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8:49 AM
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A: What are the rules about self-modifying parse rules in Rebol/Red?

sqlabThis works >> rule: ["a" "b" (insert first find rule block! "c" probe rule ) [] "d" "e"] == ["a" "b" (insert first find rule block! "c" probe rule) [] "d" "e"] >> parse "abcde" rule ["a" "b" (insert first find rule block! "c" probe rule) ["c"] "d" "e"] == true and this too >> rule: ["a" "b"...

 
 
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11:51 AM
BTW: What's the backup plan for leaving StackOverflow chat? I always considered it disposable.
I don't consider AltME acceptable. People say good things about Slack... up until that recent... issue.
Slack is a team communication tool founded by Stewart Butterfield. Slack began as an internal tool used by his company Tiny Speck in the development of Glitch, the defunct online game. Slack was launched in August, 2013, and signed up 8000 customers within 24 hours of launch. == Funding == In March 2015, Slack signed a deal with investors to raise up to $160 million in a funding round that values the company at $2.76 billion. New investors include Institutional Venture Partners, Horizons Ventures, Index Ventures and DST Global. In October 2014, the company raised $120 million in venture capital...
We're not concerned about security, really. So that's not an issue.
 
12:11 PM
there was also suggestion to go with Discourse. I think that no decision was done yet in that regard ...
 
@pekr Well, we try to link to http://rebolsource.net/go/chat-faq so we can redirect chat.
I trust @earl more than I trust SO. :-)
 
how is trust in Earl comparable to trusting SO? Earl is human, you know? :-)
 
@pekr I cannot personally verify that.
 
1:07 PM
@gnat Thanks for kicking in on that COBOL thing, I don't know if you follow things I comment on or just came across it... :-)
It's interesting, that I think in general, the overall Rebol culture (with a few exceptions, including me on a bad day) is remarkably friendly and tolerant.
And actually, moderated C++ mailing lists were quite good at one point, I don't know if the people have changed or if SO C++ is just abusive
 
1:51 PM
SE once was, and it's no longer in the hands of competent management. :-/ Jeff Atwood doesn't touch it. Joel is busy with Trello. You have some investors left holding the bag. Reminds me of LiveJournal when Brad Fitzpatrick sold it....
It was only two sales away from being used by the Russians to spy on the LJ users. <sigh>
There's basically Shog9 left. I wonder how long before he quits.
I was sad about LiveJournal. I'm sad about this.
 
2:13 PM
https://github.com/red/red/pull/1084
GitHub
Red Pull Req—FIX: issue #1083 (some input cause console crash)
qtxie
1428048483
 
@rgchris @marki @rgchris @kealist @iarnold etc, is what I'm asking here too much? Vote with your conscience, not just because I said it. If you disagree, downvote me.
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Q: Triage All Feature Requests, give an official position and timeline

HostileForkI grumped at @MartijnPieters about several problems. He said talking to me wouldn't be productive (I think lack of productivity can be a property of more than one party's attitude in a conversation...and I'm getting annoyed at having to mirror all my SO posts due to random deletion risk). But h...

 
2:39 PM
Grumble, grumble. I just get antsy when it seems the developers are more interested in their advantage from mining user content vs. serving the best interests of those who trust them, it's the same issue with Google/Facebook/whoever. SO is better than most, but seems more on the decline than on the rise. I'm still willing to suspend disbelief a bit, but it's just slow going.
The SO advantage is the "out in the open bit", people want their content public, so that's different.
 
2:59 PM
Interestingly, this chat post has 32 stars:
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Dec 17 '14 at 12:33, by Mooseman is eating pizza
This guy is the Hero of Stack Overflow.
 
:-)
 
@pekr 32 is kind of a large number on the meta
I always do say, in general though, you should do what you think is right and not what the momentary circumstances feed back to you about.
 
@HostileFork Marketing droids never tire of that (old as mirrors) trick. They think it is worth retweeting every time they see it.
 
@MarkI Well, if there are spambots trying to create fake accounts with chat ability to star a post saying I'm a hero, all I can tell you is I didn't write them.
First I'd heard of it.
I heard of it when, frustrated with SO admin, I cited the "alien credo" and asked about "take me to your leader" and where to direct people in terms of management
And the first responder sent me my profile
And the second citing a past post in which I had been declared a hero or such
And then I discussed a post, and responses indicated awareness that I had been in the right about a recent fight.
 
3:14 PM
Mostly because they hate all surprises except surprise fluffs, so they freak out every time: "Hmmm ... who's claiming to be better than me ... cool, no-one! Finally, something I agree with! Gotta re-tweet that!".
 
Why re-tweet my profile 32 times? Hum. Well least of my oddities in consideration. Just interesting.
 
@HostileFork The post is not saying you're a hero. You might not have completely "gotten it" yet, unless I am missing something.
Hint: It's a trick.
 
@MarkI Feel free to share your insight, I like insight, especially w.r.t. irregularities.
 
@HostileFork The link text is "/users/current". So it's you, and me, and everyone else who clicks on it.
 
@MarkI Ah, well then thanks for the information.
It redirects.
I've seen similar things, actually, there was a Flash system that did a thing where it would actually use pics from Facebook spliced into posters
@MarkI I don't always have time to debug such things. I just mark them as odd and file them.
Like "odd, file that."
 
3:19 PM
@HostileFork You don't promise yourself to look at them again within a month? :)
 
@MarkI You'd be surprised how large the list is.
Unlike some people, I read all my spam email.
That one is one I think is worth taking a look at.
 
3:32 PM
@HostileFork Surely, you jest. And sorry for calling you Surely.
 
@MarkI "That's Clarence Oveur. Over." But no, I think "what's wrong with this picture" and "this is not advertising" and "(almost) no one has 6 fingers" is an attention point, also the color and black and white mix... featured elsewhere if you bother to look. But only if you care about what might lie outside the margin.
 
3:59 PM
@HostileFork Really? The hand holding the pill is making the "perfect" sign, yet you can consider the possibility that it's not advertising?
 
@MarkI You liked to take a simple hack and explain it, when I was not really bothering to debug it, so how about a real hack.
If I write a virus, and its goal is to penetrate a system and take information and send it back, do I have the virus email me directly?
 
@HostileFork I'm feeling dumb now ... a picture is a hack?
 
And put that one, unique, email address in the virus code?
Or... do I create something that spreads and spawns, and then I create a few random accounts that dip a cup in the ocean and look for the signature I want.
Fabricate several accounts, make them post innocuous info with enough details (doesn't have to be an email address, just anything you can derive an email address from)
Have your scanner that's trying to "phone home" pick those up
If you pick up the signature for what you're looking for, decode the image.
Put some funny in it, either because you're funny or wish to just generally win favor with other hackers if you're caught.
I don't know how purposeful the AC/DC thing was, other than "we doubt they'd play it voluntarily". It may have been an "in your face" but there might have been a tactical element.
 
4:22 PM
OK, maybe I'm seeing part of what you're saying, the picture is too "good" or "funny" to actually be what it is trying to appear to be.
 
4:43 PM
BrianD, just a quick note on your loop dialect. What about AT-EACH instead of STEP as a name?
On SO, is there a way to find the last message I posted before my current session? i.e., how would I pick up where I left off?
 
4:57 PM
@GreggIrwin It's not necessarily easy to do that if you weren't pinged, but you can do it, 1sec
@GreggIrwin You can hyperlink to your latest message and read from there in the log, by jumping from your last posted message in the recent posts
So hover over your most recent post, a link icon appears on the left, jump to it and read from there.
Unfortunately stock SO doesn't really make this any easier than that AFAIK.
 
Thanks. That takes me to a transcript, so then I need to come back here to post again, correct?
 
5:20 PM
@GreggIrwin Yes, transcript view isn't able to post...
Minor victory after getting in enough arguments:
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A: Why was "Hourglass" deleted?

Shog9This is exactly why we created the Historical Lock: To be clear: most of these are not great examples of questions that should be asked today… But some of them are, quite frankly, brilliant – and losing them entirely just because they aren’t a good fit for our strict Q&A format is wrong. For ...

@GreggIrwin You may remember Hourglass from Dr. Rebmu's presentation. :-) People tried to delete it, but I fought hard enough that it came back.
 
5:38 PM
Wait, @gnat... there is another gnat. Sorry for any confusion. I didn't realize it was such a popular username. :-)
 
6:31 PM
Hello!
I now have a real keyboard, hooked to a real computer: much more comfortable!
 
6:57 PM
@HostileFork Kudos! A significant achievement, and I hope heartening to other seemingly-lost-cause fighters.
 
 
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8:25 PM
@MarkI I went through a lot of trouble to fight a $350 towing ticket in LA traffic court. Let no one tell you it's easy. When I got my refund check my friend told me I should frame it, because no one wins in LA traffic court...ever.
i took a picture. Then I cashed it.
 

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