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2:00 PM
they did discourage "what have you tried?" or maybe even ban it
 
but seriously, the W word needs to get off this site
 
@Seth So if you see someone you can't say what he's doing, because the term what describes what he does is blacklisted, but the behaviour that the term describes isn't blacklisted... (Also love that comment: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/281787/… :)
 
Vampires everywhere, then. Help-vampires, and rep-vampires. After all, they complement each other...
 
@Rizier123 Yep... ^^
 
@Tunaki They also banned lmgtfy.
 
2:01 PM
This is - imho - arguably worse than docs.
Not because it'll decrease the usability of SO drastically, but because this is actually utter garbage.
So many problems, so much stuff that needs attention.
And what do they focus on?
A f-ing term.
Slow clap.
 
hiya
 
o/
 
@ryanyuyu I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
ryanyuyu passed a audit!
 
@BhargavRao \o/
 
^^ Gotta love when audits are obvious. A question tagged both angular and c++?
 
2:04 PM
@BhargavRao o/
 
greetings BR
 
@kayess Started my work life. So have become busy ;_;
@PetterFriberg o/
@ryanyuyu o/
 
@Seth So true. They could fix the problem so we don;t need the term but instead they just want to fix the term and let the problem continue.
 
@BhargavRao Welcome back, anyhow :D \o
 
@kayess Ty :)
 
2:07 PM
@Seth Some of it is also due to the increasing political sensitivities (at least in the SO offices) around gender
In the future, we'll call them "Professional Reputation Workers"
 
@Machavity like the Chinese WoW gold farmers?
 
@Machavity I know. I almost coughed up my lunch when I read the word "gendered".
 
@ryanyuyu Pretty much. "WTS 100k SO account. $100 OBO"
 
I thought higher of SO to be honest...
 
@Machavity "Professional Reputation Workers who has ability to bill"
 
2:11 PM
@Machavity Love that term :P
 
Take a poll of 100 females here though. My guess is that the term is not well received. People sling around vocab like it is nothing.
 
It is a problematic part of internet and even American pop vernacular.
 
Oh, so males cannot be whores?
 
I can't believe it took this long for the SE stance on it
 
What is this bullshit.
 
2:13 PM
Seth you are missing the point.
 
I don't think so :)
 
No matter what, it violates the "Be nice" policy.
 
^ yup
Well, partially.
It's edgy, simply because you don't just judge a word by its wording, but also by the way/intention it's used for.
And we do not use it to call people whores. This term is used to call people out for farming reputation.-
 
We all know that.
 
Of course, one could argue that a softer term should be used instead, and that's what it'll end with eventually.
But why the f*ck do you ban a term when you could fix the source instead?
 
2:15 PM
Ehm, I have a gut feeling that we are getting going onto this too much in this room, lets keep it to that meta post to skip unwanted consequences... ?
 
Why cure a symptom when you can cure the cancer?
@Kayess Ok :)
 
Because cancer is harder to cure.
 
We are screaming for so many improvements.
And then they do docs and then this term thingy...
 
@ryanyuyu Not in this case.
@Rizier123 Yup... ^^ Anyway, afk, writing a reply to that SE post. Jesus....
afk
 
@Seth If we can't use this term anymore I will just call them "site destroying low quality garbage cannon creating reputation oriented users" :P
 
2:18 PM
^---- aka: SDLQGCCROU
 
This site is about making money. Driving people away does not make money. Dummy down the quality but increase the ad impressions makes money. Pleasing the vulgar side / increasing quality / lowering ad impressions makes less money. It is not rocket science
 
@Seth eh?
 
Needs 1 more
Huh? Did they change the delete votes to 4?
That is bad
 
@BhargavRao huh?
I count 3.
 
2:33 PM
I could see delete(3), Then on refresh it was deleted.
Some concurrency issue?
 
Blame teh caches
 
I, too, blame cash for my issues
 
@TylerH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
The rant is done for anyone interested. Don't know if it's too ranty or too little ranty :/
 
wow I cleared
@Closey next 5 tags
 
2:38 PM
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@TylerH The next 5 tags are: selenium 62, google-chrome-extension 51, android-layout 45, c 42, linq 33
 
<_<
 
@Compass I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Seth balanced rant, so nice
 
@Tunaki Thanks :p
 
Am I insane? I thought this was literally asking for a tutorial "(If there is a video or tutorial or at least hello world app for android app using .net core I would very happy)"
That, and there's 3 or 4 other questions. <_<
 
2:50 PM
@Compass I would have voted to close too.
 
That's OT
:S
 
Woo failed audit \o.
 
And also, that are more than one question in that question.
Audits, oh audits...
 
so do i actual close vote it now?
 
Would do so.
 
2:51 PM
i dont even know what to close it as, there's too many things! TB, OT, RES gahhh
I'll just do it as too broad.
 
76
A: I know this is an audit and it is bad. What should I do?

TylerHThat depends on your alignment: If you are lawful good, pass the audit, then go to the question and vote-to-close. If you are neutral good, pass the audit and get on with your life. If you are chaotic good, skip/fail the audit, then go to the question and vote-to-close. I won't cover neutral...

 
Sam
@Compass I would've closed as TB or rec.
 
@TylerH I am chaotic, and I am good. Does that mean I am chaotic good? o:
 
It had been puppy'd
 
Hard to detect a false negative as an audit :/
 
2:53 PM
The ninja puppy strikes again. Fear him
 
Usually you just look for clues in the tags
 
I have 2 go now :) Cya later/tomorrow :)
 
now im absolutely mortified that every question is a bad audit ._.
 
TylerH passed a audit!
@Compass You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 15 minutes and 18 seconds, averaging to a review every 22 seconds.
 
@Compass Good ;-) Now you're reviewing properly
Open up each question in a new tab to make sure it's not an audit
 
2:55 PM
i dunno, going to the question to confirm its not an audit seems like the definition of paranoia.
 
it's easy to confirm it's legit of there are related comments that match existing CV reasons
@Compass no, it's the definition of thorough
It's not that you think the audit system is out to get you. It's that you accept it as inherently flawed
and therefore cannot trust it not to screw you even with the best intentions
 
Funny you mention thorough and DnD :V rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/84719/…
 
@Compass As DM of that game I would have taken the caster's ability to perform that school of magic irrevocably
through some curse or poison or something
 
Or make everyone evil?
 
Future games I would just lay it out as a game rule "any characters created by X player are not allowed to cast Detect Magic/Evil"
because it's annoying AF and stupid
 
3:00 PM
I mean, as a thief, I check for traps often.
Seeing as whenever I don't I literally get shocked by a door or step on a nail.
 
yes but that's not the case in that question
 
@Seth cya
@Compass Do you have the steward badge already?
 
uhhh
no?
im close on some of them
a few more days of LQP and I'll have steward.
 
any Oracle experts here?
 
TylerH passed an audit!
 
3:03 PM
@Compass you get a badge from review que, when you got it (or are tired) I can find a quicker more efficiente way to review close votes
 
yeah im at 930 or something for LQP
 
@Tunaki not expert but shoot maybe
 
what did maybe do to deserve that
 
The previous @mathguy : )
 
Diagnostics logs are filling my disk. I want to decrease them, they log too much.
 
3:05 PM
@Tunaki Feels like we might have discussed that not long ago
 
:)
 
o.o
 
@Tunaki stop executing queries.. : )
 
@TylerH You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 31 minutes and 41 seconds, averaging to a review every 47 seconds.
 
and that makes 6,000 CV reviews, too
 
3:06 PM
@PetterFriberg lol, I know a better rant, add more disks
 
hehe :)
 
@Tunaki turn off logging
 
ok but how?
 
3:08 PM
@Tunaki RTFM
: )
 
@Tunaki That's why I pipe my logs to /dev/null
 
@TylerH yeah that doesn't cut it, I don't have this interface, I'm on the command line :)
 
@TylerH that's some bullcrap article
 
meh it was just the top result
probably something like change param clientsidelogging = FALSE for comp compname server servername
I dunno Oracle
 
3:11 PM
I'll figure it out
eventually
 
seems like /dev/null is the solution stackoverflow.com/questions/848166/…
 
> logging_listener = off
in the tns listener config
although it's a question what kind of logging do you really want to stop
 
yeah I don't know :D
 
because ora makes logs about 10e+132897636871 events
ok, I'm off, have a nice weekend guys \o
 
cya
 
3:18 PM
cya u2
 
cya ^-- that trainwrecker guy
 
Laterz
 
@NathanOliver o/
 
Hi
the laterz was for kayess btw
 
3:21 PM
oh :p
 
3:43 PM
 
3:54 PM
afk
 
4:11 PM
@queen tuna isn't in the room!
^ that is spam
 
@AshishAhujaツ You do not need to post a reject please. That is what the edit monitor is for.
 
oh ok. sorry
 
and BTW, could you reply to that report by edit monitor saying that it's spam? I don't have privs for doing that
 
@AshishAhujaツ right now I do not believe he listens. If I remember correctly it is a report only bot.
OMG: A "new user" asking if his Q would be okay to post instead of just posting :) meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/330105/…
 
I'm not sure if it actually listens. checking some history.
 
@NathanOliver hmm no commands in github I do not think it listens... @ProgramFOX?
 
Does what listen?
 
EditMonitor can you send feedback?
 
4:24 PM
Does fox 9000 listen to responses to reports?
 
@PetterFriberg @NathanOliver Looks like it does not listen. Was asked earlier
 
no EditMonitor does not have a feedback feature
 
OK. That is what I thought. Thanks
 
ok thanks ProgramFox
 
user177800
@tripleee yep those that bitch the loudest are usually the worst offenders
 
4:25 PM
ty programfox
Night o/!
 
Laterz
 
Hiya all BTW
 
Hey
:( already voted
 
: ) Hiya
 
4:40 PM
lol ^ that was me.
 
@NathanOliver I noticed and just trusted you.
Out of votes today? :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well that is why I commented instead of voting. I was not 100% sure. My TMP and varadic template knowledge is lacking.
I do not like to hammer unless I am 100% sure so if I have a doubt I just comment and let other decide.
 
@NathanOliver OP will complain, if it doesn't fit anyways ...
 
true. I just don't like filling in for the complaints department ;)
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, usually I'm acting the same, if not sure.
 
4:46 PM
<-- expert in that department...
 
oh hi there
 
hey gunr
 
@gunr2171 o/
 
nice week?
 
inb4 flood of questions asking "how's your new job"
 
4:47 PM
@Tunaki For high level specific c++ stuff as well actually?
 
@gunr2171 beat ya
 
Hiya gunr
 
gunr!
 
learning a new code base is not fun
 
morning
 
4:47 PM
@gunr2171 Hiya @gunr
 
@πάνταῥεῖ only poor java I'm afraid
 
hello everyone
 
@gunr2171 Well, I know
 
I pushed super hard for the name Examples from the first time I heard about this proposal. Couldn't a highly curated group of Q&A around some extremely narrow thing be bundled together into a form of examples? — Jeff Atwood ♦ 9 hours ago
@gunr2171 you use SVN, please tell us if you use SVN, we have a repertory of SVN jokes
 
we use Team Foundation Version Control
 
4:49 PM
aw
 
not svn, not git
 
never used it before
 
it's Source Safe 2.0
 
Oh. I've heard meh stuff about that.
 
Have you ever seen the hot questions sidebar and wondered what the heck are those weird icons, associated with weird non-obvious names... that is what I feel when you tell me that you are using TFVC
 
4:51 PM
@gunr2171 Wahhh, I had to work with that crap decades ago. It's absolutely horrible, I can confirm.
 
oh, btw, here's a rundown stackoverflow.com/q/20107701/792066
 
Trust me, I'm not enjoying the fact that we're using TFVC
however, the process looks to be so ingrained in that no one is willing to consider anything else
I mean, hell, TFS as a whole is great (issue tracker, building, etc), and the default version control option is not GIT, not TFVC
 
@gunr2171 You should hold a meeting on how there are better alternatives
 
oh yeah, that's the other thing...
 
more meetings?
 
4:53 PM
My meetings per day have tripled
 
tripped? oh that sucks
 
...
 
> Local Repo, offline support and full local fidelity on history is incredibly powerful, you get that out of the box with Visual Studio.
 
Waffles for gunr
 
yes yes, i fixed it
 
4:53 PM
gunr when he noticed it was a trap... there are more meetings
 
but is it just temporary?
 
no
hell no
@Braiam I mean, I've been here 1 week and I actually have the consideration to go back to my old place
2
 
Well MPD may be up but what about MTPW(meeting time per week)?
 
those are all just meetings I guess
 
4:56 PM
yep
 
or doctors appointments
 
the heck are you discussing about?
 
there is a 30 minute scrum meeting for 15-30 minutes each morning
 
gunr should really get a job as a obfuscater
 
the others I don't understand
 
4:58 PM
Ah. Well that's too bad.
afk for lunch
 
monday i'm taking with another developer about the code base, so there is not a lot for me to do today
I can poke around aimlessly
 
guys, I'm laughing right now... but I feel really sorry for gurn.... sorry man
 
: ( but I understand
 
Just be careful. Sometimes if you poke too hard it pokes back.
 
@NathanOliver like the SVN guy?
 
5:01 PM
Yes?
 
I can tell them my efficacy is 97% cuz a bot tracks it
Something like 30 to 34 % of JS cv age away. I forget at last check.
 
5:19 PM
@Braiam reading...
 
@cricket_007 hmm I would say more 'too broad' but I'm not sure if it is
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Braiam OMG. That is fing ridiculous. I'm actually glad they fired him though. He didn't need to be there. If writing comments in code breaks something it is the something that is broken not the person doing the comments.
@πάνταῥεῖ meh. LIRO's answer really is the answer.
 
@NathanOliver You're right LRIO's answer is correct. Rectracted my dv.
 
@NathanOliver LIRO? Where's the I?
 
5:33 PM
@Braiam Boogle :P ...
 
@Braiam Lightness Races in Orbit
 
¬_¬
 
I pronounce the abbreviation as "Elroy"
 
Yeah I use lie row
 
5:40 PM
@Tunaki Please do me a favor and close this as duplicate of this. The low level problem is unrelated to the question. I'm going to leave a comment explaining it.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis hmm the dupe doesn't talk about getting the body of the response
 
best comment of the day so far:
@HB1963 yes I'm sure. First, I know all the overloads for insert for std::map. Secondly, if there were such an overload, you wouldn't be here now. — WhozCraig 1 min ago
 
@NathanOliver He left you a loop hole :)
 
Oh I see getResponseBodyAsByteArray
 
@Tunaki I'll adapt it. See comments on question.
 
5:43 PM
:)
 
@NathanOliver I pronounce just Lightness :)
Well, Tomalak from time to time
 
cmon, that so boring.
not the tomalak
What is that?
 
@NathanOliver They change their name from time to time (that was a very old account of them), but I guess also lost bets in the tavern sometimes :P
 
@Tunaki Thank you.
 
5:49 PM
@NathanOliver The interesting thing is, that completely independent from their actual nick, their commenting and answering style is absolutely unique, and you'll recognize immediately.
 
Yep. Last time he/she changed their name I new it was him/her just from the way he/she wrote.
 
Lightness is actually a representative of the Borg Collective so we just say "they" typically
 
:)
makes sense
 
yeah he was Barry The Hatchet for a while
 
The second half of that name was only visible to 10kers
Barry The Hatchet In the back of his skull
 
5:54 PM
?
 
you know, bury the hatchet
 
oh you weren't 10k back then either
 
the name was changed to that during a time of meta arguing
 
@TylerH really?:D
 
@SmokeDetector seems like an fp
 
5:55 PM
Eh..
Why should he does it twice...
He's blacklisted.
 
Q & A
 
@AndrasDeak yes though there isn't an ability to hide half your username though
 
new A triggered Smokey, made him aware of the Q
 
the question was only two days ago
 
@TylerH yeah that was the part that sounded odd
 
5:56 PM
was the user blacklisted after that?
 
@TylerH posted a self answer so it triggered for the Q and A.
 
@TylerH I guess. You could ask why
oh, Nathan asked him already
 
@TylerH posted a answer that said test over and over
 
Well, did it succeed?
 

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