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A: How to express branch in Rebol PARSE dialect?

sqlabdata: { `id` int(10) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, `name` varchar(10) DEFAULT '' COMMENT 'the name', `content` text COMMENT 'something', } nodata: charset { ()'} dat: complement nodata collect [ parse/all data [ some [ thru {`} copy field to {`} (keep...

 
 
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4:05 AM
@Henrik thanks. Just patched the server and bounced it and was hoping my startup scripts all work.
 
4:49 AM
@rebolek You do have to admit that you would probably not feel like replying to a message from someone you did not know on a forum that opened like yours...
 
5:01 AM
And my answer is still my answer
2 days ago, by OMGtechy
well put it this way, if by the time I've finished this program (I will see it through out of stubbornness) it doesn't get any better, I can't see myself using it again :/
...note OMGtechy's remark above. If Red/Rebol usability isn't tuned, that kind of reaction will keep happening. I think there's a lot of usability in it, but without being willing to look hard the issues that turn people off will not be fixed in time for them to see the good bits.
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5:44 AM
I don't mind the argument of not changing for the sake of change. That's fine.
I don't like the attitude of "don't change, don't test". There are no sacred cows here, the languages simply do not have the penetration yet
 
5:58 AM
@iceflow19 Thanks. Do you have any questions? I know the documentation isn't very much (yet)...
 
6:08 AM
@rebolek Not currently, I'm still just experimenting around with it. I'm considering integrating webpages built with Lest into my current project.
 
6:22 AM
@iceflow19 That would be wonderful. I could add some success stories to Lest homepage :)
 
6:38 AM
(It could have not gone this way, if I'd been sincerely talked to and engaged instead of the button pushing. As it stands, the button pushing was just an aggravation on top of the already existent conversational block.)
Basically, throwing fuel on a fire I guess.
Nobody likes being taken for granted, and then getting whacked for the special bonus round...
"why am I helping you, again?"
Anyone got Shadwolf's contact info? We could make... an ICMP protocol and play violin or something. Whatever it was he was obsessed with. :-/
Anyway, like I said, I actually wanted red to take responsibility for that video management anyway. This is the meaner way to say "do it."
Kick me off your Trello, block me off your group... I'll be damned if I'm going to do two updates to your French subtitles in the previous days.
I mean, I did do the updates
But apparently I shouldn't operate under good faith.
So, nevermind that.
 
7:07 AM
@HostileFork can only speculate as to the 'whys' of their choice (and don't really wish to anyhow), I do fear that it's thrown your focus more than a little. Don't think it's worth that...
 
@rgchris Yes, defocusing, I guess the "why" and "do you really think that's going to help you" is a big part of it.
I mean, I could do nothing, and be quiet.
But if you go to a beehive and whack it and get a bunch of mad bees, that's probably what you were going to get.
Are the bees being polite? No, not at all.
But they were working on honey for a while, you've been okay to take it.
Such nice work, even.
Detailed, correct, planned.
And of course, all discussions with me have to be filtered a bit through the "other issues" that I have, which only asks, if you're aware then...why?!
I guess I just don't get it.
 
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A: How to express branch in Rebol PARSE dialect?

rgchrisI much favour (where possible) building up a grammar with positive terms to match target input—I find it's more literate, precise, flexible and easier to debug. In your snippet above, we can identify five core components: space: use [space][ space: charset "^-^/ " [some space] ] word: u...

 
^-- nice one
 
That's why we do it, right? :)
 
7:22 AM
@rgchris "What do you mean 'we', scottishface?" :-) ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2011/03/29/…
 
Indeed...
(though we could have been using the royal 'we')
 
Wii might have been doing so.
 
7:44 AM
Bot trust:
"Robots get six extra seconds of cooperation."
 
 
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8:56 AM
Testing Red on Intel Edison board: both binaries and toolchain work fine! http://tinyurl.com/moxx7j6 http://tinyurl.com/l7xen49 #edison #IoT
 
 
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12:44 PM
@rgchris I've been kind of leaning toward non-spacing terminal brackets... and noticed you did this in your answer above.
word: use [letter][
    letter: charset [#"a" - #"z" #"A" - #"Z" "_"]
    [some letter]
]
It's a little counter-intuitive, but is Plan -4 compatible. I was sort of trying to start a rationale of why I thought it was better than:
word: use [letter] [
    letter: charset [#"a" - #"z" #"A" - #"Z" "_"]
    [some letter]
]
Most o my argument for why it's better had to do with the "strayness" feeling of that lone [ on the end. It does attract attention, and by attraction it says "LOOK AT ME! UNCLOSED BLOCK!"
But then we tread into a Pythonic issue of whether that story is told better by indentation
"If indentation tells the story, why tell it twice, with a disruptive item?" ... or something.
 
1:07 PM
@Adrian offers a counterexample where the spacing seems non-superfluous:
foo: somefunc [blah] [blah] [
    acme stuff
    more stuff
    even more stuff
]
Would you rather see it as:
foo: somefunc [blah][blah][
    acme stuff
    more stuff
    even more stuff
]
The thing is, by and large, I think you want to space blocks. But there is a contention here which is why Ladislav's "full outer space" caused friction and arguments.
I don't have an answer, just sort of raising the question. Luckily Plan -4 doesn't need to care about this because of the minus four bit.
 
 
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3:20 PM
@HostileFork While I am mindful that blocks are just one more value type (parens make two) and as the argument goes should be subject to the same spacing rules as everything else, they are uniquely key in determining the structure of any body of data or code (also data) affording them this extra bit of consideration (Plan -4).
Allowing them to butt against each other gives the author the ability to imply a connection where the cold logic of separation force apart sections of code that depend on each other. The function spec and body; the this-and-that of the either fork; the while-this-do-that; etc.
Insomuch that ][ is as much a cue of intent as spacing is between other values.
] [ on a line by itself lacks humanity—reflecting a rigid need for order that when pursued to its rational end ultimately works against mind and culture.
Conclusion: vote Plan -4 for a brighter future!
 
 
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6:15 PM
rebol2> shift/logical -306674912 1
 
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
== 1994146192
 
red> shift/logical -306674912 1
 
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
== 1
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
== 1994146192
 
>> shift/logical -306674912 -1
 
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
== 9223372036701438352
 
6:16 PM
How to get == 1994146192 from Rebol 3?
@Brett ^---- This is one for your page of R2/R3 differences...
 
6:34 PM
shift-logical-32: func [value [integer!] bits [integer!]][
    value: to integer! #{00000000FFFFFFFF} and to binary! value
    shift/logical value bits
]
 
6:59 PM
SWITCH should have a /CASE refinement... (#1773)
 
7:53 PM
@HostileFork What's the repository that currently has the most recent/fixed Rebol code?
(aka: if I wanted to start reading code, which place should I be looking at?)
 
 
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9:18 PM
@Freezerburn Atronix's has the most fixes, but it's a slightly different base than rebolsource
 
 
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posted on May 25, 2015 by Gregg Irwin

Since not everyone is on altme, here's the R2 code for my dialected LOOP func. --Gregg REBOL [ file: %new-loop.r author: "Gregg Irwin" purpose: { See what a dialected, general loop function might look like, which gives us a nicer FOR interface, supports general

 

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