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8:01 PM
@Tuna enjoying the batch reports today
 
This is a very nice feature indeed :D
 
@Tunaki Those aren't spam. Please don't report those; they tell Smokey to blacklist the user as a known spammer.
 
@Doorknob冰 Really? Looked quite spammy to me.
 
@SmokeDetector THAT is not spam, but I think the others were
 
@Doorknob冰 At least 4 answers were the same and linking to the same library. Why do you think it's not spam?
 
8:03 PM
@Kyll The user clearly isn't a spammer (see their post history)
 
@MsYvette That's not spam (maybe a spam seed, but we don't flag those)
 
@Doorknob冰 So what?
 
seed
 
The posts were spam
 
@Doorknob冰 Their last 5 answers were about the same product, done in the same way. All of them smelled like spam
 
8:03 PM
Just looks like a regular user who's discovered a new library.
 
user4639281
My last five answers were about JavaScript, that's a product. My last question was also about Javascript.
 
user3956566
@KevinBrown well with 4-5 answers all the same, I figured it was a set up, within the time frame etc
 
Agree with Kevin, it seems that (for answers at least) all the posts are doing is promoting a product
 
Maybe they got hacked, I don't know and I don't really care. Posting the same content about a product many times without disclosing affiliation is spam, be it from a 1 rep or a 10k
 
@TinyGiant But they were not copy-paste with the exact same screenshot over a span of 2 days
 
@Kyll Not if you're not affiliated with it
 
@Kyll Is it their own product?
^^
 
user4639281
^^ skip one
 
Lots of users will find a thing and proceed to post near-dupe answers based on search query results
which isn't spam
 
user4639281
You gotta have some kind of something that shows they are affiliated.
 
user4639281
8:05 PM
That's just dupe-spotting.
 
How can I know? If I (the Spearrel) were to suddenly write a bunch of copy/pasted posts to promote a plugin, library, kitten orphanage, or crème de jouvence, it'd be spam, be I affiliated or not
 
how about a hunch
 
user177800
@cybermonkey looks good to me, commence closing
 
Sidenote: Wow, this room is way more active than it was when I first saw it. :P
 
Indeed
 
8:06 PM
@Kyll agree, especially with crême de jouvence
 
user4639281
inorite?
 
user3956566
From all the posts, it would appear the OP was working on this product much of their time on SO
 
user4639281
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. What'd we break now?
 
user3956566
@Kyll not if it were about nuts my dear
 
@Tunaki Knew it'd get you
 
8:07 PM
well could be innocent. put something together then wants to share it
 
@MsYvette Well yeah that'd be obvious, and also offensive.
 
I'm going to connect some dots, but if someone is advertising a paid extension with a single sale (suggesting it's brand new) in multiple answers, it sets off my spam alarms
 
user4639281
Oh noez, the tavern has words in it. That's a tragedy. :P
 
user3956566
@Kyll erm, you're a spearrel, you eat them.. how can that be offensive :)
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. You'll never get us alive!
 
8:08 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Hi, I'm a room owner here. Can I ask what you are talking about? Why have you come into our room shouting at one of the members here?
 
user3956566
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. what did he dooooooooooooooo?
 
@gunr2171 The batch reports
 
line crossed
 
Maybe the batch reporting stuff is too much?
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 let's get the intruder...*where are my pitchforks*
 
8:09 PM
4 messages moved to Trash
 
@gunr2171 The one of stupidity, not of offensiveness
 
user4639281
@MsYvette The intruder hath been got.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant excellent Mr burns style
 
Hehe sorry guys. Never know I should be politically not in all-caps.
Sorry @gun
 
user3956566
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. too late you're our prisoner and you cannot leave bahahaha
 
user4639281
8:10 PM
For everyone's reference, this room is not the tavern. While things may be allowed in the tavern, we expect a certain level of professionalism.
3
 
user177800
out of votes guys/gals see you tomorrow ...
 
@MsYvette Rule #1 of molecules: You can't trap molecules.
Unless you use an addictive chatroom.
 
@Kyll I want a kitten
one that is well behaved
 
Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. moved to Trash
 
user3956566
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. haha and that is where you are trapped (it's really quite addicitve)
 
8:11 PM
@Kyll Thanks I need that.
 
user3956566
@Drew then don't get one like Kitler
 
@Kyll oh ha ha </sarcasm>
 
@MsYvette But I haz no close vote privileges on SO.
 
user3956566
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. ah you really are a chemist..
 
then go forward and answer some dupes
 
8:12 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I didn't neither before all the harassment
 
user3956566
van der waals forces and all that
 
Woah 4.2k on chemistry
 
@MsYvette Haha were they that scary?
 
user3956566
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. nope I did well in chem. I think of it a lot
 
Argh and with a high score in organic chemistry. I hated the stuff at high school.
 
8:13 PM
Then heaven is your place.
@Kyll I actually am better in physical chem.
 
user177800
@Kyll agreed they are just spamming to drive traffic, even if the answer is just marginally relevant. copy-paste-answers indicate a duplicate, which none of these are, just spam answers
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. What is that? I'm not a native speaker so I may miss some obvious stuff
 
user3956566
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. so why do we have a chemist here?
 
@Kyll physical chemistry.
@MsYvette It all started once upon a time when . . .
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I understood the abbreviation, not the underlying meaning =p
. . . We spammed the tavern!
 
user3956566
8:15 PM
@Kyll ah
 
user3956566
so they send one lone chemist into the den...
 
@Kyll Well, it seems you're not a native speaker of chemistry.
Hmm, still I wonder, what this physical chem is.
 
Erm, did I mention I'm actually an engineer in physics and chemistry? I did that in my previous days before switching to programming.
 
^ ok, I think we are getting a bit off topic
 
@Tunaki Saw the light heh?
 
8:18 PM
True dat :D
 
@Tunaki Shakes hands
> To be an effective member of this room you'll need access to the review queues and you’ll need to have some experience on Stack Overflow. Ideally 3k reputation, but 1k will do. That assumes you know the core of the site and assumes you have enough experience in (self)moderation.
Er, I moderately know of moderation in SE, but not in SO, and I have 1/10th the rep requirement. Can I still hang?
 
You've got 4k in another SE site, that covers that requirement. As long as you understand what the moderation tools do, even if you can't use it, you're fine
but we do talk about the specific Stack Overflow post culture, so there might be a few things you're not familiar with
fp?
 
@gunr2171 Many.
 
^ Was it deleted?
 
I'm on it
 
8:22 PM
self deleted
 
Blame the cat then
 
@NathanOliver it's already gone :P
 
oh, it was an answer. I thought it was on the question.
 
@Kyll Yeah, when SE doesn't make you jump into the answer, it's deleted.
 
It was deleted by owner and vandalized
I rolled it back. Even if it's deleted, defaced posts should be rolled back.
 
8:23 PM
@Tunaki maybe a good idea to make a mod aware so they can undelete it & revert it back?
 
@10k can you still search for a user's deleted posts?
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. No you can't
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. No. Only your own now
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. just your own
 
@cybermonkey If it's happening a lot.
 
8:24 PM
afk
 
ah, @cimmanon join us!
 
@cybermonkey 10K+ can edit deleted questions.
 
@cimmanon I know, but there seems to be a recent unsolved bug (?).
 
join us what?
 
Here in the Trash. There's already @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. over there
 
8:25 PM
why are you in the trash?
 
@cimmanon here. In other words, hi
 
@Tunaki I didn't join voluntarily.
 
@gunr2171 i am already here :p
 
AIWS, there is a recent bug that Nick hasn't fixed yet, maybe, prolly, potentially.
So you do a user:1234567890 and a deleted:1 and voila. All deleted posts you can see and search for.
 
8:28 PM
> Note: only content you own is returned when searching for deleted content
Looks like it doesn't work anymore
 
I just tried and it only shows my deleted post
 
nope, sure doesnt
 
Dunno.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Dec 23 at 11:55, by Shadow Wizard
I wonder if Nick is leaving the bug around on purpose, to see if we'll abuse it or not, then if not making it a feature.
Still no mod tools on chem, so I can't test myself.
Sheesh, I should do some asking and answering.
 
ya think
 
good luck finding a question to ask that hasnt been answered before :p
 
8:29 PM
Not on SO.
 
user4639281
See you guys in a bit
 
OK, on a quest to understand SO culture, (I sometimes read meta though) I noticed some answers that wouldn't be acceptable for a million years on other SEs remain untouched here, or sometimes even upvoted. So how do you guys differentiate between a link-only answer and an answer that contains a link?
 
are we talking about old questions are new questions?
 
Link-only is restricted to answers where without the link, the answer is useless.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. "is the core of the content of the post the link?" If the hyperlink can be removed and the post still remains usable, it's not link-only
 
8:34 PM
@cimmanon Huh?
But usable is subjective.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Link-only answers that are older than, say, 2/3 years are left as-is. Rather, the question is closed if it is appropriate
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. have you seen this post? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/…
 
There's too much link-only as of today that you can't deal with those two years past
 
@gunr2171 Mhm, 43 times.
The problem is deciding in practice is not as easy as "apples".
Anyway, I don't have a specific example in my mind right now, so it's useless to chase our tail this way.
 
If I see one and you're around I'll bring it up
 
8:38 PM
I'm usually around, if I remember to come back to this chat.
Just ping me will ya?
 
yup, will do
 
(づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ
 
if you see an answer that basically summarizes and links to another answer on SO, those should be cleaned up. those are almost always a sign that the question should be closed as a dupe
(though sometimes its just a link with no summary)
 
Yep.
BTW, what do you(pl) think of this?
Sorry, I'm really used to oneboxing
 
My personal view is that we need more people in the CV queue, rather than more votes to the people already there
 
8:48 PM
how about close votes scaling with close vote history
either way, not happening
 
well, , so 6-8 years
 
*centuries
@Drew Encourages robo-reviewing.
 
that is what we do
 
Not for a living.
 
@Closey next 3 tags
 
8:52 PM
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@NathanOliver The next 3 tags are: 92, 52, 37
 
@NathanOliver I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@gunr2171 I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
oh, surprise audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[image]"
 
gunr passed a audit!
Nathan passed a audit!
 
that delay...
 
OK that's what I need to get used to.
There are no audits on chem or ELL where I review stuff.
 
8:59 PM
we get audits every 20-30 reviews
 
We should get audits on ELL, but I'm afraid it would be an unpopular opinion in ELL's meta currently.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Why?
 
ELL? (what does that stand for?)
 
@gunr2171 English Language Learners.
 
9:01 PM
ah, ok. thanks
 
I'm also passionate about language when I act maturely. :)
@Tunaki Well . . .
Let's just say it that it's the first meta I've observed that's anti-moderation.
 
back
 
Maybe they're not used to being spammed all over
 
In a two-months effort, I'm starting to persuade them to remove [tag:grammar].
 
On SO, it seems that the higher rep you are, the more you want moderation on the site
 
9:03 PM
Rightfully so.
My job is way easier on meta.chem.
 
well, sometimes that gets violent
 
gunr passed a audit!
 
silly c++, you don't belong with a .net tag!
 
Yeah those to together birthed C++/CLI
 
9:06 PM
what's next? Assembly .net?
 
lol. Haskell .Net
 
Java .net
 
Guys is there something like this on meta.SO?
 
Not that I have seen.
 
I thought I saw something on either MSO or MSE about that trick, still looking
meh, can't find it
 
9:11 PM
gives up and goes back to kitten memes
 
you mean the close vote queue
 
Well, by definition it wouldn't be the same post. Sometimes learners — no matter what they're learning — are stubborn and ignorant. I think that happens a lot regarding editing on SO.
 
if that's what you call it now ;)
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. you. have. no. idea
 
Tries to find idea
 
9:13 PM
gives up and goes back to kitten memes
 
I see what you did there...
 
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/… – Their titles just shout at me what I'm expecting to read. I find nothing new. :(
 
Later guys
 
\o
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [.net]"
@Closey next 4 tags
 
9:16 PM
@gunr2171 The next 4 tags are: 92, 52, 37, 35
 
@gunr2171 You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 23 minutes, averaging to a review every 36 seconds.
 
This is awesome. I wish I got something like this in October on chem.
 
On Stack Overflow, the CV queue is a big swamp. I've been wading through it for 2 years now.
 
@gunr2171 One reason the biggest SE I participate in is meta.
TeX is one nice community though. Maybe a bit too nice.
 
For me, I'm terrible at convincing people through text, so I leave meta to other people
 
9:25 PM
Feels like when you get thirsty after eating lots of chocolate.
 
tags need some help there
 
The whole Q needs some help.
 
you handle it @gunr2171 ?
 
@rene going to close as too broad, unless maybe the OP answers my comment and adds some required info
also OP fixed title
 
K, I need to sublimate. Cya later guys, and sorry for the initial mini-drama.
 
9:31 PM
bye @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.
 
no problem, cya!
 
Nice use of chem words.
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.
@ShadowWizard People on SOCVR disagreed.
Who? ^
 
Hello to you too o/
 
Hello World!
 
9:38 PM
Disagreed about what?
 
we disagree even with ourselves
 
Bug that let any 10k user see all posts, including deleted posts, of any other user.
@Drew oh wow, so lots of icecream here!
 
@ShadowWizard Ah yes, at least I disagree on that :D
 
are we supposed to try to exploit a bug or something. What we doin
 
9:40 PM
@ShadowWizard I don't think the Tavern and this room have to be aligned
 
Exploit? Can't see anything bad in this
 
ok try. How about the word try
 
@ShadowWizard I see, I tested with deleted:1 not deleted:all
 
@Tunaki yup, that 1 is fixed.
Anyway, now that you're all convinced, will let you continue your work. Cya!
 
I disagree with myself now. We made @Drew's point
 
9:42 PM
@Sam Awww. Love you too, @Pham.
 
@ShadowWizard didn't users get suspended if they kept exploiting a bug?
 
user4639281
Boo!
 
Sam
Zoo!
 
user4639281
Foo!
 
Sam
Bar!
 
user4639281
9:49 PM
Baz!
 
Sam
Fiz!
 
Buz!
 
user4639281
Hello!
 
Bap!
 
9:50 PM
speaking of trains, it's time for me to leave for today
and no, nothing about what I need to do has anything to do with trains
 
Is this an answer? Doesn't look like it.
 
user4639281
Speaking of things we weren't speaking of...
 
@Tunaki I can understand why you would be confused of it being a comment, not my tech so I won't judge
 
@gunr2171 Yes, not my tech also, hence the question :)
 
user4639281
@Tunaki It doesn't really look like an answer, but it isn't really not an answer either... that makes sense right?
 
9:53 PM
@TinyGiant if (a || !a) ... else print("Err, not sure, try again")
 
Let me send out this warning to anyone exploiting bugs that are not fixed yet: Users can get suspended for doing that. If you choose to do so, you do it at your own risk.
 
This post is awfully close to being commentary on another answer, rather than it's own stand-alone post. If you've got additional information to add to an answer, that's fine. But just commenting on a post is what comments are for. — gunr2171 7 secs ago
 
user4639281
Sounds about right.
 
ok, and now i'm out
 
cya
 
9:55 PM
bye!
 
user4639281
bye!
 
Sam
bye!
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Closey next tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Tunaki The next 5 tags are: 92, 52, 37, 35, 35
 
Sam
10:04 PM
... right, let's see if I can fix some bugs with Closey V2.
 
rene passed a audit!
 
Pham didn't notice I started reviewing. Hmm...
 
Sam
Are you reg'd?
@Pham add user 1743880
 
@Sam Ok, I added Tunaki (1743880) to the tracked users list.
 
Sam
Apparently not.
 
10:06 PM
Hmm, how can I run reg'd commands?
 
Sam
audit stats?
completed tags?
@Pham commands
 
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
    commands - Shows this list.
    help - Prints info about this software.
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running.
    status - Tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it.

Registered
    audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
    completed tags [min <#>] - Shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
 
Sam
Take your pick.
 
user4639281
@Pham audit stats
 
@TinyGiant Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
 | Tag Name   | %     | Count |
 |----------------------------|
 | python     | 20.83 | 5     |
 | c++        | 12.50 | 3     |
 | javascript | 12.50 | 3     |
 | php        | 8.33  | 2     |
 | delphi     | 8.33  | 2     |
 | android    | 8.33  | 2     |
 | c          | 8.33  | 2     |
 | swift      | 8.33  | 2     |
 | scala      | 8.33  | 2     |
 | java       | 4.17  | 1     |
 
10:07 PM
I just ran next tags above
 
Sam
@Tunaki That was Closey.
Not Pham
 
Aaah
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
\o/
 
Sam
\o/
Things are still a little experimental, so don't be surprised if things don't work (or if you find new features).
 
10:11 PM
It didn't catch that there were no reviews for the image tag, normal?
 
Sam
Ik
Tag tracking is disabled for now
 
And that I passed an audit
 
Sam
<default-excuse>That's because it's in beta.</default-excuse>
 
Or that I passed another audit and finished reviewing :D
 
Sam
@Pham alive
 
10:21 PM
@Sam Still here you guys!
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. says sorry here.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki A: You're a bug.
 
Sam
@Pham die
 
@Sam Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean alive?
 
@KevinBrown is gone
 
Sam
10:23 PM
LOL
@Pham stop bot
 
@Sam I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
Hey everyone! (SOCVR chatbot started, linux v2 test!)
 
user4639281
Hi!!!!!
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
uhuhu
I was in the middle of it ...
 
Sam
Oh, sorry.
Well, not really.
 
10:29 PM
rene passed a audit!
rene passed a audit!
@rene You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 32 minutes, averaging to a review every 49 seconds.
 
I just had a post come up in the LQPRQ: here - does "Where can I find sample code for similar operation" make this question off-topic, or is it okay because that's only a part of the question?
 
Sam
Night all
 
@WaiHaLee That is OK (it is an audit)
 
@rene thanks, I appreciate that.
 
np, yw
 
10:43 PM
@rene - fairy nuff - thanks. It smelt like an audit to me (I opened the link to the question, saw it had 12 upvotes, and assumed it was an audit).
 
@Drew Is the repetitiveness what sets you off or the link to github? It is borderline spam, right?
 
hold on I will cut and paste a quote
 
OK
 
Somehow, spammy links to GitHub feel more wrong than just spammy links to wherever.
 
@Drew I'm holding on to everything I can grab
 
10:50 PM
quote: "Please don't post identical answers to multiple questions. Post one good answer, then vote/flag to close the other questions as duplicates. If the question is not a duplicate, tailor your answers to the question." - I believe from Jos (mod) then a delete
 
my tail ><
 
combo of spam and repeat / non-tailor
 
user4639281
There's a difference between spam and dupe-spotting.
 
@Drew and Jos was OK with using a spam flag on it?
 
ah they all point to the same code base url. Should I look again at all 4 ?
 
user4639281
10:51 PM
@rene No, he said to use a custom flag.
 
Anyone has this `Rep farmer - Duplicate posts" auto-comment somewhere? It got lost in translation.
 
user4639281
@Drew You have to have evidence that the user is associated with the product.
 
My lawyers are on the phone
 
@TinyGiant What, why? Since when is that a requirement?
 
The affiliation is not clear in this case I think
 
user4639281
10:53 PM
Someone goes telling people to use jQuery, are they automatically a spammer?
 
user4639281
Not unless it is a jQuery dev.
 
If they do post "use jQuery (link to jQuery)" only on multiple posts, then yes, it's spam. Be them a jQuery dev or not.
 
deleted by mod
 
user4639281
@Drew That doesn't make it spam. Posting duplicate answers is not allowed, but it isn't inherently spam.
 
it doesnt make it not
 
user4639281
10:55 PM
Even posting duplicate link only answers is not spam. Its only spam if the user is affiliated with it and does not disclose that.
 
they were all deleted. Even the ones I didnt flag
 
@Drew I think the comment is fine, asking us to look at it is also fine , I'm not to sure if for this case the Smokey report was warranted but you have the mods on your side, so you're free to go now...
 
is ASP.NET still relevant? (looking at job postings)
 
user4639281
ooo burn
 
Is .NET still relevant?
 
10:57 PM
@Tunaki As much as Java, I guess
 
user4639281
You know that most of Stack is programmed on .NET right?
 
@TinyGiant Wordpress is written in PHP, and Wordpress is huge too
 
but php is useless!
 
user4639281
@Kyll Yeah, but I never said Wordpress was a good thing.
 
how can this be..
 
10:59 PM
@TinyGiant I understand what you mean but that argument doesn't hold. How do you prove that a poster is affiliated with a product? Unless you have some data on their profile or a written contract, you can't. It's a legal matter that's not to be solved by us as a community. Most of the crap detected by Smokey doesn't show any affiliation. If a user posts multiple times the same text promoting a product or service, whatever it may be (library, crème de jouvence, tutorial, ...), then it is spam.
 

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