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12:03 AM
@durron597 Done... OOPS. Used up all of today's downvotes now. @#$*&)(#@
 
12:51 AM
 
1:07 AM
update: We're >90% done. The last 47 open questions are waiting for close votes in the review queue. Just need 1 downvote, period. There are three questions aging and needing close votes, and there will be 38 more as the queued questions close. The rest of the work is up to the roomba!
 
1:33 AM
@Closey status
 
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 3 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes and 58 seconds.
 
1:57 AM
@Closey starting
 
@LynnCrumbling Don't get lost in the queue!
 
@Mogsdad I'll take a swipe at it.
 
2:18 AM
passed java audit
This answer needs to be downvoted for roomba to delete: stackoverflow.com/questions/21727457/…
@TinyGiant cv'd.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:35 AM
If anyone is still here, all the remaining questions have close votes on them
 
 
2 hours later…
6:04 AM
@TinyGiant I was just contemplating nuking the comments on the metapost you just commented on :p
 
user4639281
6:21 AM
@JonClements Which one?
 
The guy that posted in regards to receive offensive remarks
 
user4639281
Oh don't feed the trolls? Go ahead if you feel it's necessary, I'm not attached to my comment
 
Oh... no before that... it was just going all over the place - anyway, I've already done it
 
user4639281
Oh my first comment.
 
No nothing to do with you - the whole lot after the first 3/4 were just not needed
 
user4639281
6:24 AM
Yeah
 
user4639281
The whole thing could be summed up by "Shit happens. Flag, move on and Don't Feed The Trolls!"
 
Since it's on the hot meta list, were going wonky and likely to attract more off-topic/specifics/slinging, I just cleared 'em up
 
user4639281
Cool cool.
 
user4639281
Did you ever take a look at those two synonym requests I posted an answer on?
 
user4639281
I haven't checked yet
 
6:26 AM
Probably not... so many balls in the air, and some of them more break when they hit the floor rather than bounce, so I'm more focused on those :)
 
user4639281
Sounds good.
 
user4639281
"How do we educate people on how this site works?" To be honest, I wouldn't waste my time on trying to educate these people. They should only be kicked/banned and then be forgotten. Everything else is just wasted effort and time. And we need that time to help other people who appreciate it. — Tom 39 secs ago
 
user4639281
Got one already :)
 
Bah... I'll look again in a bit - moved onto other stuff now...
 
user4639281
Lol
 
user4639281
6:30 AM
Well, I'm tired. Heading to bed, have a good night :)
 
rest well
 
user4639281
You too :)
 
6:49 AM
maybe an upvote as well
could the SmokeDetector remove comments which are no longer pertinent? if a question was deleted, the chat message about it could be removed from the chat session
that would still leave a lot of (removed) comments but at least save us from clicking on stuff which has already been dealt with
 
 
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10:06 AM
 
10:19 AM
Seems we are having a new installment of "Attack of the incompetent spammers".
 
Yam
Yam v2 started (debug).
 
 
1 hour later…
11:51 AM
Good morning
 
@NathanOliver Mornin'
 
Sam
Afternoon
 
@SmokeDetector ignore- edited
 
12:35 PM
Sweet just got a necromancer badge.
 
@Closey end session
 
@LynnCrumbling I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
1:08 PM
@Mogsdad You would think he would know better.
@durron597 You now have a new privilege to go after.
 
1:28 PM
@NathanOliver There's been a raging debate for a long time about whether spreadsheet formulae are on-topic. On one hand, formulas meet the definition of a programming language. On the other hand, they are accessible to non-programmers. I'm taking a third view... where is the OP likely to get help? Fact is, there are hundreds of similar questions here, and some people use that as their justification to add another one. The broken window effect.
 
@Mogsdad Is formatting considered a formula?
 
@NathanOliver Nope. But a formula will be the only way they'll accomplish what they're asking.
@NathanOliver Here's my (least) favorite formatting question. It's about nothing but USING a program, but is the highest-voted question. It previously had a tag on it as well. Somebody feels so strongly that conditional formatting is programming that they have created a specific tag for it. Garbage.
 
The When to use Node.js question is still closed, after ~ 1 week. We might be safe.
 
@TylerH ^_^/
^^^^ Close that, no mcve
 
@SmokeDetector ignore- edited and closed
 
1:38 PM
Has a suggestion for notifying changes in downvoted/flagged/VTCed questions to users who have acted upon them ever be posted on Meta?
 
@Kyll surely
 
I thnk so
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Q: Allow an edit to notify downvoters: "I think I've fixed the issue now - please check"

Jon SkeetTo me, a downvote usually indicates a problem with an answer. When I downvote it's to mark the answer as having a problem, not the person. If the answer is fixed, I want to remove that downvote - but it's tricky to keep track of all the questions I've looked at over the last few hours. I don't a...

 
@NathanOliver Yay, thanks!
 
User currently on a editing spree, removing basic tags from a bunch of questions:
I mean tag
 
@NathanOliver Nice!
 
1:41 PM
I don't know BASIC, can someone check on him?
 
@Mogsdad ty
 
@approxiblue I don't see a meta question about burninating it.
 
21 hours ago, by durron597
Jon Ericson: Omg look, durron597 finally got 20k. Time to launch a new privilege!!
 
@approxiblue He's filling the edit queue with tag edits, must stop him!
 
@NathanOliver already upvoted.
 
1:43 PM
@approxiblue Most edits are crap, solely changing the tag even if there are other issues with the post. Mod-flag?
 
I've messaged him... hopefully he'll drop in.
In the mean time, we can go reject all the tag edits.
 
@approxiblue AFAIK BASIC and Visual Basic are two different things. VB is derived from BASIC but I don't think it could be considered BASIC
 
@NathanOliver According to the tag definition for , it could be. IMO, the problem here isn't that the tag edits are wrong, per se, but that they are (a) wholesale (b) without community input and (c) filling edit queues.
 
@Mogsdad Agreed. there should be a meta post with consensus for this wholesale removal.
 
Shouldn't an edit also try to fix all issues with a post?
 
1:49 PM
@durron597 Only one left now. needs 3 more votes.
 
@Mogsdad Apparently he is busy making more edits
 
@Mogsdad Please make an MSO post about it.
And or mod flag
preferably the former
 
@durron597 I'm making the post.
 
@Mogsdad well, some look like they are good edits
at least, the tag doesn't belong on these posts
 
I'm also crawling through the edits, rejecting those which need to be, skipping over the ones I'm not sure about
 
1:53 PM
oh actually, it might belong en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice_Basic
 
@Mogsdad Just noticed what's going on... the user has a temporary suggested edit ban while you write that post
(which I'm sure will be a duplicate of another post)
anyway... massively busy, bbiab
 
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Q: Low-rep user making wholesale tag edits

MogsdadAs in Found someone making large number of tag edits... This user is making wholesale tag edits, removing basic. All those edits are going for review, due to their rep. There is no meta post discussing this wholesale activity. Can a mod step in a stop them?

@JonClements Post is up.
 
@Mogsdad thanks
 
@Mogsdad Have you notified the user?
 
@approxiblue Good catch!
 
1:57 PM
@Mogsdad I knew about you inviting him to chat. What about the meta post?
 
Look up.
Ah, you mean, did I point him at the meta post? No.
 
Yes.
 
I added to a post he edited
@rasteve your mass edits on purging BASIC is being discussed here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/305569/…NathanOliver 19 secs ago
 
@NathanOliver Perfect.
 
I'll see if I can find a moment in a bit to clean those up - save others wasting review votes
 
1:59 PM
@JonClements The edits aren't necessarily bad.
@JonClements But "that's not how it works".
 
Some definitely need more work than just tag removal
 
@JonClements Yep. As with the last time we saw this, it appears to be a user trying to edit their way up to 2k.
 
@JonClements Yeeeeep.
Oh, that's the one @NathanOliver commented on
 
@Mogsdad perhaps, but it's best to assume good faith in an attempt (albeit perhaps misguided) to do what's right
 
He has responded to the meta post
I'm hardly new, but yes I am the one removing BASIC tag for questions regarding VBA, VB.NET and VB6. There are a number of questions using the BASIC tag with no votes/views because they had the wrong tag. — rasteve 1 min ago
 
2:02 PM
Unanimously approved
 
@Kyll I cried a little when I saw it was approved.
 
@JonClements stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/9434972 needs another reject.
 
@NathanOliver You can remove it now
 
Done
@JonClements Did you by chance invalidate some of the users edits? I thought I saw he had a couple days where he rep capped from edits but now his rep page does not show that.
 
@Kyll - Nice! To make a point on a meta post about tag-only edits, you did this! Gutsy move...
 
2:10 PM
@Mogsdad After intense rep bullying I am now able to make tag-only edits without bloating the queue
 
@Kyll hehe - Irony is my second favourite form of humour.
 
@Kyll Now all you need to do is gain 684 more rep so you can start close voting.
 
dirty british english
 
@Mogsdad It's my first.
@NathanOliver Yes, I know. Are you also joining the bullying now?
 
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A: Low-rep user making wholesale tag edits

durron597This was going to be a comment so I could ping @rasteve but it got too long so I made it into an answer. The word you here refers to @rasteve, not @Mogsdad Large scale edits like this one should always be discussed in meta first; if it's determined that you (or anyone interested in making large ...

 
2:12 PM
@Kyll I guess I should feel flattered, then. (Sarcasm is my first...)
 
@Kyll No that was just a one off. I'll leave the re bullying and to @durron597.
 
I'm actually losing rep these days with all the downvotes
And after cleaning up some old answers I found unsatisfying I lost my bronze tag badge
 
@Kyll Believe it or not, I was considering bountying you some rep because I think you deserve it (and I want you to have 3k). But now I need it for the stupid new privilege lol
 
2:16 PM
@durron597 Believe it or not I refrained from bountying @TinyGiant (twice) because I knew I'd get flamed so hard (and I need the damn 3k)
What the hell? 502 on SO? Is SO down? DDG says no.
 
must.. refrain.. from.. bounty.. until.. over.. 10k
 
@Kyll they go down sometimes
they're moving servers back to NY these days I think
 
@Kyll You could consider answering some decent questions that aren't tagged
 
@durron597 I try to, but I have a hard time finding decent ones
 
2:21 PM
Hey, wow! All questions are closed! Nothing to downvote! Just close votes later this week, and let the Roomba do its thing.
 
@Mogsdad yep :)
 
BRB asking a question
 
I didn't intend to make wholesale changes just obvious problems with questions I came across. I have been making amendments to spellings/layouts where I see them, and downvoting bad questions. I think you guys hit the panic button too early! — rasteve 7 mins ago
"I don't care"
 
That's not an "I don't care" response
It's an "I disagree" response
 
"Panic early, panic often" is my MO.
 
2:28 PM
 
^^^^^ Who the hell upvotes such questions?
 
@Siguza I'm going to guess "the friend".
 
@Siguza Dunno, found it with @durron597's query
 
@durron @kyll @Mogsdad The only three answers keeping closed questions without accepted answers from the roomba in [source]: 1 2 3
 
2:34 PM
@Mogsdad Hm, makes sense...
 
@Deduplicator #2 boomed, I already voted on #3.
 
With done for the day, I feel a lack of purpose. I guess I'll pay attention to my paid work for a while...
 
@Deduplicator #1 #3 done
 
good. updating the post
 
So... Is it ?
 
2:39 PM
@Mogsdad You could rep farm
 
> You might be surprised at the support you get - but I won't be.
Puts sunglasses on. Starts motorbike and rides to the setting sun.
 
@durron597 Left him a note to read up on limits to self-promotion.
Please see Limits for self-promotion in answers. You are hard on the border to being spam-flagged... — Deduplicator 1 min ago
@Kyll Only waiting, watching, and throwing some delete-votes left. Nearly.
 
3:01 PM
> Andr&#233;s Mac&#237;as
 
3:11 PM
@JonClements That "Last One" question is nuts
 
3:47 PM
@Mogsdad It's obvious from the comments who the editor is. That ship has sailed
Besides, you are the OP, and I'm not talking about you.
 
@Kyll Not until the no longer exists. Which should be September 17th.
@durron597 Sigh. I am such an idiot.
 
Re-entered the room to star that
Also to say that the upcoming documentation feature/site needs to go live like yesterday
 
@durron597 Ended up answering two bounties which were actually cool questions
 
4:03 PM
@Kyll nice, I hope you get one or both of them.
 
-2
Q: Workflow for closing bounty questions

apaul34208The workflow for closing questions that have active bounties is a little cumbersome... I understand that these questions need moderator intervention to handle the bounty portion, but it seems like it would be a little easier to allow closevotes and flags as normal and then automagically convert ...

 
@SmokeDetector I still don't get why people bother doing that kind of stuff
 
Just linking to your own library or tutorial is not a good answer. Linking to it, explaining why it solves the problem, providing code on how to do so and disclaiming that you wrote it makes for a better answer. See: **[What signifies “Good” self promotion?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/182212/200235)**
Added.
 
4:30 PM
 
@Kyll I agree
 
@Kyll already voted on 8/26
 
@NathanOliver Yes, I did link it here a while ago. It keeps popping up in my feed and I am surprised it is not closed already
AFK taking apart laptop
 
... somehow I don't have privs here :P
Anyway, ignore that
 
@Undo easily fixed by someone with pull request privileges ;)
 
4:40 PM
too much work :P
 
@Undo while I've got your attention, I've been !!/reporting answers that are not in English. Correct?
 
@durron597 Won't hurt anything
And it gets more eyes on them. I'd say that's okay
Theoretically that can mess up the bayesian filter, but... it's not like we're using it anyway.
 
@Undo I haven't been reporting most sorts of NAA, but non english answers aren't "spam" per se.
 
@Undo It won't mess up that filter because the answer body isn't registered there.
 
@ProgramFOX Oh, right.
Smokey has gotten big enough that I can't keep it all in my head :P
Wait, I should have privs here.
Weird
!!/lick
ah, so it was a timeframe thing. Okay.
 
4:48 PM
!!/tea
 
@durron597 brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @durron597
 
@durron597 I would say no as You can accept an answer without awarding a bounty to it. from stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/set-bounties. So they liked your answer but not enough to reward the full bounty.
 
@NathanOliver Or they just went awol and forgot.
 
user4639281
@durron597 The search you gave kyll is good for finding upvoted bad questions.
 
@TinyGiant haha
 
Could be. I just don't think it will work as the bounty award is in the hands of the bounty placer and if they don't fell you should get the full award that is their prerogative. Its just like the accepted check mark.
 
5:14 PM
@NathanOliver I agree (honestly I already knew that) and am just annoyed
because I pinged him with two days to go saying "does this answer work? do you need anything more?" and he ignored.
 
user4639281
@durron597 Unfortunately, there is not a damn thing you can or even should be able to do about it.
 
@TinyGiant I agree, it's just annoying
 
user4639281
Yes, it is.
 
user4639281
Without users the internet would be so much more fair.
 
I feel you. I just answered my first bounty question last week and today the bounty ends. I think I have 1 more vote since the bounty started then the other answer so we shall see what happens.
 
user4639281
5:16 PM
@NathanOliver Don't fell me please.
 
user4639281
I'm not a tree
 
@TinyGiant are you sure?
 
@tripleee Privileged people can send a command to delete it, but due to chat limitations, messages can only be deleted within 2 minutes after posting.
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver You know.... I am a Tiny Giant...
 
user4639281
@ProgramFOX I thought it was 60 seconds
 
5:17 PM
@TinyGiant nope, it's actually 2 minutes
 
user4639281
Cool, good to know.
 
@TinyGiant Don't worry... He's a lumberjack, but he's OK.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Lol
 
@tin This isn't you?
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver Caught me, damn.
 
5:21 PM
Does the auto award for bounties happen after the 24 hour grace period?
 
@NathanOliver He said he's not a tree, he didn't say he's not an Ent.
 
@NathanOliver I would say so
 
@NathanOliver yes
 
@durron597 po-tah-toes - po-tay-toes ;)
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver puh-tay-tah puh-tah-tah*
 
5:29 PM
@TinyGiant I thought it didn't look right. I guess I am still recovering from that nice long weekend.
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver Oh yeah, you party it up?
 
Of course. 3 day weekend.
 
user4639281
Lol, wish I could party.
 
user4639281
Last time I partied there I ate a half ounce of mushrooms.
 
user4639281
That was fun.
 
5:33 PM
Never done those.
Lately I have just been enjoying single malt scotch.
@LetDoit There is a thing out there called google that has a lot of information. If you googled cout traling zeros you would get stackoverflow.com/questions/17341870/…NathanOliver 1 min ago
 
nice
 
in The Whiteboard on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Sep 3 at 2:42, by durron597
room topic changed to The Whiteboard: General Discussion for http://programmers.stackexchange.com Pants optional when telecommuting. [coffee-day] [facedesk] [horror-stories] [monads] [my-code-is-compiling] [parsing-errors] [scotch] [the-other-monitor]
@rene @gunr2171 What do you think about adding the tags we're actively cleaning up to the room topic tags?
 
@ProgramFOX Okay, thanks for clarifying
 
5:57 PM
So, anybody get serial downvoted?
 
today?
 
Yeah... after @Mogsdad said about being 90% done, I took went down through the queue...
got nailed.. 3 questions in a row.
 
Well since it was 3 votes if it was serial it should get reversed.
 
@NathanOliver shh don't tell the secrets
also the detection rate on 3 votes is not 100%
 
Yeah.. I know > 2 triggers it... sometimes.
Clearly they knew that too ;)
 
6:06 PM
@NathanOliver i wouldnt hold my breath on that. i had someone come along and downvote my top 3 selected answers and it didnt get reversed
 
@cimmanon recently?
 
Yeah it is not 100%. I had it happen to me and it was reversed but it is not guaranteed.
 
i dunno, 6 months ago? i flagged a mod just in case
 
user4639281
But, you can get away with up to five if you spread it throughout the day and you vote on other stuff in between.
 
i had the same thing happen on UX.SE and it got reversed
 
6:07 PM
^ it depends on the user doing it; if they vote elsewhere in between, if they wait, etc.
 
@cimmanon I did that previously too; the response was, 'oh, well, the reversal should catch it; if not, it's just a few rep.'
Hah.. these downvotes are 3 seconds apart.
nice.
 
user4639281
That will most likely be caught
 
It's across questions and answers though.
 
user4639281
roughly 3 in 5 minutes from the same user will be caught.
 
Even both types?
 
6:10 PM
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Q: Make three "No Action Needed" required to remove something from First Posts and Late answers

durron597So I've recently learned my lesson about "No Action Needed" in the First Posts and Late answers queue. This has been discussed to death: So I failed this review audit Failed and banned for user who answered the question correctly? Looking for guidance on using "No Action Needed" in the first po...

 
@LynnCrumbling yeah
 
I don't think types matter
 
it cross checks on both the voter and the votee
 
it should just be same user and time between votes and number of votes.
 
if $user1 DVs >= 3 within 5 minutes, and >=3 DVs belong to $user2 then kill $user1 with miley cyrus songs
 
6:13 PM
@durron597 I like that idea
 
Actually that would be torture, technically
and unfortunately illegal
 
@rene Honestly "No Action Needed" should really just be an alias for "Skip" but when people realize it's not upping their review count they'll start blindly upvoting again.
 
@durron597 I responded to something waaaaaay back in the transcript...
 
@rene ah dammit lol
 
@TylerH SO just needs to add that torture is acceptable in the terms of use. No one reads those anyway.
 
6:16 PM
the tags as room title thing
 
Well what are we working on now? Besides
Are we working on the scraping tags?
Or the third party tags?
 
I might
 
user4639281
As always, the massive onslaught of drivel in
 
@TylerH And that was my last CV.
 
I am honored
 
6:19 PM
@durron597 If we really want one that will take a while
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Q: Followup to "Blacklist the [microsoft] and [apple] tags"

NathanOliverThis is a followup to Blacklist the [microsoft] and [apple] tags. The request was asked back in 2013 and not only does microsoft and apple still exist but they are still getting questions using them. The info for both of these tags says to not use them but people are still posting to them. Is ...

 
did anyone checked this 10K-er in just over 2 months...
 
user4639281
@rene Lol
 
got 404 rep in one day.
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver Rep not found?
 
6:24 PM
gotta love bounties
 
page 2 halfway down
 
user4639281
I never get bounties.
 
Anand S Kumar regularly gets over 400 rep per day without bounties.
 
well got to go work on a robot. be back in a bit.
 
user4639281
I also don't answer bounty questions regularly.
 
6:25 PM
Lots of +25 / +35 in really basic python questions.
 
Question for the SEDE masters here: Is there any way to access older data dumps than the one currently available on SEDE or internet archive? I'm trying to look at the number of pending tag synonym requests through time, but I don't think I can view tag synonym suggestions that used to exist but were eventually rejected.
 
@josilber Deleted stuff is not in SEDE.
Or even the direct API.
 
@durron597 So basically no hope?
 
You can ask on Meta for staff to do the search for you, but you have to be pretty convincing.
@josilber Example
 
@durron597 mm ok. I suppose this could have been solved by somebody storing multiple data dumps through time, right?
 
6:27 PM
@durron597 JS is even worse, practically all highly voted questions are very basic stuff
 
user4639281
I believe there was an unofficial archive of the deleted stuff somewhere.
 
@TinyGiant Only deleted questions worth looking at.
Not deleted pending synonym requests.
 
user4639281
Only posts though so wouldn't help with synonyms
 
@TinyGiant OK, cool. Thanks all!
 
user4639281
@rene I was just about to whore out the room before you did.
 
6:30 PM
sorry
 
user4639281
lol
 
you room pimps, you
 
user4639281
Gotta advertize for others to recognize.
 
too bad it's prognosticate and not prognosticize, you could've totally rhymed
 
user4639281
\o/
 
6:34 PM
"You better recognize before we ostracize"
no that just sounds nerdy
 
user4639281
Lolz
 
user4639281
You better abdicate before we abnegate...
 
user4639281
Whatever that means
 
give up your claim before we reject your claim
 
user4639281
Yeah that
 
user4639281
6:43 PM
I guess that would apply if your claim was that you have contributed greatly to the community when you have (possibly, this is not backed up by fact, merely inference) really contributed to answering a large number of bad questions.
 
user4639281
I can't see how you could answer 457 answers in two months and the majority of them be high quality unless you did nothing else.
 
user4639281
Well... that's approximately 8 answers per day, so I guess it's not that hard. But still I doubt you could have any semblance of a life being that you would have to be constantly searching for questions worth answering.
 
@TinyGiant I had 164 answers since Aug 1, I think they were high quality.
 
user4639281
That's still less.
 
Some of them were to crappy questions, that is valid
I also did a ton of moderation activity in that period.
 
6:47 PM
@TinyGiant it's probably just a lack of external life
 
If I forewent going to the gym and playing video games I could spend a loooot more time in SO answering questions/moderating
 
@TylerH I've played almost no video games in the last month and a half, that is true.
 
user4639281
Even then, I know that durron answered a whole bunch of questions in that time that probably should have been closed. So without answering crap questions, especially in the tags he is most active in, I don't see it.
 
I think contributing to SO is a better use of my time than GTAV
 
user4639281
6:49 PM
@durron597 Nothing is a better use of your time than killing hoes and stealing cars.
 
@TinyGiant So why are you in this chatroom again?
 
user4639281
I don't have a game system
 
user4639281
God damn telemarketers
 
user4639281
Don't feed the trolls
 
user4639281
6:55 PM
"I don't F*&!ing want better rates! I don't even want to know if I can possibly have better rates! I have absolutely no interest in anything that your company could ever possibly have to offer, please don't ever call again!" .... two days later.
 
The sheer amount of your contributions in such a short time is rather impressive. Chatrooms can certainly help make you more discerning, to put it politely, but they also risk severely decreasing your answer proliferation. — TylerH 28 mins ago
What's that? Whining?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad More gentle shoving.
 

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