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12:08 PM
@fredoverflow I was disappointed by this video. It doesn't really talk about what Turing-completeness is, nor discuss the advantages and disadvantages of a system being Turing-complete.
 
user1804599
It was pretty much just a recap of the video on Turing machines.
 
Hello All
I am working on Oracle queries and I wanted to replace (+) operator for join queries with specific join word like LEFT OUTER JOIN
Can anyone help me on it ?
 
user1804599
Why do you ask a SQL question in a C++ chatroom?
 
Ven
I'm not sure what you mean, but even then – this is a C++-oriented lounge. Please ask questions on the main website :)
 
12:17 PM
I understand it..but it was just like a small hint ..and I am working on cpp project only so
Sorry for that
 
12:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That left one looks a lot like it's Apple-related, so I feel the need to offer you my sympathies
 
I got a Mac and a PC.
One of those huge iMac screens.
 
@CreativeMind The fact that you need only a small hint doesnt change the fact that we as c++ devs arent suited to answer an Oracle/SQL question. Its like asking your dentist for financial advice.
 
3 messages moved to bin
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now I'm definitely feeling the sympathies.
Macs are terrible enough even with two screens
 
@Puppy why?
 
That last kick was a bit excessive.
 
12:37 PM
well
 
Why was I kicked out?
 
I never used to but then people get into extended whining about it
and then the other Loungers complain
so now I do
 
Yeah, but kicking for asking why isn't really fair.
 
Should I not ask questions about C++ books here or what?
 
it's not but I kinda feel like I don't have much choice in the matter
 
12:38 PM
@Puppy Meh, it's pretty fine for my work experience.
Fullscreen terminal accessible with a keypress + browser + gvim is enough for me.
 
Ven
@Quant There's a big list. otherwise SO doesn't really into books.
 
I know about the list, I'm asking for an opinion between two books.
 
why don't you read both
 
I would love to at the same time, but unfortunately the biology of the human eyes and the brain don't allow that to me. Otherwise, reading two books with a similar level, both being 1400 pages long isn't very time-smart.
 
@Quant let's just that that as someone who doesn't know anything about the subject matter, you're not qualified to say whether Prata's book is that bad or not.
 
12:41 PM
I'm not saying that, I read that, as I've written up there.
 
You can perhaps comment on things like clarity and such, but you cannot comment on the technical aspects.
On which it really fails.
(And yes, C experience more or less translates as zero C++ experience)
 
You must be fun at parties.
 
@Quant I thought you wanted advice, not funny jokes.
 
Well, I would love some advice, not kicking out and attacking.
 
@Quant I didn't do that, sorry.
 
12:43 PM
My bad then.
Thanks for the advice
 
My advice is to switch.
 
Ven
that was probably a certain dog
 
Thanks!
 
Hmm, browsing through the list of accepted talks for CppCon. Anthony Williams' is called "The Continuing Future of Concurrency in C++".
 
in bin, 11 mins ago, by DeNiSkA
hullo
i want console window to print many lines on center but all i am able to do is this.....
i hope i wont be kicked again
 
Ven
12:45 PM
@DeNiSkA we have a website for asking questions.
What you're doing is basically stepping into a lounge where there are discussions and loudly crying "CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT MY PROBLEM". When there's literally an arrow saying "For problem go there ->"
that's a bit rude
 
@DeNiSkA @Puppy hallo
 
@Ven honestly saying chat is much fast than main site
 
Ven
that's no excuse.
 
@DeNiSkA Look how fast it's been so far!
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Ven
that's literally like saying "yeah but going directly to the doctor's house is faster to reach him at night"
it technically might be true. but you're still an asshole for waking him at night.
 
12:48 PM
:'''''(
 
What drives you to think that an unorthodox process which has produced no useful result so far is faster than the standard way of doing it?
 
@DeNiSkA If we want to answer questions we go to the main site and do just that. Coming in here and dumping your question is rude. This isnt the fast lane for getting answers.
 
It's been over 12 minutes and all you have for it is two kicks and people telling you not to ask questions here. How's that faster than anything whatsoever?
 
I think environment here has become too hot :|
 
Nah. Just waiting for a cold body to chill out.
 
12:52 PM
@DeNiSkA The only hot thing in here is Morwenn
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::*brings liquid nitrogen*::
 
Liquid Nitrogen can't chill DEEZ NUTS
 
Can't do that on MSVC, though.
 
@DeNiSkA over the internet, good try
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Theres no equivalent?
 
1:01 PM
MSVC doesn't even support inline assembly in x64.
(Or is it "didn't"?)
 
I'm really suprised by this. TBH I kinda assumed some parts of the STL would use inline assembly in some rare cases (meaning it would have to work in 32 and 64 bit)
 
Ven
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Q: 64bit Applications and Inline Assembly

JavaManI am using Visual C++ 2010 developing 32bit windows applications. There is something I really want to use inline assembly. But I just realized that visual C++ does not support inline assembly in 64bit applications. So porting to 64bit in the future is a big issue. I have no idea how 64bit appl...

 
@Borgleader You can just put the assembly in proper assembly files and link them in.
I doubt there is any template code in the STL that needs inline assembly.
 
1:16 PM
@StackedCrooked is it me, or does Coliru seem significantly less busy lately?
 
user1804599
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user1804599
@sehe look I'm writing a VM again
 
Drop me a line when you're not writing a VM :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wrong assumption on my part then :)
 
@набиячлэвэлиь And that ain't even true. Ask Ven next week :(
 
1:19 PM
@Ven That pisses me off as well.
I end up using ICC.
There are some things that no compiler optimizes well (even with intrinsicis).
 
@Mysticial Your fingers encountered a threading issue.
 
What about intrinsitrans?
 
I prefer to be intrinsinclusive :)
 
1:41 PM
so bascially Jupiter has the same constituents as the sun
3/4 hydrogen, most of the rest helium
Jupiter also has 67 moons
what do you think will happen if chain reaction starts at jupiter for whatever reason?
earth looks like a cold little fellow sitting near a gigantic camp fire :p
 
@Telkitty question for worldbuilding.SE?
 
1:58 PM
@ratchetfreak would I be able to get reasonable answers though? :p
 
You? No.
 
I've seen quite detailed answer there
 
@Telkitty Almost nothing.
 
hello
 
sup
 
2:04 PM
The smallest star is ~100 Jupiter masses. Replacing Jupiter with one of those would have a meaningless impact on the radiation Earth receives.
 
@ratchetfreak I am amazed by the amount of reps you have on various SE sites
you have over 2k on over 10 sites
 
The primary effects of such a thing would be due to gravitational effects; Jupiter is already big enough to have a say in the orbit off pretty much every object in the inner solar system, so 100x that would incur significant changes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wow. That's so counter intuitive. Must be because Jupiter is 5.2AU from the sun (ergo ~4.2 from Earth)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the smallest observable star
 
No?
 
2:09 PM
@sehe No, it's because stars of that size are not particularly bright.
 
@Telkitty The scenario of Jupiter burning is already in Space Odyssey.
But if I'm not mistaken, there's not enough matter for it to be sustainable.
 
@sehe surely you can see every star in this universe because the universe is ENDLESS
 
@Telkitty The smallest naturally occurring one. Your question is a thought experiment that won't spontaneously occur: Jupiter is too small
@Telkitty Whatever. I don't know why you bring that up. Also, it seems contradictory. Yawn
 
@Telkitty It's also not far from the smallest that can be explained for a hydrogen star.
(That'd be ~85 Jupiter masses)
 
@Telkitty I have diverse interests...
 
2:10 PM
But do you have dividends :)
 
@Morwenn Jupiter is a giant planet with a mass one-thousandth that of the Sun
 
@Telkitty If your scenario is "what if Jupiter became and star and also happened to become as large and as bright as the Sun", then might as well just let go of Jupiter and say "what if we put another Sun in the Solar System?"
 
@sehe bad bad polar bear
 
@Telkitty And yet it's about one-hundredth of the mass it needs to initiate and sustain hydrogen fusion.
 
I don't see how jupiter becomes a star would have much to do with gravitational changes in the solar system
 
2:13 PM
@Telkitty The gravitational attraction of its own mass is what leads to the fusion processes.
@Telkitty It wouldn't. Jupiter is too small to become a star, and the smallest star wouldn't change anything noticeably beyond what it's gravitational pull would change.
 
@Mikhail So I played a bit more with the prefetching thing over the long weekend. Several observations on my Haswell box:
- prefetcht2 doesn't just prefetch into L3. It seems to go all the way into L2. IOW, T1 and T2 are the same. If you try to prefetch something that's too large fit in L2, but large enough to fit in L3, my guess is that it first goes into L2, and then eventually gets evicted into L3.
- A direct consequence is that multi-level prefetching is basically useless. Originally the idea was to prefetch into L3 ~5000 cycles ahead of time. You can't fetch directly into L3. And OOE i
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes where did you get that figure from?
 
@sehe We're talking about 0.0001 times the absolute brightness of the Sun (i.e. ignoring factors like size and distance), so 4.5 AU doesn't matter much here.
 
Point taken. I always thought the Sun is not particularly large. Apparently, it's significantly larger than required :) lol
 
"The name wasn't a tip-off?" "Honestly, at first I thought you were saying 'Juneau'. A gravity assist seemed like a weird way to get to Alaska, but I figured it must be more efficient or something."
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2:17 PM
@Telkitty Memory. You can easily find similar numbers for it.
 
that's the mass needed for the fusion process to start by itself?
which is not my question ...
31 mins ago, by Telkitty
what do you think will happen if chain reaction starts at jupiter for whatever reason?
man made for example
 
It would still stop
 
@Telkitty Then the answer is nothing
 
10 mins ago, by sehe
@Telkitty The smallest naturally occurring one. Your question is a thought experiment that won't spontaneously occur: Jupiter is too small
 
Fusion cannot sustain itself below certain limits.
Or maybe the correct answer is: then all the orbits would go awry, because the one way to start such a reaction is to throw 70+ jupiters at Jupiter.
You can't just light a bonfire on it and let it burn.
 
2:22 PM
if that's true then there will be no fusion experiments on earth
 
or the sudden burst of energy would throw out all the mass that is jupiter
 
@Telkitty the mass is important if you use gravity alone to get pressure to start the reaction, however if you use something else (like a metal box) then you don't need that much pressure
 
@Telkitty Oh, then you mean enclose Jupiter in a fusion reactor and burn it? Then the answer is the same: the orbits would go awry because a fusion reactor that big would be more massive than Jupiter itself.
 
thus chain reaction, because fusion itself would generate huge amount of energy
 
2:25 PM
Probably less than the energy required to build a Jupiter-sized fusion reactor.
(One just has to consider that to obtain that much matter it requires turning all the other planets entirely into whatever material you would build the reactor out of)
 
@Telkitty fusion != uncontrolled chain reaction
 
I think the whole idea is not whether it could happen but how much energy it needs in order for fusion to take place.
 
Again, the answer is several more Jupiters.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's mass, not energy
 
There's a way to build an astronomic-scale fusion reactor that doesn't require turning entire planetary systems into metal: it's the case where the reactor is made out of the fuel itself, also known as a star.
 
2:32 PM
he's going to tell you E = mc^2
 
@ratchetfreak Unless you think moving mass around and converting matter into metal at planetary scales is free, the difference is not relevant.
 
Basically: if you somehow magically start fusion in Jupiter without changing Jupiter's mass and orbit, then it's too faint to change anything; if you want to also magically make the resulting Jupiter arbitrarily bright, then the effects are just as arbitrary as that, and Jupiter itself becomes irrelevant for the thought experiment.
@Telkitty My point was that a much more massive body would be almost meaningless (except for its mass), so you can speculate as much as you want about how much more meaningless it would be for something as big as small as Jupiter.
 
@Mysticial tasteful comments about waterboarding
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Assuming there's deuterium present, you only need to add ~12 more Jupiters.
 
2:46 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, 13, since you'd need to bring all the deuterium in those extra Jupiters. :P
(And then the existing one is pointless to consider)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think you still only need 12--even if Jupiter contains no deuterium, it still contributes gravity.
 
Hmm, fair enough.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In fact, you don't need very much deuterium at all--you just need some deuterium + enough gravity to raise it to the required temperature, and the deuterium starts to fuse (assuming the deuterium isn't so diluted with other stuff that it can't find any other to fuse with).
 
@StackedCrooked that serie is fucked up... I'll need to do more thorough research next time before I start watching something
 
@JerryCoffin Nah, you need a lot because it won't all fuse at such small masses.
 
2:50 PM
@JerryCoffin I think if you have a high enough concentration of deuterium then you won't need as much mass.
Since fusing deuterium requires less energy than hydrogen.
 
@Mysticial 13 isn't as much as 85.
 
oh aha, I didn't ready further up.
 
@JerryCoffin Basically that'd just be a brown dwarf and again the effects would be very uninteresting.
 
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Q: Can Jupiter be ignited?

XinusOur solar system itself contains two candidate "Earths" One is Jupiter's moon Europa and another is Saturn's moon Titan. Both of them have the problem of having at low temperature as Sun's heat cannot reach them. Jupiter is made up mostly of Hydrogen so is our Sun. Can we ignite Jupiter so th...

so much so for our discussion
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes True--to get anything useful from it, you need to convert the heat/light it produces into some form of energy you can use, and transmit it to somewhere you want to use it. Oh, and we already have a sun that already produces a lot of heat and light (a lot more of both than a brown dwarf would), so our problem right now is really just with capturing, converting, storing, transmitting, etc., the energy we already get from the sun.
 
3:07 PM
Sooo ... hypothetically, you could pile up a planet with rubbish with 0.1 mass of the sun, chuck in 10% hydrogen by mass & you would end up with fusion ...
 
Er, no?
Oh, you mean 0.1 solar masses?
 
corrected it
 
Finally not more open issues than closed issues on cpp-sort /o/
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How can you have 10 years experience and still be scared of Hello World? @ 8:42
 
@fredoverflow Social anxiety...
 
3:18 PM
Okay, how about "Oh, hi there, world, is it you? Didn't notice you at first..." instead of "Hello World!" then?
 
@fredoverflow We need to make CS more attractive to sales types and such, so it should probably be more like: "Hey there world, you're pretty hot. Can I buy you a drink?"
 
I agree, totally beats writing the first program with std::cout << "foo bar" << std::endl;
 
std::cout << "I wanna flush your stream, and I'm gonna!" << std::endl;
 
std::cout << "never use printf" << std::endl;
 
printf("fuck std::cout\n");
 
nwp
3:21 PM
puts("printf is overused");
 
are you teaching 'em C? >_<
 
@fredoverflow she's stupid
 
@ScarletAmaranth Well yeah, she says so herself.
You don't need the smarts for CS, according to her.
 
that makes her even more stupid
 
3:27 PM
> No...you shouldn't learn to program. If you are not already someone who enjoys it and is interested in this, you likely won't enjoy it. If you do not enjoy it, you will not be good at it, and will likely break more than you fix, if you are able to do anything at all. The mentality of the "programmer", the IT guy, the IS guy, and the "Tech Geek" in general is not one you can just "learn", and if you don' t know what I am talking about, you don't have it.
Wait, why didn't the YouTube link onebox?
strange
 
yeah
but also no
I know a lot of people who don't care about IT and programming but when exposed to it are actually very good
OTOH I know a few people who'd tell you they are passionate about tech but actually sucks at programming, and generally don't care about the job being well done
The passion thing is bullshit IMO
It's just a pretext for not having to train junior and underpay people with actual experience
 
@fredoverflow Is that from the video or the comments?
 
comments
 
@slaphappy Yeah, I agree.
 
programming is harder than one would think at first glance
 
3:37 PM
from giving one course
The best students were the sales people
The worse were actually the nerds who taught themselves at home and probably thought they didn't need the course
 
@slaphappy The best programmers, in my experience, are math and physics students.
 
So they ended up writing a project with a terrible C/C++/C with classes from 1998 style
 
Did they use Visual Studio 6 as well? ;)
 
@ratchetfreak programming is so hard we still have no idea how to do it properly
we are all just guessing best practices
 
At its heart it's giving instructions to a pedantic little brat that will follow them exactly
 
3:39 PM
which periodically turn out to be awful
 
@fredoverflow They would probably use Dev-C++ if I didn't specify what to use
 
@fredoverflow Hmm, scientist code has a different reputation.
@ratchetfreak Actually...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Students, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes computer == pendantic little brat
 
I don't really think it's the important part of being a programmer
 
3:41 PM
@ratchetfreak But it's been many decades since programming was giving instructions to a computer.
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Q: Why does integer overflow on x86 with GCC cause an infinite loop?

MysticialThe following code goes into an infinite loop on GCC: #include <iostream> using namespace std; int main(){ int i = 0x10000000; int c = 0; do{ c++; i += i; cout << i << endl; }while (i > 0); cout << c << endl; return 0; } So here's the deal: Si...

Counterexample.
 
Computer Science? More like Computer Séance. We keep hammering away at the keyboard in an attempt to communicate with the spirits inside the machine.
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well all the "high level" languages have removed the programmer from giving those instructions directly
 
A séance /ˈseɪ.ɑːns/ or seance is an attempt to communicate with spirits. The word "séance" comes from the French word for "seat", "session" or "sitting", from the Old French seoir, "to sit". In French, the word's meaning is quite general: one may, for example, speak of "une séance de cinéma" ("a movie session"). In English, however, the word came to be used specifically for a meeting of people who are gathered to receive messages from ghosts or to listen to a spirit medium discourse with or relay messages from spirits; many people, including skeptics and non-believers, treat it as a form o...
 
@fredoverflow nice
 
@fredoverflow Well, I have written a bit of code to communicate with daemons...
 
3:48 PM
@JerryCoffin Nasal?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Nasal demons are overrated aspirated.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes today it's playing the telephone game with all the layers in your tool stack and hoping something sensible comes out the other end
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That depends a bit on the programming you do, of course (but it's certainly true that most programming goes through several layers of operating system and device driver before it touches any real hardware).
 
@JerryCoffin been a while, any updates on the collaboration program thing?
 
4:09 PM
@ScarletAmaranth No, not yet. They haven't ruled anything out, but for now their primary interest is in local colleges where (for example) somebody can drive there easily to help out if there's a hardware problem.
 
@JerryCoffin sounds like a reasonable approach :)
 
4:28 PM
At my new job, after each quarter they have a week of "hack days", where developers can basically do whatever they want. Explore new technologies, write PoCs for features that never get scheduled for various reasons, etc.
That means I'll spend the next few days doing work on nonius :D
 
each quarter?
 
1 quarter = three months.
 
so that's 1 week every 12 weeks, so roughly 8% of the time
 
You think that's too much?
 
No, I think that's about right
I would expect >10% but that's the ballpark I guess
But I like the idea of a week long, it's certainly more productive than 1/2 day a week
However, don't you have urgent tickets to resolve during the week?
 
4:34 PM
@slaphappy I've been here three days :D
 
lol, fine, but the others?
 
I'd guess any critical stuff would need to be addressed regardless. But since their business is music production, I don't think there's gonna be a lot of those.
It's not like there are lives at stake or anything.
 
yeah, however it depends on the company
I know a lot of places where a non-urgent issue must be resolved IMMEDIATELY just because someone important cares about it
 
@Mysticial lol, "You are welcome!" is in the list
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the balance should be more like a quarter of an hour of real work, followed by the rest of the week hacking. :-)
Too bad employers don't understand the genius of this approach.
 
4:48 PM
at least they understand how to approach the genius (i.e. me)
 
@slaphappy People around here claiming they're geniuses remind me of the originally-intended name for one of Eric Clapton's albums: "The world's greatest guitarist: there's one in every crowd".
 
5:02 PM
I wonder if there's any sub-100EUR router that has self-upgrades with multiple firmware support. (Rhetorical; pretty sure there isn't anything. Routers are depressing.)
 
@sehe you mean it's become more responsive?
 
@Ven I just bought my tickets for Japan Expo.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Instead, I want a USB xDSL modem or some such thing so that I can build a router from some mini PC or such.
 
Ven
5:18 PM
@Morwenn HYPE
 
Question, if you do compute Pearson's correlation coefficient, how do you report it in text? What other parts of the correlation computation would you report in this case? Confidence interval? What else?
 
5:37 PM
Is the "C" a red herring?
 
Damn, one of my PC fans is acting up again.
I hate when that happens. I hate to have to replace shit in it.
 
I hate your face
 
@Puppy That makes two of us. :(
 
@fredoverflow Seems to me that virtually all of it is red herring to cover up the fact that there's nothing hew or interesting here at all.
 
5:55 PM
oh wait
you're the author of that blog post.
you spamming fuckwit.
5 messages moved to bin
today's entry in the "Kindly go fuck yourself" area
 
@StackedCrooked basically, but not just that :)
 
what else?
 
Ell
6:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes recently there was a router manufacturer going out of their way to enable Linux people to use their own firmware despite the FAA law. I known it's not relevant to product selection but it makes me feel less depressed
 
6:27 PM
@Ell I suspect you mean FCC rather than FAA.
 
Ell
Yea that's it :P
 
nwp
6:50 PM
it should be possible to upvote peoples' closes
 
If ptr is a bad pointer. Is it UB to do &ptr->member even if you never use it?
My guess is yes...
Internally, it's just an offset. So if you don't dereference it, nothing happens.
I guess it will fail if ptr is a pointer to a class with virtual inheritance and getting the address of member requires going through another (internal) pointer.
 
nwp
@Mysticial pretty sure yes. There is a question somewhere with struct Foo{void bar(){}}; Foo *f = nullptr; f->bar(); which is also UB even though the pointer never gets dereferenced.
 
7:08 PM
@Mysticial In C++, yes
should be fine in C
 
Oh, it's defined in C?
 
don't think so.
there's nothing requiring that the operation ptr->member is implemented by a simple constant offset.
the implementation is totally free to do whatever the fuck
 
7:32 PM
C's offsetof() macro is an ANSI C library feature found in stddef.h. It evaluates to the offset (in bytes) of a given member within a struct or union type, an expression of type size_t. The offsetof() macro takes two parameters, the first being a structure name, and the second being the name of a member within the structure. It cannot be described as a C prototype. == Implementation == The "traditional" implementation of the macro relied on the compiler being not especially picky about pointers; it obtained the offset of a member by specifying a hypothetical structure that begins at address zero...
 
@wilx too much work; this isn't for me.
I just get a router and flash custom firmware on it.
But there are DSL modems like that, I think.
 
user1804599
7:50 PM
@sehe my VM works!
 
user1804599
It evaluates the expression builtin apenkots to the string value "Aapje, kots maar!" for the correctly registered builtin apenkots. :D
 
user1804599
I'm so good at test data.
 
really?
apenkots?
 
user1804599
Apenkots is lekker.
 
ew
 
7:57 PM
Will you ever stop renaming your account and designing new languages?
 
@fredoverflow Let him. He might stumble onto something useful one day.
:)
 
Like, accidentally implement a turing-complete account name
 
user1804599
I need to
 
We're waiting
 
user1804599
because I couldn't find a suitable interpreterwritten in Go
 
user1804599
8:04 PM
@sehe Is "λxy.x and λxyz.xz(yz)" a valid account name?
 
user1804599
Because with those two terms you've got yourself a Turing-complete system.
 
Doesn't actually work. I mean, I can write /some brainfuck/ in a screen name too
 
user1804599
much harder to implement a Turing-complete system in Brainfuck
 
Ell
It's easy
Just > forever
 
user1804599
That's not Turing-complete.
 
user1804599
8:09 PM
+[>+] cannot compute everything that is computable.
 
Ell
]>[
 
user1804599
That's ill-formed.
 
Ell
I don't know brainfuck :V
Also, idk what you mean by a program being turing complete then
 
user1804599
A system (program, programming language, machine, etc) is Turing-complete if it can emulate a Turing machine, i.e. compute everything that is computable, and loop indefinitely.
 
Ell
Looping forever is emulating a turing machine
 
8:11 PM
huh
 
Ell
Right? :P
 
user1804599
No, it isn't.
 
Not really.
 
user1804599
It emulates only one particular program that a Turing machine can evaluate.
 
user1804599
It also has to be able to factorize integers into primes.
 
Ell
8:12 PM
Okay got it
Man I don't know stuff
I feel so stupid
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user1804599
Basically, it must be able to run a Lua interpreter. Then it's Turing complete, because Lua interpreters are Turing complete.
 
@Ven So, how are you going to find me in this crowd? :p
std::find(crowd, morwenn);
 
nwp
8:25 PM
@Morwenn too dry! std::find(std::begin(crowd), std::end(crowd), morwenn);
 
@nwp Please be modern and use ranges :(
 
nwp
I want to
 
Use cpp-sort, it handles ranges x)
 
nwp
does it handle finding too?
also crowd is probably something unwieldy like a array<array<person, 20>, 30> so the iterator thing doesn't work right anyways :(
 
@nwp Nah, it only sorts.
@nwp Flatten the fuck out of it! :o
array<array<person, 20>, 30> is guaranteed to have the same layout as person[30][20], so you should be able to abuse data().
 
nwp
8:31 PM
@Morwenn I do that and it seems bad
 
@Mysticial You are welcome!
 
nwp
I'm pretty sure @R.MartinhoFernandes has me ignored. It is sad thinking that the best way he thinks to deal with me is just not to. A communication fail and missed opportunity to grow as a person. Makes me question what I'm writing here and what I should be instead.
 
People who plonk are weak.
/cc @sehe
 
That sounds painful
 
Friends of Igorrr and The Algorithm :p
 
8:44 PM
@nwp maybe it's your lost opportunity. I'm not at all convinced Robot has anyone plonked
 
Too bad their colab song is one of my greatest deceptions.
 
@Morwenn friends don't wish friends pryapisms
 
Oh yeah, « pryapism » does sound awful.
I don't think it's something I'll have to fear in a near future though.
 
nwp
@sehe definitely a lost opportunity. No idea what to do about it though.
 
@nwp Don't fret it. Observe that you might not need confirmation from everyone. Observe Robot has limited time and is, generally speaking, rarely lounging at all these days.
What does it say when one particular sparse lounger chooses to (not) engage in conversations with another particular lounger?
 
nwp
8:49 PM
not engaging is different from blocking everything said
but I suppose shrug and move on is the correct action
even if it bothers me that there is a problem identified and not solved
 
@nwp Some people are just incredibly good at ignoring.
Also it's the Lounge, don't expect people to care.
 
nwp
@Morwenn there is actually a fairly good song after the initial ear rape
 
@nwp It's highly tentative that someone ignoring (or god forbid "blocking" you) is a problem
 
@nwp You learn to actually like ear rape when you start listening to this kind of music.
 
@nwp heh. I had the precise inverse reaction to that song. I was reminded of Richard Clayderman in the second part. Not a very good association in my book /cc @Morwenn
 
8:52 PM
I agree that it's not as interesting as Un druide est giboyeux lorsqu'il se prend pour un neutrino.
 
hehe dat title - and the epilepsy warning
 
If you want ear rape, Deadlock by The Algorithm feat. Igorrr is pure ear rape. There's basically nothing else.
@sehe Oh yeah, that one :D
 
Strongly disagree. Lots of Igorr fits nicely in the "listenable" category for me
 
I'm mentioning a specific song there :o
I love both Igorrr and The Algorithm, but the colab track was disappointing :(
 
@Morwenn Ah... I read "feat." as the end of 1 sentence. Ok
 

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