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5:14 PM
Girlfriend is out of town today. Might actually be able to work on amp stuff \o/
 
user895378
Also: first time seeing the new mobile chat interface. Looks great.
 
5:35 PM
@LeviMorrison Can you rephrase the voting options to "Add nullable types" and "Allow nullable types in return types only" / "Allow nullable types as parameter types"?
The phrasing right now is a bit unfortunate in that it makes Tom's question sound somewhat reasonable
 
@NikiC Maybe, but the voting is a concession I made to get Dmitry on board with my RFC.
 
@LeviMorrison Did he tell you to use those exact phrasings?
Or is it only about having an extra vote for params?
In the end doesn't really matter, as long as you don't let yourself be talked into changing the voting thresholds
 
@NikiC Not exactly. It's definite that the vote is split and that I would use hit voting options.
But I think he cares mostly about the split vote and the phrasing is what it is.
@bwoebi He has responded to my emails somewhat quickly so far, so maybe he's not inaccessible.
 
@rdlowrey So, girlfriend is actually the reason of your inaccessibility?
 
hehe
 
5:42 PM
@LeviMorrison yeah, he checks emails even when on vacation once a day at least, but typically not reachable via IRC then
@NikiC Or possibly… "Allow nullable return types": yes/no and "Allow nullable parameter types": yes/no
I think that's as clear as it could be?
 
@bwoebi The problem with that is explaining why the voting thresholds are different
 
@NikiC are they?
They shouldn't
 
They should
 
Why?
 
Everything else is biased
 
5:45 PM
!!rfcs
 
The RFC should not dictate any preference as to whether nullable types are allowed in params
 
@NikiC no … it's biased to have different thresholds
@NikiC right, that's why it should be split into two different 2/3 votes
one for params, one for return types?
It's virtually two different features even if strongly related
 
I don't agree
 
so, to be unbiased it should be twice 2/3 vote
 
5:47 PM
Say, if we add property type hints and we have previously added nullable somethings, would property type hints also support nullable types?
I would answer to that "yes", they would, without any extra voting
For the the feature we're voting on is "nullable types"
And whether they are allowed in parameters is an implementation detail we decide in a second vote
 
@NikiC yeah, unless it was explicitly said otherwise
 
@NikiC so, you want to vote on nullables on general and have a 50% vote on disallowing nullables in params?
 
void's RFC says it applies only to returns
 
@bwoebi yes.
This is how we always do these votes
E.g. from my own RFCs I remember wiki.php.net/rfc/engine_exceptions_for_php7
Which also has a 2/3 primary vote and another 1/2 vote for an implementation "detail"
You could equally argue that "changing the exception hierarchy" is a separate feature and needs its own 2/3 vote
Which is sorta true, but it would not really be a fair choice as we're biasing one option
 
@NikiC nah, not quite. It's tied to the RFC in that case.
 
5:51 PM
another option is 2/3 on nullable returns and 2/3 on nullable parameters
having a 50% vote within a 2/3 overall RFC is kinda unfair, it means one vote is riding the other's wave
 
If we change it I want "yes" and "yes" to mean full support of both parameter and return types.
 
@Andrea ^ that's the point
 
@Andrea Actually, this is not true.
Voting no on return types does impact the parameter types as well (as it stands)
Also, I think it should just be one 2/3 vote.
Notably because typed properties will want it.
Should we vote that in separately as well?
 
@LeviMorrison The typed properties RFC can choose whether it includes them with a 2/3 vote or no vote at all.
 
@Andrea @bwoebi I don't think we can reasonably decouple the votes. Just having a 2/3 vote for returns and a 2/3 vote for params means we could end up supporting nullables only for params.
And that makes no sense
 
5:54 PM
@NikiC we may introduce an one-way dependency there
 
@NikiC true…
 
@bwoebi Eh, I'd think we should support nullable types in type properties, no vote needed.
 
@bwoebi As soon as we have a one-way dependency, 2/3 is a biased vote
 
(if this RFC passes)
 
It's like doing two RFCs and just putting the other one to vote if the former succeeds
 
5:55 PM
It's not even for discussion, imo.
 
Just that we're doing the votes at the same time
 
Having portions of the type system be applicable in only certain places is just strange.
 
@LeviMorrison That's why no separate vote IMO would've been the correct way
 
I think we may be having the wrong discussion\
 
… but … Dmitry .
 
5:56 PM
I don't think there's that much opposition to parameter types, surely
 
Hey, I decided having Dmitry on my side was more important.
 
And we don't need to have a vote on it
Put nullable types to a vote, 2/3, nothing special.
If it fails, we can hold a second vote with changes.
But we don't need a second vote.
 
@Andrea Which is why I'm partially okay with how it's currently structured. I think the current vote would have both succeed.
 
@LeviMorrison Go for it, then.
 
@LeviMorrison I think both ways will have both succeed though ^^
 
5:57 PM
I suspect Tom chimed in at all because he wants only return types.
He wants to make his no vote to params count as much as possible.
 
when do you plan on putting up union types?
 
I just wanted to note "That Nikita on internals is quite right though ... Just have the wording clear and it's fine..." … until I realized that it's actually @NikiC lol…
 
@bwoebi :P
 
@NikiC To clarify: I'm actually on your side, just wanting to avoid that people begin big drama on internals fighting when we end up with something like 60% in favor of parameter nullables only
 
Is it possible to drop a client without them getting pissed?
 
6:06 PM
@bwoebi Hi, can you explain purposes of CoroutineState's nestingLevel field and this(github.com/amphp/amp/blob/master/lib/functions.php#L789) comparison when it checked to be less than 3. Why it is 3?
 
"This RFC proposes a 2/3 vote, but if that criteria is not matched at the end, the vote falls back to a 50%+1" @NikiC
 
@bwoebi Hm?
@bwoebi Is that legalese for "This is a 50%+1 vote, but we'll pretend it's really a 2/3 vote?"
 
@NikiC yes, basically :-D
@pinepain 3 is pretty arbitrary. It's just there to prevent too much recursion in nesting when()'s
and the possibility of immediately calling __coroutineSend here is just an optimization
 
@Saitama This one is old…
 
6:12 PM
Nah, it's a new one
 
nope
@Saitama seen it like half a week ago on reddit mainpage
 
:/
Alright .
Then, I shall again surf 9gag...
 
which is why you come up with shit that was on reddit half a week ago
 
Huh
 
:-D
 
6:18 PM
Before I go and report this: did anybody already see this? 3v4l.org/r4VHF
 
@Ocramius The segfault on 5.x?
 
lol, nope
Btw, seems to affect only reflection: 3v4l.org/9BipO
note that 7.0.6 output is different than 7.0.5
 
@Ocramius Hm, that means reflection must be doing an IS fetch for some reason
 
@Ocramius This may or may not be a bug :/
If reflection provides silencing as part of the contract, it's not a bug
 
6:26 PM
We'll see what comes out of it. Currently, it breaks some code here
 
"it's either a bug or a bug fix, no one is entirely sure which"
 
I might adapt to it, but meh
 
@NikiC segfaults on old versions are anyway features that you should move to a newer one.
 
Anyway, very risky topic... changing how reflection accesses code is kind-of painful. If reflection now causes two method calls (internally) for every read property, that might also be a problem
 
Can someone help me here?
0
Q: PHP get_contents() Error

user1464262I am getting following error when using PHP get_contents(): What am i missing here? It work perfectly in Local Server with XAMPP. PHP Version 5.3.29 SSL Version OpenSSL/0.9.8b Warning: file_get_contents() [function.file-get-contents]: SSL operation failed with code 1. OpenSSL Error message...

 
6:33 PM
@NikiC hmm, looks like a bug to me too TBH. At least setAccessible(true) should skip it.
 
Because, IMHO, that's the point of setAccessible, to skip it.
@Ocramius Can you please link into a single commit, the #anchor doesn't work due to diff too big
 
I'll check that in a sec
not sure when that code is triggered, but couldn't find diffs in reflection, so I suppose that's where it goes :P
@JoeWatkins ^
 
Hello can someone suggest me something here?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37084266/php-get-contents-error
 
16 mins ago, by NikiC
@Ocramius Hm, that means reflection must be doing an IS fetch for some reason
Yes, we know ;-)
 
6:40 PM
Yeh, the isset call is indeed in that block. Now I need to know why that code was added :D
 
That thing is correct, it probably just should skip the isset call on setAccessible == true
 
Lemme check if it does that without binding too...
 
@Ocramius it should
 
It's not
only with reflection ಠ_ಠ
 
… I thought that's what @NikiC changed??
 
6:45 PM
@bwoebi I don't see how setAccessible has anything to do with it
 
I'm confused
 
The problem is that what ReflectionProperty::getValue() really does is isset($obj->prop) $obj->prop : something. Previously that isset() part was skipped due to a bug
 
setAccessible is basically bindTo
 
However, the fact that Reflection does an isset-fetch in the first place may also be a bug
In which case we can drop that and all is good
Though likely it's there for a purpose
 
@NikiC eh, that seemed to be well-defined behavior (not calling __isset, and just going for a direct read)
I mean... why would it check if the property is not null?
(yes, I know isset is not just a null check)
 
6:48 PM
@NikiC Yeah, had been confused, sorry.
 
@Ocramius because of that ^^
 
@NikiC the issue is that Reflection then doesn't have a way to check for __isset() though. We're lacking a ReflectionProperty::isset() function
 
urgh... I think this will 100% break other stuff too =_=
dammit.
oh well, I'll go for beer for now.
 
@Ocramius @bwoebi So if we drop the silenced read then, naturally, accessing an unset property that does not also define __get/__isset will throw a notice
 
Which is the expected behavior (so far)
 
6:51 PM
@NikiC I think this should be expected and we shall then add an ::isset() function
afk, dinner.
 
@Ocramius it may be the expected behavior, but it's not how reflection currently works
it will silently return null instead
 
I think I actually reported bugs around ReflectionProperty#getValue(), and they got closed as invalid (expected behavior). Also in line with what @bwoebi thinks about having a ReflectionProperty#isset() method instead
 
So, should I just drop the silencing and see if anybody complains about the notice?
 
I think that would be better, yes
indeed, that could be preferable. I'll think about it over the weekend and poke you later (need to think about possible horror stories coming from it)
 
7:16 PM
As said, I'm fine as long as we'll have the isset() alternative to avoid the notice
 
7:29 PM
@Ocramius heh, looks like we both posted a summary of this discussion ^^
 
Yarp, np
 
8:07 PM
hey, question
can control flow change while making a function call in the zend VM?
or rather, will the PHP compiler ever /conditionally/ execute sending an argument?
maybe I should be obnoxious and @NikiC
 
@Andrea You mean like what it used to do for new?
 
@NikiC possibly, not familiar with that sequence
The reason I ask is that currently ELC generates fcalls like this:
fcallTargetStack.push(fun_factorial);
fcallArgumentStack.push([]);
zend_sub_function(cv_1, var_n, { type: 4, lval: 1 });
fcallArgumentStack[fcallArgumentStack.length - 1].push(cv_1);
cv_2 = fcallTargetStack.pop().apply(null, fcallArgumentStack.pop());
from:
 L6    #3     INIT_FCALL_BY_NAME      <unused>             "factorial"          <unused>
 L6    #4     SUB                     $n                   1                    @1
 L6    #5     SEND_VAL_EX             @1                   <unused>             <unused>
 L6    #6     DO_FCALL                <unused>             <unused>             @2
I'm wondering if I could do the pushing and popping inside the compiler
but that requires assuming that there's never change of control flow between INIT_FCALL and DO_FCALL
if that makes sense at all
I can't think of a case where that would happen, though, so I'll assume it won't.
 
@Ocramius So......is zend-hydrator no longer usable separately?
Doing new Zend\Hydrator\HydratorPluginManager now gives an error:
> Zend\ServiceManager\AbstractPluginManager::__construct now expects a Interop\Container\ContainerInterface instance representing the parent container; please update your code
 
@Andrea what does "Pushing and popping inside the compiler" mean?
But yes, apart from the case of ZEND_NEW there is no conditional pushing of arguments
 
@PeeHaa done. Also ftr I renamed HttpClient (the plugin) to HttpRequester because it caused some kind of weird namespacing issue somehow, where the order in which things were loaded became significant
I don't really get what caused it but renaming it fixed it so I left it at that
 
8:16 PM
@NikiC I mean that my compiler to JS would push the arguments (or rather their sources) onto a stack at compile time, and then spit out a function call statement once it gets to DO_FCALL
 
@Andrea I don't see how that's supposed to work
the same stack slots may be reused by multiple calls
and may have different sources
right?
 
yeah, that's true
I mean, I'd assign the values to temporary variables first
I'd rewrite the JS to something like:
 
@PeeHaa important note: composer install is required and the config file format has changed slightly (plugins are loaded from the config rather than a list in the bootstrap, and rooms/openid spec allows for multiple entries. The config.sample has been updated accordingly though, it will only take a second to modify the live config file
 
__target = fun_factorial;
zend_sub_function(cv_1, var_n, { type: 4, lval: 1 });
__arg1 = cv_1;
cv_2 = __target(cv_1);
the stack, as such, has been eliminated, it's all temporaries now
 
@Andrea so you'd require that arguments are stored in certain temporaries? That should work, yes
 
8:20 PM
ok, good ^^
 
Though I wouldn't bother ;)
 
ELC is a terrible idea anyway, but I still want to make it more efficient :p
The entire idea can be summed up as “Andrea is too lazy to write her own compiler”
 
You still need the send opcodes to handle referenc-y stuff, so you're not saving anything really
 
quite possibly
private $fcallArgumentStackStack;
 
@Andrea private $fcallArgumentStackStackStack;
 
8:28 PM
@NikiC it's stacks all the way down
if (count($this->array) <= 0) {
C programming made me too defensive?
 
@Andrea Maybe a bug in PHP results in overflow, who knows
 
@NikiC I wouldn't be surprised
 
@Andrea What do you call the children in a tree, but not the direct children but also more levels down?
"Descendants" doesn't sound quite right in technical context
 
it's used in technical contexts, e.g. xpath
 
@NikiC I think this probably came up somewhere when I studied syntax, but I can't remember what it's called ^^
@NikiC also, do you mean “not just”?
 
8:34 PM
@Saitama wtf
> xdebug.overload_var_dump
Type: boolean, Default value: 2
(src)
 
@PaulCrovella "nodes that are both descendants of the immediate dominator and ancestors of the predecessors" sounds so weird to me
 
8:47 PM
$fcallInfo = $this->fcallInfoStack->pop();
$this->emitLineBegin('fcall' . $fcallInfo['number'] . 'Argument' . $fallInfo['argumentCount'] . ' = ');
$this->compileOperandAsRvalue($op1);
$this->emitLineEnd(';');
$fcallInfo['argumentCount']++;
$this->fcallInfoStack->push($fcallInfo);
this made sense in my head
$ sudo gdb --args ~/Projects/2014/PHP/php-src/sapi/cli/php src/main.php -inspector test.php
Password:
GNU gdb (GDB) 7.10.1
Copyright (C) 2015 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "x86_64-apple-darwin15.2.0".
Type "show configuration" for configuration details.
@Joe ^
not sure why I only get this segfault now
 
@DaveRandom kk
 
what the shit
fucking
heisenbug
adds debug printfs bug disappears
 
wth vim screws up pasting yaml
 
var var_0 = { type: 0 };
fcall0Target = php_var_dump;
fcall1Target = fun_factorial;
fcall1Argument0 = { type: 4, lval: 7 };
var_0 = fcall1Target(fcall1Argument0);
fcall0Argument0 = var_0;
fcall1Target = fun_factorial;
fcall1Argument0 = { type: 4, lval: 15 };
var_0 = fcall1Target(fcall1Argument0);
fcall0Argument1 = var_0;
var_0 = fcall0Target(fcall0Argument0, fcall0Argument1);
return { type: 4, lval: 1 };
IT WORKS???
oh shit no, I need to declare the variables first
 
9:03 PM
@Andrea happens sometimes that adding printf()s alters pointer locations malloc() will return and only valgrind gets to see it now.
 
@bwoebi heh
 
@Andrea Yeah, these things hiding bugs can be annoying
 
@PeeHaa also I fixed the travis build, disabled xdebug
 
Yeah was totally lost wth that was
> Could not make Room11\Jeeves\Chat\Room\Authenticator: Class Room11\OpenId\Authenticator does not exist
 
WTF @samsung?! #privacy https://t.co/4ckC2lPuvC
 
9:05 PM
@PeeHaa composer install...
 
...
I blame booze fwiw
 
I separated it out because it seemed reusable
Same for the mutex stuff and the dom util functions
 
!!version
 
winner :-)
 
9:07 PM
yay
BTW can't we just disable xdebug entirely on travis somehow?
 
$ node test.js
int(5040)
float(1307674368000)
yay it still works
 
So basically, that's a couple of thousand LoC merged with no visible behaviour change :-P
 
yet ;)
 
@PeeHaa see that commit pointer
 
god the output of ELC is utter garbage
but garbage is fine, Google Closure Compiler can clean it up :3
 
9:08 PM
@DaveRandom Yeah, but that's just the vardump overloading
 
no, that commit is a fix of that crappy approach
It's "fixing the fix"
 
> phpenv config-rm xdebug.ini
 
ooh
the output of ELC being slightly less garbage now means Closure Compiler can do inlining :D
 
huh now I'm, confused :P
 
9:13 PM
either you are looking at the wrong commit or reading the left hand side of the diff
 
Does anyone know a good library for finding elements in decoded JSON / any array / object structure. Searching for something like XPath, just for array structures. What I already found is github.com/Shudrum/ArrayFinder
 
@DaveRandom Yeah a bit of both :D
 
I'm reinveinting openssh
 
no wait it can't, Closure Compiler isn't sophisticated enough, darn
 
9:16 PM
I think it converts it to XML internally though, which is going to be a pretty expensive approach
@FlorianMargaine Can't you reinvent openssl? It's a lot more broken...
 
@DaveRandom heh
not reinveinting the crypto bit
 
Well yes I assume you aren't reinventing the whole of SSH :-P
 
I'm not that insane
just grabbing the tty bit
 
!!xkcd standards
 
9:18 PM
also that ^
 
@kelunik do you need complex expressions, or basic look-for-a-thing-named-foo?
 
@PeeHaa You 30+ year old german shitpot!
Also,
 
How dare you call him that!
I mean, really.
german
 
:D
 
@PaulCrovella Probably more the basic thing. Rewriting a legacy app using regex for all the things.
 
9:25 PM
lol
 
yipes
@kelunik well, this is a json pull parser I wrote with an api modeled on xmlreader. you can use $reader->read("foo") to do a depth-first traversal to the next node named foo then $reader->getValue() to retrieve it
it was intended for large json documents that didn't fit properly in memory when decoded at once, the but api also makes it nice for this use
 
> large json documents that didn't fit properly in memory
wth were you doing?
 
fucking around with some huge data dumps.. some government open data stuff and the like
it does tree building on-demand when you use getValue on an "object" or array, so memory use won't be too much more than the subtree(s) you're specifically looking for
 
Neo
9:56 PM
Hello, any Laravel users in there :) ?
 
that star means "no", in case you were wondering
 
Neo
I'm getting this error message with Laravel: PDOException in Connector.php line 55:
SQLSTATE[HY000] [1045] Acc�s refus� pour l'utilisateur: 'root'@'@localhost' (mot de passe: OUI)
In the .env file, I set username and password to "root"
I'm using wampserver/mysql
Anyone have an idea? :)
 
there's an extra @ in there for one thing
 
That's wierd
That's come from MySQL's rDNS lookup
 
@Neo it has nothing to do with Laravel
the problem is caused by bad configuration
 
Neo
10:00 PM
How can I solve it?
 
Either the password is wrong for root when accessed from localhost, or there is no localhost entry, or there is something strange going on with your MySQL config such that the extra @ is causing it not to match
 
@Neo Wow, localized MySQL error messages are a thing?
 
I bet you can't define the charset though
 
Neo
@NikiC What?
 
@NikiC MySQL is awful, I thought we had established this
 
10:04 PM
@Andrea Well, yes, but there is awful and then there's throwing error messages in French.
3
 
Neo
@NikiC And there is shut up if you don't wanna help
 
lol
 
^^
 
Neo
Problem solved, au revoir :)
 
@NikiC Yes. Also on typical Linux Distros…
 
10:08 PM
Nothing against French. I learned five minutes ago that "French spacing" is what we call not putting two spaces after the end of a sentence. Which is certainly a positive development.
 
@NikiC the weirdest thing about French for me is the half-space before the question mark
 
[Whenever I encounter these it's ugh but I don't switch languages because it's a little funny and I'm lazy^^]
 
@bwoebi Who, as a developer, installs a localized distro?
 
@MadaraUchiha so... something odd happened with that bounty... stackoverflow.com/users/1710543/cv-pls (+100 association bonus at the some moment for no apparent reason?)
 
@NikiC don't ask me … I have (had) access to some servers with localized env…
 
10:11 PM
PHP reddit is talking about learning operators using flash cards...
 
@NikiC pfffft
 
@Andrea Flash cards for argument order sounds much more useful :P
 
@NikiC That read weirdly as I didn't know what a flash card is … I thought something with a little SD card (flash storage) …
@NikiC Meh. Trial and error!
 
@bwoebi Meh. php.net/strpos
 
named arguments?
 
10:17 PM
Say one thing for PHP, say it has great doc urls
3
 
@NikiC Too much work to switch windows and go to browser
 
of course, PHP hates the programmer, so we'd probably manage to screw that up too
 
That approach would never work with MSDN documentation ^^
 
@NikiC but well, usually the value you work on (except it's variadic) is first … the only weird function is in_array(). [Remember the failed in operator?]
 
@NikiC Actually it does in a lot of cases (albeit longer), but their canonicals are the ridiculous v{loads of numbers}.aspx pages
 
10:20 PM
@bwoebi You mean to say that's it always like [this], apart from [exception], unless you hit [exception of exception]?
I remember there's some rule about string functions and array functions which basically works unless it doesn't work.
 
@NikiC Actually, in_array is not an exception of the exception, but just an exception
(That's also why I typically get in_array wrong, but there at least the two parameters usually are of different type, so I get a warning...)
 
@bwoebi Isn't in_array just ordered like in would be?
 
yes, it is
but it's reverse to all the other functions
which makes it weird
 
@NikiC e.g. msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/… msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.collections.generic etc - whether that works outside .net I don't know
It's hit and miss anyway, I have no idea what the generics url syntax is for a start
 
@DaveRandom that's ... much better than expected. But also not exactly handy for a quick lookup. At that point going through google is faster
 
10:25 PM
A thing I don't understand is why the hell array_filter has flags to pass the key optionally as second argument … PHP allows to pass more args than required … why…
 
@DaveRandom by design. you get the bonus for every site in the association.. this explains it
 
@bwoebi BC with internal functions?
It was added after the fact by ... someone in here
 
@NikiC Except it isn't, because you have to wade through the top 5 google hits which find the same function name in VB6, VBA, T-SQL, .net and whatever else they felt like documenting separately that day
 
@DaveRandom True dat
 
@NikiC that's true, but it's weird that we emit a warning on internal funcs…
maybe we should lift that sometime…
 
10:28 PM
@bwoebi Maybe ...
I was convinced for a time that we should restrict user calls instead, but nowadays...
 
msdn is apparently trying to fix things, fwiw arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/…
 
@NikiC Why did you change your mind?
 
@bwoebi Basically that case. Requiring precise function signatures makes passing optional extra information to callbacks impossible (or at least, has bad UX)
Also can't add that extra information at a later time without breaking BC
 
@PaulCrovella But there's no associations, it's only got an SO account. I wanted to push the rep past 200 to be able to get the assoc bonus on other sites so it automagically be able to talk and own rooms on other network sites, but there aren't any associations yet...
 
@NikiC ah … yea :-)
 
10:33 PM
@DaveRandom sure there is, it's on mathematics.se too.. see under communities stackoverflow.com/users/1710543/cv-pls
 
Oh that's odd
I must have accidentally created that with Jeeves while testing stuff :-S
 
Still, why should it get an assoc bonus for that? It doesn't have 100 rep there...
@PaulCrovella lol wtf
 
doesn't have to have 200 rep elsewhere. if you've got it with any associated site you get the bonus on all associated sites.
 
Yeh I still don't get why it would get it on SO (that's the only account that had enough rep to give the bonus to other sites, why should I get extra rep on that account?) but whatever
 
10:40 PM
if you'd like to give it back maybe you can bounty a community wiki answer somewhere
 
I'm fine with it staying there if it's legit :-P
Good to have a decent buffer to avoid dropping below 200 if someone goes crazy and starts DVing or something
 
I had an 85k user do that to me just recently. Only a few to stay under the reversal radar, so didn't lose much. But shit man, folk get weird here.
 
11:19 PM
@PaulCrovella Sup?
 
@MadaraUchiha oh right. nevermind, I ran out of fucks to give about it
 
gotcha
 
Wes
11:46 PM
One of our engineers just said he wants us to build a SOAP API next. UPDATE: One of our former engineers.
finally rain stopped. a week, continuously raining, not even the titanic saw that much water
 
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