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12:00 PM
@Kyll duh, thx
 
You were the one asking me to PR that IIRC
 
How can you quickly import all auto comments?
 
@Ferrybig Define "quickly"
 
Sam
@Kyll Opposite of "slowly."
 
I don't think you can one-shot import them all with a button or something
 
12:02 PM
Without going thru all files, clicking raw and copying it into the list of comments
 
@Ferrybig I always copy and past.. Hi : )
 
@Sam Define "slowly". "slowly" like Closey?
 
@Ferrybig Can you click faster then? ^^'
 
@PetterFriberg Hiya
 
Sam
@Tunaki Yeah, but without the coffee and waffles.
@PetterFriberg Hiya
 
12:03 PM
Makes sense.
 
@Tushar I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
If all the comments where in the same file, I could use the auto-import option of auto-coments
 
but wait, it depends on the site
 
@Ferrybig Time to automate the build of this repo then =p
 
Tushar passed a audit!
 
12:05 PM
are you sure you can auto-import all comments even for different site at the same time?
 
@Tunaki There is a remote button that you can use with the auto comments, it features auto-syncing, but only 1 url
 
@Ferrybig .... Woah, nice
So yeah we should really have one file to rule them all
 
that's a new one
 
editing
 
12:12 PM
@Kyll The only problem is that the remote feature doesn't download directly from github because strict mime type is enabled
 
@Ferrybig I actually have a bunch of issues with SO not being fully HTTPS
Right now I loaded the chat in HTTPS but the favicon is gone
 
And the remote features required JSONP format instead of the plain format
 
It's good that you edited it out in any case.
 
@Tunaki "Linked punctuation in answer" has been added to smokey 10 minutes ago
 
12:15 PM
I mean, it's certainly unwelcomed and useless so I removed it but I'm not sure it warrants a spam flag
@Ferrybig Talk about effective development then
Gratz on that feature
Will it be added for single letter links too?
 
What?
 
Okay, spam
 
@Tunaki I do not agree with f, the answer is plagiarised
 
Plagiarized is Smokey business?
 
This user is plagiarizing content and adding hidden links in punctuation
Nuke!
 
12:19 PM
The trailing period is a hidden link
 
Wait wait. But we can remove the link. Isn't the answer legit?
 
Hmm, I would say both abusive and spam.
 
I think so yeah. That user is plagiarizing content only to add a link to a Twitter page. This is an extremely fishy and unacceptable behaviour
 
I think the following: The answer in its original form was plagiarize + link to own account = spam, but the current version without the spammy link is only a custom mod flag worth
 
But that's up to a moderator to handle
Not Smokey.
 
12:21 PM
Smokey doesn't handle anything, we are
 
don't edit spam
 
@JanDvorak Yeah, my bad, I didn't check the profile
I think only posting stolen content with an added hidden link warrants a spam flag very well
 
It was manually reported it had a spam link in it so I flagged it after some study (not considering that it was plag.)
 
Still alive. I spam-flagged and commented to describe my mistake.
 
@Kyll Gone now
 
12:25 PM
We are going to see a lot of those if this was implemented just now :)
 
Great then!
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 mins ago, by Marshmallow
I really don't have time now, but if someone searches SEDE for >.</a> there will probably be more.
Its clearly a fishy attempt to link (spam) to something.
 
@Ferrybig For the record, should the user be always blacklisted as well in cases like the above (plagiarized content + hidden spammy link)?
 
@PetterFriberg that qyery doesn't run to completion
 
how to handle this? beside NAA stackoverflow.com/a/36516689/559745
 
12:32 PM
If you think his future posts will also use this technique, I think it should be true because his next posts will likely be spam too
 
@Floern plain NAA I think.
 
@PetterFriberg lot's of false positives: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/469092
 
12:44 PM
^punctuated link again
 
found it with the SEDE query
 
@rene Hmm false positive, I wonder if its really a real question or he just tries to give a link to his site, probably mod flag worth (its deleted now)
 
that link was edited out by another user and then explicitly added again by OP stackoverflow.com/posts/35451411/revisions
 
@PetterFriberg he does say on his profile that he's IT manager there
 
@Floern nice catch
 
12:47 PM
Ok, before we flag: this one: stackoverflow.com/q/23336140/578411
 
so he hides link in question to it... I honestly does not like it, its not correct behavior.
 
@rene that a false positive
 
hmm, again, both users deleted (I wonder hwy??), the link seems legit but I does not say anything about mouse...
 
I can't check, code project is down for me
 
maybe spam for code project?
 
12:50 PM
Why make the link so obscure as this one when it's a valid target for the question? If it's truly relevant and not-spam, you want people to click it innit? I'd say you only make a punctuacted link if you want it there for spam purposes.
 
well, there can be a case that op messed up..
 
Note it is also a second edit, it wasn't there in the first revision
 
@rene OP there explicitly states not wanting javascript, though the answer does use it. Is the answer NAA in that case?
 
@Adriaan No, technically incorrect or wrong are not a valid reasons for the NAA flag.
 
12:54 PM
@Tunaki o, thanks
 
Its clearly away that people use to link to their own stuff (hidden which is worse), so I would consider it spam, youo only need to evaluate if it was a mistake my new OP, when he tried to add the link
 
If it's really spam, the rest of the post would probably be plagiared from somewhere.
A spammer isn't going to write down a real answer.
 
Hmm, I do not know if I agree, you mean that I'm free to add hidden links in my answers.
 
it's misusing the position of your answer. You write an honest answer and use it as well to spam your own blog/site. So not directly spam as the true spam posts (Weight loss in 10 minutes (...) etc), but still unwarranted advertisement for their own website
 
Its not fair behavior, against rule 1 of SO and a hidden attempt to spam, for me red flag (or abusive or spam, you choose)
 
1:00 PM
thoughts on this . link: stackoverflow.com/a/23181691/578411
 
I wouldn't red-flag if the answer seems legit and not plagiarized. A comment and custom moderator flag would be more appropriate IMO.
 
Tushar passed a audit!
 
Isn't it smart to make a meta post with all posts containing plagiarism + hidden link
If moderators sees us deleting a large number of questions with upvotes, and they miss the hidden links, then they may suspect something
 
@rene answer's on a rec question; link is purely to their own tumblr page. I don't think it brings anything to the site
 
@Ferrybig Yeah I agree
 
1:02 PM
@rene hmm. Very shady.
 
@rene I found that ^ also. Spam.
 
thoughts on this . link: stackoverflow.com/a/23857696/578411
 
: ), the query is finding lot of stuff....
 
@rene The dot is on-topic and links to a subdomain called "issue" of the main site he has linked. I vote for keeping the answer
 
@Tushar Thats the same answer as Rene said?
 
Looks like it from user profile
 
@rene The main link is dead, the other point to a university which matches the username. Waybackmachine web.archive.org/web/20140523110139/http://flowplayer.org/tools/… says 404 also.
 
Ah. yes. I didn't actually read that.
 
huh
still not sure about the last one
 
1:11 PM
The last was is triggered because @rene has edited the post
seems false to me
 
Still, the links are in Arabic, not useful. Should be removed(ofc by editing)?
 
Yeah close the question and delete the answer (otherwise mod flag),
 
@Tunaki Yes that was over the top. I am sorry Program
 
wait...
 
@Drew Thanks
 
1:13 PM
way over the top
 
@SmokeDetector link = "www.uodiyala.edu.iq/", username = "university of diyala" Spam?
 
@Ferrybig That's what I said
 
yeah the link point to this university
 
I see a delete vote on it
Spam flag/Delete?
 
@Tunaki Why did you f that?
 
1:15 PM
I spam-flagged it because the author didn't disclose his affliation
 
@PetterFriberg I f this one stackoverflow.com/a/11247853/1743880 because I don't think it's spam. It's a recommentation question.
 
@Tunaki The same link in the user profile too
 
On second look.
 
aah sorry, I believed it was always same answer
 
It may be spam as well.
thoughts about this one? stackoverflow.com/a/11247853/1743880 Links are shady.
 
1:17 PM
I like the "punctation is a link" reason, they require you to play "detective" to find the real post instead of robo flagging
 
@Tunaki However it probably should have been n
 
But we really should make a meta post for the remaing links we find from the SEDE query
 
10 flags to marshal!
 
 
What could one do, Drew?
 
1:21 PM
@Adriaan Use the Blaze website from CharCoal, it shows the new answers and marks the ones yellow that fail certain conditions. Great for NAA flags
 
@Kyll I don't know what the metric is for a Q ban
but we can't just go and upvote stuff
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/36517132/… non-useful duplicate, self answered with a simple variable declaration
 
1:45 PM
@Gimby Studying it some more the correct close reason probably should have been unclear, its "resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers" by himself but he is actually also doing some really strange code that is very unclear why? (Launching swing windows on server, to keep it alive, maah). Thanks for the heads up.
@undo There has been some action on the punctuation links, after long discussion probably some answers have been nuked. DOn't know if @Ferrybig is about to post a meta.
 
@PetterFriberg Punctuation links?
 
Yeah check above SEDE for >.</a>
 
Ohhh. Ick
 
@Undo this is a . punctuation link. this is a [.](http://test.com) punctuation link
 
@Adriaan Come on, use example.com =p
 
1:57 PM
I don't know about a system-level block, but this is definitely something Smokey can catch
 
Spam seed?
 
Might not be sp-- oh, it's gone
And the question too
 
Might have been Undone
 
Smokey can catch that, but can mods handling our flags?
 
1:58 PM
Oh, same author. Yeah, spam.
 
both gone
 
@JanDvorak We can use an auto-comment
 
@JanDvorak Might be worth a custom flag
 
not with this amount
 
Or a comment on the post, that works too
 
1:59 PM
This answer contains a link hidden in punctuation and is spam.
 
plus, custom flags don't auto-nuke
 
@Undo Yeah the discussion have been about what is correct action, (spam/abusive) or custom mod flag.
 
If we see spam (like this morning) done with punctuation-hidden links we should remember to post an auto-comment explaining why we're flagging
 
Spam + comment should work
 
^ yes because it's not obvious at all
 
2:00 PM
I open every spam flag anyway, never dismiss those from the queue
 
Might be worth adding guidance for somewhere. Pin a message?
 
Smokey wiki? :p
 
It's a new thing so it might be worth a pin for a while, to alert regulars
 
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye! (nagato v2 docker)
 
2:03 PM
@gunr2171 You killed her, you murder
 
: )
closey is updating, back up soon
 
Some new nice math rules : )
 
Hello everyone! (nagato v2 docker)
 
@Closey status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version 4c52c9c8 on master, running for 20 seconds (tracking latency 1000ms).
 
2:05 PM
@undo can you look into this issue please chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/108702
 
@Closey hi o/
 
This post contains a hidden link in punctuation. It is spam and should be flagged as such! - done. Should I PR that on the main repo?
 
Some of the commands have been changed, for the record
 
@Closey commands
 
@Adriaan Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
approve request [#] - Approves a pending permission request.
commands - Shows this list.
current tag - Get the tag that has the most amount of manageable close queue items from the SEDE query.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
my audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
 
@Drew Huh, doesn't seem like the question ban should have kicked in there
 
@Clo my audit stats
 
@Tunaki You've completed 49 audits:
 | Tag Name      | %     | Count |
 |-------------------------------|
 | c++           | 12.24 | 6     |
 | java          | 10.2  | 5     |
 | r             | 10.2  | 5     |
 | c#            | 8.16  | 4     |
 | php           | 8.16  | 4     |
 | python        | 8.16  | 4     |
 | ios           | 6.12  | 3     |
 | javascript    | 6.12  | 3     |
 | ruby-on-rails | 6.12  | 3     |
 | android       | 4.08  | 2     |
 | arrays        | 4.08  | 2     |
 | haskell       | 4.08  | 2     |
 | c             | 2.04  | 1     |
 
@Clo my stats
 
@Tunaki You've reviewed 0 posts today.
 
2:07 PM
what a slacker
 
@closey group stats
 
@PetterFriberg Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean status?
 
@Undo I don't know what you know. My head is in a different place
 
@Kyll go ahead
 
@closey my audit stats
 
2:07 PM
@Ferrybig You've completed 27 audits:
 | Tag Name           | %     | Count |
 |------------------------------------|
 | c++                | 25.93 | 7     |
 | java               | 22.22 | 6     |
 | php                | 7.41  | 2     |
 | android            | 3.7   | 1     |
 | c                  | 3.7   | 1     |
 | c#                 | 3.7   | 1     |
 | erlang             | 3.7   | 1     |
 | html               | 3.7   | 1     |
 | ios                | 3.7   | 1     |
 | javascript         | 3.7   | 1     |
 | python             | 3.7   | 1     |
 
@Drew When the head is not on top of the body, there's usually a problem, yes.
 
I can't help him. I can't go around just up voting stuff
 
@Closey my stats
 
@Tushar You've reviewed 0 posts today. The time between your first and last review today was 2 hours and 7 seconds, averaging to a review every 2 minutes and 11 seconds.
 
I also have This is spam. Flag it as spam by ***clicking the "flag" link***! DO NOT [VOTE TO CLOSE](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/295725/4174897) this question!. Should I PR this one?
 
2:09 PM
Zero
 
@Closey room stats
 
@PetterFriberg I don't have enough data to produce those stats.
 
@Kyll Might want to remove the uppercase. Flag it as spam by ***clicking the "flag" link*** instead of [voting to close](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/295725/4174897) this question!
 
@Tunaki Mh yeah
I place my "SPAM" auto-comments at the very top of the spam list. Should those be on top or rather at the bottom in the repo?
 
I would say top: faster to reach. I do the same.
 
2:15 PM
Let's go for that then
 
We should attach a auto-build process to the repo that converts it to jsonp, so we can easily update our lists with new comments
 
@Ferrybig I agree, I was thinking that very same thing sooner
 
Why not use CORS?
 
Because we didn't write the auto comments extension, and it only provides auto updates from a jsonp url
 
I'm not a doctor, but "loop o' phobia" might be a thing: stackoverflow.com/questions/36517700/…
 
2:19 PM
@Rizier123 it's called mainly used in MATLAB, as that's faster in vectorised way than looped ;)
 
Or we need to convert the auto review comments to a userscript, and hope we don't hit any licences
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW o/
 
afk
 
Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW has started reviewing!
 
Sam
@Tushar it's a side effect of rebooting the bot.
 
I thought that, but it does have the time
 
2:31 PM
@CindyMeister I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Sam
@Tushar Yeah, the data is semi-cached. The info needed for review/audit count is lost on reboot, whereas times are saved.
 
Cindy Meister passed an audit!
 
2:50 PM
@Sam you broke her! You'll need to answer to that!
 
Sam
@Tunaki Meh, same old bug
 
Not Meh! Closey is a sensitive girl!!
 
3:08 PM
sd f on it that's an image link
 
in Room for mesqueeb and Drew, 1 min ago, by Drew
dont judge your worth from feedback
 
@Tunaki Who nuked that?
 
It wasn't nuked. It's still here stackoverflow.com/q/36518588/1743880
 
user3956566
@Drew I'm prepared to review the java, from your java summary
 
more important how is Gabriel
 
user3956566
3:17 PM
improved, but still not good, thanks for asking
 
user3956566
the swift batch is done
 
frankly i am more concerned about Gabriel than any of this mess
 
user3956566
he is still in hospital in the intensive care department for his condition, but is due to be transferred out of there to a less intensive ward, which is good.
 
user3956566
And me too, which is why I'm haven't been here
 
user3956566
3:19 PM
btw the ios batch is also done
 
That's good new indeed @MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW :) How are you holding up?
 
^ that
 
user3956566
I'm ok. Bit serious. We also had terrible news about my father this week. Life is stranger than fiction, that is for sure..
 
user3956566
I was offered work and am stuffing up big time, trying to get my connection with MSServer to work, of all things
 
so Gabe is going to be OK
I said my first prayer in a year
 
user3956566
3:23 PM
we don't know how he is going to be long term
 
user3956566
thank you! I have been praying again also, it's all we have. I think they help
 
user3956566
It went from "maybe" the worst possible diagnosis, to "maybe" the second worst
 
user3956566
it's a silent awake nightmare ttytt
 
it is going to be ok
 
user3956566
thank you
 
3:26 PM
feel free to rant and stuff
 
user3956566
:) I already have. Will get kicked. I'm calm now and in control, but don't have energy. Only if I have time will I come to SO
 
user3956566
all parents understand what I'm going through, our kids are more important than we are to ourselves.
 
look. you are going thru a lot of shit
 
user3956566
Dad has emphysema :'(
 
is your child in harm? We want to know what you are going thru
 
user3956566
3:29 PM
I read a good book, Man's Search for Meaning Victor Frankl, about how he found meaning even when in a concentration camp for years, that has put things into perspective
 
is Tiny Homeless, we want to know his struggle
 
user3956566
is tiny still homeless? :(
 
idk but we care about people
 
user3956566
yes
 
user3956566
I think people here do.
 
3:31 PM
I am more concerned about gabriel than some stupid link to an OT question
 
user3956566
yes me too
 
Because he is a human. His plight tears us apart
 
user3956566
yes. this doesn't exist at the end of the day.
 
there is a 14 year old kid laying in a hospital bed, and we are worrying about dumb SO Q;s
 
user3956566
oh Gabriel is nearly 22, Claude is 16, Sophia is 14
 
user3956566
3:36 PM
he's still my baby. more so now
 
user3956566
I'll go now bye
 
user3956566
thanks for your kind words @Drew
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW trust me we think about you all the time
we have children
 
user3956566
any prayers are welcomed and valued
 
I lost a daughter it was rough
 
user3956566
3:42 PM
omg
 
user3956566
I'm so sorry, and I know that can't even help
 
user3956566
what was her name?
 
family pulled through it
it was a rough ride
I have 2 boys. I am grateful of that
 
user3956566
yes
 
world is full of pain can't focus on that
 
user3956566
3:48 PM
have to accept it
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW you have to deal with talking to people about struggles
We are here.
 
4:07 PM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW can we craft a plan cuz we need you
 
I know that this is off-site, but is it anything else?
 
Sam
@Signal wat
 
The question
 
Sam
Ok, I finally understood what he meant (kinda) after the third read.
 
Ah sorry.
 
Sam
4:20 PM
np
Some people may class it also as unclear.
So: tool req, unclear, su(?).
(Needs one more cv btw.)
 
@Tunaki we failed bad cuz we lack suppott
you tag is a mess
 
Sam
@Drew ?
 
java is a huge gigantic mess, I'll grant you that
 
we need 10 guys new to do it
where are they quizzaclly coming from Sam
 
Sam
The trash?
 
4:29 PM
I want a mod
 
<whistles silently>
 
Here's one ----------> %
 
well then do more than Undo
 
<stops whistling>
Do what?
 
4:33 PM
@TheLostMind are you ready to handle 300 questions
or will you get bored after 10
 
Honestly. No.. 300 is too much.. And mods shouldn't go on a closing spree. I will see what I can do
 
nevermind then you dont care
 
Where are the questions?.
 
@ryanyuyu I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
ryanyuyu passed a audit!
 
Anyways.. @Drew - If you feel like showing me the questions list, you know where to find me.
afk
 
Sam
4:42 PM
cya
 
@TheLostMind can you do the the python batch
 
Truly duplicate questions by two separate users: question1 question2
But they are both bad
 
@Drew - Umm.. I can write a simple print statement in python.. So, I cant. Sorry
 
How should I flag? Should I flag? Neither has an answer, so I can't close as duplicate.
 
@TheLostMind so you wont close and help us dozens
 
4:51 PM
Java, probably yes. Python, I won't. I don't think anyone should close anything they don't understand
 
@Drew That's really not how it works.
We have the close status locked behind 5 votes for a reason
 
@Tuna / RO I just PR'ed on the auto-comments repo, mind checking? If it's all good we're set to deal with punctuated spam
 
Mods are not shortcuts for that.
 
Plop Madara!
 
@Kyll hOi
 
4:52 PM
I dont even write python guys those are crap questions
 
@Madara o/
 
@MadaraUchiha i disagree
 
@Drew Again, the language/expertise is irrelevant. Mods are not batch close shortcuts.
 
@Kyll Will look at that, in an unspecified amount of time in the future.
 
@Tunaki In 6-8 amounts I bet
 
4:53 PM
something like that
 
@ryanyuyu - Good find.. :)
 
Sam
@Kyll Sure
 
ty
 
@MadaraUchiha we are spent
 
@Drew I am aware
 
4:54 PM
@TheLostMind yeah. At first I though I was not paying attention because I saw both questions soon after each other.
 
Hey, I still got some blood flowing. Okay, it's not mine, but still!
 
However, the solution is likely to be more systematic than a few trained monkeys with diamonds batch closing questions all day.
 
we crafted people from this room ... do your duty
 
Away for lunch. I might be back later. Or I might be lazy.
 
@Drew I did not understand that sentence.
 
4:56 PM
close shit got that sentence
 
Sam
@ryanyuyu Lazy all the things.
 
@Drew No need to be rude.
 
Sam
@Kyll Merged.
 
Nice
 
Barh, CodeReview is taking so much time to write good answers. But I like it :)
 
4:59 PM
I am not apologizing
 

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