
user3956566
7:03 AM
@FrankerZ in charcoal there has been much discussion about it and it's frowned upon. In here maybe the ROs aren't so worried @rene ?
 
user3956566
@tripleee I liked it thank you! as you can see by the comment ;) There is like a 15-20 lag in receiving pings from chat on the main site
 
@Yvette I rather not because this room is not about voting. You can't ask for votes here so it feels a bit strange to tell users how to use their votes.
 
user3956566
@rene ah k no worries
 
@Yvette yes we are and if the sd k's come in minutes after the initial sd k we become vocal, if it is just a race condition we go meh
 
user3956566
@rene thanks rene. I don't want to come in here and tell everyone what to do .. even though I do LOL - nah in all seriousness, I'm trying to hep and checking that it's ok
 
7:08 AM
@FrankerZ one sd k is enough. Some members here do a waffle if they are ninja-ed by another member
@Yvette Yeah, I think it needs reminders now and then that we are not a voting mob :(
 
user3956566
@rene yeh it's the pile on that concerns me - of votes, although a bumped Q may not be just receiving votes from chat, although we tend to be at the scenes of these crimes.
 
I had my eyes examined by the doc this morning ... need to zoom now to be able to read this blur called chat ...
 
user3956566
Mind you that's the penalty of self vandalism, it's a destructive thing to do.
 
user3956566
@rene hey that's not good for your eyes, take a break from the screen
 
Hey everyone o/
 
7:13 AM
Hello
 
@rene Wait... we are not? O_O I've been lied to!
 
user3956566
shi seth! slovely so see sou, sbetter so snow, so swe sont set sinto strouble ;)
 
@Yvette yeah, users probably argue that when they arrived at the post it deserved a down vote. I'm not going to interfere with that, often being one of down voters my self... (feels bad now)
 
@Yvette Si see shat sou sean :D
 
U NO GIVE ME TIME 2 FLAG?
 
user3956566
7:15 AM
@rene hey me too, I sometimes get cranky at them and is the post is not good I will downvote it. We are all human and get tired of the abuse on the site
 
@Yvette I'm a flower ... but yeah ...
 
user3956566
@rene here's a link go and spit on it
 
I have a feeling this docs repocalypse will be temporary
1.9k rep in 1 1/2 weeks is just unnatural
 
user3956566
@Magisch I don't even understand what it's supposed to be
 
@Yvette A site full of examples and tutorials based on tags?
 
7:17 AM
@Yvette Noone does.
 
Basicly a bucket where all the answers to questions that would be too broad on SO go.
 
user3956566
@Magisch ah best explanation I've heard yet
 
user3956566
@Seth lol
 
@Yvette you're so helpful ... ;)
 
user3956566
@rene I know, you can feel the love ;)
 
7:20 AM
What is love?
 
@Seth Baby dont hurt me
 
@Magisch Don't hurt me
 
user3956566
 
@Seth No more
@Yvette Like "How do I make an array in C?"
 
@Magisch Or "How do I write a Hello World program in language X"
Which isn't all over the web already, nuuh.
 
7:28 AM
@Seth Thats not an argument
Q/A was all over the web when SO started
 
@Magisch Well, the initial idea behind Docs was to offer a central documentation, and to enhance existing documentation (AFAIK).
But half of the stuff posted on docs is stuff that you cannot enhance anymore.
It should've been an actual documentation, no "How-To"-Collection (imo).
 
8:06 AM
@Drew booking.getGuest().getBookings().clear();. Bah, my guess is that the link booking -> guest wasn't cleared...
Not a Hibernate problem, logic problem considering they most likely have a bidirectional mapping :p
Hiya o/
 
anything to dump on orms. You know me
 
!!/notify 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
@FrankerZ You'll now get pings from me if I report a post on stackoverflow.com, in room 41570 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
user177800
@Tunaki poster child for breaking the law of demeter!
 
@NisseEngström What code in that doesn't compile? I tested all these with ideone?
The last one is missing a return 0 for consistencies sake but it will still compile IIRC
 
@Magisch Missing { after main() .
 
Ooh in the first one
I wonder how that slipped through
>_>
 
8:41 AM
sd n means what?
 
Not an answer
 
So it isn't spam? o.o
Darn it.
Another declined spam flag :/
 
@Seth sd n is a short alias for sd NAA- which is for posts that aren't spam but not an answer either.
 
@Seth very misguided IMO
 
@Magisch Ah okay :) Thanks
 
8:44 AM
I have 99.03% helpful flags now
 
pschft
 
Dafuq?
 
hmm
 
Last answer on that post
 
@Tunaki I missed the fact that the answer came from the OP. The link looked fishy as f.., and it didn't fit the question at all.
 
8:50 AM
What? stackoverflow.com/a/38691813/1743880 <-- check the edits
 
What do you do in that case? Roll it back?
 
@Tunaki Weird.
 
@Tunaki rolled back
Answer vandalism
Not that it was a good answer beforehand, but it was one
 
No idea if the first revision is relevant to the question
 
I will do a quick test to check a new feature, hold on... we might have some turbulence...
Ok thanks that was smooth...
 
8:56 AM
@Magisch Do you do anything else there, besides rolling back?
 
@FrankerZ Comment that they shouldnt do that, if you fancy
If they roll back your rollback, flag for mod attention
 
As you all may know with queen we are running regex and NLP (natural language programming) on all comments to find offensive, snarky comments. With the permission of RO you will now be able to report comments to queen (this helps us a lot to improve our feed, we need more bad comments, since we are currently running with 1/2 twitter feed)
The command is @ que report linkToComment
You can only report comments on SO
 
wonderful Petter :)
 
You racist against non RO's?
What if we want to help?
 
@FrankerZ yes, you have a problem with that?
 
9:00 AM
@PetterFriberg Does the RO have to hand out permissions to every person individually?
 
It maybe a little bit confusing that same bot that do duplicate notifications, check for snarky comments, but this is simply because everything origins from the comment api
 
@rene is a RO flower
Don't upset rene it can only go badly
 
@Magisch What's his pixel-level right now?
 
Hence we are scanning all comments on SO (both for dupes and while at it testing for offensive and snarky stuff)
 
9:01 AM
@Magisch No reviewer privileged is enough to report comments to queen (hence >3k)
@FrankerZ since you have more then >3k, your can report comments to queen.
 
Well, what if I don't want to report comments to queen?
 
@FrankerZ You have no choice c:
 
Yeah we will format FrankerZ account : )
 
I'm starting to feel the force of slavery that comes with the SOCVR room
 
it is a prison term of at least 4 months
 
9:07 AM
If you come to this room, you dont leave
You become a cog in the SO quality control machine
 
@FrankerZ Yeah it is... no payment, no reps no badges ... just a lot of work... and also sometimes a lot of complaining from others, that you closed something badly..
 
The only reward here is knowing you made SO a little less crap today
 
like 0.1% : )
 
@Magisch No matter how much you dress up crap, it's still crap
 
@FrankerZ We dont dress up crap, we remove and shunt it
 
9:11 AM
@JAL render your entity back from Texas
 
@RiggsFolly Thats not recommending a manual. He wants to move something to another page.
 
@FrankerZ Yup. Went with TB.
 
9:51 AM
@FrankerZ Which he could find by looking in that manual
 
If thats the case, it wouldnt fall under tjat category
 
It'd be RTFM if we'd still have that CVR.
We do not, so it's either TB, unclear or No MCVE.
 
^
 
10:06 AM
@JanDvorak Next time, remember to include valid close reason between cv-pls and link
 
@JRodDynamite [tag:cv-pls] is the correct format
 
+ reason : )
 
and that ^
 
@rene Yup, that was a mistake.
 
@JRodDynamite you can edit ...
 
10:08 AM
.... but be quick ...
 
maybe it is too late now ...
 
Edit the same message?
Sorry, this is my first time here.
 
@JRodDynamite yes, you can edit your message for up to 2 minutes
either use the up arrow on your keyboard or choose [edit] from the menu revealed at the left of your message
 
@JRodDynamite Here you got some more info about the room SOCVR always good to check out the FAQ
perfect : )
 
Will install and use the script. Thanks! :)
 
10:14 AM
Awful question stackoverflow.com/questions/38696231 unsure what to close it with: Suggestions
To broad probably
 
unclear, too broad...
 
I went for Too broad
 
10:49 AM
Hiya!
 
Hey Ashish!
:)
 
11:02 AM
Broader than a London Bus stackoverflow.com/questions/38697135
 
@RiggsFolly Oh boy.
 
@RiggsFolly You need to send cv-pls, so your request can be traced and handle...
If you only like to have opinion you need to formulate it as a question, normally a ? is a good sign...
 
@RiggsFolly Just get the userscript for CV-PLS :)
 
Yeah, we want to clean our script and keep track of stuff we close voted on so please use our format.
 
11:27 AM
well well
 
Ok, newly invited here, still learning the rules
 
what is "8 ★★★★"?
 
it's just a scoring system, based on the probability of the comment being rude, as determined by the classifier
 
@RiggsFolly no problem ...
 
from 1 to 10.
 
11:29 AM
ah. So why the stars?
 
that ^
 
for fun : )
 
:)
 
1 to 5 stars : )
 
11:29 AM
oh boy ...
we hat fun ...
 
it was not so bad, but I was eager to try the new feature : )
 
We should really change our name from SOCVR to SOFH (SO Fun Hatters) :P
 
Morning
 
Morning
 
Morning
 
11:31 AM
Morning
 
Morning
 
Sam
Morning
 
@RiggsFolly Here you got some more info about the room SOCVR check out the FAQ some to learn more.
Hiya to Sam also
 
Sam
\o
 
11:38 AM
@RiggsFolly perfect : )
 
Sam
@queen Queen: the destroyer of trains.
2
 
@Petter Slowly getting the hang of this stuff
 
@RiggsFolly yeah nice!, be sure to not submerse us with cvs, find the worst ones, the FGTIW ones, the low-traffic tags ecc. (we have like an un-told rule to not do more then 5-10 x day)
@RiggsFolly Here you can find and filter all the cv-pls not yet closed... have a look at them as well chat.stackoverflow.com/…
lunch afk
 
@AshishAhujaツ We already had that one o.o
 
@Seth when?
anyways, I can't delete it now. 2 mins up
 
11:46 AM
 
Plop!
 
Plop Kyll!
 
Hiya Kyll
 
@AshishAhujaツ 10 messages above yours :D
Hey Kyll c:
 
Sam
@Kyll Hiya
 
11:50 AM
@PetterFriberg ?? FGTIW ?? I know it will be obvious when you tell me but
 
@RiggsFolly Fastest Gun In The West
 
LOL Ok
 
Answerers which try to send their answers as fast as physically possible
Often resulting in poorly worded, unclear, low-quality answers
 
Gotcha
 
Some FGITW can be actively harmful, for example "typo: new MyClas should be new MyClass" for they may be upvoted and prevent deletion by the Roomba
Most major tags are subject to a lot of low-quality FGITW
 
11:51 AM
The motivation for FGITW is mostly to either be the first one to answer (and thus get the +15 reputation for being accepted) or to quickly snag an upvote because the question is going to get closed soon.
 
Fun times are when someone posts a LQ answer, you downvote it, they delete and repost the same LQ answer, you downvote again.
 
@PetterFriberg I notice you guys dont seem to add Close Votes. Is that a policy or do some of you review the list at the end of the day?
 
@Kyll Yep... But if you do that 4-5 times it'll stop :) Because they'll get question banned :)
 

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