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2:00 PM
+1
I mean Nokia was sh*t... but damn these startups are even sh*ttier :D
 
user559633
If you're not eating at mcdonalds and washing your lardy body with pepsi-flavored chemical spray, you're not doing it right
 
That was relevant.
 
user559633
i love that in startups, the only people having fun are marketing and administrivia
 
@AnttiHaapala I err somehow feel that'd make you unsuitable to be a mod? :p
 
2:02 PM
@JonClements wasn't that basically what you were saying above :d
 
user559633
first antti came for the rubyists, and i did not speak out, because i was not a rubyist
 
@tristan ive got an idea for a startup just need coder to take it to, the Finnish line you up for equity?
 
@tristan starred, paraphrasing one of my fav quotes.
 
(although - for next elections - I'd encourage everyone here to run - vaultah did extremely well given it was his first)
 
user559633
non-technical founder with an idea for a business that will take on linkedin. just need one or two coders to complete
 
2:04 PM
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
I just want to make a search engine that's better than Google, how hard can it be?
I came up with the idea, and that's the real hard part, so I'm keeping 95% of the equity.
 
That makes no sense. I'm not any of those 3 so I'd be there to not speak out for you.
 
    „Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.
    Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
    Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
    Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.“[28]
let's appreciate the original
 
Such a poetic language.
 
@Ffisegydd well, I've been relegated from BF to competing with a PT and d3.js... so not expecting much - will still be around for you though buddy! :0
translate: Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist. Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat. Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter. Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
bah... it's either been disabled from non-mod rooms or multi line stuff
translate: bonjour
(from French) Hello
 
2:07 PM
hmm :D
is there really such a thing?
am I in candid camera
 
translate: bore dda
(from Welsh) Good morning
:O
 
translate: Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist. Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat. Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter. Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
(from German) When the Nazis came for the Communists, I have been silent; I was not a Communist, Yes. When they imprisoned the Social Democrats, I have been silent; I was so not a Social Democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I have been silent; I was so not a trade unionist. When they came for me, there was nobody left who could protest.
@Ffisegydd you didn't know about that before?
 
NO!?
 
translate: j't'aime
I knew SO couldn't recognize love!
 
user559633
RST is annoying.
 
2:10 PM
translate: je t'aime
 
translate: torilla tavataan
 
user559633
translate: suka
 
user559633
translate: trolled
 
Heh. Yeah I manually pasted my translation, it's mods only.
 
translate: j't'aime
(from French) I love you
 
user559633
2:10 PM
:O
 
the question is: why
 
DSM
translate: 感動した
 
lol doesn't work
out of credits
 
user559633
because SO devs aren't given a clear roadmap, obviously
 
translate: 感動した
(from Japanese) Impressed by
 
DSM
2:11 PM
Bad translation, but close enough. :-)
Is the idea that you might have to deal with non-English-speaking users?
 
translate: ಎಲೆಕೋಸು
 
Presumably.
 
translate: ಎಲೆಕೋಸು
 
translate: ಠ_ಠ
 
Canadian not supported :D @BhargavRao ^
 
DSM
2:13 PM
Good thing davidism's stepped away. This is usually the point where he shouts "take it to the sandbox!"
 
Cabbage is pronounced Elekōsu in Canadian.
 
@DSM I'm not entirely sure - until late last year - I didn't even realise it existed as an option outside the private mod room
 
sounds like a Japanese saying "Election"
@JonClements so can you translate to their language?
 
DSM
Oooh, good question.
 
umm... not sure
 
2:14 PM
meta.se seems to suggest that it'd be possible
 
translate fr: hello
probably some syntax available - just not sure - still a noob mod - I think generally it's available so we can just see if something is generally offensive/abusive send in something else we're not a native understander of...
 
DSM
I vaguely remember someone posting the equivalent of the seven words you can't say in Chinese once.
 
cabbage ಎಲೆಕೋಸು
 
there's also (I think) some other mod-only chat thingies - but I don't recall them right now
 
@AnttiHaapala Yep, (Stating that outta context, readin the trans now :P)
 
2:22 PM
@BhargavRao youtube.com/watch?v=Cnrnvq5gtto watched some Canadian TV now, suddenly I realized that I can understand Canadian :D:D:D
was speaking English :d
 
@AnttiHaapala Heh, There are like 20 other channels and you find the worst tv channel :D
 
it was the first result from youtube. I just wanted to hear some Canadian
 
Lol, How does it sound like?
 
Sorry to the team I couldn't participate in our last general meeting - only came to it in the end... :(
 
user559633
you don't need to apologize
 
2:30 PM
Time to bring out the Sombrero of Repentance.
 
user559633
 
TIL: xargs -P
 
2:38 PM
umm... why would you call a child that?
 
DSM
I wonder what on Earth this guy is doing to screw up.
 
I know Iceland has strict rules on naming your children
 
@JonClements Finland as well.
which is funny with 2 official languages:
Kari in Finnish is boy's name, and girl's name in Swedish.
 
I'm not against any parent naming their child with whatever
that's their right
 
and you're not to give a boy's name to a girl, or a girl's name to a boy.
 
2:40 PM
Jean is a guy's name in french, and girl's name in english. you get both in Quebec. French is the primary language, but officially bilingual
 
it's also the child's right to change it at 18 (or whatever - it's 18 in this country - to deed poll their name)
 
@Antti Haapala is the name of a food here
 
@JonClements Eh. If the child goes through 18 years of hell for being called "Princess Polkadot" then I think the parent is to blame.
 
@idjaw yup - "Kim", "Mel", "Jean" etc...
 
@idjaw french? Jean is male afaik...
 
DSM
2:42 PM
@idjaw: did you swap those?
 
haha
wow
thanks for that guys. Edit right in time
 
They have a prerogative to do their best for the child, and giving them a horrific name is not doing that.
 
@DSM I stupidly did, yes.
:)
 
DSM
Am I weird for thinking that Cyan would be a decent name for a kid? Apart from the inevitable "how do you spell that", but I have to spell my last name all the time and it's not even that uncommon.
 
user559633
is canadian tuxedo also boy's name?
 
2:43 PM
 
Cya N \o
 
@DSM "what does it mean?" "it is short for Cyanide"
 
@DSM If you were a Final Fantasy fan, yes. :)
 
FFIX! WOO!
 
@DSM I sometimes get my name spelt "Clemence" - which is actually understandable
 
2:44 PM
Clemence Clements? Makes no sense. Sounds nothing like Jon!
 
Does Jon rhyme with yawn?
 
No.
 
DSM
.. it does for me..
 
since I'm a "Jonathan" - had a weird few interesting ways of putting that - I've counted 17 in my lookup database of forenames
 
I got Washington for my name once...I still don't understand that
 
2:46 PM
there's a "Jhonoton" somewhere out there...
 
Think of the word "on" and then add a very short "juh" to the start.
 
my actual name, for those that don't know is "idjaw"[::-1]
 
@idjaw wajdi?
 
It's more [Jahn] as opposed to [Jawn].
 
(going by what actual records I have to the ER)
 
2:47 PM
@BhargavRao yup
 
DSM
I really have different vowels from you lot. For me, "on", "Jon", "yawn", "lawn" all have the same sound.
 
@DSM That sounds like a stripper name.
 
C.mon
 
I was tempted quite a while back to deed-poll my name from "Jonathan" to just "Jon"
 
DSM
Ehh, I like having a long name for formal purposes and a short one for daily use.
 
2:49 PM
I'm enjoying how my name really gives people trouble at first when they try to say it.
It use to bug me. But I've learned to have fun with it
 
DSM
D is silent, right?
 
not at all
:)
 
Is it phonetic?
 
DSM
?! Then I guess I'm one of the people who would have screwed it up!
 
99% of people do
the 1% are the ones I meet that knew the name already
 
DSM
2:51 PM
(searches "how to pronounce names" websites..)
 
I just found one on youtube that did not get it. Let me see if I can find a good one
 
however, it'd be disrespect (I think at least) - to do that... I can legally do that, but umm... I think my proper name needs to be used for contracts and to hold the name my mother gave me etc...
 
there we go
play those
those are it
I go mostly by the second recording
the third one is more closer to its language of origin, which my parents call me by
 
[wɑd͡ʒ-diː].
Okay, so I had it right in my head. :D
 
it is so funny to read the IPA for Finnish names
 
2:54 PM
rhubarb guys, I'll catch up later. Have some work.
 
rbrb @BhargavRao
@Morgan'Venti'Thrappuccino nice! :)
 
DSM
In my head I've been saying eye-dee-jaw.
 
@AnttiHaapala I can only imagine.
 
I'm really bad at writing out pronunciations
idge-jaw
 
If my name ever would have a pronunciation key in wikipedia, they'd write [antːi kalevi haːpala]
 
2:56 PM
or idge-aw I think would be better. the i as if you were saying ill.
a lot of people at work just call me "waj"
like "Raj"
 
@AnttiHaapala That's not that bad.
 
Finnish is almost like IPA. there are like 3 exceptions to pronunciation... or 2.
 
I would have gone with that pronunciation of Wajdi also.
 
Anybody feel like casting a reopen vote? I've managed to turn this pretty awful question (see the edit history) into something fairly decent, and I can answer it succinctly by simply commenting out 4 lines of code in one of Sublime's system files.
-1
Q: How to remove the Windows PATH from a Sublime Text 3 Python build error?

JimmyI am using Python 3 on Sublime Text 3 (win8.1 64bit). When I write some code and then build, if there is an error, the Windows PATH is displayed as part of the error. How do I remove the Windows PATH on Sublime Text 3 output when there is an error? I wont to remove ==> I want to erase.

 
What do you guys think, is it better to release major versions in the same package, or to split it up like "jinja" and "jinja2"? github.com/pallets/meta/issues/10#issuecomment-209488854
(preferrably respond here, not there)
 
3:13 PM
I completely agree with you. I hate having to remember if I need package or package2 or package^n. Especially with pip's ability to install a specific version.
 
Personally, I think releasing v.2 as jinja2 was a dumb idea, unless it was a fork (I don't know the history of that particular package). Same thing with beautifulsoup4. Are we someday going to have to deal with numpy2 and matplotlib2 and so on?
 
DSM
I'd be inclined to avoid splitting the packages unless it would demonstrably cause huge headaches in the wild. And even so, at least it concentrates the headaches in a single location.
 
I vaguely recall downloading some library or another and spending an hour trying to figure out why half the examples in the documentation didn't work and it turned out I installed TrozFrobber instead of TrozFrobber2.
Now I remember. It was beautifulsoup.
 
Yup, I had that same issue.
 
Agreed.
 
3:17 PM
It wouldn't have been nearly as much of an issue if they were consistently numbered. But with no additional context how am I supposed to know which of "beautifulsoup" and "bs4" is most up-to-date?
 
jinja2 had breaking changes, so they made a different package to force people to consciously update. But like I said they could have done that in setup.py without the separate package.
I had forgotten about beautifulsoup4, which has the added bonus of being one of those packages where the package name is different from the import name
 
I gave you a thumb up because I believe in you.
 
thumbs up are good :-) I just didn't want to seem like I was trying to pile people on
 
DSM
A perfectly reasonable wish.
 
I really like the GitHub reactions feature. Now they just need the ability to convert contentless comments to reactions.
 
3:23 PM
Need more violent reactions.
Pair of concrete shoes. A garrote. An axe.
 
FizzyHub - The only reaction is a bad reaction.
 
eevee wrote a good article/rant about emoji: eev.ee/blog/2016/04/12/apple-did-not-invent-emoji
which loosely ties in with reactions
 
@idjaw: I think you'll enjoy this: Hey Joe performed by Latvian all-girl band Red Bee. Also check out their cover of The Pussycat Dolls song Don't Cha. The guitarist is Antra Lante; she also has some solo clips on YouTube, but the sound and energy is better on the Red Bee clips.
 
3:38 PM
@PM2Ring great track! Thanks for sharing.
 
I love their energy. The singer, Indra, is a bit over-the-top, but she manages to keep it together. :)
 
I didn't even bother looking at the video. :) Just listening while I hack away
 
And now for something completely different. Some hard-driving straight-ahead jazz from vocal gymnast extraordinaire, Rachelle Ferrell: Don't Waste Your Time.
 
Anonymous
Guys, how do you define a mid-level python developer? Are there topics a python developer must be familiar with, to be considered an intermediate developer?
 
Anonymous
@JonClements Could you unfreeze the AJAX room for me? Thanks.
 
3:53 PM
@samayo umm - give me a reason to do so?
 
how does one get 'frozen' from a room?
is that like an ultra-kick-ban?
 
DSM
Not frozen from a room, the room was frozen for inactivity.
 
Anonymous
@JonClements Because you are a mod, and that is what you do!? help us?
 
Anonymous
Yeah, It was my room I created ... but it got closed to do low activity.
 
what's the purpose of an ajax room?
 
3:55 PM
The programming discipline is so hilariously multidimensional that I've always found it effectively meaningless to apply a scalar value like "mid-level" to its aherents
 
Anonymous
@idjaw Talk about ajax ..
 
@idjaw like rec.sopython because everyone is too busy to discuss sopython game night. :P
 
Anonymous
Vanilla ajax, as opposed to jQuery..
 
DSM
Or not talk about ajax, as seems to be the case.
 
Anonymous
:)
 
3:56 PM
sopython game night?
 
@samayo indeed.... if it's been frozen, there's reason for that - and if you can't give me justiable reasons or any commitment to make it won't be frozen in the future?
 
Time to start a petition :-P
Only half joking.
 
@poke it's too bad you're so far ahead. Scheduling a game night would be so much fun. But I wouldn't be able to partake until at least 8/9PM EST
 
Anonymous
@JonClements I'll keep it active I promise, I will write words, I know words, I have the best words.
 
DSM
Looking at the history of that room over the last year I'm doubtful it's going to take off.
 
Anonymous
3:59 PM
@Kevin I normally don't like those terms myself, specially "best" or "expert", but I would like to set myself some goals while I learn python, and it would nice to know where I am.
 
@samayo Youtube "Intermediate tutorials" Will give you a basic idea of where you stand if you know all that stuff or dont or in the proccess
 
Reminds me of the big rubric of many different sub-specialties of programming that you could rate yourself from 1-5 on. Things like databases, security, etc. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
@samayo let's have a privte chat maybe?
 
@Kevin yep. :)
rating yourself on some undefined scale is so much fun!
 
4:04 PM
IMO the only thing that's good for is inducing panic attacks via impostor syndrome.
 
well said
 
user559633
did anyone else watch the talk at pycon 2016 about the imposter syndrome? it was pretty good
 
I haven't. And perfect timing
it's lunch time. Video-watching time
......
I....I'm going for a walk.
 
@idjaw hint: pycon isn't until June
 
@davidism Yeah........that's what my ..... was for....I failed....failed hard.
 
4:07 PM
Is it a rickroll. Yep, it's a rickroll.
 
user559633
jk, sorry. it was at pycon 2015
 
Never trust a tristan
 
I got a two in one fail.
it hurts so bad
 
I even warned you
 
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, don't, uh, don't get fooled again.
 
user559633
4:09 PM
alright, sorry. it was actually at a rubycon
 
For some reason rubyists don't strike me as the type that would suffer from impostor syndrome.
 
@idjaw Another one of those yamming lists of single item dicts. Grrr.
 
Maybe I think of them as SF hipster types, which are immune to all forms of introspection.
 
DSM
How did this get upvoted twice?
 
Sometimes I'll snap-upvote any post that uses complete sentences.
I didn't this time, but sometimes I do.
 
DSM
4:12 PM
"I would like modifications to my script so that it combines all the .csv files." "Have you considered hiring a programmer? That's the sort of thing they do, in exchange for money."
 
(Hmm, not sure if "snap-verb" is a term that's used outside of the Magic: The Gathering community, or if it can be understood as "to verb very quickly without requiring conscious thought" from context)
 
user559633
shh shh
 
@PM2Ring And it doesn't even make sense. Understandably, there is a language barrier going on. But, does it kill you to stick around and fix things if people don't get what you're trying to say? ergh...
 
DSM
I got it from context. Snap-reply, snap-reaction, etc.
 
user559633
did you know that "snapshot" comes from hunting? as in "shot quickly with a gun?"
 
user559633
4:15 PM
i mean, FYI your information, but maybe next time you should add a trigger warning
 
DSM
I want to google to see if it's true but half of me thinks you've rigged it so if I search for "snapshot" I'll get Rick Astley.
 
$100,000 of SEO consultations just for one joke. Dedication.
 
user559633
updates effective_training_methods_sopython2016.xls
 
@DSM The key word in that question is "apparently". IOW, the OP didn't write the script & probably isn't a coder.
it really cannot perform infinite recursive loops I guess programming language designers would be more inclined to provide that kind of capability if programming language users were happy to wait for such recursive loops to finish. — High Performance Mark 9 mins ago
:-)
 
Serioustalk: I really would like it if Python could do tail recursion optimization.
If only so I could stop telling newbies that else: print("try again"); main() inside their main method is a bad idea
 
DSM
4:30 PM
It would still be a bad idea.
 
True, but it goes below the threshold of badness where I care enough to warn them.
 
I love questions where you ask the OP what they've tried so far and they respond back with this:
def my_needed_function():
    pass
my_needed_function()
 
DSM
That's choice.
 
Me trying to decide if that counts as "showed effort":
 
@Kevin OTOH, then it'd be even harder to convince them that it's bad design.
 
Whenever I tell OP "Your program will crash if the user enters incorrect input more than 999 times". I expect they're thinking "...So?" but are too polite to say it
 
@QuestionC gold.
 
Every Bridge Builder gif is the same joke, and it's funny every time.
 
DSM
I can no longer remember my life before seeing that gif.
 
Persistence of identity was not in the requirements, sorry it's a feature.
 
4:44 PM
any unittest lovers here wanna look over an answer I just provided that I'm contemplating deleting? I think I'm right. But at the same time, what OP is trying to do seems a bit odd, which makes me think my answer is not what they are looking for.
 
If we're posting Bridge Builder GIFs, here are my tests
 
@OrangeFlash81 so close!!! haha
 
Just found on Hacker News, this looks seriously useful
And if it becomes popular, we might get less trivial questions
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36629247/is-sumsum-valid-in-c
 
In the video on the front page of that link: "Left padding is so complicated that I've put it into its own file" :D
 
wim
4:59 PM
s/useful/annoying
 
@OrangeFlash81 I see Notepad isn't supported. Veto.
 
DSM
The example uses Python 2. Denied.
But I can see how that could be useful when working with a new library.
 
user559633
@OrangeFlash81 what game is that?
 
user559633
5:14 PM
[i googled bridge builder, but can't find one that looks like that]
 
Yea, I just realised BB is 2d, or at least was back when I played it.
 
I'm re-visiting an awesome movie I saw a while back tonight. Anyone else see it?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0430651/
 
@idjaw It sounds like four rooms.
 
haven't actually seen four rooms
 
Someone commented on a question I answered saying "maybe you should delete this Q, it's pretty trivial" and I'm all like nooo my meal ticket
How about I get my checkmark and we let the post gently sink into obscurity... I like that better.
 
5:28 PM
@tristan It's Poly Bridge
 
DSM
Clicked on a link to another film and read "Meanwhile, Yoshiko's daughter Sachiko is mainly concerned with why she seems to be followed around everywhere by a giant version of herself." Which seems a reasonable enough thing to be concerned about.
 
Sounds very Junji Ito-esque.
Actually come to think of it I think he did write a manga where people were being stalked by supernatural balloons bearing their likenesses.
Yep, it wasn't just a fever dream of mine.
 
A very reasonable question. I would have just been concerned with why there were supernatural balloons at all.
 
Any puzzle nuts out there. Someone just sent this to me. Trying to figure it out:

http://www.themastertheorem.com/theorems/8-bit-classics
 
DSM
@idjaw: wut?
 
5:35 PM
Junji Ito isn't real big on explaining why things happen.
Sometimes angry balloons people try to hang you, and sometimes you turn into a snail person because you thought about spirals too much. Such is life.
 
@DSM exactly. I have no idea either....
But apparently there is some kind solution in there
 
DSM
Nope. I'm off to visit Canada's largest indoor Asian mall. I'm not going to be nerd-sniped into becoming one of these puzzle types. That's an addiction it takes years to recover from.
 
good on you. Go out there and get some durian.
I really should try it. Apparently it tastes good.
 
@idjaw I got it after looking at two of the hints. hover for spoilers
 
user559633
@OrangeFlash81 thanks
 
Hey guys, I am trying to create something like the first graph, with a pandas DataFrame that's grouped with two keys ('A' and 'B') http://i.stack.imgur.com/8N5YA.png using matplotlib. I attempted to do the following, to no avail. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

df2 = xl.groupby([alpha,beta]).median()
dfu = df2.unstack(alpha)
fig, axes = plt.subplots(2,1)
dfu.plot(ax=axes[0], kind='bar')
plt.show()
 
So the answer is hover for spoilers
 
I couldn't figure out the pacman one.
good on you Kevin. I needed all three hints. =/
actually the third one isn't even a hint
it's telling you what to do. So I felt kinda dumb :P
 
It's easier to identify the patterns if you assume that each number encodes something in the ASCII lowercase letter range, so they all start with "011"
The pac man one is a bit subtler than the other ones IMO, it's hover for spoilers
 
yeah, once I got the third hint, I had it, the pacman one had me, because I was looking at it on a smaller screen..so didn't see it.
 
6:00 PM
Hey all, so I'm storing some modified datetimefields for some auditing objects in Django, but for some reason datetime.datetime.now() is returning an hour off of the current time. I'm assuming this is a timezone based thing, but I also know messing with Timezones is a bad idea. Any advice?
 
Wild guess: your server is hosted in a different time zone than the computer you're using now.
 
I'm running this locally =/
 
If I was in your situation I'd just throw up my hands and use Unix timestamps for everything. But I have a low tolerance for this kind of thing.
 
So do I but I'm kinda stuck figuring it out. Client request.
But I also cant spend a ton of time on it because of budget reasons.
 
UTC FTW.
 
6:31 PM
@Nexion never use datetime.now, always use datetime.utcnow() and work with utc except when displaying
I'm pretty sure django has their own now function that adds the utc zone to the naive result from utcnow.
 
> Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so.
 
6:50 PM
Man, you mean the excellent Caribbean food I had for lunch today was virtual? It did taste good..
Didn't realise FB virtual reality tech had come this far already! :-D
 
 
edited question is a duplicate of the link in the comment
Thanks @BhargavRao
 
@davidism Np, saw that a dupe got re-opened when I refreshed the page, Saw your comment and then hammered it :-)
 
Does anyone remember what plugin I wanted to install for PyCharm? Anyone?
I'm going old and senile.
 
Yeah, it was the one that strips out "..." and ">>>" from REPL copy-pastes so you can test them in your own environment
Wait, I'm confusing you for me again.
 

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